User talk:Mar4d/Archive 2

Speedy deletion nomination of Wali Khan Babar


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Climate articles
Hey Mar4d... I will be glad to create a article about Climate of Faisalabad. Should it be like Climate of Karachi or Climate of Multan or Climate of Mecca??? HunterZone (talk) 16:44, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Climate of Faisalabad {Done) :] HunterZone (talk) 13:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

2011 in Pakistan
Please expand this article..it is not being updated..HunterZone (talk) 16:28, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Autopatrolled
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Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Ambassadors of Pakistan to Bahrain
Category:Ambassadors of Pakistan to Bahrain, which you created, has been nominated by another editor for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at Categories for discussion/Log/2011 January 28 on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 04:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

ITN for 2011 Faisalabad bombing
-- Spencer T♦ C 22:14, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Portal:Sharjah
Portal:Sharjah, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Sharjah and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Portal:Sharjah during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. JJ98 (Talk)  20:52, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi there
Hi there, Thanks for your nice words about my "History of Pakistan" page. Since you seem to be interested in Pakistan related articles, could you take a look at Muhammad Iqbal and Mughal Empire where a newish user, HotWinters, seems to be wreaking mischief. Regards, Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  15:37, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

List of South Asian inventions and discoveries
Please delete the article List of South Asian inventions and discoveries until the ongoing discussions reach a conclusion. I will wait for a day or so then move WP:ANI for action under WP:FAITACCOMPLI and WP:GAME if the article is not deleted until then. You are welcome to create such a list IF and when we reach a conclusion on this. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:23, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Zuggernaut; as far as I know, consensus was reached and all of the users who actually participated to the discussion in a meaningful manner on the talk page came to one agreement - and that was to transfer all pre-1947 items to the South Asian list, with the Indian list solely focused on the history of science and technology in the republic. In fact, we got to the point where the only task remaining was to start the article - which I just did by merging the Indus Valley list. I am also not an administrator, so deleting the article is therefore not under my reach, and I see no reason to delete it either, per the input and agreement of the majority of users in the issue. So, contrary to what you are saying, WP:CON was reached, and after a great deal of discussion. Mar4d (talk) 07:52, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Please participate in the discussion on Talk: List of South Asian inventions and discoveries.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  15:16, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

ITN for Dera Ghazi Khan bombings
-- can  dle • wicke  10:09, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Don't sandbox in Mufti Munir Shakir
Greetings, even if you revert your edits right away, don't make joke edits on working articles, as you did on Mufti Munir Shakir. That forces other volunteer editors to have to check your edits to make sure everything got turned back, and just generally wastes time and clutters up the page History. If you want to experiment, use the WP:Sandbox instead. MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:27, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think there's been a misunderstanding here. You can check here that the edit simply involved adding a category and a correction of the DEFAULTSORT, which was previously incorrect. Mar4d (talk) 04:56, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Zaigham Khan


The article Zaigham Khan has been proposed for deletion because under Wikipedia policy, all biographies of living persons created after March 18, 2010, must have at least one source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't take offense. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners or ask at Help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:52, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Overcategorization
Please review Overcategorization. Ng.j (talk) 04:57, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Why are you removing basic categories? Your removals on Al Dhafra Air Base are uncalled for. All countries by the way have similiar categorisation systems on military topics and I don't seem to understand why you emptied the UAE categories. Mar4d (talk) 05:52, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Please review Overcategorization, specifically the following sections: Non-defining or trivial characteristics, Narrow intersection, Small with no potential for growth, Mostly overlapping categories. OVERCAT hinders access to information, and buries topics under layers of access. Ng.j (talk) 07:43, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Indian Diaspora in Middle East
Hi Mar4d! Just in case you haven't seen them I created three new Indian diaspora articles in the Middle East (Indians in Egypt, Indians in Lebanon and Indians in Qatar). Feel free to add additional information if you have some and take note that i may create articles on Indians in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain if I have the time. Thanks. DaTraveller (talk) 11:11, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Greetings DaTraveller. Nice to see your new articles; I have seen them and will try to add any new sources that I find. Cheers, Mar4d (talk) 11:40, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Cheers to you as well. Thanks.DaTraveller (talk) 12:03, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Greetings! A stub template or category which you created has been nominated for renaming or deletion at Stub types for deletion. The stub type most likely doesn't meet Wikipedia requirements for a stub type, through failure to meet standards relating to the name, scope, current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Stub. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type, and in future, please consider proposing new stub types first at WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals! This message is a boilerplate, left here as a courtesy, and should not be considered personal in nature. Grutness...wha?  00:16, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Batmaloo
Hi I saw yo make a redlink for Batmaloo and then remove it. There is no problem leaving redlinks for things spelled correctly, as they may encourage someone to write an article on the topic. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:05, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Premature Pakistani biographical stub categories
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 * Please note that, in order to keep stub categories at a usuable level, we encourage only building a category when at least 60 articles can be found to fill it. Dawynn (talk) 18:04, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Vote on article name
Hello. You are invited to take part in a 'Gordion knot vote' with three options on the future title of List of Indian inventions and discoveries. Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 09:42, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Changes to Pakistan Air Force template
Hello, I made some changes to this template that you created. What do you think, have I improved the appearance and structure? --Hj108 (talk) 19:14, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to make as many changes as you like to the template and add new links. I started this template initially based on the models of Template:SLAF and Template:Iranian Air Force and appreciate your contributions, keeping in mind that Wikipedia is always a work in progress :) Mar4d (talk) 06:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * As a side note, (perhaps you know, or perhaps you don't), Template:WP Pakistan has recently been updated with many regional task forces and projects. Many of these task forces have been created long ago but never really got a headstart. Their parameters were added just recently and you are welcome to join any projects and help revive them if you are interested. Regards, Mar4d (talk) 06:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Pakistan-cuisine-stub
Greetings! I see you have recently created one or more new stub templates or categories. As it states at Stub, at the top of most stub categories, and in many other places on Wikipedia, it is recommended that new stub types be proposed prior to creation at WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals. This helps to reach consensus about whether the new stub type is already covered by existing stub types, whether it is named according to stub naming guidelines, whether it is otherwise correctly formatted, whether it reaches the standard threshold for creation of a new stub type, and whether it crosses existing stub type hierarchies. Your new stub type is currently listed at WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries, where comments are welcome as to any rationale for this stub type. Please, in future, consider proposing new stub types first at WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals! Grutness...wha?  03:10, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Portal:Ras al-Khaimah
Portal:Ras al-Khaimah, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Ras al-Khaimah and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Portal:Ras al-Khaimah during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. JJ98 (Talk)  01:59, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Dina Wadia
Out of courtesy to your removal of the PROD on Dina Wadia, I wanted to let you know that I have created an AfD to discuss whether or not she meets the notability requirements necessary for her to have a stand alone article. The discussion can be found at Articles for deletion/Dina Wadia. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:32, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Karim Market
While I don't object to this (a bold move, but probably to the best), you have in effect merged the articles, without giving any attribution, see Help:Merging. --Muhandes (talk) 19:44, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. Mar4d (talk) 08:59, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks you. --Muhandes (talk) 09:33, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Dutch
Hello,Mar4d,Thanks for your opinion,I am Dutch National now,please help to edit category because I have been already blamed from..... Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 15:39, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply. I've categorised your article in Category:Dutch people of Pakistani descent and also listed your name on Pakistanis in the Netherlands. Mar4d (talk) 15:55, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Bahot bahot shukria,it is great pleasure to see your user page,about article you write that it requires structural improvement,you are right,actually it was a bit structural,but after cleanup and editing by many editors,now it is so what you have seen.It will be appreciated if you help to do it better.Here is one website,only for reading,noting something?.Thanks.Allah bless you in all way of life. http://www.urdusukhan.com/?p=64        Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 19:51, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Discussion result is keep. Thanks for all you help. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 20:27, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Need your opinion
http://www.urdutoday.com/content/terms-and-conditions

This is urdutoday.com (website) which is declared a forum,not website by User:Biker Biker

See deletion discussion.

while previously it was accepted a website by User:Nolelover,see talk page.

Please read terms and conditions,it is obvious that it is website,not forum.Help me to give your opinion on talk page.Thanks. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 13:41, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Need your opinion
http://www.urdutoday.com/content/terms-and-conditions

This is urdutoday.com (website) which is declared a forum,not website by User:Biker Biker

See deletion discussion.

while previously it was accepted a website by User:Nolelover,see talk page.

Please read terms and conditions,it is obvious that it is website,not forum.Help me to give your opinion on talk page.Thanks. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 13:49, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Revert on 13 July 2011 Mumbai bombings
Why would you revert it when I put it with a source? Every single thing that is added does not need to be discussed on the talk page. I am not watching your talk page, so please message me on my talk page or place a on my talk page. Thanks. warrior 4321   07:46, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * How can you be so confident of the number? Some say 17, some say 18 while others say 20 + ; don't you think this issue should be brought to the talk page first? Mar4d (talk) 07:50, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * All articles published after the press conference of the home minister are saying 17-18, as that is what he said. I have made a change in the article to state 17-18. Which articles are saying 20+ now? warrior  4321   07:55, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * 17-18 indeed seem to be the latest figures and should be mentioned. Thanks, Mar4d (talk) 07:58, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Non-free images and Template:User in Sindh
In this edit you restored the non-free image File:Flag of Sindh.PNG to the template. Per WP:NFCC #9, the use of non-free images in templates is not permitted. Please do not restore it again. If you have questions, ask. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 12:59, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Name confusion ...
Hi friend. Just came across Syed Ghulam Nabi Fai and thought to myself "wait a minute, did I do all those edits?" ... until I realized how much our usernames look alike if you are tired. MarB4  •ɯɒɹ• 13:54, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hehe....our usernames are indeed quite similiar as I can see too, and it is quite coincidental that we're editing the same page. It would be funny if someone went into the history of that page and saw our edits simultaneously. Wonder what the reaction would be (I too got tricked at first sight, by the way) :) Mar4d (talk) 00:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Regional power
Hi there, I don't know that much about South Asia so I don't oppose your view.. but you mentioned that there were sources that proved Pakistan as a regional power. Please can you add those, in the meantime I will keep Pakistan on the list of Regional Powers but remove the reference which was incorrectly cited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.81.168 (talk) 11:23, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I checked the p. 65 which you have quoted and nowhere does it question the claim, as you seem to be saying. In fact, the book generally quotes Pakistan a number of times among other secondary powers in their respective regions; eg. p65 says: "Do Egypt, Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Iran count as regional great powers? Do Pakistan, Argentina, Vietnam and South Korea? If they do, the list of such powers could stretch up to twenty." Indeed, the article itself lists some of these countries in their regional sections. p. 99 of the book also says: "The behaviour of the current four great powers and the leading aspirant (India) broadly confirms these two expectations, as does the behaviour of many regional powers from Israel and Turkey to Pakistan and the two Koreas"... There is then p. 133 which once again mentions Pakistan, this time in the context as a nuclear-armed state: "States that might otherwise be down in the ranks of regional powers (North Korea, Pakistan, Iran) can acquire WMD capabilities that give pause even to superpowers." In addition, there is p.71 which clearly mentions "India and Pakistan" when quoting the regional powers of South Asia.
 * In the regional power article, you may also notice the map which generally has some of the countries thought to be regional powers in their region shaded in green. Pakistan is clearly shaded on the map among various other states. Your claim that the reference has been incorrectly cited therefore seems to be incorrect. I have also checked the details of the book; it was published in 2004, and the name of the book itself is "The United States and the great powers: world politics in the twenty-first century" which implies that it is not even old or outdated yet but a recent work. Lastly, please note that this article is a list of regional powers, that is, countries which influence the power balance in their region to some extent and maintain some sort of regional hegemony, and are not neccessarily great super powers. You can scroll down to other regions and see middle power countries like Vietnam, Turkey, Nigeria, Iran etc. also listed. Unless you have any valid reason for your reverting edits, I am re-instating the reference. The onus is rather on you to substantiate your argument that challenges this claim. Cheers, Mar4d (talk) 11:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Feedback:Template
Thank you so much for taking an interest in the development. Im not a political scientists and I am not interested in Pakistan's politics. I am only constructing Bhutto's page because he was a notable figure during Cold-war. And, his [Bhutto] page was written poorly, copy-pasted, and based on what others might think. If you think its better, you are most welcome to add any link. And, if you are adding some facts, please, add sources. Again, Thank you so much.
 * No worries. Cheers :) Mar4d (talk) 05:11, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Sadia Shepherd
Sadia Shepherd's last Jewish ancestor lived in India. In fact her ancestors stopped being Jews before Pakistan was even formed. You can not say she in anyway has Pakistani Jewish ancestry.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:09, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The point I am trying to make is that she cannot be regarded as having 'Indian-Jewish' ancestry either because the Republic of India did not exist before 1947 too. Her family migrated to Pakistan, after its independence, and hence are Pakistani. If you are really inclined on not having the Pakistani-Jewish category, because of the history being pre-1947, I would suggest to also remove the Indian-Jewish category and probably just add "Category:American people of Jewish ancestry" as well as "Pakistani people of Jewish ancestry." Or something like that. Mar4d (talk) 04:18, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * A similar concern on Bangs (hip hop artist). If he moved to Australia from Sudan, and gave up Sudanese citizenship at that time, then there was never any time at which he was a South Sudanese citizen. Unless we have reason to believe he was still a citizen of Sudan at the time of the countries split, and due to where he previously lived became a citizen of South Sudan, we cannot say he is a South Sudanese emigrant. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:15, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Aah, yes. I am merely trying to follow this similiar discussion where the decision is to "remove the Sudan category from anything no longer part of Sudan." I do not think he can be called Sudanese either because the region he comes from is now an independent country. Mar4d (talk) 04:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If he immigrated from Sudan, then he was a "Sudanese emigrant". As long as he gave up his citizenship, that statement can never change.  His identity as an immigrant is defined based on the status he held at the time of immigration.  At least, that's what makes sense to me; I guess we could discuss it on the article talk page. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:37, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The issue is that Shepherd's last Jewish ancestor was a resident of India. India is not limited to the modern Republic of India.  Before the formation there was British India.  Thus we would accurately describe the emigrants from the Punjab to Caifornia in the 1910s as "Indian emigrants to the United States" because they came from what was then British India to the United States.  We would not have to determine which side of a line not drawn until 1947 they came from to properly classify them.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:44, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Some other good cats to look into on this matter are Category:Yugoslav emigrants to the United States and Category:Soviet emigrants to the United States and Category:Austro-Hungarian emigrants to the United States. We still have these cats even though none of these countries still exist.  Then there is category:German emigrants to the United States in which we include Polish-speaking emigrants from Poland who came to the US in 1917 or earlier (although realistically they probably all came before the US joined WWI in 1916, and mainly before the war started in 1914, but that is another issue).  The fact that Posen was put in Poland at the end of World War I, and that Germany still existed but with consticted boundaries is not relevant.  In emigration cats we categorize by the state of what countries were at the time the person left for their new country.  The one slight caviate is if you have evidence the person was granted citizenship by the new country even though they were abroad and then formally because a citizen of another country, but since wikipedia is uspposed to be based on published sources and these will more likely speak of when the person moved to a new country and not in generally tell us when they were naturalized and what citizenship they renounced at the time, it is generally best to us the date of movement unless it is clear some other date is more applicable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:52, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sadia Sheperd is in category Mujahir. Whether she qualifies as the American-born child of a muhajir is beyond what I care about right now.  The point is that the definition of this term is "a term used to describe the Muslim immigrants from India" to Pakistan.  They are people who emigrated from India to Pakistan, thus they were Indian before emigration and at least according to the wikipedia article on the matter did not come to Pakistan until after the particion of India.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:56, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. How about also adding Category:Pakistani people of Jewish descent simultaneously and in addition to that cat, just to clarify that she is a Pakistani Muhajir of Jewish descent? Mar4d (talk) 05:05, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Said Shepherd was born in the US. She is an American. Pakistani people are people who are from Pakistan, Shepherd is an American of Pakistani descent, she is not a Pakistani.  If there were an article on her mother you could put her mother in that cat.  However Pakistani people is meant for people who are Pakistani by nationality, not people born in other countries who had Pakistani parents (especially when it is only one parent who is Pakistani).  No every detail of a persons geneology needs to be used to put them in a category.  Categories are best used to cover the actions and events of peoples lives, and ancestral categories should not be multiplied unreasonably.  I guess you could add her to something like Category:Makers of films on Jewish subjects.  That would seem to be a much more useful category than trying to describe her truly weak connection to Judaism as a personal attribute cat.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Aimal Kasi
Hi, you added "He is reported to be of Pashtun ethnicity who belonged to the Kasi tribe" and used "Baluch, S. "Kansi’s funeral: mourners come in their thousands", DAWN, November 25, 2002." as a reference. The problem is that the link to the Dawn News doesn't show Aimal's story and "Baluch, S" is an ethnic Baloch and as far as I know they don't like Pashtuns, so we would still have a problem with his claim even if we find the actual news story. We would need another source to confirm this.--Mirwais Hotak (talk) 06:50, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Faisal Shahzad
You claimed that "there's more evidence that he's a Pashtun, not Kashmiri", can you share this evidence? I have provided 3 major sources which all say that F. Shahzad is of Kashmiri ethnic line. Growing up in a Pashtun territory, marrying a Pashtun woman, and identifying proudly with his tribal Pashtun heritage doesn't necessarily make him an ethnic Pashtun. His 2000 Pakistani passport states that he is of Kashmiri ethnic line.

In order to make a Pakistani passport Faisal had to provide his original official birth certificate and his National Identity Card (NIC) from National Database and Registration Authority to the Passport office (Directorate General Immigration and Passports of Ministry of Interior is responsible for issuing the passport). The NIC number is given to someone in Pakistan when they are born and registered, which is associated with the individual's father NIC number. It would make no sense for a Pashtun to falsify his ethnicity to a Kashmiri, I have never heard of anyone doing such.--Mirwais Hotak (talk) 07:19, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The sources you are talking about are very vague and only give a passing mention of his so-called Kashmiri ethnicity. Also note that it was Pakistani government officials who claimed he was Kashmiri, and that too was at a time when the incident happened and when information was still coming out. I can't even find on the internet what village he is from, or where his family's ancestral home is in Kashmir, if he is indeed from Pakistan administered Kashmir. If he is from Azad Kashmir, he would most likely be a speaker of the Kashmiri language, Potwari language or even Punjabi language - that's obviously not the case here. There's a lot more credible evidence about his residence and links to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa though and his Pashtun links. His father is a Pashtun, moreover there's a source where one of his supposed "uncles" clearly makes a reference of an American conspiracy to "bomb more Pashtuns" which again you removed. Because there's some uncertainty, we had Kashmiri and Pashtun both mentioned on the ethnicity section in the infobox yet you removed the Pashtun claim. I would suggest you not to remove information because there are multiple WP:RS which clearly substantiate him as a Pashtun. I am currently going to revert your edits. Bring the issue on the talk page of the article if you have any argument. Mar4d (talk) 08:17, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Your argument is very confusing. His uncle's opinion about "American conspiracy to bomb more Pashtuns" is irrelevant information because that is not the case. Nobody claimed that Shahzad was born in Kashmir or what his language is. He was born and grew up in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and obviously the official language of that province is Pashto. His father is Kashmiri based on the information provided by the Government of Pakistan, which includes his Passport information that are prepared by the Ministry of Interior and National Database and Registration Authority (NADRA). You can't make him a Pashtun just because you believe he is and when the Government of Pakistan is saying that he is Kashmiri. Obviously you have some kind of an agenda.--Mirwais Hotak (talk) 10:43, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The Government of Pakistan claim is outdated, not to mention vague, unclear and unsubstantiated. There are many sources which clarify his Pashtun ethnicity too. I don't understand what's irrelevant about his uncle's claim; in fact it clearly verifies Shahzad's family background in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. There's also this source which clearly mentions a family friend saying: "This is a tragedy for me and every Pakistani, every Pashtun." There is more than enough evidence in reliable sources that prove his ethnicity claims and also override your assumption that he is only Kashmiri. We need to present both sides and can not remove sourced information from the article. The only person who seems to have a WP:POV agenda in the distortion of facts seems to be you; Mar4d (talk) 11:12, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I think you are not reading the news reports. As for me I have read all of them word by word. The Pakistani Government claim cannot ever be outdated because the Pakistani passport, which was secured by Shahzad in the year 2000, cleary states that he is "Kashmiri" although he was born in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan. That alone is clear proof that his father is Kashmiri because in Pakistan children follow father's ethnic line. The source you cited for Pashtun actually says at the end that he is "Kashmiri" and that's the reason I keep removing it because it actually supports the "Kashmiri" claim. I think you should relax and take it easy since it's Ramadan. No matter how much you try to argue on this one you cannot go and change his ethnicity after it is already established in his official government records. Look at another thing also, many Kashmiris, Hindkos, Tajiks, Hazaras, Punjabis, Baloch, Brahuis, Uzbeks, and others live in Pashtun areas but regardless how much they become Pashtunized they are not Pashtuns by ethnicity.--Mirwais Hotak (talk) 12:17, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

I started a discussion on this here--Mirwais Hotak (talk) 12:23, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied. Mar4d (talk) 13:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Blocked for 24 hours
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 * I am not showing any active block on your account. I did find an autoblock and lifted it, since the original block appears to have expired.  Are you still blocked? Syrthiss (talk) 12:23, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Please use edit summaries.
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Before saving your changes to an article, please provide an edit summary&#32;for your edits. Doing so helps everyone understand the intention of your edit (and prevents legitimate edits from being mistaken for vandalism). It is also helpful to users reading the edit history of the page. Thank you. Lady of  Shalott  12:12, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Again, please start using edit summaries. Lady  of  Shalott  13:17, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not sure where you are referring to me not using edit summaries; also please note I am mostly adding categories and making minor edits; I do not believe my edits require edit summaries or clarification since they are insignificant in nature. Also, it is not a compulsion to make an edit summary all the time; I do make summaries but only when neccessary. Thanks, Mar4d (talk) 13:19, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The places that I noticed it are the article on Zuaain somebody and Pakistani Atheists and Agnostics. However, I looked at your contributions before commenting here and I saw a huge list with almost no edit summaries. Even when edits are minor, it is helpful to other editors to see an edit summary. It doesn't have to be a big thing: you could use, for instance, "cat" to indicate adding categories. It's a matter of courtesy to your fellow editors. (Heck you didn't even use an edit summary such as "tb" when adding the talkback to my talk page, even though you know I am specifically requestiing their use!) Lady  of  Shalott  13:27, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mar4d - your newly created category has been speedily deleted as an exact re-creation of a category deleted via WP:SFD in May this year. It was deleted because there is no indication that the necessary threshold number of stubs exists to populate the category to a viable level. You would have been told this, had you proposed the category prior to creation at WP:WSS/P, as is recommended at WP:STUB. Please, in future, if you think that a stub category (or template) is needed, consider proposing it first! Grutness...wha?  11:45, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That's because I was in the process of populating it! Will try to propose it in future. Mar4d (talk) 00:23, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The usual threshold's 60 stubs. If you can find that many stubs and propose a category, I'll support its creation :) Grutness...wha?  06:30, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Sindh
yes, I please to join this stub ilyas 17:43, 28 August 2011 (UTC)   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sindhi91 (talk • contribs)

Urdu scripts
Thank you for your suggestion. Hindustanilanguage (talk) 07:22, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Your removal of content from Persian article
Hi you mentioned that the "languages of india" article does not mention the Persian language as being actively spoken in India. Please read the article again as it is there in black and white.Zenbb (talk) 22:53, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Look, you can't use a Wikipedia article as a reference or citation in another Wikipedia article. You need to provide reliable sources (please see Wiki policy on WP:RS). The article you are reffering to says nothing about Persian language apart from the fact that it had an important role in the country's history; there's no backup source to verify the status of Persian as a spoken language in the modern day country. If you can find and add a reliable citation on the Persian language article, that'd be great. Mar4d (talk) 09:58, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Madiha Iftikhar
I tried to edit "career" section of Madiha Iftikhar because the link "Pappu" which originally formed part of the article was leading to wrong links. I wonder if Pappu is a TV show/ Film/ Drama, etc. Please correct this as I believe are you are originally hailing from the country of this thespian and can probably help me in editing this article. Regards, Hindustanilanguage (talk) 10:36, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm...I tried to search the mainspace but cannot locate any article on a television series by the name of "Pappu." I think no article has been created on Wikipedia on such a television show. What you did (i.e. removed the link to the Pappu page) is correct because it is a WP:disambiguation page and the general rule is to not link anything to a disambiguation article on Wikipedia. I would suggest just leaving the reference to the Pappu television series as it is, without being linked since it obviously does not exist. Mar4d (talk) 11:18, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, just another short reminder - please remember to enclose the Urdu text in brackets as I just did in Madiha Iftikhar. Also, instead of using :اردو, please write "Urdu" before the text instead because 1) This is how transliterations are normally added for texts in foreign languages and 2) A person who does not read Urdu would have no idea what the "اردو" is; this is the precise reason why we write Urdu in English and then the text in the script itself so that the reader can understand that this foreign script is the transliterated name of the person in the Urdu language. Cheers, Mar4d (talk) 11:23, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 23:16, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Article Name
Please tell me how to change the name of article. I have made an article of Pakistani film and the name of it is written wrong. How can I change the main article name.--Jozoisis (talk) 10:47, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There should be an arrow located next to the "star" button (which is used to add something to your watchlist) alongside the tabs for "read", "edit" and "view history." If you click on the arrow, there should be an option in a drop-down menu that says "move." Click on that and write the desired title of the article in the space allocated for "To new title" and you're all done. Mar4d (talk) 08:25, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Aah, I think if you are a new user, you might not be able to access that option yet. I think (I'm not sure) that you have to have a couple of edits here to be able to see that arrow. If that's the case, then let me know and I can do it for you. Cheers, Mar4d (talk) 08:27, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Improved and updated information is much going. I need you're help Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 00:14, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Turkey Wikipedia administration
Category:Turkey Wikipedia administration, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 03:24, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Turkey-related WikiProjects
Category:Turkey-related WikiProjects, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 03:25, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi
I had seen your constructive edits on the article Razaul Jabbar, I wish if you can contribute for the article Omar Khalidi specially if you can provide Omar Khalidi date of birth. thanks--Omer123hussain (talk) 18:46, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Why are you deliberately changing and removing information on some articles, especially when it's sourced? You have given no reason why you are continously removing the paragraph about Muhajirs from the articles, which describes them as a major ethnic group. Going through your edit log, it also seems that you are trying to make everything anti-MQM (such as on the Karachi riots articles, the target killings article or on (Wali Khan Babar) and directly tampering with sources and sourced material to give a politically biased view of things. This is against WP:NPOV and is not allowed here at Wikipedia; you have to stay neutral at all times. If you continue with your disruptive edits, I will report you to the admins and you may get blocked from editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward.Didier (talk • contribs) 09:56, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Imran Farooq
Hi, have you got either a self declaration from Farooq referring to himself as a muhajir or some citations that refer to him as a Muhajir? To me Farooq is a Pakistani son of a Muhair. Son of an immigrant. Muhajir people (Pakistan), Muslim immigrants from India, Burma and other parts of South Asia that migrated to Pakistan after 1947 and are predominantly native Urdu speakers. Off2riorob (talk) 10:56, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Copyright concerns
Hello there. After noticing some similarities in a couple of articles, and identifying the contributing author as you, I have some rather serious copyright concerns about your contributions. this entry, for example, is clearly copied verbatim from this article, to which you were not the sole contributor. Similarly, this draft, attributed to you, is clearly copied from here. this draft, again attributed to you, is copied from here. Wikipedia takes failed attribution and copyright violations very seriously; the Foundation that runs the project can find itself legally liable, as can individual editors such as yourself, if they are allowed to persist. As such, it is imperative that you immediately fix these problems, or I will be forced to take this to a wider circle of editors - and, if evidence turns up that this is a long-term problem, possibly result to blocking your ability to edit. Read Copyrights and Copying within Wikipedia; then follow the instructions here and please, for both your sake and the sake of the projects as a whole, fix this problem. Ironholds (talk) 17:05, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've also just found this and this; simply saying "split" is not enough. Read the above guides, carefully and slowly, and then fix the problem. Ironholds (talk) 17:06, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you referring to the attribution template (Template:Copied)? I'm sorry, I was not fully aware of some of the guidelines about copying content within Wikipedia and understand that this is a serious issue. I have fixed the problem by going through my list of all the articles that I ever created on Wikipedia and have now listed the attribution templates on the talk pages of the respective articles where large chunks of text were copy-pasted. Please go through my contributions' log to see the talk pages of these articles and let me know if there is anything still wrong. Will be more careful in the future; Regards, Mar4d (talk) 02:05, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. There are also straightforward copyright violations; this is substantially copied from this, this has some text identical to this and this contains text from this source without attribution, making it plagiarism. Kidnapping of Warren Weinstein also contained substantial copyright violations; I'm not sure why it was deleted, but trust me, it's not coming back. Given the extent of these issues, and the fact that some of them are straightforward violations of copyright law, you've got 24 hours to fix them and then explain your understanding of copyright; if you can't adequately convince me that you know where you went wrong and won't repeat it, I'm going to have to preventatively block you. Ironholds (talk) 09:23, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I have fixed the above mentioned issues by providing attributions. However, having done this, there are a few points that I would like to mention:


 * It seems that you are confusing text that has been copied within Wikipedia with online copyright violations. The only copy-pasting that I have done, if any, has occured only within Wikipedia (from Wikipedia articles); I have not been involved in any sort of incident regarding plagiarising text from online sources and websites. During the few instances where I may have copied content within Wikipedia, I failed to provide attributions, but I have fixed these issues now. Also, the recent cases you have pointed above seem to have arisen more as a case of performing WP:MERGE rather than online plagiarising.
 * The content that I introduced into the Islami Jamiat-e-Talaba article was merged by me as per WP:BOLD from Islami Jamiat Talba, which in effect was another duplicate article on the same organisation. I merged the latter into the former and also redirected the latter into the former. Thus, all information was unified during the process; I did not add or delete anything. I am not responsible for any information in the article that may be substantially copied from the nedjamiat.org website and this concern should instead be conveyed to the user who is attributed for initially publishing content here at Wikipedia that incidentally matches that in the site.
 * I am quite certain that there is no direct word-to-word copied (plagiarised) text in the article Tourism in Balochistan, Pakistan. The link you have given is dead and does not work. Besides, most of the information in the article has been written by me and the only source I used in the article is this. Again, I can't locate any word-to-word copied sentence.
 * The third link you have quoted is that of me inserting content into the History of Lahore article. I would like to make it clear that the information which I inserted into the article in that diff. is not attributed to me but in fact was being merged from the article Hindu Raj in Lahore (which is now a redirect). I later merged information from the articles Early Muhammadan period in Lahore and Sikh Rule in Lahore into the History of Lahore article too; both these articles are currently redirects as well (I saw them as redundant and therefore chose to merge the content that these three articles were bearing into the main History of Lahore article, and subsequently make them redirects). I have provided attributions for merging information from these articles, which can be seen on the talk page of History of Lahore; I did not add or delete anything during the unification. Again, I am not responsible for any information in the article that may be substantially copied from this Google Books source since I am not attributed for publishing the material but was merely performing a merger. Therefore, the concern of straightforward online copyright violation in the article needs to be conveyed to the user who actually holds the attribution for the content.
 * You claim that the deleted article Kidnapping of Warren Weinstein "also contained substantial copyright violations" yet I highly doubt that you had even seen the article. I do not recall any type of excessive plagiarism having taken place. I made a fair bit of effort on the article in question; it was a decent-sized article with good structure and had at least ten citations. My complaint about the deletion of this article is that even if the topic was not "notable" (as the deleting admin stated), the correct procedure would have been to list it over at WP:AfD as per Wikipedia policy which obviously did not happen. I am well within my rights to be entitled to my opinion that the deletion of this article did not take place as according to procedure. Anyhow, I have a copy of this article at User:Mar4d/Sandbox 2 (in the same form before its removal); please go through the draft and notify me all substantial copyright violations present in it, if any, on this talk page. Mar4d (talk) 13:19, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Re "I highly doubt you've ever seen the article" - I'm a system administrator. I can see deleted articles. I'm just looking through the rest of your comments and verifying them now. Ironholds (talk) 13:38, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, re the rest; (1) text copied within Wikipedia is still a copyright violation (2) you still need to provide attribution from merges, (3) you are still responsible for any copyright violations in the content you copy, even if the content you copy is from within Wikipedia (saying "it was already there, I just copied it, not my problem" is wrong. Copying it made it your problem) and I've accumulated a small excel file of the copyright violations and obvious problematic bits from the Winstein article; if you drop me an email, I can send it over. I'd rather not copy the chunks here given that the objective is to avoid spreading the violations about. Ironholds (talk) 15:47, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Umm....where can I find your address? Mar4d (talk) 03:23, 23 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Try Special:EmailUser/Ironholds. Ironholds (talk) 04:03, 23 September 2011 (UTC)