User talk:Marine 69-71/Archive 8

Grito de Lares
Hey, Tony, good to hear from you. I'm not an admin so I'll be sure to let you know when the consensus period is up. I'd love to help with the Irish immigration to Puerto Rico article if I can, I was also thinking it might be useful to start an all encompassing Immigration to Puerto Rico page like we have for the US, Mexico, etc. --Cúchullain t/ c 20:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree; if I can be of any help, try looking for people with these last names: O'Donnell, O'Leary, Sullivan (Sólivan), Murphy (Morfi), Gates (Guéits... I know one of those), O'Reilly and O'Farrell (I know another one). Don't look for Logan, except on the pub where Shannon's (sic) Pub used to sit ;-) Demf 12:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Medal of Honor images
I noticed that you were making those changes. To be honest, it took some getting used to, as before they were all uniform and the MOH ribbon matched the infobox well. (It took me quite a while to find an image that didn't have a colored background; and, my thought was not so much to show what the medal looked like, as that can be found on the main article, but rather to bring immediate recognition and due respect &mdash; something to set their infoboxes apart from all the rest.) I wish that the rendering of the medal was more like the one that has been on all the USMC recipients &mdash; more photographic than line rendering. But that said, your change is historically accurate; and, this is an encyclopedia. So, kudos for all the work. &mdash;ERcheck (talk) @ 21:59, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I got my start in writing USMC bios when I realized that not every Commandant of the Marine Corps had an article. After creating the missing CMC articles, I completed all of the Sergeants Major of the Marine Corps; then, I found that not all Medal of Honor recipients had articles.  That has been my ongoing project &mdash; I've created well over 100 of the 180+ articles, and there are more to go (WWI (8) & WWII (82) are complete; 6 more to complete from Korea (42) and 12 more from Vietnam (57)).... Let me think on your offer ... to consider the balance between uniformity and accuracy. For awhile, I was putting the Medal of Honor image next to the citation, but I didn't like the balance, as the length of citations varied so greatly.  Perhaps the historical version might fit well in the main article biography, next to the action (not in the intro). What do you think?  Don't make any changes yet. I'll ponder on it for a while. Thanks so much.  I do very much appreciate and enjoy your contributions to the USMC articles. &mdash;ERcheck (talk) @ 23:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Diplomats
I disagree with you and would like the category back on the list. For Puerto Ricans and many other underrepresented Latin groups in the USA, diplomacy is a much more respected job than the many professions listed on this list (clowns, outlaws, security guards, etc..). Especially for a non-independent nation, it shows that Puerto Ricans have the ability to conduct international relations. I am reverting the deletion back and you can start a discussion on the page just as you did for El Grito de Lares, but deleting it and not recognizing this important contribution to world politics would be completely ignorant.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by XLR8TION (talk • contribs)


 * What contributions to world politics have Cesar Benito Cabrera, Gabriel Guerra-Mondragon, Luis Guinot and Hans Hertell made to world politics that made them notable or famous? O.K., so they were ambassadors to some country but, what were their accomplishments as Ambassadors representing the United States?  The only notable former U.S. Ambassadors who were Puerto Rican were Horacio Rivero and Teodoro Moscoso and even they did not gain notability as Ambassadors.  I agree that there are too many names in the "list" who do not merit being there and should be taken out and that includes Ambassadors whose only shining moment was to be named Ambassadors but, who have not gained any notability nor fame.  Look, I know that you feel very strong about Puerto Rico and you know that I feel the same way, the only thing that I'm trying to say is that we can't continue to add names to the list unless their accomplishments have been notable and have put the name of "Puerto Rico" en alto.  Tony the Marine 02:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Tony, I've been editing again for a few days now but haven't taken the time to respond to old messages on my talk page yet. I wanted to thank you for remembering my birthday. That made me smile. I can't say yet that I'm back full-time, but for the time being I'm finding it difficult to avoid patrolling Anon RC. I knew I shouldn't have made that one little edit to an article. This place is an addiction. One edit and you're hooked. LOL! Well, I just wanted to drop you a note and say Thank You. SWAdair 05:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * And gracias for my barnstar(!)Demf 13:29, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Page you may be interested in
Tony - I started a stub article on 2nd Battalion 9th Marines. Seeing as this was your old unit I thought you may be interested in having a cut at it. Semper Fi.--Looper5920 11:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Thomas P. Noonan, Jr.
Tony, Did you know LCpl Noonan? &mdash; ERcheck (talk) @ 23:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'm glad you joined the Corps and that it made a difference in your life.  Thank you for serving. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) @ 00:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Catalan last names
Tony, just in case, remember that last names as Tió, Picó, Lladó, Lladró (and, of course, Miró) are Catalan in origin, and as such, don't follow Spanish language accentuation rules. Wink, wink... Demf 14:24, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Check out the Main Page DYK
Tony, Check out the Main Page top article in Did you know? (I hope it will be there when you come online next.)  &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 18:28, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I was referring to the William T. Perkins, Jr. article &mdash; I'm glad you enjoyed reading it. I don't know if you got a chance to see the "interesting fact" on DYK ... I've moved it to the USMC Portal DYK box (on top), with similar wording. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 01:42, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Chat
Sorry to hear that you have illness in your family. I'll keep your wife and mother-in-law in my prayers.

You are moving in star circles &mdash; first Tom Seaver and now Roberto Duran!

I've been keeping an eye on the 2/9 article. It's nice to see it expanded by someone who was a part of the unit. It is growing into a very respectable article. (I guess you didn't mind the formatting change I made for the Medal of Honor recipients, as you used it for other notable members of 2/9.)

&mdash; ERcheck (talk) 01:42, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Hola, Tony
Tony, you don't offically know me, but I am a member of the Chicano wiki-project and I know you've done a lot of great work on Hispanic topics. I don't know if you follow the project talk page, but I wanted to bring to your attention a page on the wiki español page, [], because I know you've done work on lots of Puerto Rican Marines. I think Sgt. Peralta deserves a page on every language wiki (and that every Hispanic Medal of Honor winner should have a dedicated page as well), and that his removal from the español site would be unfortunate. Just thought you might be interested. Anyway, please pardon the interruption, and thanks for all the hard work you've put into making a Hispanic dent on the wiki. Hasta la victoria siempre. --Murcielago 15:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, although you are semi-retired, I don't think a "Hispanics Awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor" page would be too difficult to do if you would want to collaborate on it. Yo soy Nuevo Mexicano, y como los soldados y marineros Puertorriqueños, los Hispanos de Nuevo México han sido buen soldados Americanos, y muy patrióticos.  I can think of at least two New Mexican Medal of Honor winners off the top of my head - Daniel Fernandez in Vietnam and Joe Martinez in WWII.  Most of the citations are in public domain and the lists of names have already been compiled elsewhere before, and I think there are only like 42 Hispanics to cover.  I've heard it said that relative to their numbers that have served, Hispanics have won more Medals of Honor than any other race.  Anyway, I'm getting long winded, but if you're interested, let me know. Murcielago 03:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

MUY bien hecho, Tony. That page makes me proud. I may do a few of the red-links, but the page is comprehensive. Gracias. - Murcielago 14:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Hola Tony
Favor escribirme a astridpr@msn.com para verificar las correcciones sobre el articulo de Astrid Munoz. Gracias.

How is it going?
Hi Tony, How's the family? Hope everyone is well. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 23:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Great work on the Hispanic Medal of Honor recipients. I've got to smile.  As I was leaving you the note above, I noticed the message above on the exact topic.  At this minute, I am in the midst of creating the article on Daniel Fernandez.  (You'll know when I click the save page, if this link is blue.)  I note that on the new page that there are a number of redlinks for which there are already articles.  As soon as I finish Sp4c Fernandez article, I'll try to make those fixes. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 00:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * OK &mdash; done on both counts. I added one reference to your page &mdash; a link to an official US Army site with a list of Army Medal of Honor recipients. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 00:36, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The article is a great find. I wish I knew the original source of the article. Are you planning on creating the Silva page, or do you want me to do it? I've created 100+ USMC Medal of Honor recipient bios, so, I have a bit of a system going.  But, I don't mind at all if you want to do it.  &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 02:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Sgt Peralta article
Tony, there already is an article on Sgt Peralta &mdash; Rafael Peralta. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 02:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Saludos
Hola tony, espero que estes bien. No se si te acuerdas de mi, pero hace unos meses atras nos topamos en el articulo del Spindalis boricua. 'Anyway' es que hace mucho tiempo que no contribuyo al wiki y hace unas semanas vengo haciendo un lento regreso. Queria ponerme en tu disposicion para si hay algun articulo o tema que estes/quieras desarrollar poder ayudarte ya que se me esta haciendo dificil encontrar un articulo que verdaderamente me cautive para mejorarlo (solo hay uno ahora mismo y no tengo mucho material). Saludos, Nnfolz 08:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Medal of honor recipients
Wow, that was quick! I thought that it was a little sinvergüenza of them to discount mine and Murciélago's votes on es:wikipedia, especially since I took the time to explain my reasons for voting in detail. But without the seniority that I have here, I suppose I can't complain. The new page looks very nice, and will tie in perfectly with an article I hope to write: Military history of Mexican-Americans. I was at a lecture with Sal Castro last month and he knew everything there was to know. It goes back to New Spain's military support of General Washington and the Revolutionaries! Unfortunately, I'm about to start a year-long intensive program to get a teacher's credential and a Master's degree (in education), so I may have to put my wiki-activities on hold, or at least slow them down a bit. Thanks for the wiki-birthday wishes (my real birthday is next week; I'm getting old), --Rockero 15:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

List of notable Puerto Ricans
Hey, Tony. I was wondering that since list of notable Puerto Ricans has been created that List of Puerto Ricans is no longer necessary. We could delete that article or convert to a redirect and just stick with the Category:Puerto Rican people to recognize all Puerto Rican people articles. What do you think? Joelito (talk) 16:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Mi gran amigo
Done. Ya añadi la pagina a mi 'watchlist'. Pregunta: Un articulo que me interesaa mucho mejorar es el ded Luis López Nieves, pero estoy en blanco ya que la mayoria de la info que puediese poner esta en su pagina web (www.ciudadseva.com) y no se me ocurre nada que no sea una copia practicamente exacta a su pagina web. Any ideas? Nnfolz 22:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Hispanic Medal of Honor recipients
The Hispanic Medal of Honor recipients page, now at List of Hispanic Medal of Honor recipients, had a comment from an editor about format of the page. Personally, I don't feel that the list format needs to change. I've made a comment about this on article's talk page. You might be interested in weighing in on it. I'm going to leave a similar note on User:Murcielago's talk page, since he was the article requestor. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 23:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Luis López Nieves
Conseguir la informacion no es problema. En su pagina de internet hay una super extensa biografia de el desglosada por eventos. Conseguir informacion sobre el no es problema, es mi tio por parte d emadre y con una llamada tengo, pero es que noe stoy muy seguro que quiera casi copiar una pagina web completa en el wiki.Nnfolz 04:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do then. By the way I changed the image of the flag on the List of notable Puerto Ricans article. I just uploaded it and this being my first upload I have no idea what to do where it asks me to put the 'license tags' and all the technical stuff.Nnfolz 05:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

This is the image:


 * Puse el Tag que me dijistes a ver si no me la borran ahora.Nnfolz 05:56, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Chaguanas
Hi Tony. I'm having a very hard time explaining to a new user what constitutes appropriate material for an article about a town. I was wondering if you could drop by Talk:Chaguanas and try to resolve the dispute. Thanks. Guettarda 16:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Ciudad Seva
Hello Tony!

I started today the article about Ciudad Seva (the web site) as part of my attemps to imrpove the articles related to Luis López Nieves. I thought about telling you (and some others) so that you can maybe drop by and help me fix and improve the article litle by litle (especially my horrible spelling). See you aorund.Nnfolz 19:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Have you seen this?
Tony, Have you seen this? &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 01:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)



Spanish Wiki
You know, I hadn't even caught that they had deleted your comments, because it happened before I even had a chance to read them. That's even worse than crossing out mine and Rockero's vote. But I've given up over there. I've decided to just help make the English wiki articles all they can be. I nominated your article for DYK and it looks like we got some recognition here. Gracias por todo.-Murcielago 21:59, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Throughbred racing project
A number of Wikipedians have come together and formed the WikiProject Throughbred racing  to help to expand and better organise information in articles and categories related to the sport of thoroughbred racing. As a past contributor to horse racing articles, we invite you to consider becoming a participant in the project, and/or adding the page to your watchlist so that you become aware, and can join any future horse racing discussions, which may be of interest to you. Regards - Cuddy Wifter 07:09, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:Chat
Al is good. Trying to find some references/sources for the Ciudad Seva article I created. I'm having trouble finding info on the site other than the site itself and LLN is out of the country traveling (and will be for the following weeks) I think I've hit a troublesome obstacle. Other than that i'm cool. i aded the tag you said to the image of the flag. I wasen't aware it needed that to be used by all. C-yopu around.Nnfolz 19:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Silvestre S. Herrera article
Tony,

I can only guess what User:Circeus is getting at with his inline comments.
 * 1) As far as the "verbatim" comment, I'm guessing he would expect either " " marks or use of the "blockquote" tag. However, I'm surprised that he did not just make that change himself.
 * 2) "Authorized to wear" &mdash; perhaps Circeus is not familiar with how medals are awarded; that "authorized to wear" is an acceptable way to say awarded.  (In fact, I think with some medals, it is the phrase more generally heard, such as for the National Defense Service Medal.) Perhaps, the simpler wording "to be awarded" might help.  I would find it immediately apparent that the awards came from the respective governments.

So, to each of these points, I've done the following/suggest to you:
 * 1) I've added the official citation page from the U.S. Army to the reference list, and reformatted that citation section.
 * 2) If you are comfortable with the above wording, go ahead and make the change.

I do suggest that you have a chat with Circeus to prevent any misunderstandings from escalating. At this point, it does seem a bit like he is picking out your articles for scrutiny. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 19:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Another interesting read
While researching on Herrera, I came across this speech that you might be interested in: &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 21:36, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Congratulations on the honor! I'm looking forward to reading the article. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 00:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Please let it not be so
I hope you were kidding by this summary "Another article by the Marine (and maybe my last)". Joelito (talk) 16:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I am really saddened to hear that but family comes first and you have done more than enough. Your contributions clearly deserve more recognition than "Ilustre boricua", you are a model to us all. Joelito (talk) 20:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Article on Peralta
Just the other day, we were discussing the article on Rafael Peralta. Now it has been nomianted for deletion &mdash; Articles for deletion/Rafael Peralta. With so many articles on less notable topics &mdash; comic books, anime, movies, etc., I'm sometimes quite surprised to see certain articles ending up nominated for deletion. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 01:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

User subpages
Saludos tony: How do i create sub pages within my user page?Nnfolz 03:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Done! Thxs a lot, that page will come in handy. Question: are you really leaving wikipedia? Is something wrong with you family health (i think i read that somewhere)?Nnfolz 03:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Un Ilustre Boricua
Esper que publiquen esa carta, todo loq ue se dice en el email es verdad. Tu, lamentablemente eres una raza que me parece esta e peligro de extincion, por eso es que la gente como tu es tan valiosa. Sigue haciendo lo que esta shaciendo que no pasa desapercivido. Saludos, Nnfolz 10:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Check it out &mdash; Barkley article on DYK
FYI. David B. Barkley is currently on the Main Page DYK. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 23:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Humbert Roque Versace
I've made some edits to Humbert Roque Versace's article. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 03:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Question: Was Versace the first Army POW MOH recipient or the first Army Vietnam War POW recipient. When I read the remarks by President Bush when presenting the Medal of Honor to Versace's family, there seemed to be the qualification of "Southeast Asia".  &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 03:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Humbert Versace was a POW in Vietnam from 29 October 1963 to 26 September 1965. It is this date range that is cited in his Medal of Honor citation.  U.S. Navy Vice Admiral James Bond Stockdale (1923-2005), shot down on September 9, 1965 and held prisoner in North Vietnam for over 7 years, was awarded the Medal of Honor in 1976..  So, there is a Vietnam War POW "after" him. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 04:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I also made some edits to Marie Teresa Rios. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 04:13, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Vietnam War
In this Army News Service article on Versace's Medal of Honor, the last paragraph reads:
 * "To date, 245 Medals of Honor have been awarded to service members for actions during the Vietnam War. Of that number, 159 have gone to Army recipients. Including Versace, eight Vietnam POWs received the nation's highest award for valor -- the others earned them for heroic actions that occurred before their captivity."

Stockdale's Medal of Honor citation [ ] give the date and place of action for which he was awarded the Medal of Honor as "Hoa Lo prison, Hanoi, North Vietnam, 4 September 1969". So, this date was after Versace's.

&mdash; ERcheck (talk) 04:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Korean War
See Tibor Rubin. His Medal of Honor citation dates include his captivity; so, there was at least one prior POW MOH recipient.


 * He served in the U.S. Army. So, that answers the Army question.

&mdash; ERcheck (talk) 04:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Humbert Versace
His story is amazing. I am pleased for the dedication of his peers and friends who pursued his Medal of Honor. Check out this Today Show video, made prior to his Medal of Honor award. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 04:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK

 * Amigo, your Hispanic MoH page has lead to a streak of DYK's. That's great; I hope that through it, many people read and learn about some of the contributions that the Hispanic diaspora has made to this country.  I know I have.  -Murcielago 15:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Verdad. By the way, I wanted to share something with you.  I don't know how much you know about NM history, but like Puerto Rico, New Mexico was a spoil of war (here is a story about my home town, for example Battle of Mora).  Reading all these Hispanic MoH stories, couldn't help but think of Yeats's poem, "An Irish Airman Foresees his Death", and admire those fallen heroes for the fact that many of them were fighting for a country that at the time did not see them as worthy to call themselves "American." -Murcielago 16:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for telling me about Del Valle! That's pretty amazing, isn't it?  By the way, I'm the one that put Admiral Farragut on the list of Notable Hispanics.  It's not well known, but his father was Spanish. -Murcielago 20:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Herrera's Medal
Tony, I've asked a Mexican friend, Rune Welsh to look into this. In the mean time, here is a Spanish language discussion of Herrera: http://www.laprensa-sandiego.org/archieve/september20-02/honor.htm, and an article from the Arizona Republic : http://www.hispanicvista.com/html/100702cn.htm --Murcielago 21:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC). Moreover, the Spanish Wiki sucks a whole lot, and there are no discussions about Mexican Military decorations over there, though apparantly General MacArthur received the same medal, which in the English Wiki is red-linked as "Order of Military Merit". --Batman


 * Tony, For the military info box awards entry:
 * "awards – optional – any notable awards or decorations the person received"
 * For all U.S. Armed Forces personnel, we've been listing the medals in order of precedence for the individual's particular branch of service. We also stop at the Purple Heart Medal, since the guidelines indicate "notable awards".  So, for Herrera, on his list of awards, the Mexican government's award would go last on the list.  Since there is not yet and article on that award, I would unwikilink it (I hate seeing redlinks).  You could then relink it when/if you write the article on English Wikipedia. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 22:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, I couldn't resist. I've gone ahead and done as I suggested above.  Question &mdash; are there any articles on English Wikipedia on Mexican military decorations?  On the Mexican military? &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 22:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No, and none on the Spanish Wiki, either. -Murcielago 23:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm a bit dismayed/dumbfounded by User:Circeus challenges to the article and the reliability of the information. It's not the first time he has similarly criticized articles on U.S. military articles &mdash; in particular, on the now-List of Hispanic Medal of Honor recipients.  I hope it is not something personal, but rather a zealous editor. I will assume good faith on his part and hope that with the information provided on the talk page on the reliability of sources and the existence of the medal, he will be satisfied that verifiability has been met. As far as the availability of online sources, Wikipedia does not require online sources.  Some countries have more online data available.  That one cannot find an official online source from Mexico that gives information about the medal's history (especially during WWII), does not mean it is unproven. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 00:20, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Ditto. I was facetious in the MacArthur statement, but it was a real statement.  I don't think it was wrong for people to want the proper name of the award reflected; it was the insinuation that it was fabricated that I couldn't stand.  Google was no help to anybody here, it varied from "Premier" to "Premio" to "Primer".  Thanks, guys, for helping on this.-Murcielago 00:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I was editing as you were. We had an edit conflict in save.  My comment above are expanded since you commented above. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 00:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Tony, thanks for the comment. It's good to hear that you don't consider it personal. I guess I took it to heart when I felt like he might be directing something toward you. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 00:51, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Tony, thanks for the message on my talk page. It's been an interesting discussion, with some interesting research. What seems very sad is that the Mexican government and/or military just don't have any good information up on the web about their medals and decorations. Bolivian Unicyclist 01:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK
I hope that's not your last article! --  Grue  14:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Gracias
Tony, I can only hope to begin to do for my people what you have done for yours on this encyclopaedia. Gracias por la estrella. The honor is mine to have befriended you! Keep up the good fight, my brother. --Murcielago 20:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Joseph H. De Castro
Joseph H. De Castro is listed as being with the Massachusetts Infantry during the Civil War. I don't know enough about U.S. Army history and Civil War history to know if the individual state infantries were considered part of the U.S. Army. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 22:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * OK. Technicalities may come into play here.  Is he of Spanish ancestry or Portugese ancestry?  It looks like he may have ancestors from Curaçao.
 * The Castro surname seems to have both Spanish and Italian origins.
 * The De Castro name is a bit confusing &mdash; German, Portugese, Spanish....
 * &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 23:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Not conclusive of anything, but he was married to a "Rosalia Rodriguez" -Murcielago 00:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

19th Massachusetts Infantry
The references I've found say he was a Corporal in Company I of the 19th Massachusetts Infantry. I've tried to find info on the the 19th Massachusetts Infantry. So far, I've found no mention of De Castro in their numbers. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 23:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * History - Massachusetts Infantry

Army / Volunteer
Tony, it makes sense, but before adding that info to a Wiki page, I think it is important to get confirmation. I wonder if the CMOH society would know? Or, even closer to home, perhaps a Civil War expert in the Military history WikiProject. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 01:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * See this section on the Military history project.  Perhaps the Army War College would be able to anser the question. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 01:15, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That piece seems to say that they ARE recognized as Army when needed &mdash; which would be the case when they were fighting in the Civil War as a part of the Army. So, I think this might mean that  he would be Army.  Perhaps going to the Army recognition &mdash; as the Army why not De Castro as the first Hispanic Medal of Honor recipient. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 01:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Gettysburg Medal of Honor recipients
See this article on Gettysburg Medal of Honor recipients. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 01:27, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This on Order of Battle. See where the 19th Massachusetts Infantry is listed. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 01:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I edited your User Page
Tony, the barnstar section of your userpage was rendering in such a way that they were overlapping and could not all be seen. I made some edits. It renders well for me now. However, feel free to revert if you don't like the change. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 01:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Medal of Honor references
I would wait to make any changes to the David B. Barkley article. There are references on the "first". One course of action might be to contact an official agency/group or source of the information. The CMOHS is open M-F until 5 pm (already closed today). Perhaps the U.S. Army?&mdash; ERcheck (talk)

The references on Latinos in Wartime mentions both De Castro and Barkley as MOH recipients. Their references on Barkley are (Vista 1992; Heller 1993), both after 1989 when he was recognized.
 * Heller, Michele A. 1993. "On the Front Lines." Hispanic 6:34 & 36.
 * Vista, 1992. "Texan Who Concealed his Origin is 38th Hispanic Medal of Honor Recipient." 7:25.

&mdash; ERcheck (talk) 22:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Additional references

 * http://coloquio.com/famosos/barkley.htm
 * PewHispanic (this site does not list De Castro as a Latino)
 * http://www3.esu.edu/images/userimages/BFriday/6138/oct-nov2005.pdf (PDF)
 * http://www.lasculturas.com/lib/mil_AFMilitaryData.htm 1993 report by the US Gov (De Castro not listed)
 * This 2006 references lists De Castro and Barkley. See page 16.
 * http://www.jsri.msu.edu/commconn/latnews/may98.html De Castro listed here. 1998. Original here

I've found a number of U.S. Government publications for Hispanic Heritage month (various years) that list Barkley as the Army's first MOH recipient. Last 2005. So, there is something missing here. Both were born in the U.S. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 22:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * My best guess at this point is "Regular Army" versus volunteer militia. &mdash; ERcheck (talk)

Flag chat
I know you want to use various flags of Puerto Rico, and that is one goal that I commend, but the problem is that many of the flag images that you have uploaded in the past, they are coming from sources that do not want their flags images to be used. What I can suggest is that we merge this article with Flag of Puerto Rico and keep the flags that are freely licensed, then link to both FOTW and Vexilla Mundi, but not upload the images here. How does that sound? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge is nearly complete, I brought some of your tables into the article, but instead of many pics, I added links to the websites you found the flag images from, so if people wish to see the flags, they can go there. I am still seeing what flags I have done in the past, so I will make a small gallery/sampling later on. If there is anything else, let me know. And I am sorry if it feels like I am picking on you; I know you mean no harm with the photo uploads, but I am following the wishes of the copyright holders. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Fact finding on MoH
Some of the sources above are from military sites; however, there is not an explicit explanation that I can find about Bartley's award and the recognition as a "first". The official Honor Roll was not established until 1917. That begs the question of what records were actually kept prior to 1917. I think that the Army would the correct source to answer the question, but I'm not sure what office should receive the inquiry. The Congressional Medal of Honor Society (CMOHS) might be a good place to start. I did try to call the CMOHS today, but as I noted, it was after hours. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 04:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

flag history
Is there any reason that the histories of Flags of Puerto Rico and Flag of Puerto Rico weren't merged? From your note it seems they should be. If they should be, I'd be glad to do it. - Nunh-huh 04:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Take a look. Everything should be right, now. - Nunh-huh 05:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Glad to be of help. - Nunh-huh 05:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

De Castro article
That was quick ... a very nice article. I made some minor copyedits. Now, say it isn't so (your edit history comment).... this can't be your last article. Slow down.... will you be making daily edits?

You handled the issue of "first" very adeptly. It is clear that De Castro was the first Hispanic MOH recipient; and sources say that Bartley is the first from the U.S. Army; so, it is correct, as far as if verifiable at this point.

&mdash; ERcheck (talk) 05:11, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I hope all is well with you. I continue to keep you and your family in my prayers.  &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 06:01, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Admin nom
Tony, If you have confidence that it would be a successful nomination, I would be honored at this time. I've spent time in a variety of areas on Wikipedia and find there are times when it would be more efficient if I were in a position to perform admin-only functions. And, taking a break from creating and editing articles is a good way to prevent Wiki-burnout. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 19:00, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Tony, excellent choice. There is no one that deserves it more.--Looper5920 08:04, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Your sandbox
I know you're watching ;-) I confess, I messed with the Sandbox &mdash; there are some great references out there.  &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 19:31, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I know &mdash; but I confessed before you caught me. ;-)

Your high temps beat mine &mdash; about 96 degrees right now. Keep cool. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 20:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * About edit counts: When I use Interiot/Tool2/code.js to look at my edit counts, it returns
 * Total edits	13393
 * Distinct pages edited	7363
 * versus the
 * Total edits: 10827
 * Distinct pages edited: 6107
 * That your sandbox note has. Are you using the old Interiot tool?  I thought it was disabled/not working for quite some time. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 04:51, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Bozat information
One of the sources (Latinos in WWII) indicates that she was born on New Year's Eve 1919, which would be December 31, 1919. Do you have different source for the January 1, 1919 birthdate? &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 02:22, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

McClintock bio attacks
I've noticed that one\ or two partisans have been heavily and untruthfully editing the bio of controversial (and widely admired) Puerto Rico Senate President McClintock. As one who has defended the integrity of all things Puerto Rican in Wikipedia, I hope you'll take a look and undo a lot of the damage that they've done. I know the Senator and his wife quite well, know that he doesn't live in Monte Hiedra's million dollar homes but in a much less exclusive upper-middle-class neighborhood called Laderas de San Juan (but then again, why should that appear in Wikipedia!!!???). The article desperately needs your magical touch and your protection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.15.1 (talk • contribs)

Rocky Versace
Thank you for the kind compliment. If you perused my user page (of which I'm still learning the ins and outs--someone or something changed/moved a userbox and I'm not sure why???) you could tell military history, particularly the entire notion of gallantry, holds a special place in my feelings. Rocky Versace's name caught my eye. I was in Army ROTC in college and had a TAC officer at Ft. Sill in 1967 named Captain Arthur Jackson--he was a tanker, a black dude, and a cool guy. We called him "Captain Jack". He and Rocky Versace had been lieutenants together at the Armor school in Fort Knox and it was he who first told me the story of Rocky's ordeal. Coming from Captain Jack, I've always felt all these years a kinship with Versace. It was a privilege to add a little info to the article.--Buckboard 07:19, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject Newsletter - Issue V - July 2006
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Accept admin nom
Tony, Thank you for the kind words on my admin nomination. I do accept the nomination. I will be formally accepting on the RfA page later today. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 14:10, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The admin nomination process information suggests that the nominator review the nominees answers before they are posted. I've put them here.  I'd appreciate your review and comments on that sandbox page.  &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 19:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW... I'm really puzzled. I wrote this same comment about 4 hours ago, and thought I posted it to your talk page.  But, it seems to have evaporated into the ether.  I did have a browser crash during that time; .... Oh, well, no harm done. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 19:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reviewing my responses. I've formally accepted the nomination and posted my answers to the candidate questions.  &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 20:10, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Migene Gonzalez-Wippler
Can you check the article I did for the above subject? She is in the author's section. The biography was transferred from a website. Is there a way to cite this properly and make sure that her picture is labeled with the correct copyright label? —Preceding unsigned comment added by XLR8TION (talk • contribs)

New article of interest
New article you might be interested in &mdash; Jose M. Lopez. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 02:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * See this on Guy Gabaldon. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 08:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I Need Help
Can you check out the photo for Sila Calderon? I had to replace it because someone had place the photo of a male basketball player in her main article photo spot. Can you select the proper licensing for it?

Also check out my articles for Gabriel Guerra-Mondragon and Hans Hertell. I am still working on Hertell's article so it is a work in progress. Check it out and tell me what you think. Also, can you add categories and other internal links for these two articles as well as the article for Migene Gonzalez-Wippler.

Thanks for you time and help!--XLR8TION 04:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Gabriel Guerra-Mondragón
The proper link for Gabriel is Gabriel Guerra-Mondragón. I added the accent mark to Mondragon. Sorry about the typo. --XLR8TION 11:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding other Diplomat articles
I will complete two articles on the the other two PR diplomats shortly, thus completing this section. I will let you know when I have posted them.--XLR8TION 11:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Articles/Barnstar
I will address the issue with the person who is trying to remove the flag and other symbols off the page. I will see how I can place the barnstar on my page. Still a novice when it comes to the site's technical stuff.--XLR8TION 18:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment on del Valle article
Tony, I notice that you put an image of the Navy Distinguished Service Medal in Pedro del Valle's infobox. I moved it into the Awards and decorations section. My reasoning &mdash; (1) He is not notable because of the DSM, but rather for his entire career; (2) the infobox "Awards" section was intended to hold the awards (the generally accepted ordering is by order of precedence); (3) the Medal of Honor recipients are unique, in particular being awarded the Medal of Honor is of itself notable, the special honors that are due a Medal of Honor recipient, the immediate recognizability of the award, etc. This is my opinion. What do you think? &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 00:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Guy Gabaldon
Tony, I found the stub you created. I added a number of external links. I would love to see you add a section on the current efforts to get Gabaldon's Navy Cross upgraded to the Medal of Honor. See the LULAC reference. I also added the NC citation. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 01:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Providencia Parades
Can you help me properly label this photograph:



It is found in the article for Providencia Parades. Someone informed me that it is an orphaned image and will be deleted, but I am not sure what it means? Any help will be truly apprecriated.--XLR8TION 01:46, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Is there another tag I can use to label the photo? It was used by the auction house for promotional reasons. She was auctioning Kennedy memorabilia and that is why there is a shot.

Also, whenever you get a chance, take a look at the article I wrote for Luis Guinot--XLR8TION 02:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedians by alma mater
I moved the PR section back to the US, which notes that it has territories as well as states. WhisperToMe 06:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Maria Celeste Arraras
The photograph of her outside the "Today Show" needs proper labeling. It is from this Sunday's New York Times article on her popularity with viewers after guest hosting the show. What type of licensing should be used for a photograph that is not a screen shot, but instead a off camera photo?--XLR8TION 10:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Notable Puerto Ricans
I did some more editing and got a lot of the sections alphabetized. This is tedious as hell so I won't finish it right now. I'll probably will tonight though. Glad you like it. On another note: I think the user on the talk page might have a point aout the 'content forking'. I still havent read the whole page to see what it is about so I was wondering if you knew anything.Nnfolz 15:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll give it a shot when I have a chance - pretty busy right now (I have a final to give in my class tomorrow). Guettarda 16:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

What is verifiable sources?
Some days ago I corrected and supplemented some misleading information on the page famous Puertorricans, with this; It seems that you deleted it saying "please provide a verifiable source" Revision as of 22:19; 17 July 2006. Can you please define what is a verifiable source under your history standards? I ask, with due respect, that the verifiable source was properly quoted as requierd by the History discipline of which I earneda a Ph.D. The verifiable source for readers like you and your audience is: Lopez Cantos, Angel., Miguel Enriquez. San Juan: Ediciones Puerto, 1998.
 * Capt. Miguel Enriquez, Corsair; in the first half of the 18th Century was considered the richest mani in the New World. With an army of his own defeated an d evacuated the british form the small Island of Vieques.--In terrorem fidei defenso 01:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC) Ref. Lopez Cantos, Angel. Miguel Enriquez. San Juan: Ediciones Puerto.1998.

Now, if that does not serve you, please let me know, because I may interpret that you do not have confidence in hispanic scholars, you need an Engish name or scholar name to ascertain the veracity of history, that you do not know the scholar Lopez Cantos, or maybe worst; that you do not want no body messing with your history point of view. In which case I can understand and also have my own interpretation about people that do that; Plain historical incompetency. It gets to me when I find people that likes to feel on top of the hill saying this and that, and deleting other people contributions simply because they don't like what others have to contribute or simply put, they don't like the sound of it. Excuse me if I soud rough on you, but that is the way I do feel. This has ben going for some time now, the same as with the Abercromby page, if history does not soud to some history amateurs or enthusiats it isn't history. yours truly, Reverend (I'm also a graduated Theologist) Jose Pereda Ph.D (and well earned) hagiosfenum@prtc.net --In terrorem fidei defenso 15:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Que pasa compadre? I know that there are certain things in life that bother us but, that's life. O.K., so you have your PhD in history (Which is very admirable) and I am a member of Mensa International. When it comes to writing articles in Wikipedia, it doesn't mean a thing if we do not follow the guidelines established. One of those guidelines clearly state that "Original Research" is not allowed, only reliable sources which can be verified by other editors in the "net". I don't make the rules here, I just follow them and inforce them.

I respect the fact that a "scholar" like Lopez Cantos has written about Miguel Enriquez but, to state that "Enriquez in 18th Century was considered the richest man in the New World" seems a little too far fetched. Considered by whom? The "richest" man in the world? Richer then the King of Spain, King of England? This sounds as "point of view". Where's the proof of these claims? Don't tell me that just because Lopez Canto states this in his book that it is a fact. As a historian you should know that history if based on facts and not what may be considered as "POV" and that many scholars and historians alike rewrite history to acommadate their beliefs.

Now let me remind you that I am not indicating that yours and Lopezs position is as you say "plain historical incompetency", these statements may be true but, unless they can be verified on a reliable source they will be deleted. It is policy, not me.

I respect you for your knowledge and I expect the same from you to me. If you looked at my User page you would have realized that I have contributed more to Puerto Rico and Puerto Rican related articles hwere in the "Pedia" and that thanks to my efforts more English speaking people are learning about our wonderful island and its people. Que Dios te bendiga. Tony the Marine 19:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

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