User talk:MarioMarkov11

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Your addition to Drosera rotundifolia
Hi, welcome to Wikipedia.

I don't want to put you off editing Wikipedia – we need all the plant editors we can get – but unfortunately there are issues with your addition to Drosera rotundifolia.


 * It's a firm policy that Wikipedia is not a horticultural manual. Read WP:NOTMANUAL. So although you can add information about cultivation to a plant article, it has to be done carefully and be quite limited. It must not be in the form of instructions, but can say what is recommended. I found this very difficult when I first started editing Wikipedia, and sometimes still do. Schlumbergera represents one of my attempts to keep within the guidelines. Note that it what others say is or should be done, it never  the reader what to do.  (Some editors don't like even the way I've written this section.)


 * It's also a firm policy that sources are provided for every addition. So you need to say where you got the information on growing D. rotundifolia from. If you're not sure how to add references, do please ask me – you can do it here.

Peter coxhead (talk) 16:50, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I see that an editor (User:Rkitko) has now removed all the material you added, which I was afraid might happen. I think that it is worth saying something about the cultivation. I'm happy to help putting something back, if you can tell me the source you used. Peter coxhead (talk) 21:34, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello. Yes, I am quite new to Wikipedia, unfortunately. I imagine it will take some time to get used to it. I'm not even sure if I am doing this whole "talk" thing right, since I am merely following the how-to video. Unfortunately, I do not know how to add sources. The information that I had posted in the D. Rotundifolia article, I had acquired from experience. Is it possible to source that? :)
 * --MarioMarkov11 (talk) 15:37, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, no. In Wikipedia it's not allowed to add information based on your own experience. This is called "original research" (see WP:OR).  As it says at WP:Verifiability, the content of Wikipedia "is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it." Of course, your experience can help you choose what to include in Wikipedia, but you have to do this by finding a reliable source (in this case perhaps a book on the cultivation of carnivorous plants) and then paraphrasing what it says.
 * However, I think User:Rkitko was a bit quick to completely remove your addition. The section Nepenthes: Cultivation does not (at least as of just now) have any references, and it's been in the article for a long time.
 * Given that you obviously grow carnivorous plants, do you have any books on them which describe how to grow D. rotundifolia? Also web sites like this one can be used as sources. You have to be careful with web pages; blogs and sites which are mainly concerned with advertising aren't reliable sources, but organizations like the International Carnivorous Plant Society should be ok.
 * I'll add a bit of information from this source later today to show how it can be done. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:23, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I see. I believe if I look around, I might fetch something about temperate Droseras overall. Could you direct me to a list of all the rules which I can consult when needed? Thanks for taking your time to help me. --MarioMarkov11 (talk) 16:32, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The "Simplified Ruleset" link in the welcome above is a good start. The reality, I think, is that you learn about editing Wikipedia by doing it, rather than by reading rules.
 * Anyway, I've now started Drosera rotundifolia again, with a source I think is ok. I see that the web page I've used has links to PDF documents which include journal articles. Any of these should be ok as additional sources.
 * Don't worry too much about using the "cite templates" at first (you can read about them at Citation templates, although I found this confusing at first). Just describe the source in some sensible way, and add this description, enclosed in after the sentence or paragraph which it supports. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:47, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * By the way, I've never grown this species, but it does grow in a National Nature Reserve very near to where I live for which I maintain online checklists of species. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:53, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I see. Well, I reckon that in time I will get better at this.
 * That's very interesting, although, can anybody else read this "talk" page? I don't think it's a good idea to share specific locations of carnivorous plants in the wild, even here. You never know where poachers lurk. I once made that mistake and the place was soon destroyed by gypsies simply because a glimpse of wild berries was caught within the pictures of the plants. Right now it is nothing but old peat.
 * That reminded me, I edited a page of a National Nature Reserve, also very near to where I live. Could you take a look and tell me if it has any flaws? Nearly all of the text in the "Ecology" tab is mine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torfeno_Branishte --MarioMarkov11 (talk) 18:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)