User talk:Markkauffman2000

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What is Notable?
(copied from Wikipedia talk:Notability)

I've been researching different Massively Multi-Player On-Line Role Playing Games (MMORPG). The entries currently in this Wikipedia on the different MMORPGs have proven very helpful. Then, just recently I see that many entries "may not satisfy the Notability guidelines."

As I read the current guidelines, they won't allow contributions that include new ground-breaking developments (before agreed upon by many "experts"), controversial topics, or entries that may be of interest to a small population. Only those things that "experts" all agree on, and are of general interest, would be considered notable. This is of great concern to me. I want a place where I can go to find out about every different flavor of Linux, where I can learn about different political systems, and people like Thom Adcox-Hernandez, and where I can find out about every different MMORPG on the planet - even ones that aren't "notable". Maybe notable should be defined as "someone cares about this topic enough to take the time to make note of it in OUR wikipedia."

B.T.W: I never heard of Thom Adcox-Hernandez until I hit the Random article link. If he is more notable than Deliantra (a computer game) per the current guidelines (he's not marked as not meeting the guideline) that is flat-out wrong. I'm not saying that Thom is not notable. My point is that just as many of us care about, and take note of different computer games, as those who care about and take note of American voice actors.

Markkauffman2000 20:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Markkauffman2000, and welcome to Wikipedia. The base policy for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability.  All articles and content must be verifiable in order to ensure that false information doesn't creep in.  The trouble is that the definition of "verifiable" is debatable.  What one person claims as verifiable may be considered as not verifiable enough by someone else.  In order to overcome this difficulty, Wikipedia requires a very high level of verifiability in order for a subject to be notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia.  Wikipedia requires that the subject of the article "has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".  What this really means (for the sort of subjects you've mentioned) is that the subject of the article must have received substantial coverage in a respectable newspaper or well-known journal or magazine, which is independent of the creators of the game (or whatever).  This is the only way of assessing notability that Wikipedia can accept.  Note that press releases, or anything else published by the creators is not sufficient to assert notability, so it can't be used to justify the creation of the article.  However, such sources can be used to cite (prove) information that you add to an article, providing independant sources have already been used to justify the creation of the article. &mdash;gorgan_almighty 14:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

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