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Maradona & Pele
Hello... regarding the Maradona & Pele articles... I am trying to reinstate my comments about the 2000 internet poll in a more balanced and sourced way. I hope that we can agree on a way to do this. You will note that I have stopped trying to get this into the Maradona article, but rather just the Pele article. I do feel that the controversy surrounding the 2000 poll is important and should be refered to. Perhaps it needs its own article as it was a big deal at the time. I am working on research for this and hopeto start an article soon with sources, quotes etc.

I really hope that everyone can find a way to put this all across in a neutral and interesting way.

Thank you.

--jackregan 13:54, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Conquest of the Dessert
I sugest you read Carlos Martínez Sarasola's Nuestros Paisanos Los Indios and a number of other books that strongly support the use of the word genocide regarding the Conquest of the Dessert.

Marcelo - Salta

Gibraltar
Hola Mariano,

te agradeceriamos que le echases un ojo a este RfC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Gibnews y nos dieses tu opinión.

Muchas gracias!

Un Saludo --Burgas00 19:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

tango

 * Chicos, algunos personas estan attacando List of tango singers. Defendemos? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 21:08, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

are you polish?
cecowski, who in ur family emigrated from poland?


 * Hi. My grand parents were Polish. Sadly, not even my dad speaks the language. Mariano (t/c) 06:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Una pregunta
Tengo una pregunta que hacerte, y espero que no te la tomes a mal. El que siendo argentino colabores con la wikipedia en inglés y no en español ¿es debido a un complejo de inferioridad ante los sajones? Un saludo.
 * Creo que ya me hiciste esa pregunta, la cual ha sido archivada con mensajes viejos, junto con tu colorido comentario. La respuesta sigue siendo la misma; el alcance que tiene un articulo en Ingles es mucho mayor que el de uno en castellano, lo cual beneficia para que el articulo que haces sea traducido a mas idiomas, y lo que me interesa es que la gente sepa de Argentina en todo el mundo. Por otro lado, habria que traducir varios buenos articulos del ingles al castellano, pero bueno, todo no se puede. Mariano (t/c) 09:57, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Tienes razón, creo que ya te la había hecho, y te pido disculpas si te molestó. De todas maneras, el castellano no es el danés o el griego (con todos mis respetos para esos idiomas); también es un idioma internacional, y es el tuyo. Te animo a que hagas la traducción al español de esos buenos artículos que mencionaste. Un saludo.

Welcome back!
Como va? Como anda el individuo/a? Espero que al menos estes durmiendo un poco. :) Sebastian Kessel Talk 15:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Si, al principio no es nada facil. Despues de las primeras 2-3 semanas mejora, y tipo 3 meses vuelve a empeorar (colicos, y demas). A los 5-6 meses se estabiliza bien y podes volver a vivir. :) Sebastian Kessel Talk 15:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite
>''Welcome Alex! And feel free to join the Argentine regional notice board. Mariano''

Thanks for the welcome Mariano. I'll work on contributions, and also translations from Spanish to English as time permits. I do agree with your ideas of expanding the English pages knowledge of Argentina. Alex

Spanish profanity
Can I ask you to look in on my question at Talk:Spanish_profanity. I'm guessing it's vandalism (as some other recent edits may be), but I'm hesitant to assume bad faith on a matter where I could simply be wrong. - Jmabel | Talk 19:50, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

dengue article
I know you're proud of being Argentine, but remember, "If the latest research findings arrived in your post-box today, great! But as you add them to an article make sure they are supported by background content. You might also want to consider waiting until other researchers have confirmed it, or it is integrated in review articles or medical books."--Steven Fruitsmaak | Talk 13:15, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Buenos Aires Herald
M. you told me I wrote nonesence about the Buenos Aires Herald. I would like to know why. It was pure facts and I did not insult anybody. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buenosairesherald (talk • contribs)

Re: Image:WikiProject Argentina.gif
Realicé la transparencia, pero hice el revert al toque. El fondo del template se mezcla horriblemente con la imagen, especialmente con el sol del centro, a tal punto que los rayos son casi imperceptibles. En commons tenés el historial. De todos modos no hay problema, la mayoría de templates (featured, peerreview, etc) utilizan la misma base, imagen blanca con fondo amarillo. Saludos, &mdash;Aucun effort n'est trop grand 04:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Mirá, lo intenté mil veces pero no resultó. No sé si soy yo o el programa, pero aparentemente la transparencia sólo puede realizarse en toda la imagen, y no en secciones. Una lástima. =( Saludos, &mdash;Aucun effort n'est trop grand 06:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Your Pato edit of 3/Aug/2006
Why delete the alt name instead of my edit to "citation needed"? Maybe the poster has a point... Do you know for a fact it ain't so? Maybe in some country they play the game and call it that way (I'd bet it would be "pato" or "horseball" but I'm not 100% current).

Isn't there a policy (or a courtesy measure) to keep the "fact" tag for some days until resolution? elpincha 10:19, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Re you answer... OK... let's see what the future brings. elpincha 10:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Saavedra
Historical facts don't have copyrights, they are the same everywhere. So, anyone can claim copyrights on every biography. Is was just a list of facts, common to everybody and not a professional research. How dare you say I did something wrong? The guy who wrote that is probably violating someone's copyrigth. I have been helping this page where you can find stupid things about celebrities but you can't find anything about our History. This is just the industry of cool. I used a translation machine only as a "help" because I don't have the time to do it myself alone, you can spare me the humiliation and scorn. But no problem, I quit. You can keep on writting stuff about Maradona and Ricardo Darín. --furgonero 22:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

El Chango
Well done for the Chango article! I've been looking forward to seeing one. One of my friends is a great photographer and took some photos of Chango when we went to see him (the second time). They are good and I've asked him if he has one he'll give on a fee license to include in the article. He managed to present a print to Chango the next time he came to England. Failing that I may have a not-so-good photo I took somewhere. Martín (saying/doing) 14:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Roig
Hola Mariano. Hace algunos días empecé con un artículo sobre el filósofo Arturo Andrés Roig (En inglés). He visto que tú has colaborado con algunos artículos sobre filósofos argentinos, así que sólo te aviso por si conoces algo más acerca de él y quieres ampliar el artículo. -Dalobuca.

Libertadores dilemma
Hola Mariano, I wrote this same message to Sebastiankessel and I'm doing the same as you're an administrator. I'm currently having an edit war with what it seems is a Sao Paulo supporter in the Copa Libertadores article. He keeps highlightning Sao Paulo as the champions and I'm getting tired of reverting the changes. I wrote a message in his "talk" page but he seems ignore it so is it possible to partially lock the page temporarly to prevent anom users from editing? Gracias y saludos. Bruno18 20:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Destacados
En el Wikiproyecto Argentina allá en "es" (que loco esto de cambiar de página y hablar como si fuese otro mundo) ya hemos dado vuelta con esto de catalogar a los artículos según el grado de madurez, al final la cosa quedó estancada, pero no sería descabellado pensar en reutilizar el trabajo invertido por ustedes. El único tema que ví (y por eso comenté lo comenté en la discusión de los destacados) es que en "es" no existen los "good articles". Barcex 10:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Ahh.. Ok, disculpas. El otro día se estuvo hablando de completar cosas importantes, no sé, cosas como: "tenemos que tener todas los partidos políticos". Eso de alguna forma ya es una declaración de importancia. Por qué no lo comentás en es:Wikiproyecto discusión:Argentina. 10:45, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

WPArgentina
Hey, I knew about the template. I am very much passive now (la pendex me vuelve loco, y no tengo tanto tiempo) but I still keep in touch. :) Sebastian Kessel Talk 15:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

RE: WPArgentina
Bueno, pero no te enojes..., Mxcatania 15:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

The Importance of Being Argentine
If you feel like giving us a hand over there, I've tried to state some preliminary critera at es:Wikiproyecto Discusión:Argentina/Importancia. Come over and add your $0.02. Taragüí @ 18:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Biology== ==

Hola. I posted this at Category talk:WPArgentina science articles but I should have just asked you.


 * Now we have this, should Talk:Fauna of Argentina and individual species (Haig's Tuco-tuco?) come here too? They don't sit entirely comfortably in geography, but I'm not quite clear if this is the place for them either.

Martín (saying/doing) 14:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Andres Nocioni
Hello, I was wondering if you'd care to comment at the two threads that I've started at Talk:Andrés Nocioni. The first regarding finding refs for his international career, and the second regarding the awards and titles sections. Thanks! K O S |  talk  13:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Rv Spanish profanity
Hi, I saw you reverted some changes to Spanish Profanity. I don't talk spanish but I assumed it was a mistake since the part seemed relevant. If I was wrong, please accept my apologies. Lucasbfr 07:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks a lot for the clarification. I'll slap my colleague who is supposed to talk spanish and told me that was correct ^^ Lucasbfr 08:02, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Buenos Aires province
(After seeing your edit to Rodrigo Bueno.) The word "province" should be lowercase. elpincha 12:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Eduardo Galeano
I'm finding it difficult to find an image of Eduardo Galeano for his article which conforms to Image use policy. I've seen your interest in his page and on the article I made for Open Veins of Latin America, perhaps you can help me out here.--Jersey Devil 23:08, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Basketball
I totally agree. I did not keep the live score. When I went to edit it to put in the final score, someone had already put in some sort of interim score and crowned USA the winner. I found that irritating, but it had already been done. And then it was just a matter of missing the last basket Germany scored when I changed it from 63 to 65 points.

How to cross-wiki images?
I started translation on some missing pages from es to en. Latest: Carlos Pellegrini (city). I read the image help pages and could not find a clear answer on how to cross-reference images accross language wikis. In this case, for example, from es:Carlos Pellegrini (Santa Fe) to the English counterpart. besides the obvious copying to en: or commons (in which case there would be image duplication). Is there a help page you could point me to? Thanks. User:Alexf 12:26, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Carlos Tévez
I just semi-protected Carlos Tévez after a string of IP vandalism-like edits. Since I see you have edited the page before, do you want to check the page now to make sure that the recent changes have not included any inaccuracies? Thanks. — Mets 501 (talk) 13:09, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

soda stereo
why do you keep deleting the links to a LEGAL album download? the "tributo bizarro a Soda Stereo" ???

It seems very selfish to me, since the autors had the rights and they decided to give them away.

It always happens that some dork with no power at all on his life goes to the internet and tries to make life difficult to others, because of their nettiquette or whatsoever excuse they might find.

JC Fuentes Michel jcfuentes@gmail.com

PD: I don't want to start a discussion, because "the only thing better than winning gold in the special olympics, is not taking part".

Syrcatbot labeling me again as "IN" Argentina
What is this madness? Unless it is resolved, I am to remove myself from the category (and being "not in Argentina", you should too...) elpincha 18:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I just created Category:Wikipedians from Argentina. That should fix it. (PS: It does make more sense to put "from" rather than "of"). Sebastian Kessel Talk 21:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, I just got "in the groove", and created Template:User Argentina expat... Maybe you want to check it out. Sebastian Kessel Talk 21:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No more expat? Are you going back? Sebastian Kessel Talk 15:19, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Libertadores
Hola, Mariano. Soy relativamente nuevo en Wikipedia (mi lista de contribuciones en inglés tiene 129 entradas) y no sé si éste es el lugar adecuado para discutir un editor específico (no con todos los editores). El caso es que yo agregué a Manuel Belgrano a la lista de Libertadores, vos lo eliminaste y yo estoy en desacuerdo. Belgrano fue el vencedor de las batallas de Tucumán y Salta, y creo que no me equivoco si digo que, junto con San Martín, es el héroe nacional más popular de la Argentina. Sospecho que no existe una lista oficial de Libertadores; por lo tanto, no veo nada de malo en que la lista del artículo en cuestión sea un poco más inclusiva.

Sebasbronzini 01:33, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Juan Lavalle
Hello Mariano. You are rignt. Just because I have a strong opinion does not mean that everyone should believe it. I will leave Norman Bates out of it...

Although I have to tell you that reading about him at a time when I was down in the dumps fed my self-destructive tendencies, so I see a vampiric dimension to him... But tht is just personal. I do not advocate wooden stakes...

I'm Vokoder no more an IP address now
Hi! thanks for your suggestions, i created an account to contribute with the free encyclopedia. My name is Sindri i was born in Kosova but i've lived all my life in Mendoza and then my spanish level is so high, i learned english in my ski school at Las Leñas resort, also. I love Argentina, biketours, rafting and all Los Andes sports!

Chau Mariano!, estaré dispuesto a colaborar con cualquier cosa de Argentina. --Vokoder 23:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Why remove the link from the Argerich page?
I see that you reverted a recent change to the page for Martha Argerich. The previous edit added a link to a page for a film about Argerich. Why remove it? Paul 02:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for restoring (and improving) the link. Paul 15:52, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Why heed to continuous reverts?
I can see that you introduced
 *  as well as considered by many to be the greatest of all times.

to the article Michael Schumacher, possibly as a compromise to a stubborn user. While not being certain of the necessity of your action, I found a similar mention missing from the opening para in the articles of Fangio, Senna or even Clark who probably qualify better on the common human perception of 'greatness'. If citing an article written by somebody to prove someone's greatness would be apt, I guess half the competitors in any sport would be "considered by many to be the greatest..". To put the same to Pele/Maradona would be a decent compromise where the world is divided on which is better but agree both being greats.. But otherwise to heed to one or two users would be suicidal and frankly I dont know what the hell all the IP editors are doing. One feel these kind of debatable attributes should be not be included in the article text, but based on categories assigned and not editable --Su30 14:51, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * sorry for my confusing usage 'IP editors', i actually meant administrators.. And the supposed compromise did not work out either..now that somebody has taken off the by many to distort it again.. And yeah, your observation

but it is also true that a lot of people consider Schumacher as the al time greatest, specially thouse not deeply into car-racing
 * which i agree is true.. But without being involved and without having proper information about the past drivers, how can these 'most people' claim even in a subjective sense that michael schumacher is 'greater' then those ppl(those they dont know about). And if an encyclopedia certifies such highly questionable opinions as 'facts', wouldnt it help only to misinform say a reader who visit the article without much background info and only to find out about the driver?  May be the existing controls are not enough to enforce the guidelines, but i am not sure they are exercised enough.. it is not quite gratifying to enter into a revert war, when there is a black and white interpretation of the situation.

--Su30 07:42, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Edit summary on 3RRV
I've blocked the user in question. For future reference In general, 3RR often has a backlog since the reversions can be complicated and determing who has violated 3RR (possibly multiple parties) can be difficult. A 2 hour backlog is not that unusual. The best way of getting the backlog quickly dealt with is putting a note on WP:ANI or putting a note on the talk page of an admin who is currently editing. JoshuaZ 15:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Also in regard to the current dispute please remember to be careful about weasel words. It might make more sense in the context to say "according to X, Y is the greatest Z" or "according to X, Y is one of the greatest Z". In general, even if such comments when cited are WP:NPOV and based on reliable sources they aren't often useful. It can be far more productive to simply list their accomplishments which will often make that sort of judgement clear (this is similar to why the article on Hitler doesn't say "most sane people consider Hitler to be evil" -even if one could source the statement it wouldn't accomplish much). JoshuaZ 15:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

FIBA 2006 Brazil
Thanks. I added the Brazilian team. I will try to add more teams later. Regards, Carioca 16:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
I was gone for awhile so I missed your compliment of my Neuquén Group articles... it was a lot of work as there are a ton of formations in and around that group. Hope they can be expanded! Sheep81 09:33, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
Ponéte contento, tenés un imitador! —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 23:30, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks...
... for catching my typos, etc., at Ricardo Güiraldes. I can't believe I typo'd Don Segundo Sombra. But apparently I did. - Jmabel | Talk 04:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Deleting victims of the September 11, 2001 attacks
Hola Mariano. Acabo de crear un artículo sobre Mario Luis Santoro héroe del 11/9 y uno de los cuatro argentinos muertos el 9/11. Todos ellos han recibido una gran cobertura de la prensa argentina, y en parte de la prensa norteamericana. Han sido homenajeados por el gobierno argentino, que colocó una placa en su memoria en NY. Uno de ellos, Villanueva, era bombero y está considerado también como heroe. En EEUU se han creado una fundación con su nombre. El asunto es que ni bien creé el artículo, User:Lucky 6.9 lo borró sin debate alguno diciendo que WP no es un memorial. Lo que me extraña es que la w:en: tiene una categoría Category:Victims of the September 11, 2001 attacks en la que hay varios casos idénticos. El artículo es completísimo y podés ver una copia en la Mario Luis Santoro, donde también se cuestiona su relevancia. ¿Podrías ayudarme a entender qué pasa, y eventualmente corregir el error, si es que lo hay? Gracias desde ya. Este es el mensaje que le dejé a Lucky: Hi Lucky. I has just create a page about |Mario Mario Luis Santoro, a victim and hero of the 9/11 attack. You deleted it immediately without any discussion. But W:en: has a whole category Category:Victims of the September 11, 2001 attacks with several biographies of 9/11 attacks, that are equal to the one you deleted. ¿Can you explain me, please this apparently contradiction? Kind regards --Roblespepe 15:20, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hola Mariano. Si ya ví tu opinión en el sitio de la w:es:. Me parece una posición respetable y razonable. No la comparto 100% pero no me traería mucho inconveniente acomodarme a ella, o llegar a un consenso. Aquí en la Wiki:inglesa tienen un criterio completamente distinto, más abierto a este tipo de artículos. Tienen una categoría para las víctimas y otra para los supervivientes. Hasta tienen la biografía de un bebé asesinado en un ataque terrorista en israel (Shalhevet Pass).

Te mando un abrazo y gracias de todos modos por tu tolerancia. --Roblespepe 23:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Jaguar etymology
"Yaguar not dog but fierce, beast." I notice this edit from a while back on jaguar. Do you remember your source for that? We currently need a citation. Cheers, Marskell 10:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * We had used the IberiaNature link but there was concern it may be a self-reference: Wikipedia is noted as one of its sources, so did they cite us first or we them? The link to it appears after your edit.


 * Anyhow, could you do one tiny favour: pick the best Spanish source and paste the sentence where the etymology is described to my talk. I'll then paste it verbatim in the note on the article. One Spanish source out of fifty is acceptable, methinks. Marskell 10:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Sorry for implying you can't do it yourself! For some stupid reason, I though it more polite to ask it be posted on my talk, but I suppose it's just makes two steps where there only needs to be one. Marskell 10:57, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Ciudades de Argentina
Hola, Mariano! Yo escribí páginas en wiki lituana sobre ciudades de provincia San Juan Calingasta y Villa General San Martín. Pero porque no hay paginas sobre estas ciudades en otras wikipedias, no lo se donde puedo encontrar población. Ví en www.mininterior.gov.ar/ pero no encontré nada... Pues, quizas Tu sabes donde puedo conseguir poblacion de estas ciudades? Hay otros sitios alternativos de demografia argentina?? Saludos de Lituania, Hugo.arg 18:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

¡Muchas gracias por información! Hugo.arg 13:03, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Falklands and Malvinas
Since this is a topic that is likely to be anger inducing, may I suggest that, since you seem deeply committed to various articles containing one or the other term, you make similar edits to any and all such articles that I did to attempt to solve the content dispute you were having on the submarine's article page?

I'm sure it will still not satisfy everyone, but it will remove a large amount of the "Patriotic issues" that people suffer from over such things. Fiddle Faddle 09:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

About Tevez article
Hello. I saw that you have changed my edit in the Tevez's article about his full name. The fact is that he told to a Brazilian reporter that his full name is Carlos Alberto Martínez. He also told that his mother used to be a prostitute and because of her reputation, he changed his surname to Tévez —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baros1 (talk • contribs)
 * Very funny. I bet you also have valid sources on that... Mariano (t/c) 07:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

2006 Sudamericano Femenino
Listo :) . Cuando el torneo empieze voy a ir actualizando las tablas y los resultados. Saludos. Bruno18 16:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Creo que lo mejor seria ir con la fuente de CONMEBOL por el momento hasta que encontremos una confirmacion de en que ciudad va a ser jugado el torneo. Saludos. Bruno18 12:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Hi Mariano, I don't think there already is an infobox for hockey players, but we could create one as they are always useful to get some quick information on a person. There are infoboxes for several sports around already, for instance: Serginho Greene (football), Marloes Wesselink (beach volleyball), Marianne Vos (cycling), Raymond van Barneveld (Darts), etc. In my opinion every sports person should have their own suitable infobox. Of course this is not possible, but at least we can try ;) Cheers, SportsAddicted 07:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I would say, use one of the existing as an idea, but create a new one containing information suitable to hockey players. SportsAddicted 07:53, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, the infobox looks pretty good to me. I miss two things though, 1) perhaps a club career possibility? What do you think of that? Should it be included? There is also possibilities to use it as an option instead of it also being visible when it's not used. 2) I think there should be an option to change the date when it was the last time the infobox was updated. I will add that in a while as it's quite important in my opinion. SportsAddicted 12:23, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I was planning on doing some Dutch players later today and this weekend. The infobox looks perfect to me now. SportsAddicted 14:29, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Dino Saluzzi correction etc
Hi. Thanks...

I did not assume bad faith. I assume at least one of:
 * Not knowing that the guy is universally known as "Dino" (and if you don't know, why are you editing an article on the guy?).
 * A methodologically wrong assumption that articles should be titled per the person's "legal" name. Yet nobody would think about reverting the "Cary Grant" entry to his actual name, to name just one... (In the same vein, let Lito Vitale stay Lito and Fito Paez stay Fito... also, I think the Tato Bores entry should be titled "Tato Bores" and not per his actual name).

elpincha 16:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Hockey infobox
Now that I'm working with the infobox I notice I can not add events like the European Championships or for instance another event outside the main events. I can add the European Championships to the infobox, but it would look weird on a South American profile of course. Do you know how to solve this problem? Should we call it continental championship? SportsAddicted 08:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, I agree on let's say every single point. I do think the continental championships should be included, just not sure how to do it. I think your option to have them named but not visible if not used is a good option, although there probably are also Asian/African/Oceanian championships around that might need be included then. You're right about that it's not our goal to have infoboxes twice or three times as big as the article itself. But that's in my opinion no reason to leave the infobox out of the article. It's more a reason to start expanding the article in my opinion and use the info from the infobox in the article as well in a more detailed version. When it comes to Fatima Moreira de Melo, she indeed did not participate in the 2003 Champions League and that's why this is not included in the infobox. I agree with you the other results (if available) should also be mentioned. Cheers, SportsAddicted 04:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * If a player didn't win a medal at a certain championship we could either use a - or we could just mention the position they reached in that event, for instancd 7th or so. I used to have a link in my signature to my talk page at my nl.wiki account, but I alrady forgot how I did it, so if you'd like to help me out on that please do so ;) Oh by the way, I'll be on holidays as of tomorrow for a period of 10 days, so if you don't see me around, that's why. SportsAddicted 11:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't really mind wether we change is to competitionresults instead of medals. I mean, it would be more accurate if it said results, as it tells us it should also show other results then just medals, but personally I don't mind if it would still say medals. See for yourself what you think is best. Thanks for the congratiulations with the gold, sorry we had to beat you for it, but I hope you're still happy with the bronze ;) so I wish you my congratiulations on that as well. I tried to create my signature like you said, but for some reason it doesn't work properly as you can see when I sign this message right now. &#91;&#91;User:SportsAddicted&#124;SportsAddicted&lt;small&gt;(&#91;&#91;User talk:SportsAddicted&#124;discuss]]&lt;/small&gt;]] 11:29, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's still not working, when I add this SportsAddicted (discuss) to my signature it still gives the same result as you can see. You're right about the infobox, those events should first have an article and only then they should be added. &#91;&#91;User:SportsAddicted&#124;SportsAddicted&lt;small&gt;(&#91;&#91;User talk:SportsAddicted&#124;discuss]])&lt;/small&gt;]] 11:51, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Copied and edited my nl.wiki account (which still works) but still doesn't work here. &#123;&#123;SUBST:User:SportsAddicted/Subnotatio}} 12:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Testing... Mission accomplished, thanks ;) SportsAddicted | discuss  12:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Maradona and Dalmatia
Hi Marijan (in Croatian). Thanks for leaving his link to Croatia in the article. It's sort of old news anyway but still and interesting fact which people might like to know. It's Trivia.

Argentina has many Croatian migrants as it also has many more Polish, Italian etc...You're always going to have Argentine famous people that have some link to a European heritage. No matter how small it's always interesting to note it. Johnny Depp mentions his minimal Cherokee heritage with pride.

I have changed Dalmatian to Dalmatia. - Re His link to Marco Polo, this was documented. No doubt Marco Polo lived on Korcula for a time, the debate is weather he was Croat or Italian and born there or Venice. Polo and de Polo last name can still be found on Korcula today, those people are Croatian heritage who adopted the Italian last name under Venice rule..when looking at the family tree all trace it back to Sibenik Croatia and not Italy. Now the link with Diego Maradona and Marco Polo is interesting as his maternal side was from Korcula are proven to be related to Marco Pol..so that would mean Maradonahas has some minimal link to the great man of the sea.

"The Apple doesn't fall far from the tree" Both were and are still great men and noted as such forever. Jagoda 1 02:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Jagoda 1 02:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

name changes
I have spoken to a girl in Argentina and she said some 500,000 people have a Croat origin and live in Argentina today. Even more for Polish origin. The statistics only show about 250,000 Croat origin in Argentina. She said only 1-2nd generation are counted, after a time they to become Hespanic Argentine. She also said names get changed eg Seric became Serrichio and Italian sounding.

How true is this? Do the Poles have the same problem?

I have heard of a fair few Argen- Croat players like Daniel Ruben Bilos etc...  and more obvious names such as Diego Markic and Buljubasich etc... Jagoda 1 02:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Mara
Maradona and his link to Korcula Dalmatia has been know for a while. Croats are soccer mad and would love to know that Maradona has a small Croatian connection. When you list this under trivia more and more people become aware and see how he's connected. I think it's importanat as most people don't know about the connection. It's true so why not mention it. Eg.. Johnny Depp mentions his very minimal Cherokee heritage on his mums side.

I will see about his connection to Marco Polo...its a strong chance...same island and it has been noted before in the press both in Argentina and Croatia...

God Speed Sve od srca Jagoda 1 06:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

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A bow and...
Le saludo don Cecowski,no hay nada que me alegre mas que ver compatriotas tomando un rol activo en proyectos como este. Tiene usted mi respeto (que dude que valga mucho),en todo caso le deseo buena suerte!

Thanks mate
Take a WikiThanks, you deserve it ;-) --Proudly Argie 22:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Stanley o Pt. Argentino?
Hola, Mariano! Yo escribí un articulo en wikipedia lituana sobre capital de islas Malvinas Pt. Argentino. Pero uno desconocido hispano hablante usuario me escribio eso: ''Mentiroso de mierda, arregla la falsedad que tienes puesta en el artículo de Puerto Stanley, o te haré una acusación formal frente a la comunidad por hacer artículos falsos. No mientas poniendo que son argentinas. Las Malvinas son Británicas y Ya lo sabes, hijo de puta, me comuniqué con la fundación wikimedia ya que insistes en mentir con el nombre del artículo''. Yo cambie el nombre de Puerto Archentinas/Stenlis a Stenlis pero no lo se que hice bien porque el nombre en wiki espanol es Pt. Argentino/Stanley. Si usar solo Stanley es como acceptar con occupacion de Malvinas. Dime, como me hacer? Dejar Stanley o regresar a Pt.Argentino/Stanley que me parece es el opcion mejor? Saludos, Hugo.arg 15:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * ¡Muchas gracias por aclaración! Un abrazo, Hugo.arg

Copyediting Turned Nightmarish (and possibly unfactual): Coca Tea
Thanks for your contribution to Coca tea: it was marked to be copyedited, but how is one supposed to edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coca_Tea&oldid=83463778 and remain coherent or factual? Although http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mate_de_coca&oldid=81738323 and http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_de_coca were somewhat helpful, I was still befuddled. I tried to get some sources, but mostly got people/organizations who/that were just trying to sell the tea and others who/that did not mention how the cocaine in the coca tea affects it, if at all. So thank you for making the article a bit more coherent; I edited out some of the unfactual things afterwards. May I ask just why coca tea is not addictive? Thanks. -- Grace notes T  &#167; 20:35, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate the link. Fortunately I understood Spanish moderately well, and my Spanish-English dictionary took care of the rest. I'll see if I can add anything to the Coca tea article. -- Grace notes  T  &#167; 22:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Greetings
Thank you for your recent contributions to one of Wikipedia's Uruguay-related articles. Given the interest you've expressed by your edits, have you considered joining the Uruguay WikiProject? It's a group dedicated to improving the overall quality of all Uruguay-related articles.

If you have any questions, see the help pages, ask at the Uruguay project talk page, or feel free to ask me on .Wesborland 02:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Naming conventions
Sorry if I took the convention too far away. I personally think the "CITY, Argentina" convention is mostly applied to cities that have homonyms (as cities or similar entities) in other countries, such as Córdoba, Paraná, Santa Fe, etc. Viedma should actually point to the city directly, now that you mention it. Yes, most of Tobias' disambiguations are not necessary in my view, but I was too busy and I wanted to avoid an argument over a relatively minor point. However, if at least a few members of WP:AR agree on this, we could reach a consensus and do the re-renaming. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 17:25, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Argentine comic section
Hey there, I would love to help start the Argentine comic section and am currently working on some tranlation of the Spanish version. However, I think the article should really be Argentine comics, or Argentine comic book, as the plural word comics, in English, most generally refers to the medium of comic books, whereas comic, singular, usually means a comedian. See Comic book, comics, American comic book and French_comics. I guess it really doesn't matter yet, since there's no article either place.

In any event, hopefully, I'll put up a stub soon. What's your favorite historieta argentina? Me gusta Mort Cinder, El Eternaut y Macanudo. steventity 20:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Argentinidad
Los invito a participar de Argentinidad, un proyecto wiki que usa el mismo software que wikipedia, y por ende funciona exactamente igual. Es una wikipedia de la argentina con un punto de vista patriótico-nacional.

Aquí se podrán crear artículos sobre la cultura, geografía, economía, historia, gente y demás de la Argentina, con la condición de que el punto de vista NO sea neutral, sino argentino. Este no es un lugar para la militancia política o social, sólo para escribir y "hacer algo". Para eso estamos, para los que nos cansamos de que insulten al País y ver como el mundo de nosotros ríe. Siempre se dijo, "hay que hacer algo" pero nadie lo hizo. Es dificil hacer algo, nadie por sí solo va a levantarse un día y transformar a la Patria en una potencia mundial, o expulsar a los ingleses de las Malvinas, pero no por eso se va a "hacer nada". Espero que te unas al proyecto, cordialmente

Andrés 02:10 19 nov 2006 (CET)

Macedonio Fernandez
Hi J! Could you take a look at the recent edits to Macedonio Fernandez? It's really not my topic (do I actually have one?), and wouldn't like to loose (potentially) valuable information from an anon editor. Thanks a lot, Mariano (t/c) 11:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Everything I know anything about looks right to me. The contributor is presumably T.S. Garth; I've left him a note on his user talk page asking him to please provide references. If nothing happens in a week or two, I'll probably try to track some down myself. He's been pretty clear on whose work he is utilizing (including his own); a quick web search suggests that these people have all written on the topic at hand. So, while the reference apparatus is missing, everything seems otherwise in order. - Jmabel | Talk 17:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Images
Hi Mariano, Thanks for your message. I should've asked that &mdash; I assumed that the pictures I uploaded to Wikipedia could be linked to commons. -- Ignacio Errico 02:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

You, sir, are awesome
Great work on the argentine comics! This article has gone from nothing to pretty presentable in less than a week. steventity 18:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

semi protected
hola mariano, que se puede hacer para poner uno en Chilean Army, hay un pendejo re fanatico q no respeta ninguna norma —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jor70 (talk • contribs)

New categories
Hi Mariano, I've been thinking about setting up some new categories for Argentine footballers, in order to make it easier to find Argentine footballers to have played in particular countries. Something like:

Cat:Argentine footballers in Europe

then sub categories for individual countries

Cat:Argentine footballers in Italy Cat:Argentine footballers in Spain etc

What do you think?

King of the North East 10:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite
Thanks for your kind offer. It didn't occur to me that I could be of use to the project. I am mainly interested in biographies, but I'll see where I can make myself useful. Bhumiya (said/done) 20:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
I noticed that the Club Deportivo Cruz Azul page had been partially deleted by User:66.238.170.50, he seemed to hide it between sucessive edits (16.08 28 December). I thought it could have been an honest mistake, but he has been warned about vandalism 3 times before on his talkpage. Perhaps you know what the appropriate action is?

My idea about Argentine footballers in spain/Italy got shot down in flames, just as you predicted. Regards, King of the North East 14:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Boca Juniors vandalism
Sorry for bothering you about this, 207.238.164.226 has added some content to Boca Juniors, one of his edits was to change Diego Maradona to Diego Maradroga, I was going to erase all his edits, but I wasnt sure if the part about the stinking river is worth keeping, I've been there and it really does reek. the rest of it looks like proper rubbish. I'll leave it up to you anyway, until next time.... seasons greetings. King of the North East 18:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas


Hi Mariano! I just want to say Merry Christmas to you! Have a nice holiday time. - Darwinek 20:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)