User talk:Manitshah100

March 2023
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Bbb23 (talk) 15:06, 25 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Bbb23 Hi there, I believe that I have been blocked in error or because of some misunderstanding. I assure you that I am not a threat to Wikipedia in any way whatsoever. Please read my appeal ticket for more details. Manitshah100 (talk) 15:39, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No one said you were a "threat" to Wikipedia, and I have no idea what you mean by your "appeal ticket".--Bbb23 (talk) 15:43, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Bbb23 When I was notified that I have been blocked, I read the guide to appealing the block, which included a link to the "Unblock Ticket Request System". I filled out a form there with a more detailed explanation.
 * I believe there has been a misunderstanding. All that I've been doing is saving some custom css code that applies only to my account. In this process, as in most code work, there were numerous edits and saves. The template I'm building would provide an alternative look to Wikipedia, free for anyone to use. Building it — saving a page every few minutes — certainly couldn't cause disruption to Wikipedia or to any other user (code / changes were applicable only to my account). Would you help give me a pointer as to what happened here? When I was blocked, I didn't get any specific reason beyond "not here to build an encyclopedia". Ironically, that's all I was doing! Manitshah100 (talk) 16:01, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Bbb23 Also, I wish there were some sort of a mechanism to warn the user to stop . An indefinite ban seems excessively harsh without being afforded any opportunity to cease the or to have a conversation. Manitshah100 (talk) 16:06, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You misunderstood the guide. Normally, when you want to appeal a block, you follow the directions in the notice to create an unblock request here. UTRS is normally used only when you do not have access to this page or there is something private you want to say. Editors at Wikipedia are expected to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, which usually means improving articles. You have made well over 600 edits to your style sheet but done pretty much nothing else except one edit to an article a couple of months ago. Wikipedia is not a place for you to play around. Find another website for that.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:08, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay.
 * Re: "You misunderstood the guide..." I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, and did not know that I could / should appeal here. Now I do. Noted with thanks.
 * Re: "Editors at Wikipedia are expected to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, which usually means improving articles" I didn't commit to editing Wikipedia articles; I'm sure a lot of users read but don't edit Wikipedia, and that isn't a problem. In this specific case, all that happened is that I started writing some code for a new Wikipedia layout, with no ulterior or commercial motives. What I am/was hoping to build is an alternative reader-friendly layout that would others could also use if they wanted. I assume this is not in itself problematic. From what you've said above, the issue is the high number of edits that you seem to consider unproductive / not "constructive".
 * Re: "You have made well over 600 edits to your style sheet" The 600 edits to the stylesheet were a result of incremental changes to code. This is not unusual for anyone programming anything (an "edit" could be as little as changing a value, and hitting save). I used Wikipedia directly, rather than a text editor application, so that I could get real-time feedback on whether some change worked as expected or not.
 * Re: Resolution This is the first I have been given any indication in any way that the number of times I have edited my own custom css (the "edits" you refer to) is problematic. So of course, I am happy to severely restrict the number of times I save custom CSS code (i.e. make an "edit") to my Wikipedia account. This would mean coding mostly elsewhere and applying the updated code to my Wikipedia account only infrequently. As to the number and frequency of edits, I am happy to stay within whatever the guidelines / rules / consensus is. If you limit the number of edits I can make, I am happy to stick to that limit. I do not believe this work to be unproductive, but of course I don't expect to misuse Wikipedia in any way. Just tell me what would be considered reasonable use.
 * Re: "Wikipedia is not a place for you to play around. Find another website for that" This was unnecessary. I believe that Wikipedia is extremely valuable, and have never had any intention of misusing it. I made some edits, limited to my account only, that you consider too many. I am now doing everything I can to resolve the situation respectfully, and am committing to staying within whatever the guidelines / rules consider reasonable. That doesn't mean I appreciate being talked down to.
 * Manitshah100 (talk) 16:47, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * If you were to request an unblock, I can tell you what another administrator would ask you: what edits do you plan to make to articles? It's not a function of limiting the number of edits to your .css; rather, it is the proportion of those edits to real contributions that benefit the project.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:06, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * My answer to that question would be:
 * I am reluctant to edit articles unless I am quite certain that I am fixing something. You will note that one of my earlier (not related to CSS) edits, for example, was to fix a football league table with an egregious, and easily verifiable, error. I make such edits once in a while. As I gain in confidence editing articles, I plan to do so more frequently. I cannot commit to a number of edits.
 * Meanwhile, I am also working on a different look for Wikipedia. I do not believe that to be pointless, but I don't have any problem with others believing that.
 * In the last week, for example, if I had made just 10 instead of 600 edits, that would render this issue irrelevant, correct? I'm happy to do so: as mentioned, I can write/build/refine the code elsewhere and apply it here only once in a while. It's the "indefinite" nature of this block that is problematic for me, because it doesn't allow me to make any edits at all, even to my own custom code. What can I do to lift the block? Manitshah100 (talk) 17:25, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Bbb23 When you get a chance, please let me know what specific action you would like from me in order to restore my Wikipedia account. I simply cannot commit to making some arbitrary number of article edits, as that would simply incentivise me to edit for the sake of editing. But aside from that, I'm happy to do whatever Wikipedia decides is reasonable. Manitshah100 (talk) 12:34, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * So first the administrator @Bbb23 hands down an overly presumptuous and heavy-handed decision —  to block me indefinitely , simply because I made many edits to my own custom CSS code. Without any warning or other communication, he/she decided that lots of minor edits to my own CSS code (which only impacts the look of my own Wikipedia account) somehow made me unworthy of being able to edit anything. No communication, no warning, no chat, just an immediate, complete block — completely out of the blue. I have never made an edit that was incorrect or inaccurate in any way.
 * Then I realise that the world's 7th-most popular website has a preposterously unintuitive and unwieldy dispute resolution mechanism, which would have been considered downright poor even 10 years ago. I created an appeal ticket nonetheless, explicitly including: "If someone could point out my violation, of course I would stop doing that. Either way, I would be grateful if someone could lift the block on my account... the last thing I want to do is harm / misuse [Wikipedia] in any way. This seems to be a complete misunderstanding."
 * Instead, the administrator @JJMC89 declined and closed my ticket, asking me to appeal through my own user talk page (this page) and not Wikipedia's "Unblock Ticket Request System" — then why on Earth name it that!??
 * Meanwhile, the administrator who originally blocked me (@Bbb23) hasn't responded to my good-faith messages here in over 1.5 months. In my communications thus far, I have remained respectful regardless of the attitude of the administrators.
 * So it's now high time I respond — I'm out, and after this minute, I'm never logging in again. I sent thousands of dollars to Wikipedia over the years, and in hindsight, that was a bad mistake. If you can't treat people with a little more respect and humanity, keep your precious user account.
 * @Jimbo Wales: Your ads requesting money have been blocked too. This system is absolute garbage. I'm done trying to plead my case to officious Wikipedia administrators. Manitshah100 (talk) 08:47, 14 June 2023 (UTC)