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Template:Infobox German location
Hi Markussep, thanks for all your help in cleaning up these templates. I'm learning gradually and feel slightly guilty that you have to keep sweeping up behind me! However, I wonder whether it would be helpful and save time if we could modify the template to cater for the parameters that it doesn't recognise. Also if it could read the coords (as some templates do) we wouldn't have to adjust those either. Thoughts? --Bermicourt (talk) 20:56, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Bor-Doba
Thanks for looking into these Kyrgyzstan place names. I started on them myself but you are obviously better equipped to assess them. So, about Bor-Doba. First, I'm pretty sure it should be just Bordoba. But second, I can't find any evidence that it is an actual village; from what I can see it's the name of the border crossing point on the M41. The GMap dot is in the middle of a river but there is a building nearby, which is plainly not a dwelling; it looks to me to be some sort of inspection building. Mangoe (talk) 19:42, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


 * According to this Soviet map there is (or was in the 1970s) a tiny village (or three houses) called Bardoba (Cyrillic: Бардоба), at 39.5074°N, 73.2688°W. Maybe the Kyrgyz name is a bit different, probably Бордөбө (Bordöbö) or Бор-Дөбө. That's also the name of the glacier to the southeast. So maybe it's not really a village, but it is a locality that has a name on the map. Notable? Maybe. Markussep Talk 20:22, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


 * GMaps shows one big building with some sheds at that spot on the map, and having sampled a bunch of travel blogs/etc. it's clear that it's a just a border post and nothing more. I did find one book reference referring to "Bor Dobo" as the location of a "checkpoint", though it doesn't say that there's no village. But it's clear that there's no village, and it's clear to me at any rate that making the article stop saying that it's a village is going to be a major battle. I assume it doesn't show up in the census listing? Mangoe (talk) 15:45, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


 * That's right, it's not listed in the census. I think it's safe to say it's a locality on the road from Sary-Tash to Tajikistan, not much more than that. Markussep Talk 20:01, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Temen-Suu
Thanks for your edits to Temen-Suu. I see that these edits include a change to the spelling of the name of the village to the incorrect "Tömön-Suu", with the only source you added offering a spelling of "Темен-Суу". These edits also included the change of the pitch accent to a stress mark (I've seen this a number of times before with Turkic transcriptions—there seems to be a concerted effort of some sort?). I've changed all of this back to previous (correct) forms. —Firespeaker (talk) 04:06, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, the source I used for the population indeed says "Темен-Суу", but note that it's a Russian language text. Russian doesn't use the "ө", so you'll find that all "ө" are replaced with "е" or also "у". That said, I'm not 100% sure that it's "Төмөн-Суу" in Kyrgyz and not "Темен-Суу". Kyrgyz wikipedia uses "Төмөн-Суу", and searching for "Төмөн-Суу" in combination with "Москва району" yields more results than "Темен-Суу". I haven't found the Kyrgyz version of the census results, the statistics website http://www.stat.kg/ seems to have problems. Since I'm not 100% sure, I'll leave the article like this. About the pronunciation, I don't think Kyrgyz has pitch accents, so maybe you need to get a reference for that. Markussep Talk 10:55, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Note that you can't predict Kyrgyz ‹ө› from a Russian ‹е›. This map uses ‹ё› for ‹ө› in several names, but just uses ‹е› in "Темен-Суу".  And see the image I uploaded with the name in Kyrgyz.  I also happen to be in Temen-Suu right now, and residents [quite adamantly] confirm that it is indeed normally called "Темен-Суу" (with /e/) in Kyrgyz.  On the other hand, some people's ID cards are issued with "Томон-Суу" and similar spellings suggestive of ‹ө› (/œ/).  Residents seem pretty sure that "Төмөн-Суу" is the original name, and it became "Темен-Суу" through Russian influence—but only documents from out-of-date or non-local sources use this name.  As far as mentioning these facts on the page, this would probably be considered original research.  It may not be mentioned reliably in this way in any sources.  Can you think of any way to incorporate any of this?  The best I can think of is a statement like the above, rephrased here: "(Төмөн-Суу in out-of-date or non-local sources, but called Темен-Суу in modern Kyrgyz and Russian sources)".  The problem, then, I guess, is citing the proper sources. —Firespeaker (talk) 11:45, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I tried again to find a Kyrgyz version of the population census, but no result. I added ", also Төмөн-Суу - Tömön-Suu", I guess that is enough for now, lacking sources. Markussep Talk 13:27, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! Markussep Talk 21:01, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Helmstedt
Helmstedt had a change in Gemeindeschlüssel. Where do we add the data for the new one? Agathoclea (talk) 07:36, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I see you are way ahead already :-) Agathoclea (talk) 07:38, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Metadata Population DE-NI, for next time :-) Markussep Talk 09:41, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Rancourt, France
I am visiting what I hope to be my family history in Rancourt, France next April 2018.

I note from the map that there are more than one Rancourt, France.

Although my parents have long ago died, I faintly remember my father speaking of the village Rancourt nearer to Belgium.

Do you have any information that could help me in my quest?

Gilles Rancourt London, Ontario, Canada. G.J. Rancourt (talk) 19:59, 15 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, there are at least 3 places called Rancourt: Rancourt, Somme in the Somme department, Rancourt, Vosges in the Vosges department and Rancourt-sur-Ornain in the Meuse department. Of these 3, the one in Vosges is furthest from Belgium, the other two are within 70-90 km from the Belgian border (but pretty far apart). I hope that helps. Markussep Talk 20:47, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * And there is a small locality Rancourt in the commune of Honnecourt-sur-Escaut in the Nord department, 45 km from the Belgian border. Markussep Talk 11:01, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Blanking categories and renaming them
Hello. It's a pretty good general rule that if you end up blanking a category like then you're doing something wrong. In particular, the best way to handle the French region renames would be to rename (and if necessary merge in) the old categories via WP:CFDS rather than creating new ones. The big advantage of that is that you don't have to do these kinds of edits manually, a bot will do them for you. No doubt there will be a bit of tweaking round the edges where boundaries have realigned, but it would save you a ton of work. Cheers. Le Deluge (talk) 20:25, 20 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks, this is a good suggestion for the larger categories. Markussep Talk 09:13, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Infobox Ortsteil einer Gemeinde in Deutschland
Hi Markussep,

Thanks for cleaning up this template for new articles on German villages. I guess the problem is that the German Wiki template has changed since it was imported into English Wiki. So I've been wondering whether we can modify it to accept the latest German version and avoid having to keep cleaning up the template every time. --Bermicourt (talk) 13:16, 19 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't think there's much we can do to avoid converting the coordinates manually. For the other fields like "Gemeindename" we could make a workaround. Markussep Talk 14:52, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

TDG - Reply
Hi there, from Portugal,

thanks for the heads-up on this problematic user(s). I have cleaned up here and there, whenever i come across their "deeds" (on a related note... WOW that's a loooooooooooooooooooong list), will of course continue to help out!

Happy week/editing --Quite A Character (talk) 17:58, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Inappropriate cleanup of List of people with craters on Mars named after them
Hello. Please note that not everything on the List of people with craters on Mars named after them article was from the Terrific Dunker Guy. I added quite a number of references to validate the data, so I would appreciate it if you would put that back. Thanks. Praemonitus (talk) 16:05, 4 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, the other reason why I merged List of people with craters on Mars named after them into List of craters on Mars, besides the notoriously unreliable contributions of Terriffic Dunker Guy, is that it is superfluous. All information that was in that list is already in the sublists of List of craters on Mars, and a lot more (diameter, coordinates, USGS Gazetteer of Planetary Names references). The references you added may be useful and could be added, if they add more info to what's already in the GPN link. Unfortunately I don't have access to the full text of most of the references you used. Markussep Talk 08:46, 5 February 2019 (UTC)


 * I see. Well I think what I'll do is merge the references into the bio articles. No point in wasting all that work. Thanks. Praemonitus (talk) 16:04, 5 February 2019 (UTC)


 * OK! Markussep Talk 11:54, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

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Valea Făgetului River (Misir)
Hi there. I'm Barkeep49 and I do new page patrol. I noticed that you had redirected Valea Făgetului River (Misir) with the summary "not notable". This was undone. In looking into it I was unable to find the river anywhere on a map. To your knowledge does this river exist? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 22:11, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism European rivers
Did you have a nice time vandalising river pages? 77.13.19.9 (talk) 02:13, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * IP - I don't think this editor has been vandalizing anything. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:18, 8 May 2019 (UTC)


 * User talk:77.13.19.9, I left a message on your talk page. Markussep Talk 08:13, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Nadeș River (Arieș) listed at Redirects for discussion
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Gardu River
How did you conclude that there is only one river so named. The Romanian wiki cites three (search there under "Râul Gardu")?

Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:43, 4 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I guess you mean this edit? Indeed Romanian wiki has three rivers Gardu, but by now I think that two of them don't even exist. And if they exist, they're very small and will never meet the notability requirements. Take ro:Râul Gardu, Gruița: this should be near the village Gogoșești, but even on a detailed map, I only see the Valea Satului, no Gardu, no Gruița. ro:Râul Gardu, Geamărtălui should be nearby, near Bușteni, also in Dolj County. I only see Pârâul Mijlociu, no Gardu. Then ro:Râul Gardu, Sebeș: I actually found a Pârâul Gardului on this map, southeast of the Tău Bistra reservoir, but it's very small. Markussep Talk 19:46, 4 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Seems a good call. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:50, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Germany part of the Spanish Empire?
Since you are on thewikiproject Germany, i wanted to ask you something. One user has created several maps which basically hint that Germany was part of the Spanish Empire because Charles V was both King of Spain and Emperor of Germany. I find it absurd and I have also found many other mistakes. See File talk:Imperio Español Completo.svg on wikicommons. Barjimoa (talk) 15:15, 11 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I see you and Nagihuin have more or less reached an agreement, and the Holy Roman Empire is out of the map. There's (at least) one error left: the Northern Netherlands gained independence from Spain in 1648 (Treaty of Münster), not 1713 (Treaty of Utrecht). Markussep Talk 21:18, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Streams
Good to see you're going through the German rivers. Badly need work. If you want me to db author any compile a list and I'll do them all in one go rather than template me individually. OK?♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:31, 17 January 2020 (UTC)


 * OK, I'll let you know when I find some more! Markussep Talk 12:33, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Naming of French railway station articles
There is a proposal at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/France_and_French-related_articles where your input would be helpful. Colonies Chris (talk) 20:09, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Name of Hauts-de-France region
Hi, I'm the guy who made a recent edit to Hauts-de-France regarding the Dutch/Flemish exonym for that region. Part of my motive for putting that name next to the official name was to acknowledge the historical presence of the Dutch language and culture in present-day northern France, partially in light of French linguistic and cultural oppression of dutch-speaking peoples, particularly during the middle ages. That said, I could also be missing something here. I also saw that the French regions bordering Germany and Italy, among other places, had exonyms for those regions in their respective languages; therefore, I thought, why not the Dutch name for that bordering region? I hope this all makes sense.

In any case, I just thought it was worth explaining my previous edits and the motives behind them.

Thank you for listening, and please let me know what input you might have in regards to this page and other related topics. Wiscipidier (talk) 03:13, 3 April 2020 (UTC)Wiscipidier


 * Hi, my problem with "Opper-Frankrijk" is that it might be an accurate literal translation of the French name, but it's not used in the real world. I'm Dutch myself, and I have never heard or seen this before, unlike other Dutch exonyms like Elzas, Lotharingen, Normandië, Parijs, Rijsel, Duinkerke. See for instance these lists from the Taalunie, the official board for the Dutch language: http://namen.taalunie.org/land/fr and http://namen.taalunie.org/nederlandse-namen-voor-plaatsen-frans-vlaanderen . The region was created just a few years ago, that may explain why it's not there. I couldn't find "Opper-Frankrijk" on the websites of the neighbouring Flemish province https://www.west-vlaanderen.be or the Flemish city https://www.kortrijk.be either (that do mention "Hauts-de-France"). The Flemish government uses "Hauts-de-France", see https://www.fdfa.be/nl/hauts-de-france. If you look for "Opper-Frankrijk" in Google you only find Wikipedia and obvious clones. We should reflect actual usage, not invent it. There are better ways to show the Flemish heritage of the region. Markussep Talk 08:11, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Carpathian mountains map
Hello, I have fixed your map but didn't want to upload it without your permission. You included a city, city of Vršac in Serbia, Voivodina as a part of the Transylvanian plateau which is a really old scientific classification. Officialy, it's the part of Serbo-Macedonian massif. I have it here: https://imgur.com/a/R0tteVX, and city of Vršac is on these coordinates 45.1201 21.3043. God bless you my man! Christ is risen! Kolikojerokoko (talk) 14:51, 19 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, I see you made a new version of File:Mapcarpat2.png. Actually, the Vršac Mountains weren't part of the Carpathians or the Transylvanian Plateau in my last version, they were added to the Romanian Western Carpathians by . I'm not an expert in geology, but apparently in some claasifications (see File:Divisions of the Carpathians.png) they're considered part of the Banat Mountains (D3 in the map). So maybe you should look for some literature to support your version. Markussep Talk 18:38, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Drainage basin
Hey there, thanks for calling me out on that. I was under the impression that there was a discussion at WikiProject Rivers that was still running its course (pun unintended) that could impact the fate of the categories, so I closed it conservatively, although I should have taken into account the suggestion for CFDS for that specific instance. I have gone ahead and placed Category:Dnieper River system to Category:Dnieper basin at WP:CFDS, since that did seem to be generally agreed upon.  bibliomaniac 1  5  17:18, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * As a general piece of advice, in the future if there's a line that is discovered to be more applicable to a speedy instead, as a nom it may be better to strike it out and list it on CFDS instead.  bibliomaniac 1  5  19:58, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, I didn't know I could do that! Markussep Talk 08:21, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

German rivers
A lot of the German rivers are poorly sourced, even by German wiki standards and don't have many sources available in a search. We have stubs on small tributaries and even the parent rivers which are tributaries of more notable rivers are still short stubs. In looking I think we'd be better off having stubs on the larger ones and redirecting the smaller tributaries and simply listing them as tributaries and at least trying to write a few sourced paragraphs. Dill (river) for example we ought to have a detailed article on that and tributaries such as Aar (Dill) summarised within it. If we keep that separate, the German wikipedia article is detailed but poorly sourced so it's difficult to transwiki it and chase up the sourcing. I don't think we should have seperate articles on tributaries of the Aar too like Monzenbach (which I redirected). The granddad river needs writing properly first! I really think a great number of the German rivers should be redirected into a tributary list/summary in the larger rivers until they can be researched properly. It's difficult to find detailed sources on a lot of them.† Encyclopædius  10:22, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't think stubbiness is a good criterion for redirecting an article, notability of the subject is more important, see WP:GEOLAND. I agree that not all rivers in Germany are notable, I cleaned up several of those myself. It's not so difficult to find sources for basic river data, also for the small ones like the Monzenbach, see for instance http://wrrl.hessen.de/mapapps/resources/apps/wrrl/index.html?lang=en, select "Gewässerthemen" in the "Themen" tab, and zoom in to Herborn. It's 4.5 km long apparently, but you already found that site, I see. If you search for "Monzenbach Aar Herborn" you'll find some more information, maybe not enough to call it notable. Actually I think that most of the rivers that have articles now are more or less notable, I already cleaned out the worst. Markussep Talk 11:22, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

A lot of the ones under 20 km in length tend to not have the best sourcing available, even the German wiki articles are generally poorly sourced. I couldn't find anything other than mention in some books or on a map for a lot of them. Some of the ones under 10 km look like the stream in my local golf course. In an ideal world we'd have a full article on every stream in Germany but it makes no sense to me having a short stub if there isn't sourcing available to write a good article and if the parent river is still a stub and unsourced etc. Priority should be the more notable rivers first and then if somebody can be bothered ot fully expand those and find enough info to write an article on the tributaries then expand them. Even with what you could find to write about Monzenbach, I would be surprised if you could find more than could be comfortably be summarised in the Aar article.† Encyclopædius  11:40, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Well, if we just take the Monzenbach example again: the article had mouth coordinates and location, which didn't make it into the parent article. I'm not saying that's a big problem, but before you start redirecting a lot of articles, I think it's better to discuss it at WP:RIVERS and/or WP:GERMANY. Then we may find some nice criteria to prune out the non-notable streams. Markussep Talk 13:39, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers posted what I posted to you there. also alerted WP:Germany to it.† Encyclopædius  12:27, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!
I'm sorry that i sent a remark message, but I'm struggling to understand how wikipedia works. After you edited, I saw that the page Mârzănești is posted on English Wikipedia. I did not knew that this is a problem. So, I want to move it on Romanian Wikipedia, but I don't know how to do this. Now I understand too why it is not good to post a Romanian text on an English language platform.I don't think that the Western World would like to hear about my small village in Romania :). — Preceding unsigned comment added by EusuntBabi (talk • contribs) 10:23, 1 September 2020 (UTC)


 * You copied the text from Romanian Wikipedia, didn't you? This ro:Comuna Mârzănești, Teleorman looks very much like what you added to the English Mârzănești article. Of course you can add text to the English article, but it should be in English ;-). And preferably with references. See Contributing to Wikipedia for more information. Markussep Talk 10:53, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

About the recent population of the districts and jamoats of Tajikistan
About the recent population of the districts and jamoats of Tajikistan, for instance, the former Ghonchi District (now Devashtich District) of Sughd Region, do you know any certain types of information if the jamoats have smaller division units within their territorial borders or jurisdiction; such as villages or townlets or neighborhoods or localities or settlements or communities or hamlets, etc.? Lemme know when you possibly can. jlog3000 (talk) 20:04, 2 October 2020 (UTC)


 * That would be nice information, but I haven't found a good source for that yet. Tajik Wikipedia lists villages within the jamoats (see for instance tg:Деҳоти Ғазантарак, but there's no reference. Markussep Talk 08:10, 3 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Understandable. Sadly I don't speak or understand Tajik or its letters. But thanks for the references though. jlog3000 (talk) 14:56, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

A request for some article expansion support
Hello and Greetings

While working on Draft:Avret Esir Pazarları female slavery markets in Ottomans, I came across an Ottoman escapee slave "George of Hungary" His account of escape from slavery interests me. so I initiated a Draft:George of Hungary. Frankly I am not sure I can spare enough time alone for this particular article since I am focused on related larger scope project of Women, conflicts and conflict zones, So..


 * 1) You seems to have earlier edited article Sebeș. I am looking for volunteering support in expansion and update of Draft:George of Hungary if the topic interests you and if you are unable to spare time for some reason may be you can help out by referring the article to others for expansion.
 * 2) If you happen to come across any information on Ottoman women slavery by any chance at any point of time please do support Draft:Avret Esir Pazarları by updating the same.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku (talk) 04:08, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm sorry but I can't help you with this, I have no information on the subject. Markussep Talk 18:07, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Markussep
Hi Markussep, I removed the hatnote from Komsomolobod because I couldn't find an appropriate article to link it to. Darband is a disambiguation page and, assuming that you meant Darband, Tajikistan, there is no mention of Komsomolobod as a former name. If I have made a mistake, please let me know and I will fix it. Leschnei (talk) 13:52, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for noticing that. You're right, I meant Darband, Tajikistan. I added the former name to that article, and a reference. Markussep Talk 14:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Le Mont Dore
Hi, I reverted your unsourced edit, because I was unable to find a source which declared his victory, rather than that he was ahead in the second contest. Please find a WP:reliable source which states he is mayor, and support it with a WP:inline citation. Also note that saying he was in office through 2026 should be replaced by "2020-present". Thanks!--Quisqualis (talk) 18:13, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I found a reference,, and have added it. I don't quite agree with your "2020-present" proposal, since mayors in France are elected for a specific term: until the next local elections, that will take place in March 2026. Markussep Talk 19:00, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the sourcing. Regarding 2026, Wikipedia does not predict the future, and people sometimes resign, are deposed or die in office. Unfortunately, as far as I know, the infobox is not equipped to tell us the term length, so we must read in the article to find that. (somebody tell the infobox authorities, svp)--Quisqualis (talk) 19:09, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

MOS:ORDER
I've just fixed ~170 German municipality pages which you've mostly started, or significantly contributed to, from 2006 to recently, and I've noticed a pattern of disregard for MOS:ORDER. Please ready it & try to follow it. Thanks. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 22:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, it would help me if you could be more specific about the errors you found. I have no intention of violating any guideline, and in some cases I wonder whether MOS:ORDER was that specific about the order of e.g. stub tags and categories at the time that I made the edits, back in 2006 or 2007. Markussep Talk 07:18, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Map of Carpathians in svg format?
Hi, do you have this map in vector graphics (svg)? It could be very useful, e.g. for localization? Thanks. --Pavouk (talk) 11:21, 5 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry no, I made it in Paint. Markussep Talk 11:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Bonnieure


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Germany vehicle registrations
I noticed you removed the additional registration codes from the infobox that have been reactivated some years back due to a change in registration laws. I don't see an obvious technical reason for removal as the resulting output is not linked anywhere. Am I missing something? As a general rule the historic codes are available in all districts that inherited parts of the historic districts as long as the modern district makes that option available to vehicle owners. So I imagine that 99% of the infobox usage was correcty stating current codes. Agathoclea (talk) 09:42, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, I removed some, especially from the Erzgebirgskreis (see e.g. this diff) since it was simply too much, and it doesn't make sense to me that someone from Marienberg (former Mittlerer Erzgebirgskreis, MEK) would choose a licence plate from a former district that Marienberg never was part of, like ANA, ASZ, AU, MAB, STL, SZB, ZP. If you don't agree, I can also leave them there. Markussep Talk 09:50, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It is rather silly, but that is how the rules work. It really took me a while to work out why Hof offers the Stadtsteinach plate, that was down to a hamlet that got merged away from its municipality at the time. Some people with multiple cars have been known to use the same letters/numbers but different prefixes. The question is in the end what each district allows, and I know that in places had been a contentious issue. People have been complaining in the more restrictive districts, especially if there where cars in the neighbouring district registered with a particular towns plate due to those border issues. But I have got no comprehensive overview of the final rulings. Agathoclea (talk) 10:27, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Schlüsselconverter
Template:Schlüsselconverter has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. User:GKFXtalk 19:02, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Arguenon
After reverting your change to the citation style in Arguenon I hesitate to revert your change to Arguenon where you re-added Category:Rivers of Brittany and Category:Rivers of France, but it seems to go against WP:SUBCAT and the general rule that pages are not placed in both a category and its subcategory. In this case, Category:Rivers of Côtes-d'Armor is a subcategory of Category:Rivers of Brittany, which is (indirectly) a subcategory of Category:Rivers of France. All the rivers in Côtes-d'Armor are, without any exceptions, rivers in Brittany and rivers in France. Adding the river to the parent categories clutters them up and is redundant. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:18, 18 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, see the note at that says "For convenience, all Rivers of France should be included in this category. This includes all the rivers that can also be found in the subcategories." Since there is no note like that at, one could argue for removing it from that category. In this case, Arguenon is only in three categories, so cluttering is a minor problem here. Markussep Talk 16:32, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I did not look at Category:Rivers of France, so did not see the hatnote. I see it was discussed inconclusively at Category talk:Rivers of France back in 2008. I was not thinking of clutter at the foot of the Arguenon article, but as clutter in Category:Rivers of Brittany and in Category:Rivers of France, which has 684 entries. When I look at Category:Rivers by country I do not see any consistency. Some like Category:Rivers of Russia or Category:Rivers of the United Kingdom are diffused by region, some like Category:Rivers of Kosovo are not, and some in Europe like Category:Rivers of Germany have rivers both in the main category and in regional subcategories. A mess. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:06, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * For me it's convenient to have all rivers of France in one category. I do appreciate consistency, but consistency among all hundreds of thousands of river articles may be a bit difficult to achieve. Markussep Talk 19:13, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I doubt that it would be impossible. I would divide countries into those that have few rivers, those that have many, and the ones in between. "Few" could be less than 20 or less than 5 per region, and "Many" could be more than 200 or more than 50 per region. Something like that. The "few" countries would have all the rivers in "category:Rivers of countryname"; the "many" countries would have no rivers in "category:Rivers of countryname", and the ones in between could be decided case by case. Most countries probably already follow rules like this, and working through the others standardizing them would just be a mundane job that would probably find and fix a lot of anomalies.
 * But the basic assumption is that enormous lists in "category:Rivers of countryname" should be avoided, and it would probably be impossible to gain consensus on that. Out of curiosity, what do you use Category:Rivers of France for? Aymatth2 (talk) 12:31, 19 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I use the for maintenance, to check (with "Related changes") whether new articles have appeared, or whether articles have been vandalised. That would be more tedious to me if I have to check every regional category. I looked in the guideline for categories, but there are no definitions of "overpopulated" categories. Apparently, Rivers of France is treated as a category with non-diffusing subcategories. Markussep Talk 13:36, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * You could maybe get a similar effect with a PetScan query like this one, which sorts by date/time last changed. Aymatth2 (talk) 22:58, 19 November 2021 (UTC)


 * That's an interesting option, but can I exclude my own edits? I couldn't find that option in the manual. Markussep Talk 10:07, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. But it has the advantage of not needed to put the rivers into redundant categories so avoids inconsistencies like Falleron (river), Canal de Haute Perche, Acheneau, Counamama or Baztan (river). Again, I prefer to be minimalist with categories, but doubt it would be possible to get a consensus on that. Aymatth2 (talk) 11:53, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The French wiki takes a minimalist approach with w:fr:Catégorie:Cours d'eau en France. Petscan shows articles for 4,272 watercourses. Maybe someone will set themselves the task of translating them. I only did Arguenon because it was mentioned in another article I started, but there is something peaceful and uncontroversial about articles on rivers... Aymatth2 (talk) 12:29, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

I think a general category for Rivers of France is fine for navigation if there's sub cats too, though there are some awkward ones. The important thing is that you're expanding our coverage of Corsica, which is much appreciated, I'm sure Markussep will agree.₪ Encyclopædius  17:55, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Linking via pipes and redirects
Hi, thanks for your contributions to towns, regions, and geographic features of France. Just to save you a lot of unnecessary edits, there's no need to retarget a link via a pipe to the actual page title that is already working via a redirect, and there are usually good reasons to keep the redirect as is; these are explained at WP:NOPIPE. This is especially so when the page title contains parenthetical disambiguation; one almost never wants to see the parenthetical part in the rendered page. The converse situation, is explained at WP:NOTBROKEN, which concerns links that are already working and point to the correct target page. There is rarely a reason to "fix" these links. Thanks, and happy editing! Mathglot (talk) 17:04, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Just noticed your revert at Departments of France, with the summary, rvt, there are more rivers named Nièvre. If Wikipedia has articles on more than one river named Nièvre, then the redirect Nièvre (river) should not be targeted at a single page title, and should be turned into a disambig page instead. Do you know how to do that? If not, I can do it if you prefer, if you let me know what the page title of the "other" river with this name is. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 17:12, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I guess you're right it's not very useful to replace redirects, I'll give it a break. About Nièvre, the other river is a tributary of the Somme, see fr:Nièvre (affluent de la Somme). There's no article about that one in English wikipedia yet, once that's created we could make a disambiguation page for the rivers and the department. Markussep Talk 20:30, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I wonder if it's worth creating a redirect with possibilities to Somme (river), and then we'd have enough to create the disambig page? The only thing is, if we created the redirect, then we'd have to use it someplace, maybe on the page itself as a circular redirect. Mathglot (talk) 00:28, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I created Nièvre (Somme) and Nièvre (disambiguation), and redirected Nièvre (river) and similar pages to the disambiguation page. I checked the links to Nièvre (Loire), they all seem to be correct. Markussep Talk 09:31, 27 November 2021 (UTC)