User talk:Mark Ironie/Archive 6

Can someone please userfy NTEC, Inc. for me?
I would like to fix it and republish it since it was deleted. Oodleday (talk) 21:36, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Come hang out with us!
Hi! I just wanted to let you know that we have created an IRC channel for "countering systemic bias one new editor at a time", aka closing the gender gap! Come hang out at #wikimedia-gendergap. I hope you'll join us! (And if you need any IRC help, just let me know!) See you there! SarahStierch (talk) 01:15, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Hindu Religious Discourses for deletion
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File:Pigman1.jpg listed for deletion
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File:Pigman2.png listed for deletion
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Merge discussion for Miss America protest
An article that you have been involved in editing, Miss America protest, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. — btphelps (talk) (contribs) 17:58, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview
Dear Pigman,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:
 * Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
 * Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
 * All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
 * All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
 * The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 07:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Young June Sah --Yjune.sah (talk) 03:11, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Arthur Heygate Mackmurdo article
Hi there, I saw that you were a Professor a College of Arts Communication and Sciences.

I'm a graphic design student from De Montfort University, Leicester, England. I was using the article linked below for a project and have revisited it to find it was removed due to potential copyright issues.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Heygate_Mackmurdo

Is there any chance you could send me a copy of the suspended article?

My email address is: lawrence.stigner@live.co.uk

Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated.

Your Sincerely,

Lawrence Stigner

SilverStream89 (talk) 01:31, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Anchorsong
Hello,

I see that on 22 April 2008 you deleted the page for the electronic musician Anchorsong

"05:34, 22 April 2008 Pigman (talk | contribs) deleted page Anchorsong (A7 (group): Group/band/club/company/etc; doesn't indicate importance/significance)"

I am writing to inform you that I am re-creating the wikipedia page. I will include verified references (web interviews, youtube videos, album reviews) in order to bolster the artist's credibility.

Many thanks

Anchorsong (talk) 12:10, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)
Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page. In this issue: Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->
 * Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
 * Research: The most recent DR data
 * Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
 * Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
 * DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
 * Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
 * Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 19:22, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Banting and Best Centre for Innovation and Entrepreneurship
Hi Pigman, I recently pushed a new article which was promptly nominated for speedy deletion. I've only been with Wikipedia for a year or so now so am still learning the ropes. I'm wondering if you could lend a hand in cleaning up the article?

The article was titled: Banting and Best Centre for Innovation and Entrepreneurship.

Let me know if you need more info from me.

Thanks, Max Editormax3 (talk) 17:13, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Theresa Spence's hunger strike
I meant to leave you a note, but got sidetracked and never got back it.

Good to see Theresa Spence is being worked on. I'd seen some of the news on her.

At this point, I don't believe her strike meets the inclusion criteria for the article. She's getting a great deal of attention as recent news, but it's too early to see if it will have any long-term notability. Most importantly, there's been no results from the strike beyond the publicity. This is the key criteria that we've been using at Hunger strike to prevent it from becoming a listing of all hunger strikes, instead of an article about hunger strikes that highlights a few extremely notable ones.

Take a look at the talk page discussions and article history. The criteria is working, but not without occasional confusion. There's support for creating a separate list of notable hunger strikes, but I don't think anyone has tried starting it. It'll likely be a very long list, but it should be manageable if constrained to strikes already mentioned in other articles. --Ronz (talk) 18:04, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I've moved this discussion to the talk page of Hunger Strike. Cheers, Pigman ☿/talk 19:13, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

We seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot with this dispute. Sorry that my brief response upset you. I hope we can all focus on the stand-alone-list and be done with it. If you're interested in the article as a whole, it would be great to have someone with your editing experience helping with it. --Ronz (talk) 23:54, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Ronz, I think it is more constructive to keep the discussion on the talk page of Hunger strike rather than fragment it on various User talk pages. Cheers, Pigman ☿/talk 00:21, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I rather direct asides and more personal comments/requests to specific editors.
 * Do you have much experience working on controversial topics? While Hunger strike isn't, many of the individual strikes that people want to list are. I don't expect much controversy from Idle No More-related topics, we've already an ip pointing out some . I don't expect it to escalate much, but it does demonstrate exactly why there's a strict inclusion criteria in place. --Ronz (talk) 19:00, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Then briefly: Yes, I've worked on some controversial subjects. Perhaps not abortion or Palestine but others. As to the IP complaint you reference, I've found the best response is to source the article thoroughly with citations from reliable and verifiable sources. Then make sure the article text accurately reflects the citations. This is a basic 3 Pillars stuff. I see some of the examples of modern hunger strikes lack adequate citations. That means they should be better referenced or cut back to verifiable content or cut from the article. There you go, my editorial perspective in a nutshell. Cheers, Pigman ☿/talk 19:32, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that focusing on these fundamental problems will be a good next step. Hopefully the controversy with the new ip's will blow over quickly, so we can get back to it. Thanks for your help and suggestions! --Ronz (talk) 17:10, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Hunger Strike - effect on body
Hi. Read a news article today about the effect of a hunger strike on the body: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/01/03/f-hunger-strike-human-body.html

it has got some discussion of theresa spence as well as a tiny bit about Bobby Sands and Nasrin Sotoudeh. But most of the information is generic. I recalled the hunger strike article was somewhat light on this information and that you had said you were working on cleaning up that page. Perhaps it is useful to you for that reason. If not then ignore at will :) Jemmaca (talk) 11:15, 6 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Jemmaca. I'll take a look at it and see if it's usable. It might take me a little while. I'm busy elsewhere at the moment. Cheers, Pigman ☿/talk 01:06, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Notice of Theresa Spence ANI Discussion
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding the recent Theresa Spence-related disputes. Thank you. RedSoxFan2434 (talk) 03:22, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

hi
hi Pigman, I was just wondering if you were an administrator or not? please reply on my talkpage. Hyper obese guy (talk) 04:20, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Speed (seminal drum 'n' bass club in London)
Hi - it is a real pity that the entry for the club 'Speed' has been deleted. Perhaps it could be reinstated as a type of ethnographic project-in-progress?

Due to the underground cultural status of this club, it may be hard to find 'official' material about this crucial cultural institution in the development of the music genre drum'n'bass.

Similarly, we need a page on Rage (seminal club in London, associated with the music genre Jungle).

In case you need references, see: Nozem (talk) 14:35, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Brian Belle-Fortune's book 'All Crews: Journeys through Jungle / Drum & Bass Culture'(Vision)
 * Martin James' book 'State of Bass. Jungle: The Story so Far' (Boxtree)
 * Chris Christodoulou's work on jungle / drum 'n' bass at 

Wikipedian in Residence at the National Library of Scotland
I'm just dropping you a quick note about a new Wikipedian in Residence job that's opened up at the National Library of Scotland. There're more details at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scotland. Richard Symonds (WMUK) (talk) 15:16, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Nevill Drury
It seems no one informed you that an article you weighed in on before, Nevill Drury, has been nominated for deletion. Actually, and strangely, the Talk page has been nominated for deletion. Here is a link to the Miscellany for Deletion page:. Much of the discussion is on the talk page of the article due to the confusion.

Ibid
Hi, you put a Template:Ibid tag on Gun politics in the United States in the Notes section, which has 9 items enumerated a thru i.
 * (m clean up, added Ibid tag using AWB)

I couldn't find Ibid or Op. cit. anywhere on the page, and the only place Idem appeared was within the words ep idem iology and ep idem ic. Where exactly is the problem? --172.162.120.171 (talk) 02:27, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what happened with putting the Ibid template in. Coincidentally, I ended up going over the article again with AutoWikiBrowser (AWB) a few hours later and it took the template out. AWB doesn't often make mistakes (or I've rarely caught it making mistakes like this) but this looks like one. No idea what set it off but it looks fine now. Cheers, Pigman ☿/talk 05:28, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, it moved the Ibid tag from Notes to References. I finally found the problem. The Ibid did not show up in the displayed text because it was part of a duplicate named reference.
 * I didn't find it until I clicked [edit] and checked the inner code. AWB should have caught the duplicate reference thingy. Anyway, problem solved. Thank you. --172.162.120.171 (talk) 17:43, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I didn't find it until I clicked [edit] and checked the inner code. AWB should have caught the duplicate reference thingy. Anyway, problem solved. Thank you. --172.162.120.171 (talk) 17:43, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Glad you found it. I went over the article when you brought it to my attention and couldn't find the "ibid" either. Then again, I didn't notice that AWB had only moved the template between edits so my attention to detail is apparently not too good at the moment. Cheers, Pigman ☿/talk 17:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2014
Hi Pigman. In case you are not aware, there is an upcoming campaign to improve coverage of LGBT-related topics on Wikipedia, culminating with an international edit-a-thon on June 21. See Wiki Loves Pride 2014 for more information. If you are interested, you might consider creating a page for a major city (or cities!) near you, with a list of LGBT-related articles that need to be created or improved. This would be a tremendous help to Wikipedia and coverage of LGBT culture and history. Thanks for your consideration, and please let me know if you have any questions! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:10, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Correction to Juneteenth "external link"
The correct link to "National Juneteenth" is www.nationaljuneteenth.com

National Juneteenth Holiday Chairman Rev. Ronald Myers 166.137.119.44 (talk) 22:36, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

== 43 states now officially recognize Juneteenth as a state holiday or state holiday observance ==

Maryland is now the 43rd state to officially recognize Juneteenth. Reference: HB 549 (link to state of Maryland legislative site for HB 549 can easily be found at: www.nationaljuneteenth.com/Maryland.html)

National Juneteenth Chairman Rev. Ronald Myers 166.137.119.44 (talk) 22:36, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

== Reference to opposition to Texas Juneteenth state legislation offensive ==

Please remove the negative reference to "legislative unsuccessful" comments concerning the passage of Juneteenth legislation by Rep. Cay Smothers of Dallas County. In other words, Rep. Clay's position concerning Juneteenth was not supported by the Texas legislature. PLEASE REMOVE! Thank you.

National Juneteenth Holiday Chairman Rev. Ronald Myers 166.137.119.44 (talk) 22:36, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment
Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

RFC at Wikipedia for page protection
Last call for opinions on RFC at Wikipedia page for page protection extension. Cheers. LawrencePrincipe (talk) 14:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Strange edit
As a matter of interest, what was the purpose of this edit? I can't see any difference that it makes. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:42, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You are right. That is a strange and inconsequential edit. I am using AutoWikiBrowser, a program which loads articles and finds a variety of common problems, from spelling to formatting to consolidation of tags. It also arranges many elements of articles to conform to WP's Manual of Style. Sometimes, as in this case, the corrections are quite minor, moving things which make little difference in either content or layout of the article. I've generally found that even the minor corrections suggested by AWB provide standardization across articles and I think that is a good thing. Often, though, the corrections suggested by AWB are substantial and catch problems that it would take a proofreader a long time to catch. I check the corrections before approving AWB's changes and I would estimate it has a 99% plus accuracy rate. It misses on peculiar formatting on tables and pictures, or English spelling corrections on non-English quotations but I've found it a quite useful tool. Hope this explains the edit, as minor and strange as it might appear. Cheers, Pigman ☿/talk 15:33, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. I have never used AutoWikiBrowser, but I do have a general idea what it is supposed to be for. My impression is that very often it does things which are really too trivial to bother about, but perhaps there is just about some reason behind them, but this time I really really couldn't imagine why anyone would think there was any point at all. However, I thought there just might be some reason I didn't know about, perhaps to do with some obscure bit of the Manual of Style or something, and I asked just out of curiosity. Thanks for your answer, anyway. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:26, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Sometimes all AWB does is take out a couple of extraneous spaces, really trivial stuff. I usually just shrug and approve the edit anyway. As the edit summaries say, "clean up" and minor edit. I often load over a thousand articles into AWB at a time and let it churn through them while doing other things, switching to AWB to approve articles and save them. I wouldn't consider this "real" editing by any reasonable standard, just proofreading and housekeeping, but I like seeing bits of so many different articles in the course of doing it. Amusing and educational and improving the 'pedia so I consider it a win all around. Except for those rare instances where AWB makes a mistake and I don't catch it. That's not good but it doesn't happen very often. Cheers, Pigman ☿/talk 21:42, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * While I appreciate a certain amount of gnoming, I suggest you be more careful with inconsequential edits (rule #4 at WP:AWB) as seen at Heinrich Marschner. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:45, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure inconsequential edits were an issue when I first started using AWB. Either I didn't see that caveat/warning or stupid people like me necessitated creating it. Obviously I need to alter my usage pattern with AWB. Thank you very much for bringing this to my attention. Oh, I've been such a fool! A fool, I say. Cheers, Pigman ☿/talk 14:54, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Although, looking at the you reference, Michael Bednarek, an argument could be made that the edit improves the ability of the neophyte editor to understand the template used when editing the article. WP is full of difficult-to-understand abbreviations and cryptic templates that are barriers to participation. Yes, the displayed page is unchanged but the ability to edit is improved. I don't think that's insignificant or inconsequential, despite possibly being annoying to more experienced editors or watchers of specific articles. I'm not retracting my intention to be more careful with AWB but in that specific instance I would probably still approve the edit. When I was thinking of inconsequential edits, I'm pretty sure I've sometimes let AWB do things like remove trailing spaces from 2-3 paragraphs and nothing else. I consider that trivial despite the fact that the changes will, in certain instances, alter the display of the article. In any event, I'm still changing some of the settings on AWB and paying closer attention to the suggested edits. Cheers, Pigman ☿/talk  16:21, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I wasn't going to say any more about this, but in view of Michael Bednarek's comment and Pigman's responses, I will say that in my opinion, while occasionally trivial edits may have small advantages, far more often they have disadvantages, such as making the editing history more complex. Time and again, when I have been investigating something such as a sockpuppet accusation, or trying to find the history of an alleged copyright infringement which I think may in fact have originated years ago is a Wikipedia article, searching through editing histories to find the relevant facts has been made considerably more difficult and time-consuming because the relevant details are lost in a sea of irrelevant edits. I am therefore generally against trivial edits that make no evident contribution. However, I totally agree that acronyms which are likely to be obscure to new editors are unhelpful, and I do think "citation needed" is much more useful than "cn". It's a question of where to draw the line. Personally, I would draw the line on the side of leaving "cn" alone, but I am not going to criticise any other editor who makes a different judgement on that. However, I still see things such as the edit I linked at the beginning of this section as totally pointless, and I do think that making hundreds of such totally pointless edits will never do any good, and maybe a few of those hundreds of edits may actually do a small amount of harm, so it is better not to make them. You say "even the minor corrections suggested by AWB provide standardization across articles and I think that is a good thing", but in my view whether standardisation is a good thing or not depends on what is being standardised, in what way it is being standardised, and in what context. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 09:51, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I take your points as completely valid. Having done my share of sock investigations, I know how annoying and frustrating it is to have those minor edits by other people in the page history obscuring analysis of the information. Yet those small edits are something built into the structure of WP from the beginning. "The encyclopedia anyone can edit" might not be such a prominent slogan these days but it's still there. Is the person who sees a single spelling error and corrects it somehow degrading the encyclopedia because it is a barely significant edit? My background in proofreading, hardcopy typesetting, and web coding leads me to believe there is importance in the structure, the order of instructions. WP has a Manual of Style (MoS) but, probably like most people, I rarely consult it unless I have a specific issue I need to resolve. I don't study it or know it by heart. Again, probably like most people, I learned the structure and construction of articles by looking at the examples of real articles in front of me. So my intent was to try to apply MoS consistency through AWB. While I am more iconoclastic in my life, when it comes to formal prose products (and an encyclopedia is about as formal as they come), I believe in consistency and adhering to structure. For the moment, I'm unable to do more in-depth article editing such as rewriting or focused work on citations. AWB article scanning seemed a convenient, low stress way to contribute to WP, providing significant (if mostly incremental) improvements to articles. Obviously that is not the case. When three different editors inquire about the point of what I'm doing, I'm sensing it might be a good time to stop using AWB and re-evaluate my goals. Cheers, Pigman ☿/talk 17:45, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Frederick the Great
Not sure I understand your need to edit the citations on the Frederick the Great article, when it was already cited in the general Chicago-Turabian footnote style preferred by historians in the U.S. and Britain. If you are trying to save space, sure, I get that (although I do not agree with it since the article is not too long}. Assuredly there are more heinous things out there to be edited, especially for a professed linguistic etymologist. --Obenritter (talk) 21:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Usually if there are multiple instances of the same exact footnote/citation, the preferred WP method is to give the reference a name which can be used in later cites in the article. This WP convention may have started when space was a concern? I know of articles where a specific cite is used many times throughout the article and familiarity with the source citations can make it much easier to replicate the ref name rather than cutting and pasting the full form from elsewhere in the article. It's also a way of consolidating the citations as well without undue repetition, resulting in a neater reference section. Besides, I'm using AutoWikiBrowser which does these housekeeping chores without much effort on my part. If it annoys you, feel free to revert the edit. This is casual editing for me, not serious article overhaul editing. And, for the record, I am not a linguistic etymologist by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just interested in etymology and language. It's a hobby. Cheers, Pigman ☿/talk 22:46, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * No worries. I am not bent out of shape about this by any means; instead, I merely wanted some clarification. Your efforts are appreciated. As a historian by education and a linguist in certain components of my work, I appreciate those similarly aligned. Thanks for taking the time to explain your rationale. --Obenritter (talk) 23:27, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Clan Cochrane Article
I am Thomas Cochran, President of Clan Cochrane in North America and Commissioner to the Chief Clan Cochrane. While I find most of your page accurate and well written there is a glaring error. The Clan Motto is not "Virtute et Labour". It is "Virtute et Labore".Labour is an alternate spelling of the English "labor". Labore is the Latin word for "hard work", which is paired with the Latin word for "valor". The clan crest thus is incorrect also. I have seen this version around the internet and I not sure how to address that issue, but I do hope you will correct your page. Thanks. 69.170.194.133 (talk) 23:53, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I am unable to help at the moment beyond referring this to the WikiProject Clans of Scotland talk page. I've passed your concerns along to that page. I'm sure someone will correct the crest issue soon. Cheers, Pigman ☿/talk 00:37, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Historicfuture12
Thanks. One interesting thing I've noticed is that if you look at his talk page posts his English is very poor. His article edits on the other hand are in pretty formal English, with punctuation, use of upper case, etc. correct. I can't prove copyvio but it's odd that he can write so well in article space while writing "show me all these scholars who believe the theories present on the page. (especially that we lived in the great lakes region) man ycherokee dont believe that. show me all these scholars expects for james mooney hes the only one." or "it says the theory was rejected because of the Iroquoian theory. as you see i said theory and if it is not such a theory then why is there more then one listed. the same people who believes in the iroquoin theory rejects the theory that we have always been in the the southeast and the same goes for the theory from john haywood that was rejected. the major thing here is to show the varies theories of origin. They are more then 1 ..and as i say again just because it says rejected does not mean all cherokee and others rejects it ,many rejected the iroquoan theory but its still valid in history". Dougweller (talk) 18:14, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, there's a world of difference between the voices. I might have been a tad harsh with my block (1 week) but as I was listing all the issues/problems, particularly the SPA aspect, it seemed an appropriate length. Do you agree? Cheers, Pigman ☿/talk 18:49, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * No, I think it's ok although on the boundary - I don't think he's going to get on well here, and I'm pretty convinced some of his edits are copyvio. Dougweller (talk) 21:02, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I think a week is actually rather kind, given how much time he's forced productive editors to waste on him. I don't forsee him changing. - Co rb ie V  ☊ 22:20, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Question about a nit picking detail of box placement
You seem to be very aware of the way the nuts and bolts tie this encyclopedia together. So if it doesn't intrude I'd like to ask a brief question. If it does intrude I'll ask it anyway, since I'm sometimes intrusive (sorry), but you can just ignore it and delete it when you clean house. I'm interested in learning how to move that dratted Persondata template at the bottom of Kenneth MacAlpin over to that big blank area to the right, or learning how to collapse it to a single nonintrusive line or both. Would you happen to know where the information about how to manipulated these boxes is hidden? Its not on Help:table nor Help:Wiki markup. Thanks, will check back here another day. Trilobitealive (talk) 20:45, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * On second look this is a Succession box, as pointed out by User:Redrose64 on the Persondata talk page. Another facet of the same problem. Trilobitealive (talk) 23:09, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Your expertise is needed!
Hi! I sort of randomly picked you as an admin who speaks Gaelic and is interested in Celtic subjects.

I was wondering if you could give some guidance about the edits of a user Claiomh Solais who pretty much unilaterally edits obscure Irish subjects. He is kind of willy nilly creating cats of questionable utility and adding things to them as well as some other edits which I am uncertain about because I don't have the breadth of knowledge about the subject. He's editing so prolifically (like an entry a minute) that I don't even know how to address it (If it is even an issue to be concerned with).

Also, I dunno why, but when I click the Leave a new message link on your talk page it throws some sort of scary error: [1e73e575] 2015-01-30 17:34:58: Fatal exception of type Scribunto_LuaInterpreterNotFoundError.

Thanks for your help! - CompliantDrone (talk) 17:41, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

IRC cloak request
Dear Pigman,

you've recently filed a request for an IRC cloak, however the IRC account you provided does not exist. You need to register an account on freenode and then re-file your application. To do so, please follow the instructions on freenode.net's nicksetup guide and then re-file your application, including sending a memo to wmfgc with. Please contact me if you need any further assistance.

Kind regards,  Snowolf How can I help? 16:51, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

AWB and need help with categorizing spirit beings
Since you run AWB, once we get some stuff sorted, maybe you could help with updates? Input on naming/moves would also be helpful: See my recent contribs and discussion here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America Thanks! - Co rb ie V  ☊☼ 15:51, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride!
 You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride!


 * What? Wiki Loves Pride, a campaign to document and photograph LGBT culture and history, including pride events
 * When? June 2015
 * How can you help?
 * 1.) Create or improve LGBT-related articles and showcase the results of your work here
 * 2.) Upload photographs or other media related to LGBT culture and history, including pride events, and add images to relevant Wikipedia articles; feel free to create a subpage with a gallery of your images (see examples from last year)
 * 3.) Contribute to an LGBT-related task force at another Wikimedia project (Wikidata, Wikimedia Commons, Wikivoyage, etc.)

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MfD nomination of User:Robert K S/Testing Recall About Strange Happenings
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AWB cleanup?
Do you still run AWB? I think I'm almost done, but if you look at my recent edits, I'm doing some cleanups on redirects. I thought the bot would get them but there's still a bunch more. Some need more than just a substitution, and need a rewrite of the surrounding sentence(s). But if you see this before I finish, you might want to take a look. Ping me if you take it on, though, so we don't edit-conflict. Thanks! - Co rb ie V  ☊☼ 22:30, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Is there anyway I can get a copy of a deleted page? I just need to print it because it was a school assignment. It was called Local food in Northampton — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkortes322 (talk • contribs) 23:43, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Another AWB request
I assume AWB could fix these a lot faster. In most cases just deleting the link entirely, as the article it now redirects to is also doomed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Pole_worship - Co rb ie V  ☊☼ 20:40, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
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Reverted your AGF edit to Garden of Allah (cabaret)
I reverted your AGF edit to Garden of Allah (cabaret). While it may look nice & organized inside the raw Wikimarkup, it caused the categories to no longer be in alphanumeric order. Peaceray (talk) 18:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Huh. Thanks for letting me know and I'll keep looking for errors like this in the results. I realize that WP:AWB sometimes screws up formatting with its suggestions so I avoid approving changes when I'm not clear on the result. This is one of those incidents where it slightly alters the cat order and I was unaware of this. Mistakes happen. Sorry for the problem. Cheers, Pigman ☿/talk 20:33, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It's complicated! For article categories, WP:CATDEF states
 * By convention, category declarations are placed at the end of the wikitext, but before any stub templates (which themselves transclude categories).
 * The order in which categories are placed on a page is not governed by any single rule (for example, it does not need to be alphabetical, although partially alphabetical ordering can sometimes be helpful). Normally the most essential, significant categories appear first.


 * I have taken the direction of making categories alphabetical as much as possible, except for lead categories, like Led Zeppelin in Led Zeppelin articles, for instance. Perhaps this is due to my librarian educaton & background. I am enormously influenced by The Magical Number Seven, Plus or Minus Two that indicates that chunking (psychology) is necessary for the brain to process lists easily. Since many articles have numbers of categories that go beyond 7+-2, I find the easiest way to to this is alphanumeric order.


 * The problem is that many templates do transclude categories. I find the simplest solution is to include them in the order that they transclude a category, although I occasionally find templates that transclude more than one category. For these, I explicitly include a category in the alphanumeric order, & this overrides the order of transclusion in the template. I could do this for all category-transcluding templates, but then if someone removed a stub template, the stub category would remain until someone noticed.


 * I do choose what displays to the reader over Wikimarkup convention. After all, we should choose the preferable end result for the multitude of readers rather than convenience for a select group of editors.


 * Peaceray (talk) 21:03, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I follow your logic and agree in principle. The problem with a semi-automatic tool like AWB is that it only follows particular rules of layout for WP, perhaps technically correct at some level but unable to handle subtlety on specifics. I'll do what I can to avoid the rearranging of end cats and boxes. Unfortunately, there's no easy way in AWB to, say, compare different versions of the article to avoid this exact issue. I'll probably just tell AWB to pass on without changes when it hits something like this. That's the best I can do. I like AWB because, in general, it does a good job of proofreading, spellchecking, and corrects many formatting errors. This is one of those situations where it falls down obviously. Good luck! Cheers, Pigman ☿/talk 00:53, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Overflow at both your admintools page
Dear User:Pigman. Your pages User:Pigman/Admin toolbox and User:Pigman/Admin toolbox2 have appeared at Category:Pages_where_template_include_size_is_exceeded. You could help us to empty this maintenance category by replacing the former templates with admin dashboard/light. This template provides the same functionality, but is far less prone to overflow. Thanks in advance. Pldx1 (talk) 12:11, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice. I've replaced the template with your suggested template on User:Pigman/Admin toolbox and deleted the pageUser:Pigman/Admin toolbox2. Cheers, Pigman ☿/talk 15:08, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2016
As a participant of WikiProject LGBT studies, you are invited to participate in the third annual Wiki Loves Pride campaign, which runs through the month of June. The purpose of the campaign is to create and improve content related to LGBT culture and history. How can you help?
 * Create or improve LGBT-related Wikipedia pages and showcase the results of your work here
 * Document local LGBT culture and history by taking pictures at pride events and uploading your images to Wikimedia Commons
 * Contribute to an LGBT-related task force at another Wikimedia project (Wikidata, Wikimedia Commons, Wikivoyage, etc.)

Looking for topics? The Tasks page, which you are welcome to update, offers some ideas and wanted articles.

This campaign is supported by the Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group, an officially recognized affiliate of the Wikimedia Foundation. The group's mission is to develop LGBT-related content across all Wikimedia projects, in all languages. Visit the affiliate's page at Meta-Wiki for more information, or follow Wikimedia LGBT+ on Facebook. Remember, Wiki Loves Pride is about creating and improving LGBT-related content at Wikimedia projects, and content should have a neutral point of view. One does not need to identify as LGBT or any other gender or sexual minority to participate. This campaign is about adding accurate, reliable information to Wikipedia, plain and simple, and all are welcome! If you have any questions, please leave a message on the campaign's talk page.

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The 10,000 Challenge
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The 10,000 Challenge
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Europe 10,000 Challenge invite
Hi. The WikiProject Europe/The 10,000 Challenge has recently started, based on the UK/Ireland The 10,000 Challenge. The idea is not to record every minor edit, but to create a momentum to motivate editors to produce good content improvements and creations and inspire people to work on more countries than they might otherwise work on. There's also the possibility of establishing smaller country or regional challenges for places like Germany, Italy, the Benelux countries, Iberian Peninsula, Romania, Slovenia etc, much like The 1000 Challenge (Nordic). For this to really work we need diversity and exciting content and editors from a broad range of countries regularly contributing. If you would like to see masses of articles being improved for Europe and your specialist country like WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon, sign up today and once the challenge starts a contest can be organized. This is a way we can target every country of Europe, and steadily vastly improve the encyclopedia. We need numbers to make this work so consider signing up as a participant and also sign under any country sub challenge on the page that you might contribute to! Thank you. --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:09, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Two-Factor Authentication now available for admins
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Please note that TOTP based two-factor authentication is now available for all administrators. In light of the recent compromised accounts, you are encouraged to add this additional layer of security to your account. It may be enabled on your preferences page in the "User profile" tab under the "Basic information" section. For basic instructions on how to enable two-factor authentication, please see the developing help page for additional information. Important: Be sure to record the two-factor authentication key and the single use keys. If you lose your two factor authentication and do not have the keys, it's possible that your account will not be recoverable. Furthermore, you are encouraged to utilize a unique password and two-factor authentication for the email account associated with your Wikimedia account. This measure will assist in safeguarding your account from malicious password resets. Comments, questions, and concerns may be directed to the thread on the administrators' noticeboard. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:33, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

A new user right for New Page Patrollers
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A new user group, New Page Reviewer, has been created in a move to greatly improve the standard of new page patrolling. The user right can be granted by any admin at PERM. It is highly recommended that admins look beyond the simple numerical threshold and satisfy themselves that the candidates have the required skills of communication and an advanced knowledge of notability and deletion. Admins are automatically included in this user right.

It is anticipated that this user right will significantly reduce the work load of admins who patrol the performance of the patrollers. However,due to the complexity of the rollout, some rights may have been accorded that may later need to be withdrawn, so some help will still be needed to some extent when discovering wrongly applied deletion tags or inappropriate pages that escape the attention of less experienced reviewers, and above all, hasty and bitey tagging for maintenance. User warnings are available here but very often a friendly custom message works best.

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Sorting socks
Things continue to develop on ANI. I imagine other accounts will emerge over the next few days, and longer. We can re-arrange all of the sockdrawer flags once it's sorted. I wouldn't bother till this settles out. Noting for now that the oldest account, so the puppeteer so far, is now:
 * first edit: 02:15, February 23, 2011. - CorbieV  ☊ ☼ 05:42, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

And yes, this one is already indeffed. - Corbie<b style="color: #006E0D">V</b>  ☊ ☼ 05:43, 3 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I hate it when there is a long run of edits with socks like these. This one is nasty with so many of the edits introducing factual errors in a multitude of articles over months and years. Ugh. I'll pick this up tomorrow. Cheers, Mark Ironie (talk) 06:14, 3 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm still looking at some suspects, but I figured I'd update the tags at this point. Chitt is now marked as the puppeteer. - <b style="color:#44018F;">Co</b><b style="color: #003878;">rb</b><b style="color: #145073;">ie</b><b style="color: #006E0D">V</b>  ☊ ☼ 00:17, 4 July 2018 (UTC)


 * So far it seems to be the oldest account. Mark Ironie (talk) 01:17, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

D/S Alert
Please note that comments like this may be seen as a violation of the civility requirement. Deletion discussions are not the place for vague speculation about editors' motives; any specific concerns regarding canvassing, COI, etc. should be raised at the appropriate venue. Thanks –dlthewave ☎ 03:26, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Sa la k'adita
Thanks for your observation on the Cherokee descent list. My conclusion is that, in a month or so, I'll have to launch a Cherokee syndrome article, since there's entire books written on the subject. Merry Christmas! Yuchitown (talk) 16:52, 25 December 2018 (UTC)Yuchitown
 * Since the list has been deleted, I think that is an excellent idea. That would be a much easier article to create and maintain than the list. Although I absolutely understand the premise and basis for the list, I do think it had flaws as a list. A one sentence definition was too little to accurately define it for WP. A Cherokee syndrome article would flesh the concept out more fully. Certainly specific notable people could be included as part of it, with appropriate citations, of course. Cheers, Mark Ironie (talk) 18:35, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Request for comment regarding Keene
To be clear, no, that source was from above in the talk page. G M G <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  23:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, that makes sense about why it was in that citation list for the quote. I can be slow some days. Cheers, Mark Ironie (talk) 00:15, 27 March 2019 (UTC)