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Speedy deletion of Saturnalia (Play by Mail game)
A tag has been placed on Saturnalia (Play by Mail game) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. — Cactus Writer |   needles  13:58, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Saturnalia -  Play By Mail Game / PBM
Saturnalia is a Fantasy Role-Playing Play By Mail Game where you control the actions of a character in a swords and sorcery environment. It is commercial in that a nominal fee is charged to keep the Games Masters fed and this is one reason why it has endured for over a quarter of a century where so many other similar endeavours have gone by the board. Saturnalia began way back in or around 1984 with two enterprising if slothful individuals named Neil Packer and Simon Letts.

From this inauspicious start the game took off fuelled by a heady mix of Southampton University students and beer. The game has run continuously since then with a few players having played since that first day and many others having run characters for over twenty years.

At its height Saturnalia contained over a thousand player characters and five full-time GM's ran it from offices above a garage in the red-light district of Southampton.

Saturnalia was quite possibly the largest hand-moderated PBM ever run. It now exists in the hands of a single GM who maintains the Exile region.

Mark32 2000 (talk) 09:01, 24 November 2008 (UTC)This page might technically count as a stub - but it's a place-holder so the original (which did not count as a stub) can be reinstated. The reasons given for the original deletion were idiotic. No copyright exists. If copyright did exist it was not infringed. The game is quite possibly the most notable hand-moderated PBMs of all times.

Speedy deletion of Saturnalia PBM
A tag has been placed on Saturnalia PBM, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

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November 2008
A tag has been placed on requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia, because it appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion discussion. If you can indicate how it is different from the previously posted material, place the template hangon underneath the other template on the article and put a note on the page's discussion page saying why this article should stay. Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. If you believe the original discussion was unjustified, please use deletion review instead of continuing to recreate the page. Thank you. Omarcheeseboro (talk) 22:48, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll stop recreating the page when somebody actually takes the time to read my comments and address them, rather than just acting.

Somebody clearly has a bee in their bonnet over this one and has taken it as a personal quest to shut down any attempt.

The reasons given are patently wrong and patently stupid.

The material is NOT COPYRIGHT. If the game Saturnalia had been copyrighted (which it has not) then nothing written in any version of the articles about it would have infringed that copyright in any case. So having somebody just type 'blatant abuse of copyright' and then terminate the page is pretty much bound to elicit a robust response and a low opinion.

The game is not 'insufficiently notable' it's probably the largest handmoderated RPG to ever have existed.

If you want me to stop creating the page - please address these issues.

AFD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Saturnalia_(Play_by_Mail_game)

Article Issues
I see where you have been having some issues with your article. May I make a few suggestions? You may want to work on the article in a sandbox, where you can work on improving it without fear of deletion. Also, the best way to ensure an article is kept is by listing reliable sources. If you have any questions, please let me know, either here or on my talk page. Cheers!  TN ‑  X   - Man  16:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Speedy notice
Please do not remove speedy deletion notices from pages you have created yourself. Please use the template on the page instead if you disagree with the deletion. Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 16:54, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Why is the best way to combat deletion to quote 'reliable' sources when the people who delete the page can apparently pull any shit they want right out of the backsides? Will somebody _please_ answer me? The last deletion notice said 'blatant copyright infringement'. How did the person posting that come by that? Where are their reliable sources? I know they don't have any since it's not true in any shape or form.. but can I get the point discussed? No. I get heaps of self-satisfied beurocratic crap.


 * Have a look at Reliable Sources. PhilKnight (talk) 14:02, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review
Have a look at deletion review. PhilKnight (talk) 14:01, 28 November 2008 (UTC)