User talk:Mariner2222

April 2015
Hello, I'm Binksternet. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Pamela Geller seemed less than neutral to me, so I removed it for now. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 15:39, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Changing "soccer" to "football (soccer)"
Hi, I noticed you changed the intros to several articles to change "soccer" to "football (soccer)". Please keep in mind that we generally stick to the local variation of English, and in North America, "football" refers to the local variation of the sport and "soccer" is used to refer to the association style of football. Please see WP:ENGVAR. Thanks. Mosmof (talk) 12:05, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * i understand. that's why i added both, to clarify any confusion. Mariner2222 (talk) 12:06, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how that's helpful, since "soccer" is a more precise shorthand for "association football". If it's confusing to readers, they can always click on the link to find out what soccer is. Mosmof (talk) 12:08, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * i didn't remove the link. Mariner2222 (talk) 12:09, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying you removed it. I'm just saying there's no reason to put "football" in there because we're talking about subjects where the primary audience uses the term "soccer", and there's no reason to put "soccer" in parentheses because that's the more common term, not "football". Mosmof (talk) 12:21, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * the primary audience is international. and in international circles association football is known as football. Mariner2222 (talk) 12:26, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Please stop. The US articles use US terminology.  JohnInDC (talk) 12:45, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I never removed us terminology. also association football is international. Mariner2222 (talk) 12:46, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This has been gone over again and again - please obtain consensus from the project page before undertaking these bulk changes. Thanks.  JohnInDC (talk) 12:48, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Please take this to the project Talk page, where you can see that your point of view is finding little support. Editing in the face of consensus is disruptive.  Thanks.  JohnInDC (talk) 12:52, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Please stop continuing to edit articles without reaching consensus on WT:FOOTY. Please don't make it necessary to go to WP:ANI. Mosmof (talk) 12:54, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You have to stop making edits that fly in the face of consensus. Take this up at WP:FOOTY.  You will wind up blocked.  Thanks.  JohnInDC (talk) 13:01, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * that's not consensus. that's appropriation of a sport by a band of uncompromising jingoistic fucks. (pardon my french). Mariner2222 (talk) 13:02, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * While you are at it, please read WP:Civility. Thanks.  JohnInDC (talk) 13:03, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of it. Mariner2222 (talk) 13:04, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Then please follow it. Thanks.  And watch out for personal attacks and edit warring.  JohnInDC (talk) 13:06, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * done Mariner2222 (talk) 13:21, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

I have not read all that is on this talk page, but I was coming here to discuss this very subject. WP:COMMONNAME is the reason why North Amercian and I believe Australian and other regional variants of English call the sport "soccer" while other variants call it "football". The reasons are outlined at the association football article as well. Inserting your own preference is not appropriate. Depending on the crowd and my mood, I will call the sport here "football" but I immediately qualify it so that the audience understands that I am not referring to one of the gridiron sports that carry that name here in Canada. However, avoiding the whole thing is simpler which is why "soccer" is used. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:58, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Talkback
Mosmof (talk) 12:19, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

July 2015
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Julie Johnston. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism can result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. JohnInDC (talk) 13:02, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Alex Morgan, you may be blocked from editing. JohnInDC (talk) 13:07, 3 July 2015 (UTC)


 * adding relevant information is not nonconstructive. to any non american viewer the term soccer is alien and confusing. and last time i checked, association football isn't a thing only americans/canadians are involved with. Mariner2222 (talk) 13:08, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

3RR warning
Your recent editing history at Julie Johnston shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you get reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. JohnInDC (talk) 13:08, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

WP:3RR: edit-warring against established consensus
Mariner, you are hereby formally warned that you are engaged in an "edit war" per WP:EDITWAR, and that you may be blocked from further editing without further warning per WP:3RR and WP:EDITWAR. You are also editing against long-established WP:CONSENSUS that recognizes that "soccer" is the most commonly used term for association football in Australia, Canada and the United States. You need to listen to what your fellow editors are telling you at the WP:FOOTY talk page. If you continue to make these changes, contrary to consensus practice on Wikipedia, you are going to be blocked in short order. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:11, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

i refuse the consensus since i didn't remove soccer. Mariner2222 (talk) 13:13, 3 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Talk it out, talk it out. Contentious editing will just get you blocked.  (As will the language.)  JohnInDC (talk) 13:14, 3 July 2015 (UTC)


 * fine. i'm giving the correct name on every page. no footie, no soccer no football (soccer). association football. how's that sound? Mariner2222 (talk) 13:17, 3 July 2015 (UTC)


 * That would be a bad idea. Go see WP:POINT.  JohnInDC (talk) 13:19, 3 July 2015 (UTC)


 * since when is the correct name disruptive? footie is disruptive, soccer is disruptive, because their regional nicknames for the game. Association football is THE name of the game. Mariner2222 (talk) 13:21, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 12 hours for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text below this notice:. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Fenix down (talk) 13:28, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Please stop reinserting your preferred version of the use of football or soccer into numerous articles while a discussion is in full swing at WT:FOOTBALL. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:26, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * your assertion is wrong. i don not force one over the other. that's you doing that by removing my edit Mariner2222 (talk) 16:28, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Regardless of what you think, edit warring will only end badly. Please stop and allow the ongoing discussion of your edit patterns come to a conclusion before continuing to make mass edits, currently against consensus.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:36, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * why? you're going to ban me for a correct edit. soccer is a nickname. a regional nickname. it says so right there in the main association footbal page. and regional nicknames are not how wikipedia works. we don't have preferences here. Mariner2222 (talk) 16:38, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to ban you from anything. I think you'll find WP:ENGVAR is how Wikipedia works.  Cheers.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:39, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

July 2015
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Alex Morgan. Calidum T&#124;C 16:37, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * forcing the name soccer is vandalizing? you're going to ban me for a correct edit. soccer is a nickname. a regional nickname. it says so right there in the main association football page. and regional nicknames are not how wikipedia works. we don't have preferences here. Mariner2222 (talk) 16:39, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It didn't end well for you last time and the result won't be any different this time either. Please just stop and find something less - contentious with which to occupy your time.  Thanks.  JohnInDC (talk) 16:42, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * give me a valid counterargument and i'll stop. the name of the game is association football. soccer is a nickname as is football alone. nicknames are a preference. we don't do preferences on wikipedia. not on international pages. Mariner2222 (talk) 16:44, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

3RR warning (again)
Your recent editing history at Alex Morgan shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you get reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. JohnInDC (talk) 16:38, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * why? you're going to ban me for a correct edit. soccer is a nickname. a regional nickname. it says so right there in the main association football page. and regional nicknames are not how wikipedia works. we don't have preferences here. Mariner2222 (talk) 16:39, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok, you will be blocked shortly, regardless of whether you think your version is correct or not. Can I suggest, once the block expires, you continue to discuss this at the football project, as Wikipedia works on policies, guidelines and consensus, none of which seem to be in favour of your edits.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:45, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * it won't lead anywhere. some have a preference for soccer, i have a preference for football. but even i agree the name of the game is association football. it's right there on the main page of the game. it also says soccer is a nickname. now how can i start a discussion when i post people ignore it when it goes against their preference and accuse me of going against consensus when i post the CORRECT TERM. let me remind you that preference doesn't matter on wikipedia. or do we enforce in a way of consensus mob incorrect information? Mariner2222 (talk) 16:49, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You need to take your arguments to WP:FOOTY. (Ironic isn't it that the project page is best known and linked by a regional nickname for the sport, huh.)  JohnInDC (talk) 16:51, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You've already been directed to WP:ENGVAR and WP:TIES. Whether you like it or not, your edits have all been undone and will continue to be undone on the articles you are "correcting" until you are blocked.  Then, if you continue after your block expires, you may get a longer block, or even a ban.  It's really simple.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:52, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Also, keep in mind that the standard for naming on Wikipedia is WP:COMMONNAME, not the formal name. Because "soccer" is the commonly used term in countries where other codes of football are more prominent, soccer is the widely used term. So we say "soccer" for the same reason we say "Abby Wambach", her commonly used name, not "Mary Abigail Wambach", her formal name.

And I'm not sure there's any merit to the idea that the Britishism "soccer" is somehow confusing. UK listeners certainly don't find "Soccer Saturday" confusing. Even if they were, they could simply click on the wiki link to find out what strange sorcery this "soccer" business is. If they're still confused, then there's not much we can reasonably do to rescue willfully clueless readers. Mosmof (talk) 18:44, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text below this notice:. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. You're conduct is increasingly unacceptable. Multiple editors are pointing to relevant guidelines and consensus and you are continuing to ignore them. Your recent editing has been nothing but disruptive. Fenix down (talk) 21:32, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for sock puppetry. Note that multiple accounts are allowed, but using them for illegitimate reasons is not, and that any contributions made while evading blocks or bans may be reverted or deleted. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text below this notice:. Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 22:23, 17 September 2015 (UTC)