User talk:MaranoFan/Archive 3

Famousbirthdays.com as a source
Hi MaranoFan. I noticed that you recently used famousbirthdays.com as a source for information in a biography article, Ava Max. Please note that there is general consensus that famousbirthdays.com does not meet the reliable sourcing criteria for the inclusion of personal information in such articles. (See Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_153). If you disagree, let's discuss it. Thanks. --Ronz (talk) 15:15, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

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Meghan Trainor song list?
Hi MaranoFan! I'm BeatlesLedTV. Thanks for supporting my current FLC! I see you're a big fan of Meghan Trainor and have been nominating her pages for FL. I was thinking that she deserves her own song page since other pop singers, like Taylor Swift and Katy Perry, each have one & they're both featured. I don't know if you're trying to make Trainor a featured topic but if so, a song list would be a good addition to it. I've been making tons of song lists lately and have brought 6 (soon 7) to FL. If you want I can start it and do the main table and leave the rest to you, since you know definitely way more about her than I do. Let me know what you think! Happy editing! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 02:21, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey, List of songs recorded by Meghan Trainor was initially deleted because her independent albums weren't notable and we were waiting for Thank You's release to recreate it. Today I restored the article and rewrote the lead. I didn't get time to add the album tracks from Thank You and Treat Myself to the list though, please feel free to add them uf you have the time. Cheers!-- N Ø  09:08, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

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Winkelvi
I have opened a discussion on the Administrators' noticeboard following Winkelvi's block - please see Administrators' noticeboard Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  10:59, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-retirement
Hello again! I noticed that you put up the semi-retired message, and I just wanted to say that I hope everything is okay with you. I greatly appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, and hope to see you continue to do projects on here. I was actually thinking about messaging about Meghan Trainor, as I know that you are a fan, and ask for your opinion about the upcoming album and the current singles. Either way, hope you are having a good week so far! Aoba47 (talk) 00:00, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for noticing. I have the semi-retired template up since I'm in the preparation phase of my board exams lol. I can't completely retire since I have these, like, 7 articles up for review at GA/FL that I've worked really hard on. Since Meghan's album is delayed I thought this is the perfect time to improve her stuff since the pages are stable! I'm really excited for Treat Myself. I think Let You Be Right and All the Ways are the best tracks released from it so far!-- N Ø  14:27, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Good luck with your board exams! It seems a little odd that the album is being released in January even though a lot of songs/singles have already been released this year. Aoba47 (talk) 19:55, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Lol, god must really want me to study given that I'm now blocked for a month. The universe works in mysterious ways. Hopefully Treat Myself will be notable enough for an article by the time I come back.-- N Ø  21:56, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Trump userbox
I noticed the new anti-Trump userbox on your user page this morning. I'm also well aware that the user you are i-banned with is a fervent Trump supporter, and you added the userbox a day after they were indef blocked for interacting with you. To my knowledge you've never discussed American politics on WP before. It seems obvious to me that adding this userbox at this moment is a way of gravedancing. Which I suppose would be a minor issue that wouldn't gain traction with other admins, except you just got off a 2 year site ban, and one of your problems in the past was feuding, with this particular editor, and you don't seem to believe you are at risk of being reblocked indefinitely with very little discussion if you go back to old habits. I also fear that you will claim the timing is just a coincidence, which will be pretty tone deaf considering that's what the other editor has been claiming.

So: --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:02, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If you can show me that in past you have expressed strong public opinions on American politics, I will assume good faith, assume I've misread the situation, and apologize to you.
 * If you can show me that in the past you have expressed any opinions on American politics, I will be forced to assume good faith and act as if this was a coincidence, regardless of what I believe to be true.
 * If you can't, then you can:
 * Remove it, admit that this was your motivation, apologize, and I will hold you in much higher regard for the honesty, and won't pursue the issue further
 * Remove it, admit nothing, and I won't pursue the issue further
 * Refuse to remove it, and I will go to AN/ANI and attempt to get your site ban reinstated for continuing the feud that has taken up so much of other people's time.
 * Removed.-- N Ø  14:04, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Tagging
You may want to consider the User:Evad37/rater script. w umbolo  ^^^  17:10, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

November 2018
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 month for blatant IBAN violations. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. 28bytes (talk) 00:13, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


 * 28bytes, can you explain what the "blatant IBAN violations" were? Your block edit summary reads "blatant interaction bans at WP:AN" . I only see one post by the user at AN, which reads "There were several IBAN violations, most of them as recent as September 2018. They're listed here: ". had notified the user of the AN thread (which he had opened) on this talkpage 9 hours previously: . Reporting interaction ban violations is not a violation of the IBan. Softlavender (talk) 01:55, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The problematic edits are described [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=867003418#Violation_of_iBan_by_MaranoFan? here]. MaranoFan posted in that thread both before and after Ritchie warned her not to participate. The comment to MONGO about Winkelvi would have been sufficient for a block; making an additional comment in that thread after being reminded by an admin to avoid commenting there was a poor choice as well. However, as I said at AN, any admin is free to adjust (or remove) this block if they disagree that it is a violation (or rather, multiple violations) or if there are additional factors I am not aware of. 28bytes (talk) 02:18, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The comment to MONGO may have been a violation (although that's debatable since specifically notified her of the thread, which implies a specific invitation to participate), but she immediately self-reverted when requested to. However, reporting IBan violations is not a violation, so her subsequent post was not a violation, as it complies with WP:BANEX. I also would like to point out that Atsme is a non-neutral party (which you might not have known), and therefore her subthread should not have been taken at face value without subsequent discussion and agreement, in my opinion. Softlavender (talk) 02:28, 3 November 2018 (UTC); edited 04:22, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm non-neutral, Softlavender? And who were the neutral editors in that discussion, pray tell?  In September, you accused Winkelvi of being "one of the ringleaders of the group of editors meatpuppeting and wiki-lawyering" per this exchange.  The diffs I provided at AN and the explanation provided by 28bytes above unambiguously support the admin action in this case.  It could just as easily have been an indef block as was Winkelvi's, who I happen to believe was telling the truth.  I would much rather have seen a close with an admonishment to both editors instead of blocks but then, I'm just an editor who supports editor retention, mentoring and second chances.  Have a good evening. Atsme ✍🏻📧 04:02, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

I am shocked to see this editor blocked for participating in the discussion at AN about the violation of an Iban against them. We exempt participation in AN threads and discussion on talkpages about an IBAN violation. If an editor can't report or discuss an IBAN anymore their hands are tied and they just suffer the stalking/abuse/whatever. If this block is not quickly lifted with apology, the blocking Admin deserves a trip to ArbComm to have their tools removed. This is pure abuse and sets a precident that will end reporting of violations by anyone protected by an IBAN. Legacypac (talk) 02:36, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * - I could be wrong but my understanding of an IBAN was that you cannot on any thread where the person you're IBANNED with is the subject of that thread (whether it's ANI or 3RRNO) and that if you had an issue with that person then you needed to go to a admins talkpage (or email them?), Could be wrong on both mind. – Davey 2010 Talk 02:48, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

WP:BANEX allows

"Engaging in legitimate and necessary dispute resolution, that is, addressing a legitimate concern about the ban itself in an appropriate forum. Examples include: asking an administrator to take action against a violation of an interaction ban by another user (but normally not more than once, and only by mentioning the fact of the violation). asking for necessary clarifications about the scope of the ban. appealing the ban. As a banned user, if you think your editing is excepted from the ban according to these rules, you should explain why that is so at the time of the edit, for example in the edit summary. When in doubt, do not make the edit. Instead, engage in dispute resolution or ask whoever imposed the ban to clarify." Seems they are well covered by BANEX. Legacypac (talk) 02:58, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The diffs I provided tell the story. It may prove helpful to review them.  Atsme ✍🏻📧 04:02, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

I have given the blocking Admin an opportunity to reverse this block (on their talk) but they unfortunately declined. I feel strongly this was a wrong block of a victim and it has far reaching implications for how IBANs work. An Admin so quick to block and unwilling to revisit is not a good Admin, sorry to say. Atsme I've got a bridge to sell you since you believe any lies. Legacypac (talk) 04:28, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * As a participant in the recent debate who advised MaranoFan to stop commenting, I am obviously an involved administrator. I want to make it clear here that my comment was intended as friendly advice from a fellow editor not as a warning from an adminstrator. I recommend that an uninvolved administrator cut this block short, perhaps to time served. MaranoFan, please be self-reflective and avoid the behaviors that have caused so many problems for you. Please. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  04:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Commenting here as I closed the AN thread: 28bytes made clear this was an independent action that any admin could shorten or lengthen. That means all that is needed is a standard appeal using the unblock template. Those are normally handled pretty quickly without the drama of AN. Let’s just let the normal process play out. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:14, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with Legacypac. This is a bad block. This is a situation that is excepted from the iban, and if not, then there is no justice here. The worst that should happen here is a warning to be very careful to not interact directly with the other editor in this situation. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 06:09, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Three things:
 * Good block. The comment above Ritchie's is a clear IBAN violation.
 * Reduce to time served because the AN thread is now closed. Keeping the block is punitive at best, and bullying at worst.
 * Lift IBAN per my comments at the AN thread.
 * w umbolo  ^^^  08:00, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

As you might expect, I don't agree with the block, or at least endorse Wumbolo's comments above that it should be reduced to "time served". However I think I am WP:INVOLVED given that a) I blocked the other party in the dispute indefinitely, b) I was asked to investigate this issue by MaranoFan in the first place c) I have a vested interest in unblocking MaranoFan as I said I would like to GA review Meghan Trainor for her (I'm not a particular fan of hers at all, but I know lots of people are, so it's a worthwhile improvement to the encyclopedia) and d) I was canvassed here on my talk page. Hopefully, an administrator will spot this at CAT:UNBLOCK and do the necessary paperwork; if nobody has unblocked by this evening I'm mindful to call WP:IAR and do it myself. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ritchie, you specifically notified MaranoFan of the AN thread you opened on Winkelvi's IBan violation, and pointed her directly to the specific thread, which, like all notifications of noticeboard discussions, especially from admins, appears to be a direct invitation to participate in it. She then posted there four times , , (self-reverted), . All of her posts, even her comment to MONGO, seem to be covered by WP:BANEX and by your notification to her of the thread. Softlavender (talk) 11:33, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If this block is reduced while Winkelvi’s indef continues to be supported, I fail to see such an action as anything other than a blatant show of favoritism for one editor over an other. Gee, I sure wish I was this crowds’ favorite. The editor was warned by TWO admins (call it what you want Cullen, the iBan was violated and I’m extremely disappointed in your behavior now) that their comments in the discussion should cease because of the 2-way iBan, yet 28bytes was the only responsible admin who took action, and then the discussions were immediately closed.  Now what we have here is relitigating this case out of site of the community - not at ANI or AN - which further substantiates part of the serious problems that need to be fixed on WP.  The admins who are commenting here are showing favoritism to one editor’s violation of an iBan while crucifying another over the same offense.  How is that fair and reasonable?  Chilling...very chilling. Atsme ✍🏻📧 12:22, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:BANEX. -- Softlavender (talk) 12:37, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Please keep this discussion closed until an admin comes around and can properly assess the unblock request. They should only be reading my unblock appeal, and this discussion is distracting from it.-- N Ø  12:42, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * From WP:BMB, If clarification is not sought before making the edit, the banned editor assumes the risk that an administrator takes a broader view of the scope of the ban and enforces it with a block or other sanction. w umbolo   ^^^  12:44, 3 November 2018 (UTC)