User talk:Mareklug/Southwest Airlines Flight 345

Contested deletion
This page should not be speedily deleted because... (WP:G4 ONLY applies to "A sufficiently identical and unimproved copy, having any title, of a page deleted via its most recent deletion discussion"). Also, G4 "excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version, pages to which the reason for the deletion no longer applies, and content moved to user space for explicit improvement". This happened on a Southwest Airlines flight, and the incident is listed in the section in question. Last, redirects are cheap. --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:40, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Jax, first the result of the AFD was delete. You did the same thing to O. J. Murdock almost a year ago after an AFD and a DRV and the redirect got deleted too. Redirect was never discussed at it. It was discussed on this talk page and the editors didn't want a redirect, they wanted a keep. I have referred this to the deleting administrator....William 16:43, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * User:WilliamJE, please actually read the details of the G4 you're adding, it's entirely inappropriate. Stop being so disruptive.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:46, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - I redirected the page withOUT the page history, INSTEAD of WITH the page history. Also, I don't think that CSD templates can be added to a page more than once (perhaps I am mistaken). --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:52, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No, you're not mistaken, not at all. Nor is the rationale offered for the G4 tag applicable here.  Really poor show.  Perhaps some editors are determined to actually stop our readers from finding information in Wikipedia?  The Rambling Man (talk) 17:11, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, User:WilliamJE has clearly not read the tag he's added. I've removed it (twice) now.  A real pity that this particular editor seems to think that a redirect is inappropriate, when it's nothing but useful to our readers.  Oh well, nothing out of the ordinary I guess. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:43, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Why can't the redirect have the accrued edit history?
If it did have edit history, a) all our diligent work put towards the article would be still counted as edits, b) we could resurrect the article without pleading with some admin, if and when new information warranted, for example, if NTSB closed down La Guardia. :) Anyway, a little joke to defuse the situation, b/c some of the more virulently disposed deletionists can give one an apoplexy....  --Mareklug talk 17:31, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It was deleted via WP:AFD. There's no "pleading", there's WP:DRV.  The Rambling Man (talk) 17:32, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

6 August 2013, 2nd NTSB Update

 * http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2013/08/ntsb-captain-took-over-southwest-airlines-flight-just-before-landing-at-new-york-laguardia.html/ (article contains the NTSB report in its entirety) --Mareklug talk 21:10, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:DRV for a refund. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:18, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Arey you saying there is cause already? I was waiting for them to write off the wreck... Although this last-second unplanned hand-off and then wrecking the perfectly good airplane by the experienced captain does sound very unusual. --Mareklug talk 01:33, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - Mareklug, keeping WP:BRD in mind, perhaps you should add the former Southwest Airlines Flight 345 article to the Southwest Airlines page itself, after all, there is no limit to how much material a notable article can contain. --Jax 0677 (talk) 02:00, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Overlooking possible accusations of WP:POINT, and circumventing the AFD process (see above), this would entail having the article available, complete with its edit history. That would require its undeletion.  I don't even have the thing saved as text anywhere.  It could have been userified to my user space, but I had no chance to ask for that, as it got zapped altogether, whereas I thought the upshot of the merge discussions on its talk page was that it would be redirected with its history intact. --Mareklug talk 02:23, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - You can visit WP:REFUND to have the article restored to your user space. The article is hidden to most users, but not hidden from administrators.  You could add just a small part of the former article to the readable text if you'd like. --Jax 0677 (talk) 02:27, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I have done so, that is, visited WP:REFUND and made a userification request with complete history. --Mareklug talk 02:43, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - It may take time, but hopefully it will be done this week. --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:11, 7 August 2013 (UTC)