User talk:MarilynnHughes

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Speedy deletion nomination of The Out-of-BodyTravel Foundation


A tag has been placed on The Out-of-BodyTravel Foundation, requesting that it be deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which articles can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may be soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:
 * It seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. (See section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Business for more information.
 * It appears to be about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), individual animal, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. (See section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. Cindy ( talk ) 12:01, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

December 2013
Hello, MarilynnHughes. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article The Out-of-BodyTravel Foundation, you may have a conflict of interest or close connection to the subject.

All editors are required to comply with Wikipedia's neutral point of view content policy. People who are very close to a subject often have a distorted view of it, which may cause them to inadvertently edit in ways that make the article either too flattering or too disparaging. People with a close connection to a subject are not absolutely prohibited from editing about that subject, but they need to be especially careful about ensuring their edits are verified by reliable sources and writing with as little bias as possible.

If you are very close to a subject, here are some ways you can reduce the risk of problems:


 * Avoid or exercise great caution when editing or creating articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with.
 * Be cautious about deletion discussions. Everyone is welcome to provide information about independent sources in deletion discussions, but avoid advocating for deletion of articles about your competitors.
 * Avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Spam).
 * Exercise great caution so that you do not accidentally breach Wikipedia's content policies.

Please familiarize yourself with relevant content policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, verifiability of information, and autobiographies.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. Cindy ( talk ) 12:01, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Marilynn Hughes


A tag has been placed on Marilynn Hughes, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. Cindy ( talk ) 12:05, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Please do not write or add to an article about yourself, as you apparently did at Marilynn Hughes. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to an existing article about yourself, please propose the changes on its talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was my page deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss it with the deleting administrator. Thank you. AllyD (talk) 12:06, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Please do not add or significantly change content without citing verifiable and reliable sources. Before making any potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Jim1138 (talk) 12:07, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to Out-of-body experience with this edit. It is considered spamming and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Because Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, additions of links to Wikipedia will not alter search engine rankings. If you continue spamming, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thank you. Jim1138 (talk) 12:15, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

This is your last warning. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did at Out-of-body experience, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Your edits have been automatically marked as vandalism and have been automatically reverted. The following is the log entry regarding this vandalism: Out-of-body experience was changed by MarilynnHughes (u) (t) ANN scored at 0.862804 on 2013-12-19T12:17:12+00:00. Thank you. ClueBot NG (talk) 12:17, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Please do not use Wikipedia to promote businesses. Wikipedia is not the Yellow pages. If you want to list a company for potential customers to find, please consider alternative outlets. Thank you. Cindy ( talk ) 12:20, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for advertising or promotion. From your contributions, this seems to be your only purpose. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice:. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Daniel Case (talk) 12:50, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Unblock Requests
If I am not going to be unblocked, could you please delete my account? I cannot see anyplace to delete my account. Thank you very much. Many Blessings, MarilynnYour reason here MarilynnHughes (talk) 22:02, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * We are unable to delete accounts for licensing reasons. I have merged your unblock requests - please be patient while an admin gets around to reviewing your requests. -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  08:25, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello Mdann52, thanks for merging my requests. Just a comment. I signed up to start writing for Wikipedia about 30 minutes before my block. I started writing at about 12:00. I received a warning at 12:05 (which as I previously mentioned,I did not receive because I did not yet know how your system worked.) By 12:15, I was blocked indefinitely. Suddenly, there is no time to review what happened for four days. Does any of this strike you as unreasonable? I wrote for ten minutes for Wikipedia, and before I even had a chance to learn your system, you blocked me indefinitely. And now, no time to review. How did so many people have time to complain within ten minutes, but no time to look at this now?
 * It's because there's a dearth of available administrators across Wikipedia en generale. At any moment, we have 1000 admins, and that's very likely to be an over-estimation on my part. — Jeremy  v^_^v  Bori! 04:06, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Frankly, there's like six that review unblock requests. Looking at this one now.  Kuru   (talk)  14:48, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Clearly, this was an appropriate block. Every edit you made was to promote yourself or your organization. Easy enough to avoid that. I'm deeply concerned that this may not be the best working environment for you; we have very, very strict requirements on sourcing, especially when it comes to pseudo-scientific or fringe topics. If you think "suite101" is strict, you're going to have a rough time here where you must convince many other editors in the validity of your additions. I'd be happy to send a request to the blocking admin if you can indicate that: I'm sorry if this comes off as harsh or skeptical, it's simply to prevent any future misunderstandings. Kuru  (talk)  15:09, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) You will cease any promotional editing, or anything that could be considered vaguely promotional, per WP:COI.
 * 2) You will avoid any violations of WP:OR; note that your own works (at least the ones I randomly checked) are self-published and not acceptable sources, nor is suite101 or any similar works with trivial editorial control.  You may want to read WP:FRINGE as well.

Kuru, thanks for taking the time to review. I have no intention of promotional editing or writing things which are promotional. If you check my articles for Suite101, you would know that I never did that. My original books were put out by Hampton Roads Publishing in 1991 and 1992. I opened my own publishing company in 2003, The Out-of-Body Travel Foundation, and we are currently the number one seller in the subject on Out-of-Body Travel. I did so not because I couldn't publish with other companies, I had offers from several including Hampton Roads. My publishing company is a valid LLC and an international company with the top ten status on google, aol, yahoo, and msn online for out-of-body travel. If you will also check my website at http://outofbodytravel.org, we have over 900,000 souls. You are also welcome to listen to my interviews on Coast to Coast AM which are not self-produced or the documentary made focusing on my work, and the work of several others, which is currently in the top ten out of over 600 films in the Culture Unplugged Film Festival produced by Charles Facas, Noah Buddy and David Ford (History, A&E and Discovery Channel Cinematographers and producers), who approached me about the film. You can check out other appearances at http://outofbodytravel.org/appearances.html.

I have no issue with no self-promotion, but you are incorrect about the status of my work regarding out-of-body travel. My former publishers were personal friends with Robert Monroe and with his family who is still living. In fact, they have published many of his family members and many of the teachers at the Monroe Institute. And many of those mentioned in that article are colleagues of mine. You can check out my reviews here http://outofbodytravel.org/reviews.html and you can check out my linked in profile at http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=28563110&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile. You can read Joseph McMoneagle's Review of my work, (Joseph McMoneagle, leading Remote Viewer in the Stargate Program and best-selling author on the subject) who said this about my work:

The Out-of-Body Travel Foundation! (LLC) Joe McMoneagle Co-Owner, Intuitive Intelligence Applications, Inc. Marilynn's energy and enthusiasm for the spiritual subject(s) she writes about is only surpassed by the amount of hard work that goes into her writings. She has established herself as an authority within the unique and experiential field of the Near Death Experience. Anything she presents is well worth the time and attention one might spend on it. Joe McMoneagle, Author; 'Star Gate, Memoirs of a psychic spy.' January 17, 2012, Joe worked with Marilynn at The Out-of-Body Travel Foundation! (LLC)

So I appreciate your need to be skeptical, but I think it is appropriate to research the subject you are talking about before you make comments which are disrespectful to another writer. You will also see that my books are produced on audible.com, as well, over 69 of them. Twenty three remain in production, including a twelve volume encyclopedia of ancient sacred texts (which I promise not to reference, even though it is the only encyclopedia of its kind in print.) I have over 70 books in print and 40 magazines, and we are among the top selling books on the subject of out-of-body travel, if not the top.

I'd be happy to work on wikipedia and to focus on other subjects and resources. That's what I did on suite101, I have a great deal to offer in the area of world religion, comparative religious mysticism, and ancient sacred texts. That's my passion and that's what I would like to do here, and would appreciate the opportunity to do so.

But your comments about my work in out-of-body travel are simply untrue. I understand why you are skeptical. But it's not necessary, in my view, to make comments which can be construed as very unkind. And you are apparently unaware of Suite101's editorial control before they were recently bought out, it was not trivial. And my books, as well, do not have trivial editorial control. You are apparently not aware of the publishing business, and how authors in my position do publish books. I have many friends in the publishing industry, because I own my own publishing company. And as a publisher, I put out books for other authors, as well. And I have editors in the publishing industry who assist and oversee and help with editing of my works, as well as those of others; including one who worked for a prominent New York Publisher as an editor for twenty years before beginning his own very successful publishing company. He is the one who oversaw the editing of most of my books. I am also an editor. But there are many others that we utilize.

You can check out the website http://thespacebetweenstars.com/inthenews.html, which contains the work of Dr. Stephen Royal Jackson, Ph.D. I designed his website and published his books. Let me know if you don't think he's qualified to comment in his field, either. When we put his books out, we hire a New York Editor to go through each and every one of them.

There is no other motive to work for Wikipedia than to add to the world's knowledge about many subjects; I'm not asking to be paid, to get credit for articles, etc., so the unkind remarks were unnecessary and mean-spirited. So, if you would like me to contribute, I will be happy to do so. I have no interest in self-promotion, so I hope that answers your question. But I do expect to be treated with respect, and although I have no intention to violate any of Wikipedia's guidelines, I do expect that if I unintentionally do, that someone will point it out to me and explain so I can fix it.

Also, I do utilize many ancient sacred texts as resources, some of them are out of print and not available online. But I have one of the most extensive libraries in the country on the ancient sacred writings of all religions throughout the world. It rivals university libraries and they have no issue with acknowledging that. Can I use those out of print resources, or can I only use resources which remain available online or in print? I can avoid those, if necessary, but one of my goals in writing for Wikipedia would be to bring some of those resources back to public knowledge and online resources. If that's not okay, just let me know and I won't do that.

Thanks very much for your time, sorry for the lengthiness of my response, but I do feel that mutual respect is necessary in any working relationship. So I am willing to follow all your guidelines, I will not promote my own work. But I need to know that the respect I give to Wikipedia and all its editors will be returned in kind. I have no issue with editors pointing out any issues whatsoever, and I will take care of them very quickly. I'm known for that. But it can be kind. And frankly, I've never run into this kind of a bulldozing approach. The editors I've worked with have been very matter of fact and clear about changes that are needed, but never disrespectful or unkind. So this is new to me. . . and I've been working in the publishing industry since 1991, over twenty years.

So let me know. . . if you are willing to reinstate me, thanks very much, I will treat that with great respect. And I appreciate guidance and direction on what is or is not workable with articles on Wikipedia. I've already read through most of your articles on guidelines, but will do so a second time before submitting any edits or any new articles. I can promise you that. And I will not make reference to my work. I do intend to make reference to the works of the aforementioned ancient sacred texts, so would appreciate guidance on the out of print works. . . can I use them or not? Thanks very much and Merry Christmas!

If not, please do let me know how to delete my account and we can let this go with no hard feelings on my part at all. I understand your position and the fact that sometimes misunderstandings occur in situations like these. I run forums, and I've had to deal with many misunderstandings which I haven't always handled (on hindsight) the way I wish I had, or the way I think I should have, but they are hard calls. Thanks for taking the time to reconsider. And Merry Christmas! Many Blessings, Marilynn
 * Thank you for the kind response, Marilynn; Merry Christmas to you as well! I'm afraid to admit that I have little patience for the subject matter and admit to a bias here that makes me unwilling to wade through this.  Let me contact a few other admins who may be more experienced in this area to see if I can draw attention to your request.  Kuru   (talk)  18:02, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks so much, Kuru, appreciate the effort and the consideration. Happy New Year! Many Blessings, Marilynn
 * Coming in just now because it appears that the "few other admins" may not respond. I'm going to unblock you, but with a warning: be very careful with pages on subjects with which you have a conflict of interest.  The best way to edit on pages about topics such as out-of-body travel is to avoid the subject, editing in unrelated fields.  If you're still wanting to do something on out-of-body travel, you should follow the suggestions given at Suggestions for COI compliance.  If you continue editing in a way that looks spammy, you're likely to be reblocked without any substantial chance of being re-un-blockedNyttend (talk) 06:03, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Nyttend. Many Blessings, Marilynn