User talk:Mark-mitchell-aldershot

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Hello
Thank you for adding to List of entomologists. This and the related List of botanists by author abbreviation tend to be missing a number of names, so all help is greatly appreciated!

« D. Trebbien ( talk ) 22:47, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Taxobox rank entries
Hi there, I noticed your numerous additions of intermediate ranks to the taxoboxes. The additions are perfectly fine, but it would appear that most are not informative. It helps to know the infraorder when you are looking for instance at the level of orders and classes but not when dealing with genera or species. Although there are a large number of entries in the taxobox template, they are not all required to be filled. Shyamal (talk) 14:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I will further point out that in many of the articles in question, those ranks were specifically and intentionally REMOVED by other editors (myself included), and you are now unilaterally - and without discussion - reversing all of those edits. You can save yourself - and future editors (who will, I can guarantee, come along and remove those ranks again) -time and effort by letting incomplete taxoboxes stay as they are and focusing on things that are legitimately needed in these articles. Your point on Shyamal's talk page about ranks between order and species is more in keeping with this (that is, that would be more useful and informative), but I notice that nearly none of your recent changes has been below ordinal level. Dyanega (talk) 20:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * If I may add to this - I tend to add "superfluous" ranks too (there are no superfluous ranks, or arguably ranks more important than others). But if someone objects, they can simply be outcommented using which works fine in taxoboxes. The additional ranks are helpful when writing about the evoutionary relationships of taxa; checking out related groups otherwise becomes a highly distracting click-fest. Personally I don't mind if the information is not displayed, but I think it should not be deleted. For Coleoptera, Diptera, Hymenoptera etc it is highly helpful in any case. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 17:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You have been warned already. Putting so many "superfluous" ranks is disruptive. Please stop. Dysmorodrepanis' suggestion of " " would work fine, but your're not using it. Pro bug catcher (talk • contribs). 01:39, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Empidioid flies
Actually I just did this so I could do this ;-), namely to get at least a redlink for the 3 genera I have some info about, so I could annotate that (see article source). You might want to check out with the Entomology Project folks instead; I don't think that I have another source around at present so my work there seems done for the time being. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 17:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Hybomitra
Hi there, Mark :)

Thanks a lot for the explanation, I had no idea the absence of brackets had any real meaning. I seldom come across lists in which all entries aren't formatted in a standard, so I thought that was the case. Thanks for taking the time to undo my edits. However, I am not sure why afterwards you restored the links to Zoltán Szilády, but not the other ones I added, or for that matter the other edits I did to the page, namely:


 * Uncommented the subphylum field
 * Added commas to all "name, date" pairs, for standardization
 * Changed the alphabetical order in H. caucasi and H. caucasica

As well as any other details that might have escaped in this quick analysis I did. Perhaps it would be easier to you to undo your reversion, and then, comparing my revision with the previous one, simply removing the brackets when necessary, since I believe all the other changes I did to the article were improvements (unless you tell me otherwise). I can even do that my self to spare you the hassle, since I was the one originating it anyways :)

Cheers, Waldir talk 09:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks for restoring the edits :) I have added a comma that I think you left out unnoticed, right after H. tarandina :) Cheers, Waldir talk 18:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

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Diptera
I notice you recently wrote on my talk page and then deleted it. Was there something you wanted to discuss, or did you change your mind? Please don't simply revert my changes without discussing them; they were all made for good reasons, which I would be happy to explain. --Stemonitis (talk) 19:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I was hoping you would discuss the problem. Since that appears not to be the case, I'll give you the answer that I had prepared before you deleted your last message. Hopefully, it will save you some wasted effort:
 * I'm sorry, but I can't see any reason why this "level of detail" should be necessary. It adds nothing to an article to have every minor rank listed. These should, by common consent at WP:TOL and its daughter projects, only be included where they are genuinely informative about the subject of the article, which means only where the subject of the article is at a similar rank (see WP:TX). A genus may reasonably have information about what subfamily it falls in, but (zoological) sections have no place in a species article, for instance. Species belong to a genus, and the article on that genus can fill in any details about suprageneric placement. The taxobox is meant to be a summary of the general placement of a taxon, and any expansion from the major ranks (kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, species) needs to be carefully justified. In all these flies, that justification is entirely lacking.
 * As to the categories, please read WP:CAT. Where an article is placed in a subcategory, it need no longer be placed in the parent category. Otherwise, high-level categories like Category:Arthropods would be so huge as to be useless. All the fly articles are still in Category:Flies or one of its subcategories. This is how categorisation has always worked, and the only way it could possibly work. --Stemonitis (talk) 19:18, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Please see my reply to your last message on my talk page. --Stemonitis (talk) 19:53, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to add that this has been mentioned in the past but perhaps the rationale for not including every rank can be unclear for those who are not aware of taxonomic literature and the state-of-art. It may perhaps appear like having the village, county, district, state and country for every village in the world, but where it radically differs is that taxonomy especially higher level is periodically updated/changed and although the order is going to stay, the ranks between that and the species are in flux. The number of families is small enough and these can be updated for changes in superfamily, suborder or for contained ranks but trying to update 1000s of species boxes for a change in the higher level is downright meaningless. This should be a senseless bot work once the taxonomy is resolved but afaik things have not changed radically since this. So essentially species level articles need merely the order, family and at best subfamily or tribe while family or order level articles can have other ranks (the ones that are likely to be in flux). This would make sense in terms of long term maintainability. Shyamal (talk) 09:44, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Mark, I thought we had come to an understanding. It must be clear to you now that the community as a whole does not want all the minor ranks in taxoboxes, even of flies and beetles. Myself and Shyamal have said so here explicitly, and jimfbleak has said so at your other account, User talk:62.56.108.94. In the past (above), Dyanega and Pro bug catcher have said so, too. No-one has agreed with your point of view; it contravenes Wikipedia policy and the will of the wider community. Please stop adding in the extra ranks immediately. I would also appreciate it if you could help me in removing them from the articles where you have added them. --Stemonitis (talk) 06:37, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This is edging on a needless edit war, more constructive to discuss it on WT:ARTH. Shyamal (talk) 10:58, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

What the heck? I went to the taxobox of Bactrocera tryoni to find out if it was the same family as Drosophila melanogaster and left after completely forgetting what information I was seeking. A taxobox is something someone can read with a quick glance to gather information, it's not a laundry list of a thousand hierarchial ranks, and it's not an article in and of itself--it's designed to be usable. If it is 20 ranks long, it's not usable. This is not usable. --KP Botany (talk) 10:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Warning
Please discuss your changes to species taxoboxes on the article talk page first. In addition, if you decide that you want to change the current community consensus about the amount of information available in taxoboxes, please discuss this with the community first at Wikipedia talk:Taxobox usage. At this link you can propose your changes, get feedback from the community, and support should the community consensus be in favor of your editing style. Until then, stop adding so much information to taxoboxes, as their current design is a quick guide, and your editing style defeats that intention.

Also, this warning should serve as notice to stop with the changes until community consensus is reached or I will ask that you be blocked from editing until you have obtained community consensus for your changes. --KP Botany (talk) 10:09, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

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