User talk:Mar4d/Archive 9

Take a look
Hey, how is it going? I created another good and ambitious article, Threat Matrix, need you to look at it. Also, don't forget to contribute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeerBaba (talk • contribs) 08:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Great article. I'll try to give it a look whenever I'm free. Regards,  Mar4d  ( talk ) 09:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Template:User Pakistani wikipedian
Hello Mar4d. I have created a template, hope it to get place on our userpages. Get there, and fix, if needed. Fai zan  10:25, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Favour
You're pretty good at templates. Can you suggest any improvements to this one I am working on? Darkness Shines (talk) 09:27, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * A great template DS. I will try to help you out too. Fai  zan  11:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Multiple accounts
محمد افضل has created a dozen+ usernames/accounts. And at least one of those new accounts was used to create even more accounts. I don't see any disruptive editing from the few accounts I've looked at, but I can't figure out the rationale for having so many different accounts. (See: WP:MULTIPLE.) You are an experienced editor, please enlighten me. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 15:56, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you might be perceiving those accounts to be his - they're not. They're registered accounts belonging to other people, he just appears to be creating their userpages with userboxes. I cannot comment on why he's doing that, but as far as those userpages are concerned, they are of registered accounts of other people.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 16:09, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * A-Hah! Now I understand. Thanks so very much. – S. Rich (talk) 16:14, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Cheers.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 16:17, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

New article
I am so keen to create new article about GB but this topic confuses me as i don,t know the relation of Balti food and Baltistan though it has good reputation in Europe and US any way i want to start it and thanks for defending me :) Baltistani (talk) 06:57, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. Balti food is a style of cooking that became popular in the United Kingdom and according to cooking experts, it is said to have its origins in Baltistan. So this is definitely one topic that could be covered in an article about Gilgit-Baltistan cuisine. In general, the article should cover everything about the food of Gilgit Baltistan. That includes Baltistan, Gilgit, and all other regions of GB. I look forward to working with you. Maybe we could start of by finding some sources.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 07:12, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

User:Mar4d/Tamils_in_Pakistan
Hello Mar4d,

I noticed that your second reference in User:Mar4d/Tamils_in_Pakistan is a blogspot.com website. Please keep in mind that blogs are frowned upon on Wikipedia, as they are not considered "reliable" or "reputable." Although I understand this is on your user space, being the reason why I did not edit it myself, I would highly suggest that if you are submitting that page to become an article on Wikipedia, you should remove that reference and insert another source that is not only reputable, but verifies the information on your article. Please let me know if you have any questions about my suggestion or anything in general. --JustBerry (talk) 19:48, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I was having the same qualms while using it as a reference. The scarcity of sources available on the subject don't really help. But anyway, I'll deal with the blogspot reference.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 05:12, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, if you're unsure about a reference, it's best not to put it. Anyways, let me know if you have any questions on my talk page (I will be un-watching this page). --JustBerry (talk) 11:21, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Wow, thanks Anirvan. Wasn't expecting this :)  Mar4d  ( talk ) 05:15, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Read before editing
In your latest edit you accuse me of removing images. A quick look at the diff shows I did not remove a single image. You, on the other hand, removed both an image and loads of sourced content, again. I don't know if you vandalize on purpose or if you're just reverting without bothering to even check what you're reverting. In either case, you have been removing large numbers of WP:RS in a short time, hence the last warning above. Next offence and you'll be reported.Jeppiz (talk) 08:35, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Let's see, here is the difference between the article version from 30 June to the current version until your revert. All I see is repositioning of images, correction of 'see also' and 'main article' links, removal of honorifics like "madam", "doctor" and other minor formatting. I still don't see any substantial removal of content. A sentence/paragraph or two might have been changed, and if you had objected to that, the correct action would have been to add that back in rather than revert all the other edits, which were an improvement of the article. Your accusation against me of "lies" is not true, as I can clearly see that an image of Bhutto had been inserted: File:Benazir bhutto 1988.jpg - it wasn't in the article before. Neither was File:Long Live Pakistan.jpg in the article before. And the same applies to File:Nasim Zehera interviewing Mike Mullen in 2010.jpg. There might be some other ones too. Your revert removed those out of the article, and you also inserted a deleted image back into the article File:Lahorigirl.jpg in the 'Dress code' section - which had been correctly removed. And while reverting, you probably did not realise, but you've also added in a blank line here. While you're at it, also read up WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF and WP:DTTR - sending out warnings and levelling accusations against experienced users is not really a wise thing to do.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 09:10, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm well aware of WP:CIVIL and WP:DTTR, thanks. I apply them to most users, as most users here are civil and responsible. When you lie about my edits, you breach WP:CIVIL and should not be surprised to be met with less polite behavior. Likewise, I would expect better from a regular than massive and repeated removal of sourced content. So instead of citing policies, perhaps you should first consider if your own actions may have caused it?

Here's a list of what you deleted, not only once but twice All these changes either removes a sourced statement, or alter the statement to say something else than the source. And this is not something you did once, you've been repeating it.Jeppiz (talk) 10:22, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The sourced statement Trafficking of women is on the rise in Pakistan. Foreign women from Afghanistan, Bangladesh, and Myanmar are brought to Pakistan and sold. 
 * You removed the sourced addition of Afghanistan from a paragraph, this is the text you removed ''Afghanistan,
 * From the same paragraph, you deleted and other nearby countries. 
 * Still in the same paragraph, you changed the precise According to Taru Bahl and M.H. Syed to the very vague According to some
 * Further down, you changed a sourced sentence to insert  by Taliban or their followers, not in line with the source and in violation of WP:OR.
 * First of all, I did not make any of those edits that you mention above. They were made by another user. I only reverted your edit because, while reverting the other user, you removed some other edits that were good. I've already stated my position on the above, which is that you should restore what you think were inappropriate changes, but not at the cost of the good edits. The changes were not very substantial as you claim. You could have done that by re-adding the removed content while not reverting the other changes that I've pointed out. It's better than making blanket reverts which actually end up doing more harm to the article. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge errors made by your revert, and the way you've chosen to go on an all-out offensive by attributing edits I didn't make in the first place to me, and also your accusations against me of "lying" are unacceptable and irresponsible. Again, you're welcome to restore the removed content but don't remove the pictures and other minor formatting. Accuse me of "lying" again, and I will take the liberty to remove your comments from my talk page. Thank you,  Mar4d  ( talk ) 10:47, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Listen, you say I should not blanket revert, yet you blanket reverted twice yourself, deleting several sources by doing so. You say I refuse to acknowledging errors when I the first time accidentally removed some images, yet you acknowledge no error in repeatedly deleting several sources. If you had even bothered to take a look at the diff before blanket reverted, you would have seen that I had restored all images and sources in my edit, yet you went ahead and blanket reverted again, removing many sources. Sorry if 'lying' insulted you, I'll rephrase it to 'what you said was not true'.Jeppiz (talk) 11:56, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, you've restored the images which is fine. But the minor formatting changes, as of now, still stay reverted. I will get to that article in a moment and will make those again, while keeping the changes made through your revert. That should be a compromise.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 12:25, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with that. Unfortunately, the nationalist who initially removed all the sources are at it again, and have again reverted the page, removing all the sources. Could I kindly ask you to revert him.Jeppiz (talk) 13:34, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The article Women in Pakistan is dedicated to Pakistani women, go to Talk:Women in Pakistan.--Fareed30 (talk) 13:52, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You should discuss your point of view on the talk page, as I've indicated.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 14:00, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Mumbai attack & Indian govt involvement allegation
Hello Mar4d How can the dispute on inclusion of Mumbai attack allegation on indian government be solved, it seems that personal biases are hindering this in the article. Can you advice. this is really strange and somehow contradictory to policies and practices of Wikipedia. I am fully confirmed that this allegation is eligible for addition to this article as (a) it is based on reliable and published source i.e. Times of India, Indian news journal, Dawn, The Nation, Hindustan Times, The Hindu and many other news websites, (b) it fulfill the notability criteria as the event is on news in India, Pakistani, Canada, Gulf and many other countries, (c) it does not fall in any category of “What Wikipedia is not (d) it fulfils the criteria of “Verifiability not truth” (e) it is neutral point of view. so even if it is fringe theory it fulfills all possible criteria for inclusion.--Rexel2 (talk) 15:14, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello
You can have a look here. Thanks. - Ascetic Rosé   09:24, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Right-Left politics
There isn't need for Left-wing politics in Pakistan article because it already exist in the name of "Socialism in Pakistan." Socialism and communism falls under the domain of Left quadrant of the political plane. Yes, but there is need for Conservatism (which falls in Right-wing quadrant) page. Little work was added in Islam in Pakistan, but this is only for religion not politics. If you create the page, I would gladly helped you out (with citations) in finishing the article.

In that page, the Pakistan wikipedia community can add Taliban insurgency as well. Contributions are always welcome. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeerBaba (talk • contribs) 22:32, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * In that case, how about renaming the Socialism in Pakistan article? Yes, they are related and overlap in many areas but generally socialism and communism are two separate terms. If that article is renamed to Left-wing politics in Pakistan, then we can cover everything from socialism to communism, anarchism, maoism and other leftist ideologies in Pakistan. The current title is "socialism in Pakistan", which means we can't really discuss other leftist ideologies as it would go out of scope. As far as the right-wing politics article is concerned, I agree. If I get time, I will try to start work on that in a couple of days maybe but you're always welcome to create the article before me if you want.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 23:10, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm I've changed my mind. Taking a look at some other country socialism articles, they do indeed discuss communism and left-wing in their articles. So perhaps we could stay with the current title. For the right-wing article, I think a good title would be Conservatism in Pakistan. So we have two opposites, conservatism and socialism. Right-wing politics in Pakistan can redirect to the conservatism article while Left-wing politics in Pakistan can be created as a redirect to the socialism article. Your thoughts on this?  Mar4d  ( talk ) 23:19, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * We also need an article on Liberalism in Pakistan as the liberals are an entirely different lot in Pakistan from the conservatives and socialists :)  Mar4d  ( talk ) 23:22, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 10:34, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

May you help

 * Would you please take a look at Fareed Parbati, may you help to add categories and copy edit if needed.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 12:00, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Fai zan  06:47, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Was it necessary? Fai  zan  16:17, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's a personal thing.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 16:23, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I am no one to interfere. Keep it up. Fai  zan  16:37, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Category question
Shouldn't this be a subcat of Category:Pakistani exiles? -- S M S  Talk 08:06, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it should be! Fai  zan  13:23, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably not, because a fugitive wanted by the Government of Pakistan can be a non-Pakistani citizen too. Also, a fugitive is not necessarily always an exiled person. It includes anyone who is the on the run, and that refers to someone who has entered another country illegally too.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 13:04, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Can you make similar categories to Category:Military bases in Sindh, for military installations in other provinces. Really confusing for me when it comes to categories. -- S M S  Talk 18:38, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You mean a Pakistani equivalent categorisation system like this one? Sure, I'll get on board with that. Also, the naming of the categories should probably be "Category:Military installations in X province" rather than "Military bases in X" so that the names can match the top-level category Category:Military installations of Pakistan. So the Sindh category needs to be moved/renamed anyway.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 12:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes exactly like the categorisation of US mil facilities statewise. Ans yes it should be consistent. I guess would be easy for you. :P -- S M S  Talk 17:09, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 17:11, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.
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Sindhu
Hi! I made some changes to the Sindhu (disambiguation) page. Is that ok? Please verify. → Vijay [talk] 16:11, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks fine!  Mar4d  ( talk ) 16:12, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please tell me if further changes needed. → Vijay [talk] 16:15, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Burka Avenger
Alex ShihTalk 12:04, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

How
How it is official name,is it according to UN?How can it be azaad. ---zeeyanwiki discutez 10:35, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, the official name is Azad Kashmir just like how every country and province on earth has a name.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 10:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * UN is not the sovereign entity holding the territory. Now why will you waste your time on something as unimportant as that. -- lTopGunl (talk) 10:38, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Btw, just browsing around... saw this. User:Mar4d/Kashmir banega Pakistan. I didn't even think that this slogan could ever be put on wiki in a neutral way... but it is popular enough to be there atleast even if it was described as a Pro Pakistan Kashmiris' view. Should be a barnstar moment when you take this to main space. -- lTopGunl (talk) 10:51, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed, it is a very popular slogan and deserves an article of its own :)  Mar4d  ( talk ) 10:58, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * @TopGun.Doesn't matter because "kashmir never will be Pakistan".Dreaming is a good thing.Keep going. ---zeeyanwiki discutez 11:00, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That never was the debate... wikipedia debates would be about whether or not that slogan is actually notable. You can go to some forum to debate about real world opinions. -- lTopGunl (talk) 11:02, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

ANI
I have requested administrative assistance over your editing against the RFC consensus at the article Azad Kashmir, you may respond here. Darkness Shines (talk) 11:11, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks.
Thanks for inviting me to WikiProject Pakistan. Cheers. --Fasi100 (talk) 11:22, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome to the project :)  Mar4d  ( talk ) 11:34, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

List of Presidents of Pakistan
Hi Mar4d, please have a look here. Regards, Zia Khan 02:53, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks good, anything in particular you'd like me to look at?  Mar4d  ( talk ) 02:59, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The last sentence of the blurb: Zardari will leave and Mamnoon will get in the same day, is there any conflict or not? Zia Khan 03:16, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh I get it. So this will be featured on the main page the same day that the Presidency changes? If that is the case, then the last sentence definitely needs to be updated. Perhaps, keeping in line with WP:CURRENT, it should be something like "Mamnoon Hussain is the current President of Pakistan, seceding Asif Ali Zardari on 9 September 2013." It also depends if the blurb will be featured on main page before or after the oath-taking ceremony. If before, then the sentence should be in future tense. If after, the sentence would be better in present tense. And once the news of the transition of Presidency gets old, we can further modify the sentence after a couple of days and just reduce the sentence to "Mamnoon Hussain is the current President of Pakistan".  Mar4d  ( talk ) 04:27, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Salah listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Template:Salah. Since you had some involvement with the Template:Salah redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). BDD (talk) 21:42, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Assessment
Hello, iDonate Pakistan needs some improvement and assessment, please have a look at the talk page. Zia Khan 20:51, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:Lang-ur2


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Project
Hey, lately I've been working on List of universities in Pakistan page. I have upgraded various universities pages but I encounter one problem. We need to have a template as akin to that India's. Take a look at Indian template; we need that with HEC ranking. My suggestion is, we should not copy India's template. Check out HEC's criteria of determining the process of HEC's ranking.

All I am saying (with your willingness), I need help with the template info box of Pakistan's university. Can you help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeerBaba (talk • contribs) 08:14, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

ScREC (supercomputer)
Do you happen to know what operating system is running on it? ScotXW (talk) 00:19, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

British India
I noticed you were the person who added the link to British India into the header of Category:Colonial schools in India. You might want to participate in the discussion of Category:Colonial schools in India at CfD, where this issue is being more thoroughly debated.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:05, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe I have already casted my opinion there in support of the rename proposal.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 15:08, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Malik Noureed Awan - which version should stand?
You have recently edited Malik Noureed Awan. Please see Talk:Malik Noureed Awan and contribute your thoughts. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  19:06, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

برطانوی پاکستانی
New Article in Urdu Wikipedia upon your request.

--Tahir Mahmood (talk) 06:06, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :)  Mar4d  ( talk ) 12:02, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the Barnstar. Gives a good feeling. --Tahir Mahmood (talk) 12:37, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Naguib Kheraj
The Vice-Chairman of Barclays bank PLC has been reverted to the British Pakistanis article. Kheraj, pictured here: http://www.blueprintforbusiness.org/Home/Conferences/Launch-Conference-2012/Speakers/Naguib-Kheraj is also member of the Pakistan recovery fund having shown a "commitment to the people of Pakistan": http://pakistanrecovery.org/who-we-are/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.61.232 (talk) 16:12, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * None of the links you have provided support your assertion. -- S M S   Talk 16:33, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Pages "Pashtun People" and "Pashtun diaspora" being trivialized
Hello, just wanted to involve you in unsubstantiated information being introduced into the pages "Pashtun people" and "Pashtun diaspora". Numbers that are being fabricated to raise the population of Pashtun in India to over 11 million without any such information in the Indian census. Also comments such as: "Yes the two Indian women are not Pathan but the point in this is that nearly all Pashtuns (especially Pashtun/Pathan) women are so much in love with Bollywood films and they see Indian female celebrities something as role models.)" and "Pashtuns, especially their females, love watching Indian films and dramas." Ill leave it to your discretion to fix this. Tired of getting into an edit battle with a couple of users. See discussion at User talk:Jackmcbarn regarding this. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:28, 25 October 2013 (UTC) 184.175.27.29 (talk) 20:52, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Turkish politics
Hello Mar4d,

Are you still involved in Turkish politics articles? If yes you may be interested in my changes to "turkish politics" otherwise you may wish to delete the project. Jzlcdh (talk) 20:52, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Pakistan User Group
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Your opinion is valued at WikiProject Breakfast
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Festivals in Pakistan
Since you were interested in keeping those tehwaar calendar articles for creating articles on festival topics that don't already have an article, so wanted to let you know that there is an old version of article List of festivals in Pakistan, where that list is saved. Due to a turn of events (that I don't remember now) I had to nominate it for deletion. -- S M S   Talk 18:49, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It's okay, I already had a copy of it saved offline, but thanks for the notification :)  Mar4d  ( talk ) 12:01, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't this be merged with Public holidays in Pakistan and turned into a single better looking article? Much of it is repeating. Actually the version SMS linked looks quite detailed... combining it all with refs can take it to GA. -- lTopGunl (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 16:23, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably not. Festivals and public holidays are two different things. And in Pakistan, not all festivals are holidays :)  Mar4d  ( talk ) 15:54, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * And not all holidays are festivals also. -- S M S   Talk 16:00, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ditto.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 16:03, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed, do add some differentiating text then so that some one else doesn't think so because of the overlap. The festivals one can go on to become a long list then. -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 13:08, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Explanation for removal of sources
You reverted my edits in the page Raheel Sharif. The lead section contains only one info that he is the new army chief and the news reports that are given as sources are more or less similar. No need for 5 or 6 sources just to clarify that he is the new army chief. thats why i removed the sources. hope you will understand.Rameshnta909 (talk) 10:26, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 15:06, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you
It was really nice to hear from you. Merry Christmas to you too. I came back with a mission. I am thinking of promoting all Pakistan stubs to C-class at least. Do you have any suggestions for articles? Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 21:51, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Raheel Sharif
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the 2014 WikiCup!
Hello Mar4d, and welcome to the 2014 WikiCup! Your submission page can be found here. The competition will begin at midnight tonight (UTC). There have been a few small changes from last year; the rules can be read in full at WikiCup/Scoring, and the page also includes a summary of changes. One important rule to remember is that only content on which you have completed significant work, and nominated, in 2014 is eligible for points in the competition- the judges will be checking! As ever, this year's competition includes some younger editors. If you are a younger editor, you are certainly welcome, but we have written an advice page at WikiCup/Advice for younger editors for you. Please do take a look. Any questions should be directed to one of the judges, or left on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup. Signups will close at the end of January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will make it to round 2. Good luck! , and  17:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year

 * Thank you, and a happy new year to you too ;)  Mar4d  ( talk ) 13:39, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

descent, emigrants and expatriates.
Well lets start with the most easy. Category:American people of Pakistani descent is for people who are American citizens but have Pakistani ancestors. This is a bit odd of a category, since Pakistan only has existed since 1947, so someone whose family immigrated from Lahore to the United States in 1912 does not qualify. To illustrate Ayad Akhtar belongs in this category, since he was born in the US, but his parents were immigrants from Pakistan. Category:Pakistani emigrants to the United States is a sub-category, meaning by definition all its contents fit in the parent, but it is more specialized. This category is for people who were born or lived in Pakistan as nationals of that country (the later is important, since Pakistan only has existed since 1947) but are now in the United States, in theory as at least permanent residents, I will get to why that is so tricky in a minute. This category should not be used for anyone who came to the US before the start of 1947, they belong in the India category. It should be used for anyone coming from what was then Pakistan from 1947 to 1971. In general the people can have made stops along the way, but if they were born in Britain to Pakistani parents and now live in the US they belong in Category:American people of Pakistani descent.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:11, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

On your third point, Category:Pakistani expatriates in the United States, this is a head-ache causer I am not sure we understand. Expatriates are in theory not emigrants at all. They are Pakistanis who just happen to be in the United States. The cases that come to mind the fastest are diplomats. However in theory many college studnets fit this mold, although many are functionally immigrants who have not received permanent status but will after graduation, so the issue is a little of a mess. There are large number of professional athletes who fit in expatriate categories. On the other had, Henry Cavill to illustrate a British example I know a lot more about than any Pakistani examples, is not in Category:British expatriates in Italy, British expatriates in Canada and Category:British expatriates in the United States, although as an actor he has had prominent roles in films made in all those locales, and may well be currently in the US to prep for filming of the next Superman film. This is actually a problem with the expatriates category. [Mitt Romney]] spending two years as a Mormon missionary in France is probably enough to define him an expatriate there, but what do we do about Ron Esplin who spent 2 years in a Mormon mission covering 5 or more countries? Some actually think we should get rid of such categories all together, although there are just so many that they stay more by inertia than anything else. The best I can tell you is that if the person spends more than 10 years in a new country continuously, call them an emigrant. Another example is Munni Begum who was in the expatriates category, but the article explicitly called her an American national. If they are in any way described as American they need to be in the emigrants category. If their place of birth is unknown but it is known they have Pakistani ancestry, put them in Category:American people of Pakistani descent.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:11, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Some articles will explicitly state that the subject "emigrated". In this case they should be put in the emigrant category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:22, 8 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the very detailed explanation :) It is indeed confusing and ambiguous many times when it comes to dealing with these categories due to the perceived overlaps, but this makes it a lot clearer. So from what I understand, the descent category is for an American citizen born in the US to Pakistani parents while the emigrant category applies to someone who was born in Pakistan and was a Pakistani national but migrated to the U.S. later, where they became long-term residents (and may have also become naturalised U.S. citizens along the way). On the other hand, the expatriate category is for anyone who lives temporarily in the U.S., and did not become an American citizen or a long-term U.S. resident, which can include diplomats, students, sportspersons or transient migrants. Sounds pretty clear now, hopefully I can get this right whenever I categorise someone next time.


 * I was actually in a bit of a fix over how to categorise Nasreddin Murat-Khan. The person in question is a Pakistani architect of Russian origin. He was born in 1904 in Dagestan (which was part of the Russian Empire back then) and escaped to Germany in 1944 as a refugee when Dagestan was part of the Soviet Union. In 1950, he migrated from Germany to Pakistan with his family where he became a citizen and lived the rest of his life. So ideally, he would be categorised into Category:Soviet expatriates in Germany (as he lived there for an odd five or six years) and into Category:Soviet emigrants to Pakistan (as Pakistan became his adopted country and permanent residence)?  Mar4d  ( talk ) 17:15, 8 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually, part of me thinks Murat-Khan should go in Category:Soviet emigrants to Germany and then Category:German emigrants to Pakistan. 6 years is a long time to not be an emigrant. I think one thing is that especially sportspeople while they are notable for being in one place, often regularly return to their place of origin. Murat-Khan had permanently fled the SOviet Union, with no chance of going back, so I would count him as an emigrant.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:47, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, will adjust accordingly.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 17:57, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Help!
One of my created article is nominated for deletion, can you have a look please and make a comment in discussion? Thanks! UBS talk  09:56, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Chaudhry Aslam Khan
Plz add references to the 'personal life' section inserted by you in the article Chaudhry Aslam Khan.Rameshnta909 (talk) 11:55, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Nasreddin Murat-Khan
Thanks from the wiki and the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 08:03, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Dail Jones
Since Dail Jones was born in British India, not New Zealand, he might fit in Category:Pakistania emigrants to New Zealand, but not the other way around. It is unclear from his biography that he was a New Zelander in anyway before going there in the late 1950s.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:36, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 06:19, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

British Mirpuri community
Hi,

Thanks for your edits on the British Mirpuri community article.

As someone who is from the UK, I can confirm however that Govt ethnicity questionnaires often have a Kashmiri checkbox. (as opposed to Indian or Pakistani, however strange it is..)

I don't have a reference for this but it is anecdotally something that is present in the UK. If I get a source, I'll send it on to you.

Regards

--RaviC (talk) 13:40, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, found it. You can see the recognised ethnicity codes here in the DEd website:

□ Mirpuri Pakistani - AMPK □ Kashmiri Pakistani - AKPA □ Kashmiri Other - ASNL


 * There's quite a lot of choice for the Kashmiri community to identify as, as you can see.


 * A lot of the community I have met have disdain for both India and Pakistan and select the 3rd option.


 * --RaviC (talk) 14:05, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply. I've taken a look and have concurred that this checkbox issue comes into trivialities. There is a breadth and depth of academic sources which discuss the Mirpuri community in the context of the greater British Pakistani community. The official UK census treats migrants and their descendants originating from Azad Kashmir in the 'Pakistani' category - this is the reason why about 60-70% of British Pakistanis are Mirpuris/Kashmiris. Some sources that focus on the Kashmiri ethnic group alone usually do it for the purpose conducting studies on the Kashmiri ethnic group exclusively (as the Kashmiris are a huge group in Britain in their own right) or as demographic comparison with non-Kashmiri Pakistanis. Hence, the purpose of Kashmiri checkboxes in Govt ethnicity questionnaires is purely statistical and has more to do with studying demographics of that particular ethnic group as opposed to defining their nationality. As an example of this, the checkboxes above present three categories: Mirpuri Pakistani (Kashmiris originating from Mirpur, Pakistan), Kashmiri Pakistani (other Kashmiris originating from Pakistan) or just Kashmiri (this one is trivial but could include Kashmiris who are neither from Mirpur or Azad Kashmir, but Jammu and Kashmir).  Mar4d  ( talk ) 14:20, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Regarding the third option, there isn't a substantial diaspora from Jammu and Kashmir; mainly Pandits (who would probably select Indian) and no more than 2,000 people from the valley at the max.. I'll try to encompass some of this into the article in a way which will be acceptable by all sides. --RaviC (talk) 14:38, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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Category:North America–Pakistan relations
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92.17.245.111
Hi Mar4d, this ip is disrupting again and again, without visiting the talk page, without listening what i sent him/her msg. please do some action. i don't know what to do. Stevejaw (talk) 00:22, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I am not sure at this point what could be done. But it is definitely a content dispute. This needs to be taken to the talk page, where everyone needs to discuss the issue. Have you left the IP a message inviting him to the talk page?  Mar4d  ( talk ) 10:29, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi
Just a message of support, I have asked editors to delete my page, as I have gotten tired of the abuse from others, anything to do with Pakistan isn't notable, but any brook or little village gets its own page if its in Europe or North America. But you guys please carry on, as we need some presence here.

Cheers.

--WALTHAM2 (talk) 15:06, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Looks like this guy Sitush is deleting everyone of my articles, coming up with dodgy reasons. We have had arguments in the past, and he is particularly nasty and abusive, and quite frankly I can't take the stress. Its been soul destroying, but as I said, I am giving up on Wikepedia, but its a shame that years worth of work is being destroyed. Also this reduces coverage on Pakistan, which has been his aim from the start.--WALTHAM2 (talk) 09:05, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Mar4d. Thank you for your very useful contribution in the beginning days of this entry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_conflict_in_Western_Burma But, this ip 92.17.245.111 is editing again and again without understanding the content of this entry during these days. What should we do? Stevejaw (talk) 11:41, 22 February 2014 (UTC)