User talk:Mammal4/Issues relating to Cornwall's Uk or England designation here please

Re: England/UK
However, unlike other England geography articles, most writers for Cornwall entries use Uk.
 * In my experience this is not true. A small number of editors systematically edit out references to England from Cornish articles, often making them factually incorrect in the process, e.g. with Land's End, Sennen, St Just and Cape Cornwall.  For example, the reference to England that you deleted from the intro to the Penzance article was added by a Mebyon Kernow member who recognises that Wikipedia is here to describe the world as it is, not how they wish it to be.  Most of the early articles about Cornish places described them in England, until these few hard working editors removed all such references.

This is the consensus, and this opinion should be respected.
 * Where was this consesus agreed upon? There is an appearence of consensus because a few POV pushers have devoted a lot of time to creating that appearence (and not much time to anything else on Wikipedia), which other Wikipedians without the vested interest have not been able to keep up with.

I have tried to come up with some compromise on this, by using both England and Uk in the description (e.g St Just, Cornwall, England; a constituent of the United Kingdom. I think that this is the fullest answer, and covers both points of view, however, I have had no feedback on this.  Unless some sort of agreement is reached, then this will continue to crop up again and again.  I'm sure we could all spend our time better by improving the depth of content in these articles, rather than reverting back and forth over this small point! :)  Mammal4 20:39, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * If you wish to discuss this further, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography may be the best place for it. Joe D (t) 04:20, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi - I have added the following to Cornwall Talk - I don't know what you think about this idea?? I have been thinking long and hard about this UK / England business. I think when we present information in wikipedia we have a big responsibility because many internet users use this as a source for information. Firstly I agree there is strong feeling in Cornwall about its unique status and seperation from England - I feel it, support it and am actively involved in campaigning to sort it out. However we need to also consider political fact, at the moment Cornwall is subject to English and Welsh Law on a day to day basis and the control of UK government, natural Cornish Law (stannary etc) although never repealed is actively ignored by the UK authorities. Essentially we are in a big constitutional and poltical mess made worse by centuries of bumbling and self interest all we can do is examine the hard facts

Fact 1 - Cornwall was historicaly seperate from England Fact 2 - This has never been repealed Fact 3 - Cornwall is subject to English Law (English and Welsh law that is) Fact 4 - Cornwall is subject to the control of UK government Fact 5 - The Duke of Cornwall and the Duchy are offices and establishments of the UK crown and previously the English Crown. Fact 6 - Cornwall is culturally seperate from England. Fact 7 - Despite wide spread support and the efforts of the Cornish people no devolved DEMOCRATIC cornish body exists yet.

My proposal would be that a common description should be something like this [Town Name], Cornwall, England (disputed), UK.

The 'disputed' would then link to the 'constitutional status of cornwall page' with a mature debate about history, current position etc. I don't like it any more than Pediac does to be truthfull !! If I was presenting my own work only I would say that Cornwall alone was sufficient but I am not and we need to be balanced however personally distasteful we find another position user:reedgunner


 * No, we can't have "disputed" because that just sounds daft. Cornwall in in England. Some people may not like that, some people may want to change that, but that is a FACT. This endless debate about Cornwall is quite silly. Yes it is a special county and that should be stated, but this "Wiki-war" about it seceeding the English counties is ridiculous. David 15:35, 20 May 2006 (UTC)