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Speedy deletion nomination of Minority descrimination on Wikipedia


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January 2021
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Hello, I'm Spiderone. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Wikipedia seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. ''Please see WP:SOAPBOX. Wikipedia is not a place for adding your own personal opinions on a subject, especially if these are not backed up by any independent sources.''  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to assume bad faith when dealing with other editors, as you did at Bain Ligor, you may be blocked from editing. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. StarM 19:52, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Star Mississippi Sorry can you clarify my mistakes. Should I stop discussion on Bain Deletetion Page? I thought it discussion so everyone can put his thought there? I didnt edit any pages only discussing pages. I little bit confused. Makushima (talk) 20:24, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It is the behavior about the subject, regardless of whether it's on the artist's page or in the AfD. It 's still inappropriate conduct toward your fellow editors.      StarM 23:48, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * example? As I remember I didn’t call anyone with bad words. So please provide examples, so I can analize this and avoid in the future. Just saying your cunduct is inappropriate is little bit groundless.

Makushima (talk) 23:55, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Please understand
I am taking the time to approach you and try to help you understand why certain articles are kept here and why others are deleted. Also trying to help you not get banned inadvertently when I know you are doing things in good faith. I would like to help so please take me up on the offer to discuss. -- A Rose Wolf ( Talk ) 15:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

If you want to ban me, it will be prove that I am rights. Obviously it is a final step if you don't have any logical reasons and explanation, just remove people who is not agree with you. It is well-known totalitarian approach used by Hitler and Stalin. I hope you wiki do not go to such low level as their. You can join to discussion on Spider talk page.
 * First, I can't ban anyone. I am not an admin and I really don't ever want to be one as Wikipedia currently is. Bless those that do it. Second, never, ever compare myself or anything I do to Hitler. My family suffered directly from Hitler's Germany and the Nazi Reich. It was irrevocably changed. I would appreciate you not doing that again.
 * Sorry, but when someone approach you saying I will explain what to do in other case you will be banned. It sounds like more: if you are not obey we will ban you. If you meant something different that, than I am sorry. But for me it was looks in that way. Makushima (talk) 09:43, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Third, notability on Wikipedia is not determined by how important a person is to their respective culture.
 * THAT IS THE POINT!!! THIS RULE IS DISCRIMINATING RULE. Makushima (talk) 09:43, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

it is not determined by how many YouTube subscribers you have, Twitter followers or Facebook friends. It is not even determined by how you look or how talented you are at what you do. It is, solely, based on the subject receiving significant coverage in multiple reliable and independent secondary sources, period. There is nothing else to discuss in that regard. We can have a discussion about whether the sources, if she receives significant coverage in them, are reliable or not. We can even discuss whether it is significant coverage or not. The details can be discussed to find a consensus. The consensus, so far, is that she doesn't meet the criteria I just mentioned. We can't go further in discussions if we cant get to that point. -- A Rose Wolf  18:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I proposed you consensus: Change the policy which suppress information about minorities and reduce cultural diversity. Here we do not discuss Bain's article but my article of Minority Discrimination? Obviously, you saying we have policy and you (and me) should follow, I say this is wrong policy - and there is no consensus ```` You didn't convince me (saying just we have policy and that's all) and I didn't convince you, because .... [here you should add something by yourself]. If you see there is no sense to repeat our point of views, hoping that someones change her side ;-) so I agree with you.  Makushima (talk) 09:43, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia and discrimination
I would like to say this. I said bain's article was a case of TOOSOON meaning, she has chances of becoming notable soon enough, once a newspaper takes note of her. But not right now.

Wikipedia recognizes "sources" irrespective of languages. If you have a kalmyk newspaper writing about her, go ahead share it. Or a russian or an english newspaper too. She won a local competition, have patience some reliable newspaper may take note of her and take her interview. That's usually enough.

If you need help finding sources, try catching someone here https://xal.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%B3_%D0%BA%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BD

Thats the kalmyk wikipedia with articles exclusively in that language. It may help you find people to help you. Daiyusha (talk) 17:24, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

User:Makushima/Minority descrimination on Wikipedia
I have moved your essay to userspace as it is not ready for mainspace. Please feel free to edit it in its current location and take it through AfC before moving it back. Thank you      StarM 17:52, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your help. Sorry I didn't know about such option.


 * You're very welcome. I or other editors are happy to help, although I"m not as familiar with AfC as others.      StarM 14:11, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you. Woodroar (talk) 15:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Your comments are getting offensive.
Look, I get that you like Bain Ligor and you want her to have an article on the English Wikipedia and think that it's somehow her right to have an article. That is all OK. I also get that you think everyone who is against the article is prejudiced against Kalmyks. That is less OK but it is your right to judge others however you want to. When you compare removing an article to the Holocaust, however, your comments go way over the line. WP:CIVIL is a policy, one that users can and do get blocked for violating. Even aside from that, your frequent comparisons of this nature are not merely offensive but also counter-productive. Every time you make this loaded and, frankly, ludicrous, comparison you lose whatever little influence and credibility you have left in the discussion. Read WP:BLUDGEON and WP:DEADHORSE and maybe those will help you understand that your position is getting less and less likely to be implemented. Again, not having an article on English Wikipedia is in no conceivable way, shape, or form comparable to genocide. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:32, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * u|Eggishorn I didn't compare removing article with Genocide. The base for Holocaust was idea that one nationality is better than other. And I compared this idea with Wiki Policy, which says that if nationality is small it is not noticible to mention about it culture (in general terms). So please dont say that compare act of killing millions of people with removing the article. It is not true.

If you feel offended that your policy are going in the same direction as ideas of Nazi Germany, than maybe you should change them? Until it becomes worse... And you alredy second person who mention ban or blocking to me... sound like, if you are not obey we will remove you. Does it reminds you something from German history too?

Refactoring on the Bain Ligor AfD
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Morbidthoughts (talk) 04:22, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Bain Ligor
Hello, Makushima,

If you continue to argue with each editor on this AFD discussion and throw around personal attacks, you will be blocked from editing this page. You are editing in a disruptive way, inserting your comments in the midst of other editors' remarks and not indenting your comments. Your comments are becoming repetitive and I think you've shared your opinion enough. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 06:50, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * u|Liz I thought it is discussion page, where anyone can put you thoughts, isn’t it. I didn’t see any restriction on amount of answers on discussion page. As I wrote it is not vote page it is discussion page. I bring my arguments to other people. If someone writes, I don’t see official sources, I highlight to him that there is official sources so he/she can check them. The comments looks repetitive, because several people say the same thing, so to help them and answer to their arguments I put the same information. Sorry about editing, I thought Wiki is smart enough to format text, if I insert comment after sentence which a answering. So it will looks more like discussion. But the technology is not ideal. Here I agree that I made small mess. But I didn't through personal attacks to anyone, so please dont say like this. It is Not true and offensive. 5.173.242.254 (talk) 07:31, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * No personal attacks? How about when you flat out implied I was a Nazi just above? I think that counts as a personal attack. Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 15:34, 30 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I noted this at ANI following my warnings up the page, but I think we're long past due for a partial block. Matsushima has weighed in enough to have a !vote, and it's time to allow that discussion to close in peace.      StarM 16:41, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

January 2021
It seems one editor(Phil Bridger) has found some sources in Russian for bain. Try including those sources in the article. I think the article might get deleted for now. but you may create a more neutral draft with those sources. It may get accepted. As I've said multiple times, Russian articles are okay as well( and so are kalmyk articles) Daiyusha (talk) 18:15, 30 January 2021 (UTC)