User talk:Mann jess/Archive 7

February 2015 GOCE newsletter
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:52, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Dear Mann jess,
On Talk:Macrobiotic diet, user Ds13 said “Cheers” to me for removing Category:Pseudoscience. Apparently he/she supports removing said category, an edit which you reverted.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 01:10, 14 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Um... no they didn't. You placed your comment right in the middle of their discussion, which took place over 8 years ago. . You managed to break up their comment in the process, too... not that it matters all that much, since the user has been inactive for 2 years.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 02:17, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

GOCE March newsletter
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:41, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Psychokinesis
Why are you changing psychokinesis. Psychokinesis is NOT telekinesis. Telekinesis is a TYPE of psychokinesis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pigs1111 (talk • contribs) 03:31, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what question you're asking. In regards to this edit, your addition messed up the entire page, making sections of the lead bold and changing the first sentence into a garbled mess. That's ok; this sort of thing happens, but we have to undo changes like that to make sure our pages are legible.


 * As for the substance of your edit: many sources use telekenesis and psychokinesis interchangeably. Some others discuss telekenesis as a subset of psychokinesis, and we discuss that in the article. See the subsets of psychokinesis subsection. If you have any other questions, feel free to drop by the article talk page. You can find a link to it at the top left corner of the article. Thanks!  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 03:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey man is telekinesis and psychokinesis really the samePigs1111 (talk) 03:43, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi there. When you're responding to a comment, try to put it at the very bottom of the section you're responding to. So, to respond to this comment I'm making right now, put your reply right below it. Does that make sense?


 * As I mentioned above, telekenesis and psychokinesis are said to be the same thing by some of our sources. Other sources say telekinesis is a type of psychokinesis. On wikipedia, we just report what our sources say... we don't make decisions about the subject on our own. So, we report that the words are used interchangeably sometimes, and also report that one is a subset of the other in some cases. That's the best we can do with the sources we have. Does that make sense?  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 03:47, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Ha so did you have it ment for interchangeably because I can add sources. Pigs1111 (talk) 03:52, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Sources are usually helpful, yes. Take a look at what I wrote on the article talk page, and we can move the discussion there. Thanks.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 04:00, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I put a source on my wal. Pigs1111 (talk) 04:09, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Why are you erasing sourced & valid content?
MJ,

I can't help but notice you have received previous complaints from other contributors whose content you erase and change. I have added relevant material directly quoting the Bible, citing original Greek, citing several English translations, to the New Testament section of an article called "The Bible & Slavery". You have reverted my edit twice and a third revert will automatically block you.

Rather than engaging in an editing war, would you like to explain what your contention is, besides personal disagreement, and substantiate your editing with New Testament references? Are you a New Testament scholar or Bible expert? I will revert your edit again. Below is my contribution for your reference:

The New Testament never uses the Greek word “sklabos,” the equivalent of the English “slave,” because it had not yet been coined by the time the Bible had been completed.[40] Instead the New Testament uses the word "doulon" to refer to a hired servant or employee, as distinguished from a boss or employer. This distinction is consistent wherever the New Testament lists two economic classes: slave or free.[41]

The popular assumption that New Testament slaves had the same status as European colonial slaves is a linguistic error and a historical error.[42] English translations of the Bible use the words "servant" and "slave" interchangeably. The Gospel shows such a servant was highly valued and in today's language would be better called an "employee". Compare three English translations of the Gospel of Luke chapter 7 verse 2:

King James Version “And a certain centurion’s servant, who was dear unto him, was sick, and ready to die.” The New English Translation “A centurion there had a slave who was highly regarded, but who was sick and at the point of death.” The New Living Translation “At that time the highly valued slave of a Roman officer was sick and near death.”

The attitude of the employer and Jesus Christ towards this servant contradicts the assumption that he had the same status or experienced the same treatment commonly associated with racial or colonial slavery. — Preceding unsigned comment added by McCardleDavis (talk • contribs) 04:41, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi McCardle. Welcome to wikipedia. I've been editing wikipedia for many years, and I'd be happy to point you to a few of our policies which address the content you'd like to add. Most importantly, the bible is what's called a primary source, which means that it can be used to quote itself, but not a whole lot more. Interpretation from a primary source is what's called original research - something all editors must strive to avoid. We very strongly prefer secondary sources on wikipedia for that reason. I'd be happy to discuss the addition with you at the article's talk page (Talk:Christianity and slavery). If you know of secondary sources which address this topic, why don't you bring them there and we can figure out how best to incorporate them. Thanks.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 06:31, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * MJ, By what you're saying the only thing that should have been edited out is "original research". Why then did you erase PRIMARY SOURCES (3 Bible translations) and SECONDARY SOURCES (a Christian author citing Greek original word for slave is not the emotive and colonial "sklabos")? There's a point where editing becomes policing of thought and outright censorship of viewpoints you don't want others to read. Are you not violating Wikipedia policy by erasing primary BIBLE QUOTATIONS and SECONDARY SOURCES? The one line I agree you could "disqualify" by your standard is the last sentence. Let me know what you still disagree. NeutralPower 23:20, 6 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by McCardleDavis (talk • contribs)


 * Saying a source is primary is not a point in its favor. Quoting from WP:PRIMARY: "All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source." We cannot interpret parts of the bible ourselves without a secondary source, and that's what was being done.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 00:00, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Kind of rude
To close the discussion especially when you are involved in a content dispute. I know you are kind. and you will reconsider. --MarioMarco2009 (talk) 16:08, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You apparently didn't read what I wrote. I said there were two possible outcomes of your behavior, and you're edging towards #2. You can reject the advice of experienced editors all you want, but it will only result in you being ignored and then blocked. Have at it, I guess.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 17:26, 6 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Is asking questions requests for more opinions  regarding the use of a reliable source is a reason for blocking someone ?. Why is this against the policy ? Just wondering. --MarioMarco2009 (talk) 17:31, 6 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Repeatedly asking the same question, and ignoring the input you receive, is tendentious editing, which is grounds for blocking. You have received input from 10 separate editors by my count, and your response was to open a new section to ask the very same thing. That's disruptive. You won't be blocked now, but you've started on a path that will lead you there. That's unfortunate, but it's your call. Speaking of rudeness, ignoring 10 other people who are trying to help is "kind of rude". All the best,  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 17:43, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Mobile
Hi i jst wanted to knw hw to edit by mobile? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shivam mahaseth (talk • contribs)


 * Hi. I've never edited on my phone, personally, so I'm probably not the one to ask. However, you can check out WP:MOBILE for some suggestions. Good luck!  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 17:50, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Naturopathy
Had 3 sources, someone deleted them, anyway I'm retiring from this page till the holidays, I have a lot of science homework.Gudzwabofer (talk) 17:51, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Yep, that's the right decision for now. I get that this issue is important to you, but I'm not "your enemy"; my goal is to improve the article too. Come back when you have your school responsibilities out of the way (that's the priority!) and we can discuss it more. Thanks.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 17:53, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Bochasanwasi Shri Akshar Purushottam Swaminarayan Sanstha
I would like to revert the article to the last stable version. Edits made by User:Swamiblue were disruptive and the user was blocked for edit warring for pushing in their controversial changes. An administrator asked me to wait to revert to a stable version. See my talk page. This would also undo the unverifiable and out of context changes introduced by User_talk:69.172.85.34 who is also adding controversial changes to the article and has just come out of a block. You can check the edit History of the article itself to confirm and the talk pages of these users. The current state of the article is not at the last stable version. Thanks Kapil.xerox (talk) 13:40, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No objections here. I haven't really looked into any of the content, and have no stance on which version is better. My only involvement was to address the disruption by the ip. Thanks for letting me know, though! :)  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 16:19, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Criticism of atheism
Why does the article "Criticism of atheism" warrant defense of atheism whilst there is no material defending Islam on the "Criticism of Islam" page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MagicatthemovieS (talk • contribs)


 * I can't comment on other articles, only the ones I edit. However, as I explained on Talk:Criticism of atheism, the article is intended to cover all aspects of the topic. It is not List of criticisms of atheism (which, actually, would even still require some discussion of the criticisms). We don't write articles as "attacks" and "defense", we simply try to summarize the sources on the topic by including all significant viewpoints with respect to their prominence in the sourcing.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 01:45, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

naturopathy
yep i wrote a sharp comment and then removed it. i get so sick of people not actually reading what other people write and responding to that. i have no idea what you thought you were responding to, much less who. sorry for swearing at you. i removed it because i regretted it. Jytdog (talk) 21:21, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I did, in fact, read your comment before replying. This stood out to me: "the heart of [naturopathy] is common sense mainstream medicine today...where naturopathy goes wrong from the mainstream perspective, is trying to treat serious conditions without medicine... our article is pretty heavily WEIGHTed on the latter [non mainstream med], and maybe not enough WEIGHT on the former [mainstream med]." I don't know you, or any other editor personally; I can only respond to what I read. I understood that blip to mean one can reasonably practice naturopathy in conjunction with mainstream med, and that we should consider adjusting the weight of the article to provide more emphasis on that perspective. Maybe that's not what you meant to say, but the meaning is very clear to me as a reader. Hence my reply: the "heart of naturopathy" is not just "common sense mainstream med", it is loads of other claims, and the perspective that it could be practiced a certain way should not influence how we assess due weight. I think you significantly misread my post, which was not an attack on you (in fact, I expected you would simply agree with me... my only aim was to clarify, so we didn't start down the wrong path). Anyway, we all make mistakes, and read too much into things sometimes. No worries. I appreciate you posting here. Thanks.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 21:46, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * you misinterpret what i wrote yet again here. bummer. thanks for accepting my apology, anyway. Jytdog (talk) 03:28, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Like I said, you may have meant something different. I'm not making an active effort to misunderstand you... I'm just reading what you wrote as best I can. I don't know, maybe I'm missing something obvious... I just can't see any other way to interpret your words. Sometimes it's tough to communicate certain ideas. Who knows. I don't think it really matters right now. If this ends up being important later, we can hash it out more.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 03:47, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

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Genesis creation page edit
Hi Jess, I have removed William Blake's art because it is insulting to those who believe in the God of creation as told in Genesis. Using Blake's art on this page would be like posting a Nazi original piece on a page about Jewish culture in Germany. A better piece of creation art would be one painted by a believer of the subject being discussed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.158.73 (talk) 21:55, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi there. Thanks for the message. When there is disagreement over content on an article, the best place to go to discuss it is the article talk page. You can find a link to the article talk page by clicking the "Talk" button at the top left of any article. Before going there about this issue, I'd encourage you to read WP:NOTCENSORED. Wikipedia does not censor content based on it being offensive or insulting to any group... we simply try to present the most accurate information we can given our sources. If you have any other questions, direct them to Talk:Genesis creation narrative, and I'm sure an experienced editor would be happy to help you out. Thanks!  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 22:28, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

My Page Tom Sandow
Thank you Jess for communicating with me. My page is well listed by Google etc but if I tap in Tom Sandow on search it says 'not listed'. How do I become 'listed' on Wikipedia? If you could explain I would be lost grateful. Kind Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.50.13.144 (talk)


 * Hi there. Wikipedia has requirements for what we call "notability". You can read about them here. Basically, to be covered on wikipedia, a topic must be covered significantly by reliable sources. As an example, I'm not notable, so an article doesn't exist about me (despite being on tv and in newspapers several times, I don't meet our notability guidelines). If you think an article should be created about a subject that is notable, check out WP:Your first article. You'll have to create an account to create new articles, or you can submit an article to WP:AfC for someone else to create. If you are hoping to create an article about yourself, you may want to read WP:COI, and I would suggest asking another editor to create the article for you to avoid any conflict of interest. If you have any questions, feel free to ask an experienced editor, and check out the WP:Teahouse. Good luck!  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 07:40, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Barnstars for you!

 * Did I never thank you for this, ? I thought I did! Oh well, I appreciate the kind words. Thanks for your contributions to Talk:Abiogenesis and the FAQ! :)  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 17:24, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

April 2015 GOCE newsletter
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:29, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Parapsychology
Hello Mann Jess,

I will leave more than one quote.

Many scientists DO NOT consider at least some elements of parapsychology, as a pseudoscience.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201401/is-there-scientific-taboo-against-parapsychology

I will dig out some really good quotes, and classically trained, western, establishment scientists to back this up.

Neo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.234.213.240 (talk • contribs)


 * Hi. The place to discuss sources is the article talk page. That being said, the source you've proposed here actually backs up our current wording, by detailing that the scientific community completely rejects parapsychology. The source goes on to argue a novel position, that this should change. I don't know, maybe it should, but it's not wikipedia's place to evoke change; it's our job to simply record how things are right now.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 16:01, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Parapsychology
Thanks for giving your name.

I have just read the comments by other people on this forum. They are extremely RUDE.

I will make a YouTube video about this and make it VIRAL.

Does Wikipedia (or some other "establishment") pay you some dough for guarding the gates?

This is going VIRAL...

Neo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.234.213.240 (talk • contribs)


 * Ok, have fun with that I guess. If you want to continue contributing here, you need to read WP:WEIGHT. We are required to present information in proportion to its prominence in reliable sources, and on the topic of parapsychology, the preponderance of sources describe it in a certain way. Our coverage must reflect that. If you have sources indicating otherwise, you should propose them on the article's talk page.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 15:57, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

WLC
Your recent editing history at William Lane Craig shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you get reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Bill the Cat 7 (talk) 19:00, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Ganzfeld experiment article edits
Hi, please take a look at the Talk:Ganzfeld experiment, we can discuss the recent changes there. Larch150 (talk) 15:17, 27 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks for letting me know. It looks like the edit is an improvement on several fronts, but I had a few concerns which I've tried to address. BTW, just as a point of reference, when you introduce new content and someone reverts it, the best course of action is to go to the talk page (like you did - awesome!), but also leave the new content out until it can be discussed. No big deal in this case, but it does help collaboration quite a bit. Anyway, I posted to the article talk page and made a few changes. Thanks!  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 15:53, 27 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation – I am new to Wikipedia. I again posted to the talk page, and I am not sure if you get some kind of reminder (because I refrained from editing this time), so I am posting one here. Larch150 (talk) 07:59, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! :) I've appreciated your contributions there, too! I'm glad we've been able to make some progress! Keep up the good work!  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 17:21, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Acupuncture
Greetings! It seems to have been hectic at Acupuncture for the past few days, and I've tried to catch up with the discussion the best I can. Anyway, you reverted my edit with an Edit Summary of "This directly contravenes consensus about this edit on the talk page.". I've read through the Talk Page, but I may have missed the consensus over this matter. Could you kindly point me out where this consensus has been reached? Thanks!

Best Regards, Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 17:01, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Jayaguru, no worries. I'm going to be out most of the rest of the day, but briefly... this issue has been discussed in some depth in several sections, including here and here, as well as numerous more general discussions in the archives. Several editors have expressed significant concerns over that very specific edit, which are based on sound policy considerations (like WP:WEIGHT). I think reasonable editors could disagree about the state of consensus as either 1) there was consensus against the proposed addition, or 2) there was no consensus for the addition. I don't think a reasonable reading of the discussion would lead an editor to believe there was consensus for the addition, so adding it back in without first seeking consensus would be a mistake. I don't think it's unreasonable for you to fall into category #2, but if so, the right course of action is more discussion, not more controversial edits. You're right that the page has been a storm recently, which is unfortunate for everyone involved. More level-headed discussion is the best way to resolve that. Thanks for reaching out to me.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 18:31, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * It's okay, no hurry. There's no WP:DEADLINE. But yeah, I agree. It has indeed been quite a storm there recently. Actually, I don't think I fall for categories 1) or 2), but for category 3): I am completely clueless here. I thought that I've followed the discussion pretty closely, but the discussion just keeps going on and on. Honestly, I think all the arguments have been said already and now we are just going though a grand recycle of those. In my ideal world, when everything has been already said, the discussion would just cease down naturally and the discussion could be easily concluded into a new consensus.


 * Anyway, for that reason I am not really quite sure where the consensus have been reached. The discussion is vast, so I hope you understand if I am asking you if you had some diffs more specific. Well, let me first have a look at the diffs you gave me, so ... there's no hurry really, especially now after the article got full protected now :-) Cheers! Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 19:51, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Innapropriate hatting of discussion
You recently hatted a discussion on the Talk:Acupuncture page. WP:Hat is very clear on this. "This template should only be used by uninvolved editors in conjunction with the talk page guidelines and relevant advice at refactoring. It should not be used by involved parties to end a discussion over the objections of other editors." You are an involved party. I am therefore asking that you self revert this closure. DrChrissy (talk) 00:49, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


 * WP:IAR. Meta discussion about the removal of talk page content expressly prohibited in our guidelines will not improve the encyclopedia. Seriously, take this to the appropriate venue. I've already pointed you there. That article talk page is suffering from severe bloat as it is.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 00:52, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Have you really been reduced to "ignore all rules"....well....I am speechless. DrChrissy (talk) 01:08, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


 * It's funny... I wrote a few paragraphs with basic advice, because based on your editing pattern, I figured you were a new editor just learning the ropes. You've apparently been here since 2011 with over 11k edits. That new perspective is refreshing, because it means I have no compulsion to help you learn our policies - you know where they are already. Phew! So allow me to adjust... Your behavior is tendentious, and has the appearance of intentional disruption. Whether or not you intend to be disruptive is irrelevant; if you don't change your approach to editing, you will end up sanctioned. If you're not familiar with pseudoscience topics and our application of WP:FRINGE, you should become accustomed to it before wading in further. This topic is different than other areas, I assure you. Good luck.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 01:22, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Accupuncture
Please see discussion. Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 02:40, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Indenting
Please be cautious when adjusting the indenting in a discussion. Your edit here at AN/I re-WP:THREADed my post and CambridgeBayWeather's post, placing them in such a way as to indicate (incorrectly) that I was replying to a post by DrChrissy, and that CBW was replying to my post. (This would be particularly strange, given that my comment was written, posted, and signed before DrChrissy's.) TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:45, 14 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that! I was finding the conversation almost impossible to follow as written, with comments all over. A series of edit conflicts tends to do that. I figured I'd try to fix it so it was legible, and if anyone had an issue they'd revert me. Of course, feel free to move your comment wherever you feel is appropriate - sorry for the trouble!  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 16:49, 14 May 2015 (UTC)


 * No worries. I think I fixed it. Cheers! TenOfAllTrades(talk) 18:00, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey Stud!
Hey Stud,

Thanks for the message! I appreciate and respect all you do best believe! I did want to take the time now to let you know I feel this was a mistaken removal. Dan Quinn IS Maitreya! I know this shocks a lot of people but he has it on his stomach! Best believe in this! Thanks for listening and if you will please correct the mistake! Be well!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C4CB:2CA0:350F:919C:D40E:9C99 (talk) 09:40, 17 May 2015 (UTC)