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April 2019
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Speedy deletion nomination of Pannadi


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Pannadi
I am putting up reference for it,it will be helpful if u could help me out with page Mamallarnarashimavarman (talk) 04:10, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Anja divisions


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Speedy deletion nomination of Atha divisions


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Speedy deletion nomination of Amma divisions


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Speedy deletion nomination of Amma divisions


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Recent speedy deletion nominations
Please stop placing speedy deletion tags on articles, as you do not appear to understand the criteria. If you wish to nominate an article for deletion then the correct forum is WP:Articles for Deletion. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:33, 1 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Chozhia Vellalar Pages like this have contents without references so what should be done? Mamallarnarashimavarman (talk) 06:47, 1 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Chozhia Vellalar already has three tags for needing sources (the little superscript "citation needed" notes), which you can add by typing after the sentence/paragraph that is not properly sourced, like this. You can also add  at the top of an article, if the article generally needs improved referencing, and  for a single section. If you look at Template:More citations needed, you will find lots of other specific examples of ways to tag as needing improved sourcing.
 * As I wrote above, if you believe a long-standing article needs deleting, it is usually best to take it to WP:Articles for Deletion, so that the community can discuss whether or not it should be deleted. There's an guide for new editors at Introduction to deletion process. Hope this helps, Espresso Addict (talk) 07:15, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

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Raj sources
We do not use Raj era sources as they are not considered reliable. Please do not reinstate them as you have been doing today. - Sitush (talk) 11:56, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

July 2020
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Okay I will write using my own words Mamallarnarashimavarman (talk) 19:24, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Unexplained removal
Why do this? It is obvious to me that you and the person who added that entry to the list are having a bit of a fight between yourselves across numerous articles but, certainly in this instance, the entry was valid in terms of sourcing and aligned with the linked article. You gave no reason at all for removal, so I have reverted you. - Sitush (talk) 19:31, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

I couldn't find it in the source if I am not mistaken, that's why I removed it. Mamallarnarashimavarman (talk) 19:35, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Ohh this one let me go thru it again, thank you for letting me know Mamallarnarashimavarman (talk) 19:36, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Important Notice
Sitush (talk) 13:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I am very close to asking an admin to block you for edit warring across a multitude of articles. Examples: Mala (caste), Velalar, Devendra kulam, Kudumbar, Devaneya Pavanar, and Thenkalam. In some cases, this seems to have been going on for days now. It has to stop. You already know from the protection applied at Devendra Kulathan by that these things should be discussed, not warred over. I am tempted to revert all articles to the state they were in prior to both the edits of yourself and EruTheLord. - Sitush (talk) 14:04, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes I understand, but why aren't the issues being discussed before making the change that is what I don't understand. I was reverting back because all the users are new and they editing on their own way. There is another user which I saw who is also doing something similar. This are the two users EruTheLord & Abjith Iyer. I have no personal conflicts with them, this is what I would like to clarify too. Mamallarnarashimavarman (talk) 15:01, 19 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, I noticed that there are now several accounts in opposition to you. I have just said this at EruTheLord's talk page. Taking the disputed articles back to prior to your first edit on them might be quite drastic - it depends if unrelated statements etc have been added by others in the intervening time. Nonetheless, it may be the only way forward as I am struggling to see why this has become such a wide problem and where best it might be resolved bearing in mind it does seem to affect a lot of articles now. - Sitush (talk) 15:31, 19 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Well, they (your "opponents") are definitely correct in some cases. For example, this is not what the source says. It specifically says the Pallars and you cannot start changing things to DVK just because you prefer that. It looks like I will have to revert a lot of your edits. - Sitush (talk) 17:35, 19 July 2020 (UTC)


 * As a further example to the above, this edit in February is, like that above, still being edit warred by you today. Why? The thing was not sourced then and seemingly never has been so there is no way you could reach the conclusion you did without using original research. Am I really going to have to check everything you have done since February? It's appalling. - Sitush (talk) 17:39, 19 July 2020 (UTC)


 * This one, which you have edit warred over, is a straight violation of WP:BLP - we do not state the caste of living people unless we have a reliable source which shows them self-identifying as a member of that caste. - Sitush (talk) 17:52, 19 July 2020 (UTC)


 * So far, I reckon I have reverted in excess of 50 edits made by you, all of them unsupported by sources etc. This is another egregious example of WP:POV - why on earth did you think it was ok to remove that information without first getting consensus to do so? Of course, you'd tried several times and that should have made it clear to you that your version was contested. - Sitush (talk) 19:03, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Okay bro noted, for this one samathuvapuram, the background is unrelated to the article that's why i said it's unrelated to the topic. Mamallarnarashimavarman (talk) 03:57, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Can you go through this source and see, this is a latest anthropology report https://apiar.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/3_APJABSS_v5i2_2019_pp.-21-33.pdf Mamallarnarashimavarman (talk) 03:59, 20 July 2020 (UTC)


 * You seem to be very blase about these problems that I have found. What am I supposed to be looking for in that paper? It looks suspiciously like a predatory journal to me and, if so, wouldn't be reliable anyway. - Sitush (talk) 04:41, 20 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Ok, I've read it. It is near-useless for what you are trying to do. You are trying to impose a claim to Devendra K classification as a fact, eg: it says The seven subcommunities (five groups excluding Devendrakulathan and Pallan) have come together in a social movement for a collective identity, their cause being revivalistic in character with regard to their Identity. The Pallar article already notes this claim and there is nothing wrong with noting similarly in the related articles but what you cannot do is go around tens of articles changing Pallar to read Devendrakula Velalar etc. It simply does not align with the majority of reliable sources and is clearly a politicised movement. - Sitush (talk) 05:29, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

The study was done by madras university after the government ordered them to do soo. https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Madurai/centre-to-depute-anthropologists-to-tamil-nadu/article8217043.ece/amp/

The report was the outcome of Shobana Sharma & Prof S. Sumathi University of Madras, Chennai. India.

Yes Agreed sometimes it was a political movement, but this one is not. The conclusion of the report is one of the few things I would like to highlight.

1) This was from the article The study validated the above facts through historical, archeological and empirical evidences. The ethnographic documentation of the seven sub-communities has followed the scien- tific approach. Ethnologically the seven sub-communities were analyzed to establish the identity. The identity among the sub communities is Devendakula Velalar. In conclusion, this study recommends that the claim of the sub communities (Kudumban, Pannadi, Kadayan, Kaladi, Vathiriyaan, Pallan and Devendra Kulathan) for a singular identity of Devendrakula Velalar is FACTUAL AND JUSTIFED. There are no significant limitations in the present study as the study covered the required demographic distribution. The study could not factor the population who has migrated to other states.

2) The origin of Kudumbar is also explained that it is associated with the origin of the velalar in Tamil Nadu.

3) Another thing that is often confused is Velalar and Vellalar. Both are different and both means different. I will also provide the references here regarding it. Mamallarnarashimavarman (talk) 05:52, 20 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Vellalar and velalar are in practice one and the same. They are just spelling differences. If you claim otherwise better provide a source, which I am sure you can't. you will be most probably citing some biased documents or unworthy research. EruTheLord (talk) 06:09, 20 July 2020 (UTC)


 * We are not using any politicised source as a statement of fact. That report is politicsed and you have said as much yourself - the university was ordered to do it. We can mention things like this but it is wrong to deny decades of other reliable sources etc just because one report says differently, especially when that one report is the outcome of all sorts of revisionist history pressure being applied on politicians. - Sitush (talk) 06:17, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

You should be addressing this to mamallanarasimhavarman I suppose. EruTheLord (talk) 06:47, 20 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I am trying to but neither of you seem to have much clue about how to indent on talk pages - this is a problem at pretty much every talk page where the pair of you interact. - Sitush (talk) 07:05, 20 July 2020 (UTC)


 * , if you find the absence of WP:INDENT occuring regularly, you may summarily remove any such comments from these two editors until they figure it out. If this is how article talk pages look like, then it's disruptive to the stability of those pages. Competence is required. El_C 11:43, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Source query
Hi, I have queried a source here. You've used it quite a lot and in ways that may be contentious, so we really could do with a resolution otherwise I think it will have to be removed from all the articles where you cited it. I can ask other people to check the thing but since you are active it is easiest to ask you as the person who added it in the first place. - Sitush (talk) 09:31, 21 July 2020 (UTC)


 * What am I supposed to do? Mamallarnarashimavarman (talk) 10:46, 21 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Go to the cited page in the source and provide a quote of what it says to support Pannadi is a subcaste of the Pallar and are found in Kongu Nadu, which is located in the western region of Tamil Nadu, India or whatever it says if it does not say that. The quote can be put on the article talk page. There are also two uses of the p 74 of that source at Devendrakula Velalar and they appear to contradict each other, so a quote relating to that would be handy also. If it is easier, scan or photograph the page from the book and email it to me but be aware that if you do that it will disclose your email address to me. - Sitush (talk) 11:49, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Okay bro understood, will do it as soon as possible Mamallarnarashimavarman (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

I have quote what it says in the source for pannadi. For Devendrakula Velalar will do it and let u know. Mamallarnarashimavarman (talk) 04:40, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I have replied at Talk:Pannadi, which is where this should be. - Sitush (talk) 06:28, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Partial block from Devendra Kulathan
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Blocked again

 * You recently posted to my talk page, asking me to make an edit to what you called "the Kudumbar article". On checking the relevant editing history I found that there are two serious problems with the edit request you posted to me. Firstly, you were asking me to restore content which you have in the past added to the article more than once; in other words you were asking me to help you to edit-war by proxy, in such a way that the edit-warring would not be attributed to you. Secondly, you were asking me to make an edit on your behalf on a topic from which you are banned; in other words you were asking me to help you evade your topic ban by proxy. I would have simply given you a warning not to do either of those again, were it not for the fact that you have previously been blocked both for edit-warring and for evasion of your topic ban. I have therefore blocked you from editing again, this time for a substantially longer time than either of your previous blocks, in the hope that this may get the message through to you. If I see that you continue to attempt to evade your topic ban, to edit war, to try to get any other editor to make edits on your behalf to avoid sanctions for making those edits again, or to do any other kind of unacceptable editing that you have been warned about, I shall be likely to block you for very much longer than I have done on this occasion. Please simply leave the whole topic from which you are banned. JBW (talk) 21:33, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Pannadi


The article Pannadi has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "This is enwiki not Tamil wiki. No evidence this word is recognised in English - although there is evidence of a film of this name and also a Dalit people. However, that's not what's presented here and until something valid and sourced is created, this is cruft."

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Proposed deletion of Kudumbar


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