User talk:Marine 69-71/Archive 17

Puerto Ricans Missing in Action in the Vietnam War
I gave the article a quick read just now, its looking simmilar to the current level of Puerto Ricans Missing in Action in the Korean War, the chances of it passing FLC will be better now that we have an idea of what is expected of these list-articles, I will be calling it a day in a few minutes (after I leave Golbez a message letting him know of the upates in the list) but I will give it a Template:Cite web run when I arrive home from college tommorow. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  03:46, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I hope we could put up as good as collaboration to this project as you have, your work has been incredible and have been an inspiration for us. I know that the new generation will try their best, I know I will and Eddie and Marcos will certainly be great admins one day, I believe that serves as proof for the influence that all the inspiration you put when writting an article has, hey I got drawn to this project after reading Puerto Rican immigration to Hawaii, and I couldn't thank you enough for all the help you have provided to me. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  04:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I have fixed the columns now. I have placed the data within the XX syntax (replacing the XX). The dates should also use the 0000-00-00  (replacing the 0000 with the dates. The sortable table needs something to sort by alphabetically or numerically. The dates need to be in the ISO code format for it to work properly. The ranks are sorted using the standardised codes found at Template:US enlisted ranks. (E4, E5, O6, etc) Hope this helps. Woodym555 10:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem, ever need any help, just ask!! I am sure i will see that article at FLC some time soon! Good luck and good health. Woodym555 00:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Unblocked editor still using other accounts
Per, I believe YoSoyGuapo is still using multiple accounts, and at appears canvassing with them. Was not sockpuppeting part of the agreement to being unbanned? And he's right back at what got him banned, it appears. The Evil Spartan 21:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey Tony, I didn't touch YoSoyGuapo until yesterday (I haven't made any edits on it except for my talk page). I am in the middle of asking opinions on articles. Which is why I asked for an RFC to help alleviate a situation (which i thought was alleviation) am i wrong?. I asked for editor opinions including "16:25, 10 September 2007 (hist) (diff) User talk:AntonioMartin‎ 16:25, 10 September 2007 (hist) (diff) User talk:Pedro‎ 16:24, 10 September 2007 (hist) (diff) User talk:Carlosguitar‎ 16:23, 10 September 2007 (hist) (diff) User talk:Marine 69-71‎ 16:22, 10 September 2007 (hist) (diff) User talk:Agüeybaná/Puerto Rico‎ (→Copyright status of Decisional analysis of complex systems) (top) 16:22, 10 September 2007 (hist) (diff) User talk:Caribbean H.Q.‎ (→Images uploaded from flickr) 16:21, 10 September 2007 (hist) (diff) User talk:Akhilleus‎ (→Mopping needed) 16:13, 10 September 2007 (hist) (diff) User talk:Jpgordon‎ 16:13, 10 September 2007 (hist) (diff) User talk:Halaqah‎ (→Image source problem with Image:500yearsamharic.jpg) 16:11, 10 September 2007 (hist) (diff) User talk:Malik Shabazz" To make it simple i'm going to state on my userpage that my IP and YoSoyGuapo are one and the same. After the Josh Gibson opinions are settled i'll continue using only YoSoyGuapo. I have to transfer the talk page as well.

Honestly I wanted editor opinion which is why I filed for an RFC (request for comment) was this the wrong procedure? 64.131.205.111 23:58, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

So it would be alright for me to put down Requesting your opinion on an article to the people that I had previously asked? So it won't be labeled canvasing? I didn't even know what canvasing was I just thought it was alright to ask people to give their opinion. Once you confirm I'll do that. 64.131.205.111 06:44, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Friendy chat
You know, I just realized that it was you who awarded me the DYK Medal. That was a true surprise. In regard to your comments on the Hispanic Americans in World War II FAC, I have to admit that at first glance I was too blind to see exactly what you meant, but you where right. There were a lot of suspect references and it was too romanticed and so on. I'm not making excuses, but my health has limited my activities here and I guess I just couldn't think straight.

However, I have taken your concerns very seriously and revamped and made a complete overhual (re-wretten and copyedited) of the article. All of the referencing concerns have been taken care of as witnessed by users: Mattisse, AnonEMouse and SandyGeorgia all of which are experienced FAC editors and neutral.

I hope that you reconsider your oppose and even if you don't, it has been a pleasure interacting with the person who awarded me the DYK. Cheers! Tony the Marine 04:24, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That's fine, there is no problem. I was away for most of last week but saw that it was passed in the meantime. I haven't looked back at the article but you put a lot of work into it in good faith so you should take pride in that and enjoy the moment regardless of what me or any other opposers might have thought about it.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 06:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * And I hope you are in good health.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 06:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

RFA
The nom passed, Tony I can't thank you enough for your support, all the help you have given me trought this time has certainly been a critical part of my development as a user, gracias por todo hermano. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  00:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Idea
That's a great idea, we can start this on a sub page on the project, so we can work it without any vandalism and discuss what its needed as it progresses, I know Eddie will probably be interested and if we can get Marcos' help raising the page to FA should be easier, I think we should also consolidate a few pages with interesting material about some non-historical events concerning the movement such as Hostosian National Congress and Latin American and Caribbean Congress in Solidarity with Puerto Rico’s Independence, most of these pages are stub or start class and are rarely worked with, I think that on a FA caliber page they will get more attention towards them. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  22:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Today's Fatured Article
Tony the limit of five requests is full, I have the nom ready so I will add it as soon as you move Puerto Ricans in WWII to a later date. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  16:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Never mind I just read you comment again I will do it now. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  17:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The nomination for Betances is in place, the original nomination of Puerto Ricans in World War II is also there but I hide it using the format. -   Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  17:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm mighty confused here, sorry for the messup I have never done this, the nom is still there though just hidden. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  17:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I understand. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  18:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Done, if there is any mistake just let me know, cuidate. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  06:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Villahermosa Army article?
Hi, Tony. I got a note on my talk page asking me to review some sources for Hispanic Americans in World War II. In doing that, I found this:, which is an article by Colonel Villahermosa specifically on the participation of Hispanics in WWII and other wars. It seems like an absolutely wonderful source, but I don't see it anywhere in the HAiWWII references section. We don't have an article on Army, but it seems to be an official army publication, which would make it a fine reliable source. Have you seen this already already? --AnonEMouse (squeak) 18:41, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * On a side note, I checked a few of the disputed references, and they seem OK, but I found a couple better ones for the Bataan Death March. See the whole chat at User talk:AnonEMouse. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 19:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey Tony
Golbez is supporting Featured list candidates/Puerto Ricans Missing in Action in the Korean War, he still has a few questions that you could probably anwser better than me, but the chances of this passing are quite high now, another one of your creations will get featured. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  18:14, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

RE:Asignacion

 * I suggest we move it to List of Caciques, as that is what the article lists, anyway. It is impossible to list all tainos that existed in history. What do you think? -- Ag ü  eybaná  02:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm planning on creating a map similar to this one to be used in the article. What do you think? -- Ag ü  eybaná  23:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm working on the sources. BTW, "Simple" is the abbreviation for the Simple English Wikipedia. -- Ag ü  eybaná  01:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The Wikimedia Commons. -- Ag ü  eybaná  01:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I still prefer List of caciques, as all of the people in the list (with the exception of only one) are caciques. -- Ag ü  eybaná  20:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, go ahead. -- Ag ü  eybaná  02:34, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Congrats
Well done on the promotion of The Korean War MIA list. The change in the article was immense!!! Congrats. Woodym555 15:44, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment on MOH images
Tony, I agree that they should not be removed. Please take a look at the Talk:Medal of Honor page. I noticed late in the game that there was a discussion about MOH images in the infoboxes. It does not seem that consensus was reached. I ask you to put a message on the user talk page expressing your feelings about it and on the particular talk pages of the articles from which they've been removed. I think the editor is quite amenable to discussing issues.

BTW, I'm still on a very limited editing schedule due to many commitments in RL. &mdash; User: (talk) 00:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * An editor to the MOH talk page pointed out that there was a discussion earlier in the month on the WPMILHIST talk pages - here.  I don't agree with the comments of a few.  Considering that I have contributed so many of the biographies, I wish I'd been invited to weigh in.  &mdash; User: (talk) 01:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

MOH pics
No problem, thanks for kind words. I didn't realize that the conversation was still ongoing. I also added the pics of the MOL to the articles without a pic in the infobox and changed a few that had the wrong pic (army vice navy for instance).--Kumioko 01:10, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Just to repeat my comments on the talk page of the MOH, This has been debated on the WT:MILHIST page at the same time (started by the same editor). The agreement from the discussion shown here was to put in this hidden comment: . This is not to say that articles have to omit the medal from elsewhere: that it the editor's discretion. The infobox should contain a picture of a recipient, in lieu of such an image being available then i see no reason why the MOH (Or any other similarly prestigious) award should not go in its place. Woodym555 01:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I am not saying no to that. I just don't think that it should be mandatory. I don't think that you should have a picture of them in the infobox. Then you start having presidential seals, royal crowns etc. The infobox is meant to describe the person, not the medal. The article on the other hand should, by all means, contain a picture of the medal. I have no qualms with that. It should be upto the editor of that page whether to include the image or not. Most recipients have a distinct shortage of images available for use and a MOH or VC pic is a welcome addition. Woodym555 18:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Puerto Ricans MIA in Vietnam
This is a tricky one. Let me startoff by saying that i do not think that there is anything holding it back from becoming a piece of featured content. Although it is an almost exact copy of the structure of the "FL PR MIA in the Korean War," it is very short. Not very many people were MIA it would seem. Whilst this is a great thing, it does provide a dilemna. I would say it is a list, but many reviewers would say it is too short. I don't think it could be an FA because it doe not have enough unique content IMO. I would ask User:Raul654 whether he thinks it could make FA. You could also open a discussion on WT:FLC about length of lists and comprehensiveness. I am sorry if this does not provide a concrete answer, just more questions!! Congrats again on the list. Woodym555 01:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Puerto Ricans Missing in Action in the Korean War
Hi, I've made a very minor suggestion about Puerto Ricans Missing in Action in the Korean War on the talk page - would have commented WP:FLC but was a bit late for that! It's just a small point (whether "Chinese Communist Army" would be better as "Chinese People's Volunteer Army") but it's not something I'm an expert on so I wasn't bold enough to change it myself. Respect for getting the featured list status and all your contributions here! Purgatorio 13:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

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Requests for adminship/Mtmelendez
You might want to drop by and leave your co-nom :-) -- Ag ü  eybaná  21:53, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

GA nomination
Please see Talk:Hispanic Admirals in the United States Navy for information on its GA status.  T Rex  | talk  03:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Article references
Just doing a quickie look, most of the sources look very good - U.S. government etc. There are a few questionable ones, like:
 * http://www.navweaps.com/index_oob/OOB_WWII_Pacific/OOB_WWII_Santa-Cruz.htm
 * I am not clear what that source is.


 * http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/36-20185.aspx
 * On this one I get a server error and then some text about Jewish population worldwide - plus it looks like it is a forum and forums are not good sources.


 * http://4mermarine.com/USMC/dictionary.html#F
 * Not a good source.

It will be good if other people enter into the discussion. I am not clear if the person complaining understands clearly what Original research is. Bottom line, I think some of your sources are not the best (the same problem as in the Hispanics in World War II article) but surely the person questioning is not claiming that you created the idea that there were Hispanic Admirals in the United States Navy? If it gets to be a problem, I will enter into this more. But this is just one person questioning. Lets find out what specifically his complaints are. He cannot just claim the whole article is OR. He would need to show that there were not Hispanic Admirals in the United States Navy. What counter references does he have? -- Mattisse 00:56, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

RFA
Ah, Tony. That's because of inflation. There are two times the number of editors than they were back then! - Mtmelendez (Talk 23:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

RE:Thanks
No prob :-) It's really a great article. Keep up the good work! -- Ag ü  eybaná  02:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

RE: Puerto Rican Actors
Thanks for the thumbs-up. I hesitated about including Phoenix since he only lived briefly here and his parents are not of Puerto Rican descent (something along the line of the discussion we had in the Puerto Rico Project some time ago, hehehe). Anyway, I only added a note to the table. I don't know what's usual in these cases and if it's really necessary. If you can, check it out and let me know. Thief12 03:05, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Re:Request
Sorry that I could not get to your comment sooner, but it is good to hear that the problem was solved. Happy editing -- ( Cocoaguy ここがいい contribstalk) 00:05, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Re:Thank you
Hi, i fully agree with you, Hispanic Admirals in the United States Navy is fully GA even under a strict interpretation of GA criteria. Happy editing -- ( Cocoaguy ここがいい contribstalk) 01:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

RE:Chat
I'm honored that you think that :-) I change my userpage periodically because I like to keep all the information updated. But, compared to some other editors, I don't edit my userspace that much. I'm truly sad to see that you won't be writing anymore :-( I truly thank you for all of your work in getting Puerto Ricans the coverage they deserve here at Wikipedia. I'll make sure your work is always remembered :-) ¡Que Dios te bendiga! -- Ag ü  eybaná  13:22, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Hispanic Admirals
I have added Hispanic Admirals in the United States Navy to be reassessed because I feel that Cocoaguy didn't address my concerns.  T Rex  | talk  20:08, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations
I noticed in the Signpost that you have another Featured List. Congratulations! Yes, I've cut back my time significantly. I'm still officially on a WikiBreak. Looks like my schedule may lighten up by the end of October. I'm still looking for some assistance with the USMC Portals. Ideas? &mdash; User: (talk) 21:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey Tony - This one might be for you
Hey Tony - Unfortunately I am so busy with my interview project on Wikinews I'm staying away from starting new Wikipedia articles. But this guy, Frank Messina, he seems right up your alley. He's Puerto Rican. I'm interviewing him and doing photos soon. Maybe you want to create an article on him? Here's from Saturday's New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/29/nyregion/29poet.html?_r=1&oref=slogin  -- David  Shankbone  16:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

re:Chat
Well, I think the guy is wrong. I went and voted Keep and tried to explain my thinking. You are not making up the idea that there are Hispanic admirals in the United States Navy. I don't think you have to worry. I do not believe others will agree with him.-- Mattisse 00:39, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I think you should stop arguing with the guy and just let his comments sit there. All refuting does at this point is drag it out. No one else has supported him so far. Don't give him the pleasure of being given a chance to respond to you once again and repeat his view. This is my opinion but I have found this method has worked in the past for me. If no one else joins him, there is nothing more to say. If others do, then maybe a productive exchange can result. Regards, -- Mattisse  15:26, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't let it get to you. (I know it is hard.) If those problems exist with the article, then they can be fixed. Besides, GA's are not necessarily interesting articles or articles people read the most. I personally find most FA's boring, for example. -- Mattisse  23:13, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Ray Mercer - Marine?
Tony, See my comments on the talk page for the List of U.S. Marines. I think better sources need to be found to show that Mercer was really in the Marine Corps. &mdash; User: (talk) 00:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'd love it if you son could find a reliable source.  I hope he'll add the info to Mercer's article.  Do you know when and where he served?  Did Marine Corps service make a difference in his boxing?  &mdash; User: (talk) 01:49, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

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Portal update
Tony, FYI. Check out the October update of the USMC Portal. &mdash; User: (talk) 01:38, 2 October 2007 (UTC)