User talk:MarcusCole12

Hi, I just wanted to say thanks for all your language contributions. -- Ngio 05:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Don Laycock
Good work on cleaning up Don's biography. Thanks! Gillyweed 12:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Tok Pisin
Hi Marcus. Do you know Tok Pisin? Is there a word something like nasau that means something like drunk, foolish, or crazy? I've seen it claimed as an etymology but can't confirm. kwami (talk) 07:41, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Teop
Hi MarcusCole12 - I noticed your new entry on the Teop language, I hope you don't mind my helping and doing bits to it. I'm Thor, BarkingFish to the crew here, and I spent quite a lot of the early part of my life out in PNG, between Port Moresby, Kandrian and Bougainville. I don't have much experience of the language (Teop, I mean... I'm ok with Tok Pisin), but I'm quite knowledgeable about the country as a whole, so if you want any further help, please let me know :) Regards,  BarkingFish 00:46, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your assistance. I started the article to help out a couple of my friends who know Teop. Any additions can only help make the article more useful. It would be fabulous to have contributions by first-language Teop speakers. MarcusCole12 (talk) 14:36, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Piawi and Ramu
Hi Marcus,

Do you know, is the only reason for including Piawi in Ramu its similarities to Arafundi? You say Ross includes Arafundi in Ramu without comment: is there any way to tell if he included it in his PN reconstruction? — kwami (talk) 22:54, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Kwami,

Unfortunately, I don't have access to Malcolm Ross's workings for his PN reconstruction, so I don't know whether he compared Arafundi pronouns or whether any were even available at the time. Arafundi has always been one of the languages of which little was known until recently, although SIL took wordlists from the three languages shown in Ethnologue around five years ago and one of Bill Foley's students is currently working in another Arafundi language (currently not in Ethnologue).

My suspicion (unverified) is that Ross has not done detailed PN comparison for every one of the several hundred Papuan languages, but has accepted a lot of the groupings which seemed already to be established - witness his acceptance of the grouping of the six languages in the putative Kwomtari family, despite the fact that the relationship of Fas-Baibai to Kwomtari-Biaka-Guriaso looks shaky, together with the relationship of Pyu to anything else. I do know that Ross and Pawley have done detailed PN comparative work amongst the Madang languages, as well as in the putative East Papuan phylum.

It looks to me as though Laycock "tacked on" both Arafundi and Piawi to the Ramu family because it looked geographically logical. If you read his introduction to his list of languages of the Sepik, he frankly admits that many of his groupings are impressionistic. Laycock certainly didn't link Piawi to Arafundi directly - that connection was suggested by Bill Foley, according to a comment tagged (p.c.) in Comrie's article. However, Bill Foley has told me directly that he doubts that Arafundi belongs to Ramu, and if you check his 2005 article you won't find any mention of Arafundi as a suggested branch of Ramu.

MarcusCole12 (talk) 12:53, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, not on any published evidence then. We should probably remove it as E16 has done, then, and just leave mention of it in the article. — kwami (talk) 18:45, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Response at Nor–Pondo languages. It looks like Ross may contradict Foley, but I don't have Foley to compare. — kwami (talk) 20:16, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

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