User talk:Markeschiff

→==Registered Agent and CT (company)== Hello Markeschiff. It seems possible that you have direct knowledge of some of these companies. However, making changes without adding a reference is likely to not be understood by the other editors. In particular, you should not mark any removal of existing content as a minor edit. (See WP:MINOR). Minor edits are for stuff like spelling errors. EdJohnston 04:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Since you work for the subject company, obviously you will have more knowledge of the BizFilings transaction, however I am perplexed by your use of Delaware registrations as a barometer for the entire US when the article specifically refers to "national registered agents." I know there are other states that do more registrations annually than Delaware - so why not use those states as the barometer? I've also seen states where Incorp does more filings than CSC and some where NRAI does more than Incorp. It is difficult to gauge with NRAI since they seem about neck and neck with Incorp overall.Dougieb 19:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Dougieb - There were over 140,000 incorporations in Delaware last year. There were less than 80,000 in NY.  California, too, had less than 100K.  Additionally, Delaware is a good barometer because most who create corporations/LLCs in that state must use a professional provider of registered agent services - because they don't actually live there or have a physical office in Delaware.  I would love for you to provide evidence of a single state where Incorp has done more filings than CSC (or for that matter evidence that Incorp is "neck and neck" with NRAI.
 * I believe that 140,000 is less filings than Florida. Maybe call the FL SOS. There have been a lot of articles of late where Delaware seems to be falling out of favor for many although I'm not sure why. As for states with more filings for NRAI or Incorp, NRAI in Arizona and California, or Incorp in Texas, Nevada, California, Tennessee, etc. Incorp dominates in some of these states even larger than CSC. NRAI also is huge in California although some states are difficult to assess since they both also operate either under different names of their affiliates or companies they've acquired. CSC also seems to have additional names that it operates under from acquisitions. All in all, it looks like an east coast/west coast thingDougieb 22:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * A thought. Is this conversation about who does more filings? or who does the most incorporations? or who represents the most active companies as agent? I am confused. If this is about number of incorporations, I am not positive, but if it is about the number of companies represented as agent, I don't know between incorp and NRA, but NRA came to our office recently and the rep said that NRA represents somewhere between 150,000 and 175,000 "units" The incorp marketing brochure says that they have "more than 25,000" active clients" Assuming conservatively that (on average) each incorp client had representation in five states (and I'm sure some probably have all 50 states and many have just 1), that would be 125,000. So, if NRA is #3 with "between 150,000 and 175,000", wouldn't that make incorp #4 behind NRA? - not number three. I just really think that NRA is a lot bigger than incorp. Incorp would have to be #4. ~ LoyolaGirl ~ (is there an easy way to put the time after my name on a comment? or does Wikipedia do it automatically?)
 * LoyolaGirl - I agree that NRAI is a lot bigger than incorp. I'm not certain of Incorp's size but I don't think it's necessarily accurate to assume that each active customer is represented in 5 states.  Incorp is an aggressive player in the online incorporation business and I can tell you that most of that business represents single "unit" accounts.  While I'm sure that Incorp represents quite a few companies in multiple jurisdictions, I feel fairly certain that most of their business is the single unit variety.  Also, my fundamental issue is the positioning of Incorp as a "Big Four" registered agent.  CT has over 1,000,000 units of active representation and I'm certain CSC is in that ball park.  To categorize a company that, at best, is 1/10 the size of CT as part of the "Big Four" seems misleading to me. I've sat through many presentations on Registered Agent market share and Incorp has always been bundled in with the "other" piece of the market share pie.  Thanks.
 * Loyolagirl - put four tilde "~" characters after your edit and that will put your name and the time of your edit. Your logic is not perfect, but it is fairly reasonable and that would be close to the #'s I've seen. Also, I'm assuming that by NRA, you're referring to NRAI. If so, I agree that NRAI is probably has around 2x the #'s of Incorp - give or take - I have NRAI at approx. 175,000 units total, so much for my characterization of "neck and neck" (LOL). CSC on average is about 2/3 the size of CT, so I would guess averaging across all states that CSC is probably around 700,000 units. NRAI is gaining on CSC and CT though and has pulled off some major accounts from them. I think NRAI is the company to watch for the time being. I don't know how aggressive Incorp is in the "online incorporation" business, but, if Incorp is so aggressive in the online incorporation market, why didn't you list them with the other "major online incorporation providers" you listed in that one edit when you had LegalZoom on there. (LOL) I actually had a friend at LZ and if their "online incorporation" numbers qualify them is a "major" player, then I don't see how the online incorporation industry supports itself (LOL).Dougieb 08:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes - the online incorporation market is a fraction of the total incorporation market and the numbers associated with the "major" players pales in comparison to the number of incorporation and foreign qualifications (registration in states outside the state of incorporation) done by CT and CSC. I often wonder as well has the industry supports itself, particularly when many of the providers aren't pursuing the registered agent business.--Markeschiff 19:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)