User talk:Margie Beaton

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Hi Margie Beaton: I noticed you had never been welcomed and given links to look up our policies and guidelines. Please don't remove referenced material, references, or pictures, and notice that a claim such as "unique in North America" requires an independent reference. See our principle of verifiability and the associated explanation of what kinds of sources we prefer. Yngvadottir (talk) 14:46, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you for your assistance in my editing process. I'm hoping to correct inaccurate information as currently seen. As seen here: the prefix "royal" as requested by the college's board of directors.[1][2] - both references do not include the words 'requested by' so it's false information. The College, as mentioned, doesn't use the title in operations, so I would like to be edit the top general information as that too, is misleading. Margie Beaton (talk) 18:22, 14 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I'll leave the template unchanged to draw others' eyes to this, but I re-examined the sources. The two cited refer to a request being made and to the college being (at that time) glad the Queen had agreed. Finch's letter, cited later for its point of view, states that the request was made by "Ottawa" after local consultations. So I have amended the article to say that the request was from the Canadian Government. I hope that fixes the main point. There has been some past discussion of the lead paragraph, and since that is the official name of the college, and the lede does state that the college does not generally use the prefix, I don't believe it should be further changed. Unless there is a newer reference stating that the college has actually reversed the name change? Yngvadottir (talk) 19:14, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/03/10/gaelic-college-wont-use-_n_4936607.html As indicated in this article, our official name remains unchanged. In keeping with our branding, we use the title Colaisde na Gàidhlig | The Gaelic College in day to day use. Margie Beaton (talk) 21:25, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * That's what the article says, and it cites either that source or a very similar one. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:45, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

It's close, but not quite right. We're just "The Gaelic College" for the English title, not the "Cape Breton Gaelic College." (article title) This line of text: "officially The Royal Cape Breton Gaelic College (Colaisde Rìoghail na Gàidhlig" is incorrect as officially, our legal name is The Gaelic College of Celtic Arts and Crafts. This would change also the sidebar summary info to the right of the page to not include Royal in either English or Gaelic. It is not our official name.

I would also like to submit a more up-to-date photo of our campus. Thank you for your help with this! Margie Beaton (talk) 22:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree regarding the de facto name and have moved the article accordingly. Regarding the official name, however, the lone third-party source disagrees with you. If the official name was changed again, please present a reliable source that says so. Regarding the image, if it has been (or can be) released by the copyright holder under a free license that allows everybody to re-use and modify it for any purpose, including commercial purposes, you can upload it to the Wikimedia Commons via their Upload Wizard. If the image has previously been published elsewhere, and the site where it was originally published does not confirm that it's indeed freely licensed, you (or the copyright holder, if you don't own the copyright) will have to send a confirmation email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org - see the standard release form. Huon (talk) 23:31, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Please see and view our official Foundation Act. You will see under the section 'Objects' or 5, letter d, the following: "to own, operate, develop and promote the facility to be known as the Gaelic College of Celtic Arts and Crafts at St. Ann's in the County of Victoria and to manage the affairs of the College;" Margie Beaton (talk) 14:50, 16 January 2015 (UTC) Margie Beaton (talk) 21:58, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Can someone look into my reference and aid in my initial question?
 * Could you repost your query, unfortunatly its not easy to draw out from the sections of text above. Amortias (T)(C) 23:54, 3 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I do not see how a 1980s document, last amended in 1999, can indicate how the college is currently named. A name change has been widely publicized and reported on in reliable sources. Nothing the Foundation wrote decades before that name change is relevant regarding the current name. Huon (talk) 00:12, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

What you can see from that document is that no change has happened since then to the official name. The honour was bestowed, but no name change was had, as also read in those widely publicized reports. The official name remains. This page has incorrect information.


 * No, it doesn't work that way. We cannot take the fact that the Foundation didn't update its document and interpret it to mean that the College didn't change its name. For example, the Foundation may have chosen to simply ignore a name change that happened but that they disagreed with. Or they simply might have been negligent in updating their documents. The article's lone third-party source, CTV News, says it has been renamed, and the Foundation document does not contradict that, simply because it's more than a decade older than any discussion about the name change can be. As an aside, while it's not cited in the article, HuffPo also says the name was changed, but the College simply decided not to use the "Royal" part of their new name "in daily operations". Huon (talk) 20:54, 4 February 2015 (UTC)