User talk:Markharan

British Isles
"This article is about the geographic archipelago" and is not about ethic groups, this has been debated many times in the talk. Mtpaley (talk) 22:55, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

British is an ethic group not geographical or is incorrect either way Markharan (talk) 16:53, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

It is* Markharan (talk) 16:55, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Something is not a debate when you ignore your debater as I’m sure you continuously do Markharan (talk) 17:32, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I assume you mean "ethnic group". That is not relevant.  The nomenclature of the archipelago has been discussed many, many times on this site, and we have an entire article on the British Isles naming dispute.  The current wording represents a well-established consensus, but if you insist on challenging it you are free to start yet another discussion at Talk:British Isles.  Thanks. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:33, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

That page clearly states the second biggest island rejects the term. It offers multiple terms that are correct and acceptable. Your claim it’s geopolitical is incorrect and has no backing. Markharan (talk) 17:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC) Geographical* Markharan (talk) 17:41, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Islands are landmasses and can't offer an opinion and accept or reject anything. If you're referring to (Republic of) Ireland as a country rejecting it, it's not as clear cut as you make out. Considering the government of Ireland uses the term British Isles it's hard to prove otherwise. If you're wanting to change the name of the article you are going to need to provide reliable sources that show that the common name of the islands is Anglo-Celtic Isles and not British Isles as all current references are showing. Canterbury Tail talk 17:42, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Even if were true that "the second biggest island rejects the term", it's still not relevant. What matters is how reliable sources around the world refer to the archipelago.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

The Irish government doesn’t even recognise the term and both Irish and British government uses terms like “these islands” or “Britian and Ireland”. Anglo-Celtic isles is not the common term as the whole point of changing it is to make it the common term. A term can not be geographical when it comes from an ethnic group. As you continue to Deny the fact it’s political and not geographical you must have a reason? Or a reason why that term MUST be used despite multiple correct terms existing. Markharan (talk) 17:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I’d also like to add that not long ago “reliable” sources said babies could not feel pain. Just because a “reliable” source says something doesn’t make it true. If you’d like to sight a source (not wiki) explaining how it’s geographical and why it can’t be changed I'd love to read it. Markharan (talk) 17:54, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Regarding the article title, you need to have a look at WP:CRITERIA. The fact that you think that one term is correct and another is incorrect is irrelevant.  Wikipedia exists to report the world as it is reported elsewhere, not to change terminology to what you think it should be.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:56, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The Irish government does use the term relatively frequently as the geographic term that it is. The only statement the Irish government has ever made was one foreign minister speaking out against it. As you know 1 minister does not make a government policy in a three pillar government. As for making it the common term, that is not Wikipedia's job. Wikipedia only reflects what reliable sources say about a topic, we do not our own definitions of things or decide what they are. If you want Anglo-Celtic Isles to be the common name, you need to pursue a campaign outside of Wikipedia to make that the common name by getting everyone else to use it. Once everyone is using it then Wikipedia will update to reflect that. Wikipedia doesn't make these decisions, we only capture what reliable sources are stating. If something changes, then reliable sources will change. Canterbury Tail talk 17:56, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

This is one of the reasons children are told wiki isn’t reliable. They refuse to actually do something to make a change despite evidence clearly stating something is wrong. Sad Markharan (talk) 18:03, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Also it's not wrong. British Isles is the common name used to reference the isles, that's all Wikipedia is representing. In some people's opinion that name is wrong, but it's by far the most common name for those islands. We can't change that just because we disagree with it. We're not in the market for making change, it's not Wikipedia's goal. We're not an advocacy organisation, or a political one. We're not here to decide how the world should be, just represent it as it is. Canterbury Tail talk 18:46, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia should never be assumed to be reliable, by anyone. But it's a useful starting point.  That's all that is claimed for it.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:30, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Yet, probably millions of people use it as one a day. Markharan (talk) 18:33, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Of course, millions of people use it, and we try to make it as reliable as we can. But, that is only a first step.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:39, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

So after all this I think it is appropriate to restate "This article is about the geographic archipelago" and is not about ethic groups. This is not a national / political / ethnic position - it is just a geographical term and unless the generally accepted name for this group of islands changes this just is what it is and wikipedia DOES NOT GET TO CHOOSE. Mtpaley (talk) 21:53, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

It’s not accepted by the “general population” in Ireland Markharan (talk) 21:01, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Please provide a reliable source. Canterbury Tail talk 22:30, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok I’ll find one other then this article that clearly states it. Markharan (talk) 23:50, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

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October 2021
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The editor is uneducated on the topic. The page I edited clearly states the term used is rejected by a large portion of people I’ve offered a more correct term. The term is stuck in a colonial past. Markharan (talk) 17:15, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Please provide reliable sources that back up Anglo-Celtic Isles as being the common term for the islands. <b style="color: Blue;">Canterbury Tail</b> <i style="color: Blue;">talk</i> 17:23, 26 October 2021 (UTC)