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Plant articles
Nice new plant articles! One general point is that references go after punctuation in the English Wikipedia; you tend to put them before it. Peter coxhead (talk) 14:03, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

It's also a good idea to put a template like on the talk page of a new article (without the "needs-photo" of course if there is one). Peter coxhead (talk) 14:05, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Apologies if you already know this, but when you create an article, go to Wikidata (e.g here) and search for the scientific name of the plant. If you find it (like for example) then scroll down to the box near the bottom headed Wikipedia and use the edit button to add "en" + the plant name. You can then paste the Q number (e.g. Q15380995) as the value of from1 in the taxonbar. If there's a Plants of the World Online article, you can add powo with the IPNI ID as the value. Sometimes the basionym will also be present in Wikidata; if so, it's useful to add its Q number as the value of from2. Peter coxhead (talk) 14:14, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Peter. Very helpful indeed (none of this I knew) MargaretRDonald (talk) 19:32, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * If I can help, please ask. You clearly know how to write a well sourced article, which is more important than all the detail in the Manual of Style – you can pick that up as you go. Do keep on with the good work! Peter coxhead (talk) 21:11, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Some great photos you've uploaded by the way! Peter coxhead (talk) 21:14, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

External site redirection
Just a suggestion, but instead of writing "a more detailed description can be found here (an external site)" or something of the like, try to just integrate the content into the page and reference it. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a website directory. Great job on creating these plant articles though! Keep it up :) Pagliaccious (talk) 14:18, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Pagliaccious. I'll try, but given the extremely terse & technical descriptions found at the various botanical sites, I find I am struggling not to plagiarise.... MargaretRDonald (talk) 17:22, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

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Help me!
Please help me with... showing hidden categories

I can see that this should be able to be modified using the preferences on my user page but just could not find the appropriate button/tick box MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:40, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Go to the appearance, scroll down most of the way. It's the first tickable box under the category "advanced options". —Compassionate727 (T·C) 00:32, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Compassionate727 MargaretRDonald (talk) 00:35, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks
for creating new articles...

few small items - please always check that you are able to add categories - no matter how wide the scope at first and try to learn the habit of adding project tags on the talk page

not in the average to how to start - but these two items at least help stay off the nuisance new article issues

thanks JarrahTree 01:08, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Also although you do not specify your location - your photos suggest a connection - please note that Perth/WA has a good avenue to explore issues wikipedia wise at local meetups - such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth/47 JarrahTree 01:15, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

However we have a problem with categories where they are parents of categories we use (sigh)... JarrahTree 01:21, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

BTW your article creation is astonishingly good and amazingly top quality - welcome to wikipedia - and hope we see a lot more of your work! JarrahTree 01:25, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh dear - heaps of apologies - the beard article gave the sense you might have been a west oz located editor, my apologies.

Meetups are very very informal - rarely records of any sort let alone minutes.

Sydney does have notable editors, over and above national average - namely User:Casliber and the assembled multitude who gather at the meetups JarrahTree 01:56, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Daughter & family in WA.. Hence, the WA photos. Thanks again. I'll start adding some categories.. MargaretRDonald (talk) 03:22, 19 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Haha I used to work in Sydney many many moons ago at fisher library at u of syd - get nostalgic about being paid to wander through the stack at fisher... JarrahTree 08:32, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Could you show me how to add a project tags on the talk page.  Just point me to an example, and I can follow your lead. Thanks, MargaretRDonald (talk) 05:59, 23 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Easy - just check most of edits - (I tend to spend a lot of time adding them - for a specific western australian plant article - why not Eremophila maculata an interesting plant for some complex reasons - I am about to update/upgrade it as it is inadequately tagged -

however it is an extreme example - with an interesting coverage - but it gives you an idea what happens when on the article space - there are categories and text that assert the distribution - the tie in is to do the same in the project tag JarrahTree 06:24, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

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Student edits
I appreciate your concern, but you should treat students like any other Wikipedians - feel free to edit their work and improve what they've done. Or remove work, if it isn't up to snuff. This is especially true for a class that has ended. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:46, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Ian. I did leave stuff on the talk pages of the students concerned, but Jim Cohen, the person giving the course does not even have a talk page (which was disappointing of someone giving a course via Wikipedia (which gives him the wonderful benefit of a history of edits...) I'll wait for a bit and then take your advice and delete what I see fit.  Cheers and thanks again. MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:19, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

North West and Pilbara
If you are having problems with pilbara - spare a thought for the problems of North_West_Australia - as convoluted as Southwest Australia JarrahTree 02:56, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Just horrified. I started to write Pilbara (biogeographic region) and then found it hidden away in a mess of detail about everything... So I have now made a mess of Pilbara in an attempt to draw attention to the fact that it means different things in different contexts. Would you be able to delete my article Pilbara (biogeographic region) as I have now removed all my pointers to it? (Or point me to someone who can do this for me? Cheers MargaretRDonald (talk) 03:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It is also driving me up the wall trying to correctly refer to Eremaean Province, which has changed its definition many times over (not that the article makes reference to that!), and I have been assuming (probably wrongly), that when Florabase refers to "Beard's provinces", these are not necessarily those of IBRA??? MargaretRDonald (talk) 03:21, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The best of all the eds to work on this stuff has walked away from regular wp en editing and lives inside wikisource... sigh...

The cop outs of regions in Tasmania - and Western Australia - those which I know the best, is a good intro/overview like the main southwest, and northwest articles like they are index articles - that explains the multiple meanings of a term. I have not exhaustively re-visited regions of wa for a cleanup JarrahTree 04:51, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Whisperback
23:14, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Uvariopsis korupensis
You only  need to  put  the translation  attrib on the article talk  page. I've also copy edited the article and rephrased a bit to avoid a minor COPYVIO. Keep up  the good work, this is the kind of thing we need, most  of our articles on  genera and species are very  short stubs. If you are going  to  do more translations, don't  hesitate  to  ask if you  need help, French or German, I'm a native speaker of both. is a personal friend and is always willing to help on anything - especially Oz related stuff. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:46, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi I did keep wondering where it kept disappearing to, and then I found it on the talk page...(Good to know) Thanks, MargaretRDonald (talk) 01:52, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Greek words
I saw you asked a question about Greek letters/words on another editor's talk page. Perhaps I can help you. There are two different ways of achieving this. Happy editing στα Ελληνικά. --T*U (talk) 11:57, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 * One solution is to install a Greek keyboard on your computer. How to do this depends on what kind of computer you use, whether it is a full-fledged Mac or PC, a tablet, telephone... Then you just switch to the Greek keyboard while you are typing the Greek text.
 * Another solution is to use a function inside Wikipedia. Perhaps not quite as elegant, but independent of platform. At the top of the editing window you will find the choice "Special characters". There you can choose "Greek" (or "Greek extended" if you need more sophisticated possibilities). Then you just point at the letters you need.


 * I see that T*U has answered your question. There is a third (maybe too obvious to mention!) way of adding Greek text, namely to copy and paste the text from some other online source. --Macrakis (talk) 23:02, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi &, Thank you both for your help (Very helpful) MargaretRDonald (talk) 02:58, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

ext links in text
Is strongly discouraged - with WP:MOS often quoted when being reverted - or turned into refs. viz Velleia_paradoxa - wherever possible it should be either made into a ref or footnote JarrahTree 12:42, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Thanks for that. (Spent a couple of useful hours reading WP:MOS and then finally realised that your message contained everything. I think I have now pulled out the inline references, and made a collections map... MargaretRDonald (talk) 09:13, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

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Sydney meetup
Hi Margaret. I'm contacting you because I understand you attended the most recent Sydney meetup in January. I'm a Wikimedian from Perth, and a member of the Perth meetup group. I will be visiting Sydney on the weekend of 26-27 May, and I'm interested in organising a meetup. Are you available to attend? I'm assuming that the preferred time would be the Saturday evening (26 May), but I could also make it earlier in the day, or on the Sunday during the day. If there's enough interest, I'll create a new page and ping a few other Sydney-based editors. Bahnfrend (talk) 12:40, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * (I didn't manage to get to the Sydney meetup). My preference is always for midday. Evenings are just too difficult. So Saturday or Sunday midday somewhere (presumably in the heart of the city) would suit me well. MargaretRDonald (talk) 19:34, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

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Reference segregator
Pleased to meet you today..... see User:PleaseStand/References segregator for the tool I spoke about. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 05:04, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Likewise, Richard.. (Thanks, for this. I had spotted it on your userpage and secreted in on mine for further exploration, before our meeting. (looks a handy tool). Regards, MargaretRDonald (talk) 05:14, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Terry Macfarlane et al
, I enjoyed our Sydney lunchtime meetup yesterday. I couldn't help looking for more to include on Terry Macfarlane and hope you approve. I will work through the entries on other botanists you've created articles about, using 's references segregator, to see what else I can add! Regards, --Oronsay (talk) 20:26, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Really helpful. (the only reason I've put stuff up about botanists is that it is irritating not knowing at least something about Bryan Alwyn Barlow, Tony Rodd and old-uncle-tom-cobley and all, when their names pop up continually as authors of species.) So I usually whack up some of the species they may have authored +- some of their published articles, just to get a minimal something going.  MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:57, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Page stalker - please note that when you do start/upgrade botanists - please, try hauling out a good bibliographic treasure chest for each - seems some cannot cope with small sets of refs... JarrahTree 14:47, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Margaret, I have also made you a reviewer so hopefully you won't need to have other folks review your articles. Reviews (as most people would understand the term) take place at WP:PR Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:32, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that...Now I have to learn what to do! (All good fun.) Regards MargaretRDonald (talk) 03:21, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, if you create or expand five-fold an article, it can be eligible for WP:DYK. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:54, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. (Not sure, though, how a non-existent article can be increased five-fold...) Cheers, MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:10, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Chellapilla Venkata Rao
Hello, MargaretRDonald. I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, Chellapilla Venkata Rao, for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:


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 Onel 5969  TT me 10:57, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

well done
you appear to have been given a whole baggage of rights today - a well recognised user - well done - JarrahTree 14:26, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . Now I need to start to learn how to use them... Currently no idea. MargaretRDonald (talk) 10:15, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

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 * The correct link to the discussion is Articles_for_deletion/Chellapilla_Venkata_Rao--Oronsay (talk) 04:40, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Strange user page layout
Hi -

I removed * Isaac Newton and * Isaac Newton from your user page.

They were showing up in the left column as if they were different language versions of you user page..... I don't know why this was happening but don't think it was what you intended.

Regards, Ariconte (talk) 08:09, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Ariconte. Good move.  I was experimenting with how to get foreign wikipedia pages.   MargaretRDonald (talk) 09:01, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That's how they are meant to work, they are how you add interwiki links to a page. If you just want to link to one inline, use a colon - eg fr:Isaac Newton gives the link fr:Isaac Newton. In fact adding a colon in front is the way to stop most kinds of special links from doing their special thing so that you can link to them, so for instance. would normally add this page to the category, whereas Category:Flora gives you the clickable link Category:Flora. (and the    tags strip all cleverness away so you can display them as above) Le Deluge (talk) 13:01, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Thanks for that. It's a question I have been asking myself for a while. MargaretRDonald (talk) 19:13, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks for the education ... I knew about the Catagory use but thought the :fr etc. was a interpretor defect.  Regards, Ariconte (talk) 20:46, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

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Category:Electronic florae
A couple of comments about this edit where you added to State Herbarium of South Australia. For one thing, you should only add categories that describe that actual article - so in this case a herbarium is not a flora, even if it is involved in making one, you'd only add that category to an article about a flora. As a general comment, category names take sentence case, so the F should not be capitalised - see WP:Categorisation. Per WP:REDNOT you shouldn't add red-linked categories, either create the category or don't add it. And if you had created it and tried to categorise it you would have found that one parent category is so for consistency it ought to be. But since we already have I would have just used that - I know they're not quite the same thing as a flora, but they're close enough for these purposes. Sorry to bombard you with all this, hopefully it is helpful. Cheers. Le Deluge (talk) 12:54, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Thanks for all that.  I sort of think I have a glimmering of what you are saying..  (You'll probably need to keep monitoring me on this issue, until I finally get your drift..) Regards, and thanks, MargaretRDonald (talk) 19:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

regions always help

 * Acanthocarpus_canaliculatus - where at all possible viz our current biota parameters - flora/ibra/beard whatever - regions always give more credence... the map at https://florabase.dpaw.wa.gov.au/browse/profile/1205 gives us https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan_Coastal_Plain - and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geraldton_Sandplains  - just a thought, but helluva better than no specific - west oz is a bloody big place, at the best of times  JarrahTree 09:26, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I was just being lazy. (I did put in a link to the AVH distribution map, though) MargaretRDonald (talk) 09:30, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * no big deal - it is always worth the effort and keeps the flies away JarrahTree 09:32, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it is also always a marvellous incentive for the IBRA red links to be fixed - they have been all too red for too long JarrahTree 12:06, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

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DYK for Cochlospermum fraseri
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The Wikipedia Library
As discussed: The Wikipedia Library. —Sam Wilson 03:56, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . Thanks for this.  (For some reason I didn't notice it yesterday and I was left wondering about it.)  MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:48, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

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Suggestion for avoiding dab links
You seem to get notifications frequently regarding links to dab pages you have added to articles. Personally, I've enabled a gadget that displays links to dab pages as orange instead of blue that you might like to consider trying. It makes it very easy to see them while viewing an article or preview. In your preferences, under the "Gadgets" tab, it's the fifth item from the bottom of the "Appearance" section. Hope this helps, and happy editing. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 22:44, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, (T That's very thoughtful of you. MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:49, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

12 years of not capturing the full scope
The biota material is usually project tagged by people who are neither.... oh dear one cannot say that on wiki... lots of tidying up put it that way.... JarrahTree 05:23, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * the totality of the challenge faces us like a bloody mastodon with bad breath -https://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yes&projecta=Australian_biota&importance=Unknown-Class JarrahTree 06:00, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Then all the proximity issues arise like a tibetan mastif with dental issues - all the adjacent projects have missing teeth everywhere JarrahTree 06:44, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Would you like to give an example so that I can start to understand what you mean here? I am not sure what the problem (of the "full scope") is... MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:41, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * ah others have struggled with my allusive tangential expressions, you are not the first...


 * Biota - the ideal scope/totality would be all plant/animal articles in the australian project to be captured by the scope of the biota project - but many eds in the old days only put 'australia' on the talk page (including self) - thus:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Australia_portals
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Australia

does not even go into the range of detail that would capture sub branches of knowledge


 * at least https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Australia-related_WikiProjects does

but then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Australian_biota_articles identifies over 16k

then to follow from that the assessment table identifies less than actual that number...

https://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/table.fcgi?project=Australian_biota

but if we look to see whether anyone has the slightest interest - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Australian_biota_articles

indicates that 13k have not been assessed... in relation to the importance scale in the project assessment

and a norman gunston aka random sample test yesterday of less than 10 articles or categories that are linked

show that there is an unknown unknown of articles and categories that logically exist within the domain of the biota project that have not been caught by a tag on the talk page...

So in my rather mathematically challenged perception of the notion of scope - the biota project scope in numerical terms is there could well be a domain/territory of a probably 20k article/item project that is not yet developed in either assessment or claiming articles as being related.

Hope the further confusion re my comment is clarified sufficiently confusedly. JarrahTree 00:03, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. However, I think it would be worthwhile to enlist the help of someone who is good with bots. I went to Category:Unknown-importance Australian biota articles  the very first article of which (Talk:Abantiades albofasciatus )  has been rated of low importance in all(?) of the groupings with which it was associated.  So there needs to be an automatic way of cleaning up Category:Unknown-importance Australian biota articles.... which should be relatively easy for those who write code which automatically assigns hidden categories to the articles I write: in particular, the moment the importance has been assigned, the above category should be removed!! (Surely if an article is categorised as project Australia}|biota=yes|importance=low then it has indeed been assessed and should not appear on this list.. See, e.g., Talk:Abantiades albofasciatus)      MargaretRDonald (talk) 02:15, 29 June 2018 (UTC)


 * we both know that if we had a few eds regularly adding material about moths, trees and etc - that the 20k would be probably a very slight estimation and it could be bigger - the uncaught aspects of the biota field is the link you gave last - the moths - which leads to inadequately tagged items... it is endless... I am certain a concerted attempt to catch items not yet appropriately tagged simply improves the whole idea of the biota cleanup - there are items from the deep dark past that have not been included yet... JarrahTree 03:46, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

thanks
non verbal manner of thanks for the encouraging talk the other day... I have given up on barnstars now:

Hopefully self explanatory biota collection (maybe), I left Palmyra (Syria) out and left Vienna in, apparently the EC is about to destroy the internet as we knew it, it seems... JarrahTree 11:23, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks (Gallery much nicer. I find Barnstars singularly unattractive. MargaretRDonald (talk) 11:33, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * inspiring discussion - has my very divergent thinking even more divergent ! will probably draw on my resource of various photos of odd things as a way of saying thanks, gday and similar whatevers... JarrahTree 12:13, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Me too
Hello Margaret - thanks for the range maps on Calectasia species - they're great. Sorry I missed you at the last meetup. Gderrin (talk) 02:46, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries. (I like a range map and they were nice articles...) MargaretRDonald (talk) 03:39, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Homestead
Not sure what the process is in that situation - not sure it's possible to formally use an email as a source in that way.

Still great to have it correct, though - better to be right and someone can come along and add a formal source later in my book. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 06:49, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Billardia article
Hi, I’ve just checked the link again, and it seems correct - i.e. it is the RHS citation showing that the plant has indeed won the AGM. I’m at a loss to understand how the same link can be pointing you elsewhere! Obviously this plant is nothing but bad news for Australia, something it has in common with many alien species that have found their way on to Ozzie soil. I have no idea whether the plant is particularly troublesome in its native habitat. Regards Darorcilmir (talk) 09:05, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi I'll try the link again... (And no there is no problem in WA.  Just bad news in VIC & SA.) MargaretRDonald (talk) 09:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Finally spotted. (A tiny little symbol to the right of the name!!) MargaretRDonald (talk) 09:33, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think B. heterophylla will be tricky to improve given confusiion over names etc. Will take another look later. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:02, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Agreed (the taxonomy/phylogeny ssems to be a real mess) Thanks for thinking about it. MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:21, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Maireana eponymy
Hello MargaretRDonald, the genus Maireana was described by Moquin in 1840. So it cannot be named in honor of René Maire, who was born much later in 1878. It could be more probably named after the French botanist Charles Antoine Lemaire (1801–1871), who was working at Paris (=Lutetia) at the same time like Moquin, see Moquin's publication. --Thiotrix (talk) 12:41, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * In Plant genera named after people (1753-1853) by JOSE A. MARI MUT (2017), I found this: "Maireana: for Maire, botanist, had a large herbarium rich in Parisian (Lutetian) plants which, due to his advanced age, he donated in 1866 to Ernst Cosson. Source: original publication (Chenopodearum Monographica Enumeratio, p. 95. 1840). See also Actes du Congres International de Botanique term a Paris en Aout 1867... p. 235-336. 1867." Kind regards, --Thiotrix (talk) 15:55, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes I found that too, (in the Latin of Moquin's original description) and didn't notice the date discrepancy!! So, do you think we can confidently describe it as honouring Lemaire? MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:09, 8 July 2018 (UTC)  I see the article on Lemaire does indeed describe Maireana as being named in his honour.  MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:14, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reading so carefully, Regards, MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:53, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * In FloraBase, Lemaire is given as the eponymy. But Lemaire was usually cited as "Lemaire", and not as "Maire". Additionally, Maireana is not mentioned as an eponym of Lemaire in "Taxonomic Literature". So José A. Mari Mut, p. 364 could be right, that "Maire" may refer to a different French botanist and collector. Kind regards, --Thiotrix (talk) 05:55, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think your first instinct was correct. The dates do not stack up. Lemaire's botanic abbreviation is Lem. (but I think a lot of this was mostly formalised well after 1840, and the Le is a particle which was often dropped (see the entry immediately after Maireana in Jose Mari Mut José A. Mari Mut, p. 364) I am inclined to take Florabase as the more reliable source. MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:33, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

This also raises questions about the unsourced comment in René Maire on the epithet mairei. MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:33, 9 July 2018 (UTC) Perhaps we should reference this discussion on René Maire and Charles Antoine Lemaire to open it to a wider mob? MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:36, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You could ask directly at the Herbarium in Paris P. They may have archives of their collectors, and probably know for sure, if the collector Maire of Herb. Cosson is identical with Charles Antoine Lemaire. --Thiotrix (talk) 18:19, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . Brilliant suggestion. Thanks very much.  I will. Regards, MargaretRDonald (talk) 00:17, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

small favour
When I saw hakea spathulata was a red link, got tempted, but, 2014 it got changed by turner describing it into neospathulata - I have photographed it a few times - but seem to have lost where neospathulata flowering time and colour is - I am sure the current part of the article is very wrong - please - where did I lose a flowering and colour info but? any thoughts ? JarrahTree 00:44, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi http://www.anbg.gov.au/abrs/online-resources/flora/stddisplay.xsql?pnid=45924 has Hakea auriculata flowering from June-Novermber, bu when the subspecies (now species) flowers is not clear: As you would have seen Florabase gives no flowering times and the species was described too late for flora of Australia online. I am still farting around checking out the primary references so I may find an answer. In the meantime the flora of australia link would give a reasooable partial description, particularly if you feel tempted to use the key. Cheers, MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:58, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi The description by Barker allows a reasonable description of the plant but still no flowering times. (And not in Turner either) Perhaps Bentham might give them but I doubt it... So you may be out of luck on this but Barker should be useful.  Links to Pdf are now given in the article.  Cheers, MargaretRDonald (talk) 00:01, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I am 90% sure I have pictures of the flower taken in the beelu national park either in my collection or commons - it is a red to maroon colour, and you addition of the Barker taxonomy part of the article is brilliant and much appreciated - thank you JarrahTree 00:03, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Now I am trying to get a handle on oz biota - there are categories that do not even include australia in category talk pages - even when they are endemic! arrgggghhh JarrahTree 00:44, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Appreciation
Great work. I really admire u. In today's fast pace life, no body is caring for correct usage of English. But u took care & made it proper. Hat'soff to u. Thank u very much Sri Harsha 12:59, 27 July 2018 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MKS Harsha (talk • contribs)
 * Hi No worries.  (I find incorrect English difficult to read, and one of the nice things about Wikipedia is that I can fix some of the English while reading about things I want to know about.)  I had passed the same statue of Arjuna that is featured in the article and wanted to know a little about him. MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:12, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Melbourne Girls Grammar
Please source the claim that it was previously known as Melbourne Church of England Girls' Grammar School. And if you do source and re-add it please don't just add the initialism without mentioning what the letters stand for,. "MCEGGS" is not self explanatory. Meters (talk) 22:50, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

your turn...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_Bushland_Reserve - JarrahTree 10:19, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Only too happy,  MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:13, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * thanks for that - it needs more text at some stage but no rush JarrahTree 23:50, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Better to go the other way around
try creating from the wikipedia side we now have two...
 * https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q56192005

Will get someone to merge/delete mine at some point.


 * Create data links from the wikipedia side, if you need a walk through, can do that for you


 * Broun item has a good library level description (ie the trove entry) of research re the swan coastal plain and the gnangara mound as far as i could see from a very brief glimpse


 * Unlikely to get my hands on in the short term - Keighery B.J. and Trudgen, M.E. (1992). The Remnant Vegetation of the Eastern Side of the Swan Coastal Plain. Unpublished report to the Department of Conservation and Land Management for the National Estate Grants Program.


 * there might be likelihood of some sort of linkage with and  - or not... JarrahTree 00:28, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Why don't you just go ahead and delete the wikidata item for Kensington Bushland...? MargaretRDonald (talk) 00:41, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

neither an admin or tweaker on data - will ask my friends there - its a jungle in there - yours is a better entry JarrahTree 00:44, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Given that the article links to the wikidata item Kensington Bushland Reserve and takes its automatic mapping from there, my preference is to delete the wikidata item Kensington Bushland, but it really is not an issue, it can serve as an alias just as earlier species names still have wikidata entries, so it doesn't pose a problem. MargaretRDonald (talk) 00:48, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * granddaughter day - the weather is nice probably wont be near computer for rest of day - cheers JarrahTree 01:04, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries. Have a great day. MargaretRDonald (talk) 01:18, 20 August 2018 (UTC)


 * hmm thats another challenge - the whole bush forever thing - another neglected aspect of reserves in the west oz articles JarrahTree 02:38, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

hope that
this is less cryptic or allusive or elusive than my explaining other things

what you have in your sandbox does link with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gingin_scarp, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eneabba_sandplain and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dandaragan_plateau in terms of geological explanation of the issues of north of the perth basin however the geological explanation and linkage was not higlighted when creating them - more a case of attaching minor  plant issues... sigh JarrahTree 00:08, 24 August 2018 (UTC)


 * when I read on the north by a subsidiary fault running north-west from Bullsbrook - is how I make the connection with the above items JarrahTree 00:30, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * (I have a lot of paraphrasing,rewriting, etc before that article sees the light of day....) MargaretRDonald (talk) 09:31, 24 August 2018 (UTC)


 * went to the western side gate at the reserve after my voluntary work this afternoon - its just across the road from where my father used to meet up with his ag department vet surgeons friends and when jarrah road was a through road...JarrahTree 13:50, 24 August 2018 (UTC)


 * http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/25017/20030327-0000/www.aciar.gov.au/publications/proceedings/104/PR104/paper14.html looks interesting

JarrahTree 16:20, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Some great resources there. Thanks very much. (I think it all probably should go into the Swan Coastal Plain, with internal references digging deep down.). Still need to write the damned thing, as opposed to collecting sources. It would be great to get a public domain map... MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:17, 24 August 2018 (UTC)


 * my problem - every time someone links a name of an australian plant - a quick check either not australia, or no biota, or biota-importance - its more than I can do in one lifetime I think - to catch up to square one... JarrahTree 23:31, 26 August 2018 (UTC)


 * got rid of the speedy delete item - msgs only on talk page never on main space even when it seems to make sense JarrahTree 00:46, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

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Sydney meetup
There will be a meetup in Sydney on the 12 of September. More info at Meetup/Sydney/September 2018. Bidgee (talk) 10:00, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

There might be a glitch in the stuff - let bidgee know JarrahTree 00:38, 4 September 2018 (UTC) There is a wikipedia seminar at the State Library from 9:30 an-4:00 pm (with the afternoon session no longer available -too few places. I put in a bid to get the room shifted to something which might accommodate more people. At this point my plan is to to see what transpires. (And if I manage to get crammed into the afternoons session, then the timing of Bidgee's meetup is OK.) MargaretRDonald (talk) 00:51, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

wow
very impressed by your hard work - very impressed, the Australian biota field is being enriched and made so much better by your involvement! Thanks!!! JarrahTree 03:48, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, MargaretRDonald (talk) 06:02, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

OSM maps
Would you be able to hold off on doing these and have a discussion about them first? I totally see the usefulness of the map content, but cutting the map out of the infobox and replacing it with something roughly stuck on the bottom looks very ugly. It would be amazing if they could be integrated into the infobox - but mass-replacing them before asking that question isn't a good solution in my book - and IMO they're of dubious value if they can't be integrated. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 05:03, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, just finished when I got your note... They can be integrated into the infobox when the infobox is a park see e.g., Kings Park, Western Australia, or if the infobox is an Italian commune, (see Bolzano), but somehow the Sydney suburbs infobox doesn't allow the maplink parameter. Obviously it would be sensible to ask someone to work on the suburb infobox to allow them to be integrated.  But in my opinion, being there is useful, 1) because it makes people see the need for action, and 2) because they are the more useful maps. (Those huge statewide maps with just a point, are in my opinion, pretty useless.)  All of this just takes time.  And even though you find them ugly (while I find them informative), I hope you will leave them, until a better solution is found. I am sorry you find them ugly. Perhaps you know someone who will be able to help?  MargaretRDonald (talk) 05:17, 19 September 2018 (UTC)


 * See the conversation at the AWNB - there are at least two Australian editors who actually turn up to conversations on the talk page who would be qualified to explain the issues - JarrahTree 06:46, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Black Armada
Thanks for your edits on Black Armada—I just wanted to check if the quote you added is a passage from Rupert Lockwood's book (i.e. a quote from him) or someone else? If so, can you add the attribution in addition to the citation (I suggest using the Template:Quote template)? Cheers, --Canley (talk) 00:45, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The quote template gives a splendid result. Thanks. MargaretRDonald (talk) 07:43, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks (I find the whole story utterly rivetting). I'll try using the template you suggest in future. However, the quote has the reference given within the block quote section, so in my innocence I thought I had managed to attribute the quote quite unequivocally to Lockwood (Black Armada, 1975). IMargaretRDonald (talk) 00:55, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * So do I! I wrote the article after seeing the exhibition at the National Maritime Museum, and realising there was no mention of the incident on Wikipedia. In fact, there is quite a lack of content on the whole NEI government-in-exile in Australia, so I started a few other articles such as Netherlands Indies Government Information Service. I've added the context of the quote and the template, hope you don't mind. --Canley (talk) 03:34, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Very happy. I must have bought Black Armada (at an ALP conference) when it came out. I loved the book then, and still do... If you feel inclined to write Netherlands East Indies Government-in-exile, I would be delighted. Meanwhile, I am still fiddling. (It's a very frustrating book: once he has set a date at the beginning of a chapter, the best you get is that something happened on the "24 September", and so I completely got the dates wrong for the Tanah Merah prisoners arriving in Oz..  MargaretRDonald (talk) 03:43, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

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the CSd set
CSD set - It can be in the pull down menu - and G7 looks as good as any JarrahTree 23:18, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Tom. (A bit more explanation would be helpful - I have no idea what you are talking about!!!) Cheers, MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:43, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * If you are in wA - a meetup over coffee and Ill show you all... JarrahTree 23:48, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * or if you are not - then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Twinkle is worth enabling in your preferences - gadgets... JarrahTree 23:51, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I have to drop off the girls at school & pick them up at 3pm. So morning would suit. Perhaps 11 am somewhere? The library? MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:53, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * done ie library coffee shop 11 amJarrahTree 23:55, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * See you there MargaretRDonald (talk) 00:19, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * more likely 11.30 at this stage due to a delaying issue JarrahTree 01:47, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Evad37/rater is well worth looking at  JarrahTree 04:34, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * lead sentences should have specific location of distribution where ever possible - that then facilitates the project tagging on the talk page to a specific state or area... JarrahTree 03:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * as an example - from the text or the lead - in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribonanthes could be in a mexican desert for all we know JarrahTree 03:21, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

endangered
in my rather peripatetic wanderings in the mysteries of the plants project I have realised that most australian endangered species had been deemed low for everything - I have ventured, dare I say, to change that. Considering the relative small populations of some, they seem to, from the reading of the info, deserve more than low importance... please feel free to challenge my assertions at any of the said items. Thanks. JarrahTree 06:58, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I am happy for you to do whatever you wish on this. Cheers, MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:14, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

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Help me!
I have seen (but can no longer find) the use in a species box of a link to an external image. I am hoping someone can help me with putting a link to an external image in the speciesbox. (Thanks)

MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:26, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


 * You can find the template code and the available parameters at Template:Speciesbox. I don't see a parameter that would be useful for this purpose, and if there were a link to an external image, the image wouldn't be displayed. The "External links" section at the bottom of the article seems a better place for a link to an external image, if that link should be added to the article at all. Huon (talk) 20:50, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I had found the template and like you could not find what I have seen in the past. I had already used the solution you have suggested, but would prefer the link to be in the speciesbox as it is here that the instantaneous species summary is found, while external links are often neither noticed nor read. MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:59, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I rather don't think such a use of external links agrees with the relevant guideline WP:EL. The best solution would be to find (or create) a freely licensed image. Huon (talk) 10:15, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for the (internal) link. Very helpful. (And, sadly, the ideal solution is all too frequently not available - plants in other states/countries/threatened etc.) MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:03, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * There might be arboreta or botanical gardens that have a specimen. Or we could ask someone who has taken a photo to release that image under a free license; sometimes people are willing to do that. See WP:Requesting copyright permission. Huon (talk) 20:11, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Linking categories
If you want to link to a category (but not place a page in the category) precede it with a colon. Category:Botany external link templates produces Category:Botany external link templates. Plantdrew (talk) 20:20, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I did spot that I had failed and got around it by using the web address instead, but that solution is far far better of course. MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:39, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Thomas Patrick Burke
Hi. Editing an "article for deletion" has a somewhat tricky protocol. You may make as many comments, bring as many arguments and sources as you wish to a discussion. However, you need to give only one opinion. In this discussion you have made three comments using keep, should bedeleted and, a gain, keep. So, in a case where you thought, for example, keep, bu tsubsequent arguments, evidence made you change your mind, the thing to do is to strike the keep, and give your new opinion, which might be delete. You are free to change opinions as often as you wish, but always strike your previous opinion, so that we can all follow the argument. Cheers.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:09, 6 November 2018 (UTC)


 * That is so weird, to have arguments about something like that - there has to be something going on there - about that other than the subject - weird weird, weird really weird. JarrahTree 00:17, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks I will do that in future.
 * The whole thing is not terrific: the two related articles The Wynnewood Institute & Thomas Patrick Burke were both paid for contributions by the same person. I think Burke probably qualifies as notable.  However there is absolutely no evidence (despite its incorporation) that shows the institute consists of anything more than one man, giving lectures and arranging for lectures to be given. (In addition, its website shows no evidence of any lecture activity after 2011!!! And there are currently no upcoming events)  I did quite a lot of editing on Burke, because the the article felt like an advertisement and it irritated me. But I do think it qualifies but not the The Wynnewood Institute..... MargaretRDonald (talk) 00:43, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Pursuing the related issue of The Wynnewood Institute, Additional information given in this article is 1)that it is incorporated, and 2) it lists the lecturers (T.P. Burke and others). I don't know the how to put up this one for deletion, but believe that would be appropriate, as again, secondary sources are minimal. Any chance of either of you doing so?? Cheers, MargaretRDonald (talk) 01:01, 7 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Paid editing sucks. period. JarrahTree 03:37, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Indeed. And she was paid by an advertising agency! MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:36, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Apologies for adolescent terminology from a geriatric such as self, but the general issue arouses some rather base sentiments JarrahTree 02:10, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

status in importance
I have tried to get a sense of importance for anything in endangered or higher as being mid importance, and anything verging on extinction as being high/top - any thoughts on classifications like that at all ? (there is probably an earlier discussion I havent checked higher up this page, but... cheers JarrahTree 23:12, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've taken the view that in botany or zoology anything at the species level has low importance. And tend to prefer that view, particularly as the various categories of threatened species may change: For example in checking out the SPRAT entries for Acacia wardelii and Acacia ramiflora, I found both had been removed from the EPBC threatened lists. See  and .  But I am easy with whichever decision you wish to make and will not change whatever you choose to do (although when I come to do it, at this stage, I will continue with my current practice unless I can be persuaded that it is vitally important that I change. (I find it  hard enough keeping articles up-to-date without having to worry about the talk pages too!!) Cheers, MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:26, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If you prefer, I'll leave out the importance parameter when I put in a review? MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:28, 16 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Wow you bring up some very salient points - phew - best place for us to continue - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Australian_biota JarrahTree 00:03, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Good move. Cheers. MargaretRDonald (talk) 00:11, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

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distribution maps
excellent! brilliant! raising standard of the articles just like that, thank you! happy christmas! JarrahTree 23:13, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Happy Christmas, . It's immensely hard work: Having created the maps, I generally have to create a whole pile of categories in the commons to make things easily findable. I first created these maps on 22 November, and I have still only uploaded half of them! (Glad you are appreciating them.) MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:26, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The visual amenity is something a lot of biota articles have like severe minus - to have a dist map is something I would bump up assessment of the article on the basis of the map alone, it takes us so much closer to what the herbarium sites have as basics. as for your hard work, it is much appreciated, and deserving of many thanks for raising the bar of quality JarrahTree 23:45, 7 December 2018 (UTC)


 * all that hard work - thanks so much for all the extra maps - I am sure people do not realise or understand the effort gone into that JarrahTree 09:43, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I am working on a response on my commons page. See User:MargaretRDonald/sandbox/Problem with range map but I need some answers from WA herbarium (PERTH) and from various others before I put anything further up on my commons talk page. In the meantime, you can see a discussion of AVH data on Talk:Ficus coronata and the map which resulted from the discussion in Ficus coronata.  In any case, occurrence data is always illuminating, so I shall continue... MargaretRDonald (talk) 19:45, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

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Captions in January
The previous message from today says captions will be released in November in the text. January is the correct month. My apologies for the potential confusion. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:43, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - file captions coming this week (January 2019)
My apologies if this is a duplicate message for you, it is being sent to multiple lists which you may be signed up for.

Hi all, following up on last month's announcement...

Multilingual file captions will be released this week, on either Wednesday, 9 January or Thursday, 10 January 2019. Captions are a feature to add short, translatable descriptions to files. Here's some links you might want to look follow before the release, if you haven't already:


 * 1) Read over the help page for using captions - I wrote the page on mediawiki.org because captions are available for any MediaWiki user, feel free to host/modify a copy of the page here on Commons.
 * 2) Test out using captions on Beta Commons.
 * 3) Leave feedback about the test on the captions test talk page, if you have anything you'd like to say prior to release.

Additionally, there will be an IRC office hour on Thursday, 10 January with the Structured Data team to talk about file captions, as well as anything else the community may be interested in. Date/time conversion, as well as a link to join, are on Meta.

Thanks for your time, I look forward to seeing those who can make it to the IRC office hour on Thursday. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:09, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Macrozamia riedlei
– Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

grasses of australia
is something that needs to happen - in very roundabout way am trying to extract from current unhelpful range of items that constitute what they are - inspired by the local items by Una who as on the committee for a while some years back - any thoughts ideas or inspirations welcome, noting the other states dont seem to have much distinction from the absurd 'oceania' range  JarrahTree 02:13, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Could you spell out a little more what you are trying to say? (Not sure what it is you would like me - and others - to do.) Cheers, MargaretRDonald (talk) 19:23, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * apology for the enigmatic message - delayed - I used to be on a committee with una bell, and she has produced some very good material on perth area native grasses - I was contemplating playing with the whole oceania category as Australia isnt separated out from it - I was potentially looking for advice as to whether the kensington location had native grasses and if so how you got on with the material that you could locate... but it will be much more erratic as I had hoped as I have mislaid my materials... maybe it was as much whether you had done any articles on grasses and how you went - but even then it might be something I am unable to develop systematically for a while, not sure - case of wait and see...  JarrahTree 10:33, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * If I had her book I might have a crack at the Kensington grasses, but the last time I was there, it was just too hard to climb the fence to get decent photographs, plus for grasses even when they are flowering you often need a microscope.... which I don't have when I am in Perth.. So I suspect grasses may well be among the last plants to have good articles on Wikipedia. MargaretRDonald (talk) 17:59, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * next time n perth remind me i have spare copies of hers - very big problem is cross national boundaries - there seem to be 'regional' spread of grasses which doesnt make things easier - after initial idea it has become very low priority after a closer look at things... JarrahTree 23:16, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks . That would be fantastic. (Now I just have to be able to climb the fence and take a sample and look as if that is entirely ok... ) PS I am still working through the plants of Kensington Bushland. MargaretRDonald (talk) 02:08, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * np - the main focus she has is on the scarp - and the other thing for the sw of wa is the destruction of riparine environments - the late luke pen did lots about the recovery of such - that is another possible wa of looking at grasses and similar species that are riverside items JarrahTree 02:20, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 20 – 31 January 2019
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:53, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ficus coronulata
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

got there at last
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Australian_biota_articles - under 10k - please it would help if you create new biota articles if you could be please be kind enough to put biota-importance=low  - which is the default - so we keep the number under 10 k - it would be much appreciated if you can help with this (keeping the number down that is) - thanks... JarrahTree 08:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry to be so slack... PS thanks for noting the orphan status of McKee, (I started another article to reduce his orphan status) MargaretRDonald (talk) 08:45, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * nah no big deal it is all interesting to look at anyways - I would have tried to help re the orphan thing, but hey - it looked difficult! Back to India I say....  JarrahTree 08:51, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

important
as always australian biota gets walked over by mostly unheard eds...  - not that I can keep up with some of the more hyperbolic tangents... JarrahTree 06:08, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * plonked in my Oppose for what it is worth. MargaretRDonald (talk) 07:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I honestly think when they are on a mission - editors actually involved get ignored... :(   JarrahTree 07:35, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Copyright problem on Council of Heads of Australasian Herbaria
Content you added to the above article appears to have been copied from http://www.chah.gov.au/. Copying text directly from a source is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed and I paraphrased some. Content you add to Wikipedia should be written in your own words. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 12:58, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing it. (I got a bit careless, because the text was identical on several source sites...) MargaretRDonald (talk) 12:37, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 32
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Facto Post – Issue 21 – 28 February 2019
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:02, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Help me!
I have inserted an image (the top one) in Elizabeth Nodder. It shows in the preview but there is only an empty space in the published article. Can you help?

MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:47, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * The Naturalist's miscellany? I can see that image correctly. Maybe it's a cache issue? You could try reloading the page. Huon (talk) 22:54, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Great. I'll cease worrying. MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:02, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Images
Hello Margaret, I am sorry our paths have not crossed at meet-ups. I want to thank you personally for your fantastic maps on plant pages (and everything else as well). Also want you to know I only reverted your edit on the D. pulchellum talk page because there were already two requests for images there. ("Wikipedia requested images of plants" and "Wikipedia requested photographs in Australia".) Three seemed a bit much. I get your meaning though. Now there's just one. `Good thing is, it's prompted me to go looking for images myself when it's in flower - it grows not too far from where I live. (Also to expand the article.) Just need a bit of rain!! Gderrin (talk) 05:12, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hopefully, we will catch up soon, and I hope despite the rain you have some luck in your image hunting. MargaretRDonald (talk) 12:41, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Wrong photo for Ursinia anthemoides
As a person who uses Wikipedia but does not write articles, I appreciate the work you do. I want to point out something that seems clearly incorrect: the photo on the page for Ursinia anthemoides appears to be something else altogether, certainly not the variety known as "Solar Fire."2601:644:200:85ED:6871:F66D:BE47:769A (talk) 19:46, 23 March 2019 (UTC) Bill Gretter
 * Dear Bill, thank you for this. For what it is worth, the photograph is of the seeds ("with their flower like wings" and not of the flower. MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:08, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

April 2019
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:00, 25 March 2019 (UTC) via MassMessaging

(Please excuse this post if it is a duplicate!)

Facto Post – Issue 22 – 28 March 2019
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:45, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

A line
Your approach to contributing to articles is going to be raised at a notice board, it strongly discouraging to get metres of seemingly coherent but actually circular self justification for a minuscule contribution that looks like some who heard of wikipedia yesterday. Your recent contribution read like a talk page comment that somehow ended up in the article. I did hours of work on a high profile page and you inserted some historical data that I had already established was out of date, about two minutes effort maximum on your part and I did not dare touch it for the hours you could waste in discussing you and your contribution. A copy editor revised it your contribution the moment they saw, with a rude comment about the same and I hoped you would start up with them instead. I still work around your contributions if I go near any article you have added before, and avoided articles to avoid your exhausting self-vindication. If someone enjoyed wasting other peoples time this is an excellent way to go about it, but it is possible that you cannot be wrong, either way this is your last warning because I am prepared to invest time in demonstrating a net loss via your contributions. Your options are to accept that everyone else is slightly or very wrong and not waste their time where only you have convinced yourself that you are right to engage in the community in this demonstrably unproductive way. cygnis insignis 17:18, 6 April 2019 (UTC)