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so what
distinguishes scaveola crassifolia from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scaevola_calendulacea - ? habitat difference or what?
 * Not a habitat difference: the differences are spelled out and did not include discussion of habitat....

the calendulacea article in current form does not provide adequate to make the identification - JarrahTree 23:55, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * At this stage, I am ignoring others' work. At least there is the start of an article. MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC)


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scaevola_calendulacea#/media/File:Scaevola_calendulacea_Narrabeen.jpg and
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaevola_crassifolia#/media/File:Scaevola_crassifolia_flower_close_up.jpg - leaves me wondering JarrahTree 23:57, 13 May 2019 (UTC)


 * solved - fruit of calendulacea - crassifolia doesnt have - http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=sp&name=Scaevola~calendulacea JarrahTree 00:08, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * All of this is incomplete, since most Scaevola articles have not been written. The article in this part is simply a rewrite of the NT stuff, and will make sense when the other articles are written. MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Very pleasing to see that the article was read. I should have a go at calendulacea... MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

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Conferences next month
Hi, Margaret. I just wanted to check that you are aware of the two free conferences being held at the University of Sydney next month: 1. The Worlds of Wikimedia 2019 on evening of 12 June, then 13 and 14 June daytimes. 2. Wikimedia Australia Community Conference on Saturday 15 June.

I also thought you might be interested in the Australian Biota User Group, who are meeting on Sunday 16 June. Let me know if you're interested in the ABUG and I'll put you in touch with the organiser, if you haven't already been alerted about it. Oronsay (talk) 01:08, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for both of these, Oronsay, and for thinking of me. Not sure who the organiser of ABUG is. I thought it was User:JarrahTree?? (I have put my name down for both, but am not sure about how I am going to manage them!! (sleeping arrangements....) MargaretRDonald (talk) 01:14, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That's good. We should be able to catch up. Sorry to be mysterious, yes, it is User:JarrahTree. Oronsay (talk) 03:36, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * wow - hadnt realised the brilliant acronym - hadnt registered until a reply off wiki from oronsay... brilliant! JarrahTree 04:38, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Due to some naming conventions and requirements it is now australian wikimedian biota user group (proposed) AWBUG  (aw, bug!) has a certain ring to it JarrahTree 00:28, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

moil
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Template:Taxonomy/Scaevola
Hi, it turns out that there was already a taxonomy template for the genus Scaevola at Template:Taxonomy/Scaevola (plant). I take the view that when one use of the genus name, here the plant, is overwhelmingly the most common (there's an extinct gastropod with the same genus name, but it doesn't have an article), there's no need to use the disambiguated term in the taxonomy template title, although may disagree. So I've "redirected" Template:Taxonomy/Scaevola (plant) to Template:Taxonomy/Scaevola by using same_as.

A general point is that when a genus article is at a disambiguated name, like Scaevola (plant), link in the taxonomy template must be set up as it is now at Template:Taxonomy/Scaevola. If you don't supply the link text as well as the link target, then the taxobox will show the genus as "Scaevola (plant)" instead of just "Scaevola". Peter coxhead (talk) 06:48, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks and . I should have looked.  Most of the Scaevola articles aren't using the species box, and I foolishly took my cue from that. MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:00, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

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Range maps
Hello Margaret,

Thanks again for you fantastic range maps - they improve plant articles enormously. I'd have given Boronia parviflora 4/10 after writing it this morning, 9/10 with your map. (Hoping for a lesson one day.) And that with all your other contributions. You have my permission to post a barnstar, kitten, cup of tea, (orchid pic,?) or whatever appeals, on my behalf, right here:

Gderrin (talk) 04:48, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Geoff? There are a million reasons why they may not represent the range correctly: data entry errors, specimens not having been recorded as cultivated or escapees, and so on. But probably, more importantly in inland Australia, some places are almost impossible to get to when things may be in flower...no roads, floods... so ranges are limited by omission: no-one has been there to sample/find or been there at the appropriate time to see the plant. But the only basis for a range map is where a plant has been recorded as having been observed. Which is why sites such as ALA, AVH and GBIF show the occurrence data that they hold, rather than generalised range maps. (PS. Thanks for your encouragement.)  MargaretRDonald (talk) 05:08, 10 April 2019 (UTC)  And of course, I forgot to say, misidentifications. Check out, e.g.,  the page for and the talk page for Ficus coronata. But the presumed misidentification of F. coronulata as F. coronata leads to a probable error in Flora of Australia online, where F. coronata is stated as being found in NT (talking here from memory) which seems unlikely....MargaretRDonald (talk) 06:31, 10 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Yep - and sometimes plants in botanic gardens are shown! Also (as I've found out after spending hours searching) sometimes the dots in ALA are not where the plant was actually seen because GPS data was entered incorrectly. Nevertheless, your maps are the best we seem to have at the moment and much appreciated. Gderrin (talk) 09:48, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello again Margaret, Allthingsnative has done a nice page on Veronica perfoliata that I think would make a good DYK. It would be even better if you would add one of your maps. (Sorry I haven't figured how to do it myself. Waiting for a lesson.) Gderrin (talk) 00:29, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . Done. MargaretRDonald (talk) 02:06, 14 April 2019 (UTC) Thank you very much. That's great. Gderrin (talk) 06:43, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . (Again, thanks for the support). I am slowly putting up Boronia maps into Commons category:Boronia distribution maps. So far I have uploaded a-h or i (not sure), but not all are yet included in the corresponding wikipedia articles...(I was hoping you might help with that while I try to get to the very last Boronia map upload...) I'll let you know when I have uploaded everything... MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:53, 14 April 2019 (UTC) Will do! Gderrin (talk) 21:58, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . I have checked out most of the maps uploaded but B. latapinna(?) looks entirely bizarre, with the apparent bulk of the dots looking like outliers. I wouldn't insert it yet. (It's exceedingly annoying but points which show up interactively as "suspected outlier" do not necessarily download as such, so when I see dodgy points I have to locate them and check them on the interactive map... Very tiresome.. (But all points removed are documented in the uploads, with their specimen number and a link to the specimen record. See, e.g. the map for B. inornata.) MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:27, 14 April 2019 (UTC) Hmmm. I knew I should have read your entry for B. latipinna. I'll fix the map. MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:30, 14 April 2019 (UTC) Now fixed but may not yet look fixed..MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:54, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello again. I have uploaded Boronia maps from a-m, some of p, and s-x (p and r still to complete). Some of these have obvious outliers, which will probably prove to be "detected outlier jackknife", where AVH does a jackknife spatial test against the environmental layers. (Unfortunately, I cannot yet get the corresponding variable to download and am forced to work with the AVH map interactively, looking at what is said about each point I think is dubious!) MargaretRDonald (talk) 00:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
 * All added now, except for those that don't have an article yet. I'm working on it, while ploughing through the kunzeas and eucalypts. I'm not concerned about a few stray dots - no distribution map is going to be perfect. Thanks for your work. Gderrin (talk) 11:12, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

...and more thanks for your Pityrodia range maps. I'd better get to work and complete the remaining species. Getting the image of Pityrodia augustensis was very exciting - I thought at first it was Eremophila buirchellii - until Bevan Buirchell himself told me otherwise! Gderrin (talk) 00:00, 27 June 2019 (UTC) .... Always fabulous to get an image of a plant. (PS Thanks for your appreciation of maps) These maps come courtesy of Wikicommons:User:Philmarin and are far better than mine which currently distort the space badly. (Nonetheless they are recognisable.) MargaretRDonald (talk) 00:11, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello
Hi Margaret, Thanks for the message, hope you get mine. It was nice at TWL yesterday meeting up for our Women Write Wiki group, I enjoyed it and it was great to see you and for the statistics to arrive. I hope to write some more Wikipedia articles and I like coming along to the www group. Its cold and windy today. I can't think of a lot to write right now so I'll sign off …..thanks again for messaging and doing the stats!

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 * Lovely to talk with you too. As you know the police passed me on by (a relief). Look forward to working together... MargaretRDonald (talk) 04:59, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

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Acacia benthamii
Thanks for chasing up the etymology - I was sure it was for Bentham but couldn't find any reference to it online. Cheers. Hughesdarren (talk) 00:19, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I sort of cheated: when the original author thinks it's so obvious he makes no mention of it, and of course that is entirely correct if he is following an earlier author who chose to honour Bentham. Perhaps I will manage to find the real source when I find the earliest epithet, benthamii. (Plantillustrations.org is good for both images and for epithet meanings, when I can't find them anywhere else.) MargaretRDonald (talk) 00:39, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Margaret, Thanks for the message, and the stats, I am working on Kris Melmouth one of the founders of the first NSW Refuge Elsie in 1975. I can't be at WWW 7th August as I have a housing inspection that afternoon. Anyway see you on the 14th August (which is the second Wednesday of the month anyway). Thanks, Passionfruitvine. Passionfruitvine (talk) 08:59, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That is great, as it will link nicely with the women's refuge article. Look forward to seeing you on the 14th. MargaretRDonald (talk) 12:21, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Conservation Status systems: TPWCA
I've noticed you've added TPWCA conservation status to a number of taxoboxes (6 speciesboxes and 2 taxoboxes). I was wondering what this system was. You reference ntflora but that doesnt provide any further information.

The reason I ask is because I'm trying to rewrite the conservation status part of the taxoboxes and am considering options to extend coverage, adding graphics and/or links for other systems. For instance, the Brazilian CNCFlora analyses cover thousands Brazilian species using the same methodology and categories as the IUCN, which means the graphics with IUCN categories can be used with these evaluations (e.g. Dipteryx alata). The Queensland QLDNCA evalutions under the Nature Conservation Act 1992 are already covered. I wondered where TPWCA fits in.  Jts1882 &#124; talk 14:18, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi TWPCA is the acronym for Territory Parks and Wildlife Conservation Act 1976, (referred to in Classification of wildlife)  and mentioned in the references given for the various species where the system has been used in wikipedia simply as TWPCA.  Clearly there needs a to be note in the NTFlora article and/or an article of its own for the act.  Australia is a federation and each state and territory has its own set of conservation acts,  and (I think) that it is generally the case that anything endangered under state legislation is automatically endangered under federal legislation, but you would have to check that..... (Hope this helps) Regards, MargaretRDonald (talk) 01:34, 10 August 2019 (UTC)  Note that the categories for each state act/s are not necessarily  those of IUCN. See DECF listed threatened species for WA threatened species... MargaretRDonald (talk) 01:36, 10 August 2019 (UTC)


 * The classification link you gave says that the TWPCA uses the IUCN criteria and categories, which means the classification status in the taxobox can use the iucn graphics. The text under the graphic should have a link, so if you can add something to the NTFlora article it could link there. The output would look something like that on the right.
 * The DECF is already supported in taxoboxes and has its own set of graphics for its categories.  Jts1882 &#124; talk 07:08, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Not quite sure what you are suggesting with respect to the article on NTFlora? (I have had a go. Is this what you meant: NTFlora?) MargaretRDonald (talk) 04:53, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, there can be an issue putting up one state's conservation status on a plant, since a plant may be near threatened in one state and of least concern in another. (Can't think of an example at the moment, but I have certainly seen it.) Thanks for your efforts on this. The boxes look much nicer with the graphics. MargaretRDonald (talk) 04:41, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

hmmm
Tying in with other systems - as you might note - already 2 lurkers had left their marks at Scaevola spinescens, the big problem is that most of the 'first pass' of the biota backlog - there are probably about 1k items that have innacurate taggng for where the items are found in oz geogaphy - ie stating the locations where found like a real professional database would have... 'the second pass ' (heaven forbid) will be doing a check against other databases to see where things are located (never helped by eds who say x exists in oz) - will try to keep updated. Also probably a very long email in the near future - cheers, trust the cold snap has passed for NSW JarrahTree 09:05, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, and look forward to the email.. MargaretRDonald (talk) 04:42, 11 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I would strongly suggest to avert the extra work that the lurkers actually create when they do it to your new articles is to beat them to it by putting in a tag with at least biota - otherwise in current practice they come in and put only partial tags... which in the 'second pass' stage of the will be corrected, but by the actual number of editors currently doing full tags, is going to be ages yet before the corrections occur.  JarrahTree 04:50, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . I begin to see what you mean. I will mend my ways and put in article assessments when I start an article so that hopefully you do not have such a lot of re-editing to do. MargaretRDonald (talk) 05:17, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

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latest thoughts
Re the Biota - it is expected the whole set of current biota items will have a 3 pass or 3 level edit through checking

1st - just to get basics of assessment on so that there are no 'unknowns' aka donald rumsfeld unknown unknown - however this needs to be done from a number of dimensions, there is an unknown unknown where very clever eds dont even tag at all, or only plants say, and leave the oz and biota off.. 2nd - to go through and work out why the hell the original eds didnt identify occurrence ( hmm) or where.. very difficult in parts 3rd - to check for refs and adequate states added to talk page

thats a lot of checking... :( BY that stage oz biota might seem to have a certain level of thoroughness, at this stage, very early days... JarrahTree 11:43, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

omg, almost all items in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Spiders_of_Australia dont seem to have australia or biota as part of their assessment, just another complication... JarrahTree 13:06, 29 August 2019 (UTC) wrong, random sample skewed, there are more tagged than realised at first JarrahTree 13:11, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Range is not so easy. For example, the photograph in Saitis mutans was taken in WA (species identified by a spider researcher from Monash), but the original paper describing the species was written in 2012 (?) and the author had no idea that they also existed in WA (He had found them in Newcastle). I suspect all small animals (insects & spiders...and god knows what else) will have problems with the idea of native range. (S. mutans is c 3 mm.. Most people including scientists just walk on by.) MargaretRDonald (talk) 17:30, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment there...

Have been sending this out :-

We are now less than 3k - how can you help? when you create a new article - please try to complete the biota assessment, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Australian_biota_articles when you deal with an older article - it is well worth going to the talk page and tweaking for biota.. Thanks for your work in biota articles !! cheers JarrahTree 00:31, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Billardiera fusiformis
Hello Margaret,

On a recent visit to the (very nice but rarely visited) botanic gardens attached to the (ordinary in my opinion, but popular) "Historic Whaling Station" near Torndirrup National Park, I took some photos of Billardiera fusiformis and uploaded them to Commons, in case you might use one or two. Gderrin (talk) 11:29, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
 * (Lucky you) I've put two up in the gallery. Hopefully they will stay there, because I think we generally need many more photos of plants in our articles to show important details, so having the fruits is particularly nice and also the way the flowers hang down....(presumably leading to the name of bluebell) MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:27, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Epacris calvertiana
Hello Margaret,

Thanks for pointing out my blunder. I wish my Latin was better. I've tried to translate Mueller's description but I think the plant was probably named after Louisa's husband, although one of the type specimens was collected by Louisa ("Ludovica"). "Vir benignus J. Calvert, socius Leichardtii in itinere celebri geographico annis 1844-1845 suscepto et perducto, conjux Ludovicae Calvert natae Atkinson, plantam e manu amici accipiet in memoriam scrutatricis ingeniosae, quae ipsa nobis haneee speciem perraram amoenamque attulit." Google Translate only a bit helpful. ("scrutatricis" = examiner or investigator; "haneee" appears to be a mistake) I'm hoping you know something else about Louisa. Perhaps he was referring to both of them in the name? Gderrin (talk) 02:38, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you are absolutely right, but I am sending off the Latin to a friend (Her husband James Calvert travelled with Leichhardt on his first expedition) But the problem was that the article gives a description for Epacris breviflora, (and when I wrote to you it gave an etymology for yet another Epacris) So I was hoping you might also fix the description. MargaretRDonald (talk) 18:04, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I was working from another text (secondary) which said she had been honoured in this species but I suspect that the secondary text writer had as much Latin as me... (I plan to wait until I get word back from my Latinist friend, before touching this aspect again.) MargaretRDonald (talk) 18:24, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Rather than describing other Epacris species, I think perhaps F.Muell. was comparing the new species, E. calvertiana with R.Br.'s E. sparsa and E. exserta. I'm leaning to the idea that Ferdinand didn't say who he was naming the plant for, except for "a kind man" and the type-specimen collector, his wife. But I like the way the article is - she was the botanist. Gderrin (talk) 22:50, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * My friend's translation of Mueller's text (leaving out the haneee): "Good man Calvert, associate of Leichardt in the noble, sustained geographical undertaking of 1844-1845, husband of Louise Calvert nee Atkinson, may he accept this plant from my hand of friendship in memory of the talented researcher, who herself brought to light for us this beautiful and rare specimen." So it seems to be named as a present to Calvert to memorialise his dead wife.  MargaretRDonald (talk) 06:08, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

That's a pity. Makes sense though, since she had recently died. Good material for the article though. (Your privilege.) Thanks to you and your translator friend. Gderrin (talk) 06:53, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

A goat for you!
For your work on Netta Elizabeth Gray.

Stuartyeates (talk) 22:33, 19 September 2019 (UTC) 
 * That is very kind. (But an explanation of the significance of a goat would also be kind.) MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:58, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I suppose you would've expected a plant as Netta was a botanist. Some people like giving goats, others give kittens or even barnstars. I don't believe there's any significance but Stuartyeates may prove me wrong. It's the recognition that's important. Oronsay (talk) 23:11, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi MargaretRDonald, as Oronsay correctly deduced, there is no particular reason for a goat. I feel that comments with images have more of an impact than those without and I use a tool which includes a number of animals as options and I like this goat. I've given this goat to at least a handful of people recently, in my work encouraging editors creating diverse biographies on wikipedia. I apologise for any confusion caused. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:08, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * No confusion. Just curiosity. And way better than the ugly barnstars. Thanks again. MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:32, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

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Structured Data - blogs posted in Wikimedia Space
There are two separate blog entries for Structured Data on Commons posted to Wikimedia Space that are of interest:


 * Working with Structured Data on Commons: A Status Report, by Lucas Werkmeister, discusses some ways that editors can work with structured data. Topics include tools that have been written or modified for structured data, in addition to future plans for tools and querying services.
 * Structured Data on Commons - A Blog Series, written by me, is a five-part posting that covers the basics of the software and features that were built to make structured data happen. The series is meant to be friendly to those who may have some knowledge of Commons, but may not know much about the structured data project.

I hope these are informative and useful, comments and questions are welcome. All the blogs offer a comment feature, and you can log in with your Wikimedia account using oAuth. I look forward to seeing some posts over there. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:33, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing these out to me  I will read them with interest. MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:38, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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viz your user age designation... getting close! - and that is just first pass... JarrahTree 00:22, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Phaius robertsii
Hello Margaret,

Thanks for your edit to Phaius robertsii. Unfortunately, Phaius robertsii is not an accepted species at APC - yet. It is listed in APNI but, along with most (all?) orchids, they haven't decided which are accepted and which are not in the APC. I like your add though and don't think anybody is going to quibble. It's also the reason I've given the ref. for Australian orchids to WCSP when I'd much rather use the APC. Gderrin (talk) 23:18, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries, . I had a query on SPRAT entries on wikidata without enwiki articles, which is why I found myself here. (The choice was to rewrite the article as P. pictus (which I put into the "too hard" basket) or simply to write a quibble...) We will see what transpires. Cheers, MargaretRDonald (talk) 02:34, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

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difference
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Scaevola_crassifolia and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Scaevola_calendulacea - not much difference there... JarrahTree 23:59, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, but then, neither you nor I are taxonomists. Personally, if the photos are correct, I think the leaves look different. The complementary distributions are striking, though, aren't they? MargaretRDonald (talk) 04:59, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * so much for scaveola's - trust the christmas break is a good one for you JarrahTree 11:27, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Happy Christmas to you and yours, . And yes, so far, it has been fabulous. MargaretRDonald (talk) 11:32, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Citing plant names
Hello Margaret, Thanks so much for your work - I follow your contributions daily (well, almost). Since has followed my lead on citing plant names in a large number of plant articles, it's probably better for you and me to hammer this issue out. Let's start here:
 * 1. "...trying to justify the name as accepted...". No, the purpose of a reference is to identify a source of information. (The APC is pretty good sauce.) Gderrin (talk) 21:05, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . (And I too admire the work you both do. But..) Given that wikipedia gives a single article per species, articles which do not use accepted names are generally moved to an article named using the accepted name. Thus, I believe the reference should contain the information that the name is accepted, rather than simply that the name exists.) That is the implication behind the article and the name of the article. That is, the reference needs to justify the use of that name (rather than the many synonyms which the plant may have). The moment we talk synonyms, we are talking about accepted names.  Of the many sources available from the taxonbar, many do give this information - e.g. Plants of the world online, APNI (but not IPNI), GRIN...  However, the APC links do not provide this information. MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:23, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Only accepted names are listed at the APC, and the synonyms of that accepted name are listed there (eg. as in the articles Pimelea angustifolia and Eucalyptus uncinata). Citing WCSP, POWO is the same as citing APC (except not Australian).


 * 2. Appropriate citations Gderrin (talk) 22:34, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Geoff. (I am a clot. But not a clot in what I wish to establish...) For me a very worthwhile discussion (possibly not for you) Thanks, again. MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:43, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Definitely NOT anything BUT worthwhile. Not a clot either. (It's tempting to make comparisons with discussions with other "nameless" editors.) It's raining - I've got to be relaxed! Gderrin (talk) 23:41, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

February with Women in Red
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:31, 28 January 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging

I have sent you a note about a page you reviewed
Hello, MargaretRDonald

Thank you for creating Sabicea brasiliensis.

User:Insertcleverphrasehere, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

To reply, leave a comment here and prepend it with. And, don't forget to sign your reply with ~.

(Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

—  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) (click me!)    21:56, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * (I still haven't finished with the article, and hence had not got around to writing its talk page- reviewing it) Thank you for assigning it to wikiproject plants. You might consider when next reviewing a plant article to assign it to a  country/region/state project page - to my mind also a necessary inclusion. Note too, that far from its being unlikely that someone will add a talk page, there are a number of people who watch plant articles and/or watch my contributions, and add talk pages when they do not exist. MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:35, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , Sounds like you are onto it. Keep up the good work and thanks for your contributions. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) (click me!)    22:44, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #471
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 * Events
 * Past:
 * Wikimedia Hackathon 2021 (replay) "Wikidata Live Querying" by Lucas Werkmeister
 * SPARQL #Wikidata Préfixes 1/2 (in French) - YouTube
 * Upcoming:
 * Meta meeting of the Wikibase Community User Group, Wednesday, June 9, 16:00 UTC
 * LIVE Wikidata editing #46 - YouTube, Facebook, June 12 at 18:00 UTC
 * Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #66, June 13
 * (Dutch) 16 june 2021, 15.00-16.30 CEST, "Universiteitsbibliotheek: Bijzondere Collecties zichtbaar en vindbaar maken in Wikidata", during "Digitaal Erfgoed @UM | zichtbaar, bruikbaar, houdbaar"


 * Press, articles, blog posts, videos
 * Blogs
 * "Wikidata and R: a perfect pair" by Evolution and evolvability and Canley. A WikiCite eScholarship.
 * "Brazil’s Laws: Modeling the Brazilian legislation in Wikidata", by Ederporto. A WikiCite project grant project.
 * Papers
 * (Preprint) KGPool: Dynamic Knowledge Graph Context Selection for Relation Extraction (Wikidata dataset used in evaluation)
 * (Article) “Wikidata Projects in Times of COVID-19: IUPUI Libraries’ Engagement in Open Knowledge”
 * (Presentation) Explore, Analyse and Translate Multilingual Wikidata Properties by User:Jsamwrites at Contribuling
 * Videos
 * Understanding data import into Wikidata via Quickstatements (in Portuguese) - YouTube
 * Workshop for "Cita": a Wikidata addon for Zotero, hosted by Diegodlh - English & en español. A WikiCite grant project.
 * Wikidata: Municipalities of Romania + a map of places in Kuopio - YouTube
 * Wikidata Editing training (in Tamil) - YouTube
 * Excursus: Wikidata Knowledge Graph - YouTube


 * Tool of the week
 * Wikidata Image Positions is a tool to show and add relative position within image (P2677) qualifiers on depicts (P180) statements on Wikidata items as areas on the item’s image (P18).


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: none
 * External identifiers: Badkartan.se ID, Eionet bathingWaterIdentifier, ifixit device ID, AlternativeTo software ID, Price One Penny author ID, Nevada Women's History Project ID, Treccani's Enciclopedia della Matematica ID, Price One Penny work ID, Price One Penny library ID, Price One Penny publisher ID, Dizionario Biografico dell'Educazione (1800–2000) ID, Biographical Encyclopedia of Astronomers ID, Romanistenlexikon ID, composers.am person ID, Armeniapedia ID, OpenCorporates register jurisdiction, armradioarchive.am person ID, PANGO lineage code, AZGS Document Repository ID, AADFI member ID, electronic Essential Medicines List medicine ID, Japan PlayStation Software Database ID, Erfgoedkaart ID, Romanian diplomatic mission ID, Foreign diplomatic mission in Romania ID, PAS member ID, fondoambiente.it ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: Range, not found in, LdiF person ID, board game mechanism, Date of resignation
 * External identifiers: DIP-ID, Castforward ID, Istituto Veneto di Scienze, Lettere ed Arti member ID, EBAF ID, FCCOS ID, Dutch Caribbean Species Register ID, TBDB ID, cirkev.cz bohoslužby ID, Ropiky.net pillbox ID, GCD creator ID


 * Query examples:
 * Properties used to describe themselves (Inspiration)
 * Most common name in Germany by year of birth (Source)
 * Famous (not French) people born in France (Source)


 * Development
 * You can now add a title to a query visualisation by adding  to your SPARQL code (T225883, example query with a title)
 * Added a new constraints type to indicate that a certain Property should only be used on Lexemes of a certain language (T200689)
 * Working on not checking the format constraints via SPARQL to take that load off the SPARQL endpoint and make it technically better (T176312)
 * Working on making the API-Sandbox not suggest edits to real Items (T219215)

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 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

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Metadata for a commons category
I am hoping for a query of the commons category: Images from Wiki Loves Earth 2021 in Australia which gives:
 * the url of each image in the category
 * the file name
 * size of file (in MB)
 * the username of the contributor who uploaded it
 * date of upload
 * date of file creation

MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:10, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps better asked at WP:VPT.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 20:59, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks,  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs).  I may do that. I was struggling to see where it might best be asked. However the query below or a modification of it may be sufficient. MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:18, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I would use PetScan: run the query with file metadata shown (permalink), which generates the file name, size (in bytes), uploading user, and upload date (along with a myriad of other metrics). Save this as a .csv or copy directly to Excel, Sheets, or some other TOTT to manipulate the data (easier to convert bytes to megabytes, the upload date into a more readable format, etc.). File creation date and web URL would be a little harder, though – assuming these are for off-wiki use, perhaps a script that loops through each file and uses the API to save the image link? Just a thought. WP:VPT might give you better insights though.  TG HL ↗  🍁 22:27, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * That is great,  TG HL ↗  🍁 It almost gets me there, but I appear to see data and time of last modification as opposed to time and date of upload, and I can't see the username (???) MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:15, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The site's CSS cuts off the table at a certain width: there is more data to the right, but it is hidden. Scroll the table to the right (scroll bar is at the bottom of the page) or download as .csv. Hope this helps.  TG HL ↗  🍁 23:24, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks,  TG HL ↗  🍁  That is brilliant and gives me what I need. MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:21, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks,  TG HL ↗  🍁  I can see everything I need, but cannot (!!) find the mechanism to download the csv file. (!!!!!) MargaretRDonald (talk) 01:45, 8 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Under "Output", under "Format", select "CSV". The file will be saved to your computer.  TG HL ↗  🍁 02:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 *  TG HL ↗  🍁Thanks yet again. All sorted. MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:06, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Heads up
I'm running through and creating stubs on plants listed on Feedipedia. Pretty soon I'm going to reach the Townsville stylo (Stylosanthes humilis, Feedipedia article), but I know you like to create articles on Australia-related plants, so I thought I'd give you a chance to do it first. Abductive (reasoning) 13:00, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks  Abductive   (reasoning) . Enough work to do on wikipedia, so thank you for the invitation, but I'll keep workj\ing here. MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:03, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #472
<div style="margin-top:10px; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; -webkit-column-width: 400px; -moz-column-width: 400px; column-width: 400px;">


 * Events
 * Past
 * SPARQL #Wikidata Préfixes 2/2 (session 8) - YouTube
 * Open Repositories 2021: Wikidata Integration with Repository Contents - YouTube
 * Information Service Engineering 2021
 * SPARQL complex queries, SPARQL aggregation and variable assignment, Wikidata SPARQL examples
 * SPARQL Federated Queries, DBpedia and Wikidata, SPARQL query aggregation and variable assignment
 * Upcoming
 * Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call: Diego de la Hera on Cita, a Wikidata add-on for Zotero. Agenda, June 15
 * Wikidata Bug Triage Hour about quality constraints, June 17
 * LIVE Wikidata editing #47 - YouTube, Facebook, June 19 at 18:00 UTC
 * Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #67, June 20
 * OpenStreetMap TW x Wikidata Taiwan Taipei (Q1867) Meetup 2021-07-05


 * Press, articles, blog posts, videos
 * Videos
 * Gateway into Linked Data: Breaking silos with Wikidata - YouTube
 * LIVE Wikidata editing #46 - YouTube, Facebook


 * Tool of the week
 * SPARQL Jupyter notebooks in PAWS: PAWS is a wikitech services which allows to run Jupyter notebooks. There is a SPARQL kernel which makes it possible to run SPARQL queries. See this example notebook.


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Wikidata Community/Diversity 2021 Survey has been published. The results are meant to serve as a baseline to see how the community might (not) change in the future.
 * WikidataCon 2021: A sustainable future for Wikidata. Information about "the conference theme, its three-day program structure and a special project on diversity taking place before the conference itself".
 * The call for candidates for 2021 Wikimedia Foundation Board elections has begun on June 9. The last date to apply is June 29, 2021.


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: personality trait of fictional character
 * External identifiers: Dizionario Biografico dell'Educazione (1800–2000) ID, Biographical Encyclopedia of Astronomers ID, Romanistenlexikon ID, composers.am person ID, Armeniapedia ID, OpenCorporates register jurisdiction, armradioarchive.am person ID, PANGO lineage code, AZGS Document Repository ID, AADFI member ID, electronic Essential Medicines List medicine ID, Japan PlayStation Software Database ID, Erfgoedkaart ID, Romanian diplomatic mission ID, Foreign diplomatic mission in Romania ID, PAS member ID, fondoambiente.it ID, Olschki author ID, French Etalab parcel visualization code, Geneanet family name ID, Online Coins of the Roman Empire ID, senato.archivioluce.it person ID, DIP ID, Newspaper Genre List ID, Dutch Caribbean Species Register ID, Internet Game Database developer ID, Book Owners Online person ID, Bod-Inc Online author ID, Burke Herbarium Image Collection ID, Ropiky.net pillbox ID, Istituto Veneto di Scienze, Lettere ed Arti member ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: LdiF person ID, board game mechanism, Date of resignation, sex or gender of the position, regime, earliest known OpenTimestamps, Biblioteca Nacional de Maestros, named after lexeme
 * External identifiers: TBDB ID, cirkev.cz bohoslužby ID, GCD creator ID, Memobase ID, Central records of collections ID, Musica Baltica person ID, Standard Citation Forms ID, Montana Field Guide species ID, PRISM Break project ID, Idaho Species ID, Room of Names ID, ZKM person ID, fotodok ID, IFFR film director ID, EUIPO OoC-name id, Gutenberg Biographics ID, EUIPO OoC-work id, Games@Mail.ru ID, museumPASSmusées ID, Handlingar.se, NAD agent ID, Bundesstiftung Aufarbeitung person ID, OlympicsIL ID


 * Query examples:
 * Lakes within 10 km of Berlin
 * Old bath pictures from Swedish Digitalmuseum
 * Bath water in Sweden [https://query.wikidata.org/embed.html#%23title%3A%20Swedish%20Bathwaters%20with%20line%20to%20connected%20water%0A%23defaultView%3AMap%7B%22hide%22%3A%5B%22%3Fbathcoord%22%2C%22%3Flakecoord%22%2C%22%3Fline%22%2C%22%3Fstr%22%2C%22%3Flayer%22%5D%7D%0ASELECT%20%3Fstr%20%3Fbathwater%20%3FbathwaterLabel%20%3Fbathcoord%20%3Flake%20%3FlakeLabel%20%3Flakecoord%20%3Fdist%20%3Fline%20%3FSJOID%20%3Flayer%20%3FEionetBathingWaterIDentifier%20%3FHav%20%3FVISS%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fbathwater%20wdt%3AP6104%20wd%3AQ106774536.%0A%20%20%20%3Fbathwater%20%20wdt%3AP625%20%3Fxx.%0A%20%20%20%3Fbathwater%20%20p%3AP625%20%5B%20a%20wikibase%3ABestRank%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20psv%3AP625%20%5B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3AgeoLatitude%20%3Fbathcoordlat%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3AgeoLongitude%20%3Fbathcoordlon%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3AgeoGlobe%20%3Fglobe%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%5D%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20ps%3AP625%20%3Fbathcoord%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%5D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fbathwater%20wdt%3AP9616%20%3FEionetBathingWaterIDentifier.%20%7D%0A%20%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fbathwater%20wdt%3AP206%20%3Flake.%0A%20%20%20%3Flake%20%20wdt%3AP625%20%3Frr.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Flake%20%20p%3AP625%20%5Ba%20wikibase%3ABestRank%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20psv%3AP625%20%5B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3AgeoLatitude%20%3Flat%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3AgeoLongitude%20%3Flong%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3AgeoGlobe%20%3Fglobe2%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%5D%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20ps%3AP625%20%3Flakecoord%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%5D%0A%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Flake%20wdt%3AP761%20%3FSJOID.%20%7D%0A%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%20BIND%28geof%3Adistance%28%3Fbathcoord%2C%20%3Flakecoord%29%20as%20%3Fdist%29%20.%20%0A%20%20%23filter%20%28%3Fdist%20%3E%3D%203%29%0A%20%20BIND%20%28floor%28%3Fdist%2F10%29%2a10%20as%20%3Flayer%29%20%0A%20%20BIND%28CONCAT%28%27LINESTRING%20%28%27%2C%20STR%28%3Fbathcoordlon%29%2C%20%27%20%27%2C%20STR%28%3Fbathcoordlat%29%2C%20%27%2C%27%2C%20STR%28%3Flong%29%2C%20%27%20%27%2C%20STR%28%3Flat%29%2C%20%27%29%27%29%20AS%20%3Fstr%29%20.%0A%20%20BIND%28STRDT%28%3Fstr%2C%20geo%3AwktLiteral%29%20AS%20%3Fline%29%20%0A%20%20BIND%28URI%28CONCAT%28%22https%3A%2F%2Fbadplatsen.havochvatten.se%2Fbadplatsen%2Fkarta%2F%23%2Fbath%2F%22%2C%3FEionetBathingWaterIDentifier%29%29%20AS%20%20%3FHav%29%0A%20%20BIND%28URI%28CONCAT%28%22https%3A%2F%2Fviss.lansstyrelsen.se%2FWaters.aspx%3FwaterEUID%3DSE%22%2C%3FSJOID%29%29%20AS%20%3FVISS%29%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22en%2Csv%22.%20%7D%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20DESC%28%3Fdist%29 with distance to the center of the lake it is connected to]
 * Bath water in Sweden located in Nature reserves (protected area, geojson)
 * Map of the standard English and Welsh spellings of all places in the database (Source)
 * Films directed by Agnès Varda and their publication date (Source)
 * List of women who hold or have held the position of rector at a university (Source)
 * Schema examples:
 * EntitySchema:E319 - European bath waters
 * Newest WikiProjects:
 * WikiProject European Bath Waters - Europe is open up and its summer - lets add bath waters to Wikidata


 * Development
 * Working on no longer using the Query Service to evaluate Constraints Checks regular expressions (this should make our checks faster and allow for further improvements) (T176312)
 * Changing the rate limits for assigning Item IDs further, which should result in even fewer Q-IDs being skipped in the future (T284538)
 * Finalizing the concepts for a tool to help work on mismatches between Wikidata's data and other databases/websites/...

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Mohammed Sadat (WMDE) 14:41, 14 June 2021 (UTC)