User talk:MarshallBagramyan/Archive 7

Regarding your latest block
I notice that Sandstein made mention of your sockpuppet block ("block for topic-related sockpuppetry") in his attempt to ban you from all Armenia-related articles. The lesson we must learn is that unless an editor challenges in the fullest and in the most public way an unjust, wrong decision, and does it as soon as possible after the event, that decision will eventually and inevitably be presented as an unquestionably correct decision and then used against that editor in a later incident. By not formally challenging the sockpuppetry ban, by Wikipedia's standards you are simply admitting your guilt. You are also allowing the probablility of exactly the same fate to fall onto other editors. Would you please consider making a formal appeal against the sockpuppetry charge. Meowy 21:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I wasn't inspired by Sandstein's previous decisions, but this last seems to be even more unjust, wrong and biased. We need to raise this issue. Gazifikator (talk) 07:00, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Everyone knows that Sandstein is a person who makes no attempt to hide his partisan attitudes. It says much about the type of person who becomes a Wikipedia administrator. Meowy 02:24, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I know. It's crossed my mind but I'm wary of opening up another appeal which might be shot down. For the moment, I'm deferring the appeal to the Diamond Apex, and am hopeful that he will ultimately launch one in the near-future. Check your e-mail also. Cheers, --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 23:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * But you are the sockpuppetmaster (according to the admin who blocked you) so you should be the one to appeal. And until you appeal, people can go around saying you use sockpuppet accounts. It can't be shot down because there is no evidence. Meowy 00:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

My Edits.
Heyo! ) Thank you! :)


 * Bu istifadəçi Azərbaycan dilini yüksək səviyyədə başa düşür. - nəzərə alaraq, öz dilimdə müraciət edirəm! ) Dostcasına xəbərdarlıq etdiyin üçün təşəkkür ).

Sülh və ədalət naminə! ;)

Hələlik. --Proger (talk) 22:27, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

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Your DYK nomination of Erebuni Fortress
Can you squeeze out a few more words?— S Marshall  Talk / Cont  22:52, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Armenians in Crimea
Can you please help me to check grammar of this article. --Hovik95 (talk) 21:23, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

User archives
I've moved them to MarshallBagramyan instead of MarshalBagramyan as they're showing up in the "Ownerless pages in userspace" report. Skier Dude ( talk ) 22:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Nersisyan School
Can you please help me to add and translate information about Nersisyan School form this website. Thank you. --Hovik95 (talk) 20:08, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Kars extreme humid continental climate is on the Köppen climate classification scale "Dfc" not "Dfb".
Kars extreme humid continental climate is on the Köppen climate classification scale "Dfc" not "Dfb". "Dfb" is a category too "warm" for Kars and other cities and towns in that part of Turkey (e.g. Ardahan), as this category correspondents to cities such as Stockholm or Minsk.

This Siberian-type climate is prevalent not only in Northeast Turkey but extends into neighboring Armenia and Georgia as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.104.214.245 (talk) 08:21, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the update
Since I generally roll back all entries from a destructive account, I will have to leave it up to your expertise on the subject to determine which should be rolled back. If you'd prefer, just let me know which should be rolled back and I'll gladly do so myself. Again, thanks for letting me know. Guy had a real chip on his shoulder, no? :)  --PMDrive1061 (talk) 14:57, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry for the mass reversions; I was simply doing what I always do with such accounts. Believe me, if you reverse some of what I did, it's more than OK with me.  --PMDrive1061 (talk) 19:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Notice of Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 discretionary sanctions
Further to this complaint at Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement, please be notified of the provisions of the Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 arbitration case. Note that this notice is but a neutral point of information of the provisions of the final decision, and not a caution or any type of indictment of misconduct. The Arbitration Committee has permitted administrators to impose, at their own discretion, sanctions on any editor working on pages broadly related to if the editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. If you, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article ban. The committee's full decision can be read at Requests for arbitration/. This notification has been logged on the final decision page. Yours, AGK 13:27, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Duly noted, but I have been under and have been complying with the 1RR restriction for many months now. Please note that my revert, and especially Kansas Bear's was a move against vandalism. I'm not sure how well aware you are of political denial of the Armenian Genocide (or of the genocide itself), but Abbatai's reverts are well in keeping with the government of Turkey's attempts to blot out its past and its links to the former Ottoman Empire. They contain all the trappings of the justifications of the massacres and deportations and not only harm a reader's understanding of it but present a completely distorted picture of the background and events of the genocide. The same sort of nonsense would not be tolerated on articles relating to the Holocaust, i.e., casting actual doubt on whether the events happened or not.


 * This has also come in the form of removing the Armenian names of buildings, places, and even flora and fauna. I perhaps should have put "vandalism" in the summary box but a casual glance through Abbatai's contributions over the past six months or so clearly show similar problematic edits. It's a complex matter but I hope you understand the gist of it. Regards, --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 01:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Igdir and Bitlis
I don't really care if you are pissed off or not. Keep your emotions to yourself. I'm being realistic. If you really care are about the objectiveness of the articles, send the same warning to your armenian (vandal?) users, namely sardur and gazifikator. All edits made by me were accompanied by an explanation, not just a baseless statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unible (talk • contribs) 04:15, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello Marshall, I suggest to notice this users IP-sockpuppetry and permanent POV-pushing. Gazifikator (talk) 05:44, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Khachkar article
I have started a RfC about the issues involved in the locking of the Khachkar article. Meowy 22:16, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Ողջույն
Ողջույն, հարգելի Fedayee, ես ռուսական և հայկական վիքիփեդիայի մասնակից եմ: Գրում եմ քեզ, որովհետև դու լավ ես տիրապետում անգելերենին: Հարցը նրանում է, որ ես անգլերեն այն մակարդակի չեմ տիրապետում, որ կարողանամ պայքարել այս քարտեզի դեմ քոմմոնսում: Սա ֆալսիֆիկացիոն է, և եթե քեզ ժամանակ ու ցանկություն ունես, խնդրում եմ, բարձրացրու սրա ջնջման հարցը քոմմոնսից:--Elegant&#39;s (talk) 19:02, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Foreign names
As I promised, I initiated a discussion about names. Please comment. Thanks. Grand master  08:07, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

November 2009
Thank you for making a report on Administrator intervention against vandalism. Reporting and removing vandalism is vital to the functioning of Wikipedia and all users are encouraged to revert, warn, and report vandalism. However, it appears that the editor you reported may not have engaged in vandalism, or the user was not sufficiently or appropriately warned. Please note there is a difference between vandalism and unhelpful or misguided edits made in good faith. If the user continues to vandalise after a recent final warning, please re-report it. Thank you! Toddst1 (talk) 22:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

AE note
Please only post in your own section at the AE request. Thank you, henrik  • talk  21:16, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Help needed!
Can you please translate this paragraph into Armenian for my organization. We are a university organization in the United States and are trying to have our purpose statement translated into many languages of the world.

The purpose of the Global Student Organization shall be to promote interest in issues of global significance, to create better inter-cultural relations, to foster international friendship and understanding, and to provide a forum for the presentation of innovative ideas for the benefit of the University community.

The name of the organization means the Organization of Global Students.

Thank you, --Getoar TX (talk) 08:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Hay Araqelakan Ekexecu hodvacy cankanum en axavaxel
Hargeli M.B., Es nkatel em dzer masnakcutjuny arajin petakan ekexecu qnnarkumnerum edessiaji qnnarkumnerum. Kxndrei ognel indz nujnum haj araqelakan ekexecu ejum ajstex. Nor andz e hajtnvel, vor popoxum e pastery kam tarakarcutjan arit e stexcum anhimn kerpov. eji vra hin qnnarkum ka dra veraberjal bajc norovi sharunakac. Kanxav shnorhakalutjun. Aregakn 05:08 02/03/2010 GMT —Preceding undated comment added 05:13, 2 March 2010 (UTC).

Your picture
You uploaded a picture on the english wp, of a BTR-152 in the victory park of yerevan, can you upload it on commons to put it on the french wp, on Parc de la Victoire Thanks. Jaloyan (talk) 11:39, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Iraqi security forces
A bit out of your way but not too far away. I've done, as you'll see at the contribution history, a significant amount of additions to the history of the Iraqi armed forces. Now somebody else has come by and said the style is inappropriate. Could you take a look at the history and the writing style and give me some suggestions, or, should you think the style is appropriate, say that instead? Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 07:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

State Commission for Rehabilitation and Reconstruction of Occupied Territories
This is apparently a Azerbaijani government agency. Is there anything about it on the Arm or Az wikis, or elsewhere on the net, that you could point me to? I'd like to create a stub with the information that Neftchi has added to Azerbaijani Armed Forces that simply doesn't belong there. Az's mine action authority is part of the State Commission for R&R of the OT, not the Armed Forces. Buckshot06 (talk) 07:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Tuscumbia ( talk ) 16:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Question!
I have read many of your articles and this question came up. In regards to the Armenian genocide and the Nagorno-Karabagh conflict in Azerbaijan. You write very interesting facts, and most of them are nicely based on your sources ( I checked them also ) what is interesting is that all your sources on both topics are biased towards the Armenian side and really only tells one side of the story. All intelligent human beings who are informed about this conflict and the Genocide sources ( like the UN) will probably agree with me that there are always two sides of the story and your sources only cover one. Wikipedia is probably not a large enough entity for these organizations to edit articles on here, but that really does not mean that facts can be made out of opinion and bias. I noticed you were warned or involved in a dispute regarding this also, I wonder if all your articles have to be reviewed, specifically the secondary sources and their bias. Thanks. iamslow (talk)4:00, 20 April 2010 (EST)


 * Hmm, well, thank you for your comments and your concern on these articles. I don't really want to issue an entire lecture regarding these two vast topics but considering that you raised them on my talk page, I feel that I should at least comment on some of the things you noted. The "there are always two sides to every story" is perhaps a suitable argument for less controversial problems but I doubt that we can ever use such a phrase when speaking, say, about the Holocaust. Wouldn't you agree? There is no other side: the Nazis enacted a plan to exterminate whole peoples. Likewise, the same can be said about the Young Turks when they sought to eliminate an entire group of people based on ideology and nothing less. The only other "side" is those who deny that some events took place, and in scholarly circles, such positions are dismissed as non-academic.


 * As a matter of fact, I am deeply interested in reading primary sources on the Armenian Genocide. Luckily, researchers, Turks included, are no longer just relying on just Henry Morgenthau's memoirs but are entering the archives of foreign countries, such as America's, Britain's, France's, Austria's, Germany's, the Scandinavian countries', and the data that they have been collating all corroborate one thing: that what was happening in 1915 was that the Ottoman state was working toward the destruction of the Armenian people. Say what you want about "bias" since bias is in the eye of the beholder at this moment, but their testimonies are quite unambiguous. I myself am unsatisfied with the works of some of the secondary sources I have extensively used but for the time being, they are more than considered reliable by Wikipedia's standards, which is far more than I can say with what can best be appropriately termed as propaganda material issued by the deniers. Nagorno-Karabakh is a whole other can of worms but in either case, there probably is always going to be someone who is going to be uncomfortable knowing these inconvenient truths, to borrow Al Gore's wording. Cheers,--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 15:01, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

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Armenian Genocide new Paragraph: "Patriocide"
Greetings!

I'd like to inform you about a new discussion opened on the talk-page of the Armenian Genocide article. I proposed adding a new paragraph about Patriocide, along with other losses due to Genocide. Would be glad to see your participation.

Regards, Aregakn (talk) 00:16, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Article for Deletion Nomination
Thanks for the nomination of the "Gen. of Ottoman and Muslims". This is a clear propaganda by a bias editor. I've voted. I had warned him of tendentious editing but it is the only thing he does. He clearly does not do it in good faith. Are all the procidures done for nominating the article for deletion? Regards Aregakn (talk) 19:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Marshal, can you please (!) pay attention to the point I am willing to make all this time, that the dids of Hittit is pure propaganda ( WP:SOAP )including the article he has created. And all the "further reading" he is pushing in that article now are, if not 100%, than 99% proofs of it. Aregakn (talk) 21:14, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Interesting development
I noticed that Hittit in his haste to find some sort of source for his WP:POINT decided to use Mark Levene's Genocide in the Age of the Nation-state, Vol.2. Be sure to mention on the deletion page that Levene(Vol.1, p70)(Vol.2, p106) clearly calls it the Armenian Genocide, nothing alleged about it. --Kansas Bear (talk) 08:02, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Three Revert Rule
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war based on your un-sanctioned deletions of Persecution of Ottoman Muslims and Turks 1821-1922. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution.--Hittit (talk) 04:54, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

WP:AE
Hi. Please see this:. Thanks. Grand master  06:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Hittit
Hi there. I know you refused to review Hittit's ArbCom case, but he is rather loath to discussing any of his edits. After Sardur reported him, he dismissed the nature of the case filed against him, and reverted the article once again (a total of 4-6 reverts over a 48 hour period, and this is after the imposition of 1RR). The consensus that has been achieved on the talk page is just brushed aside and I think I speak for everyone when I say that we are all at odds and confused at what do next. The editors who have participated on the talk page have agreed in unison to merge the article, and each time that someone has, Hittit has inexplicably reverted us. The edit-warring is not conducive to a healthy editing atmosphere and after all this time, he still has not offered a single valid explanation for its keep and instead lashed out against the other editors for forming a "clique" devoted to the article's deletion. Can you please help out? Thank you.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 20:18, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not injecting myself into disputes; if there is an arbitration remedy being violated please raise an issue at WP:AE, otherwise WP:3O, WP:MEDCAB, etc. are appropriate venues. Stifle (talk) 22:02, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Template:NKR
Good morning. You've added an urban centres to the Template:Administrative divisions of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. But some days ago I've created another Template:NKR. Now there is a big discussion for this template, according to the claim of Brandmeister. One of their main statements was that second template is just a copy of the first one. It wasn't so before Your this edit. So, please revert it, because we already have a template with cities of NKR. Thanks --Ліонкінг (talk) 05:17, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

You have mail
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FYI
Redirects_for_discussion. Pcap ping  02:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 May 14
There seems to be some confusion. I'm not asking for the history of Hittit's article to be deleted. That was moved by Hittit himself to Persecution of Ottoman Muslims and Turks 1821-1922! Pcap ping  04:23, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

This may be of interest to you
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Armenia.Cheers, Athenean (talk) 04:18, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

You were reverted by Brandmaster
Notice that not only he accused me of distorting, but before reverting he did not even address you, neither my reply. I think it's about time he is reported. I see on the Armenia-Azerbaijan page that he was previously topic banned. Maybe this time more is needed to stop this behavior of his. Don't forget to mention his edit warring on Khojali massacre article as well as obvious Karabakh Khanate. Ionidasz (talk) 20:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Survey
Hi MarshallBagramyan,

I am a PhD student at the Open University of Catalonia. I am currently preparing a research project about the governance processes in online collaborative communities, and I would like to kindly ask for your collaboration based on your experience in Wikipedia. Interested in participating? Please drop me a note in my talk page and download the file with the questions. This would take around 20 of your time. Thanks! Aresj (talk) 17:21, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Armenisation concept of Urartu
If you didn't see the discussion about talk page of Urartu related navigation template and nationalism section that is your own problem. This was discussed much before and decided to leave Armenian Nationalism section instead of Concept of Armenisation of Urartu (which was proposed by me) and Iron Age template in place of Armenian History. So please read warning and note it for yourself... And please give up trying to armenisate Urartu, its not funny anymore. Also I don't have anything to do with Azerbaijan of Armenian genocide, the only thing I care is ancient history and it's objectivity. Nakh 06:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Marshal for sure there are connections between Urartu and Armenia. Of course after fall of whole nations occupied Urartu couldn't leave en masse. You told that you are not expert of Urartu, I almost am. And I can say you that Urartu wasn't an mono ethnic state. There were Hurrians, Mushkis, Hettis, Scythians, Luwians and many more different nations, enslaved and free. Also there were Proto-Armenians. And claims such Urartu is Ancestral to Armenia is the same with claim that Rome is ancestral to Jew, just because they occupied Israel in past. If you believe that Urartu must be ancestral to you because Armenians took part in Urartu, than you must say that, Alexandrian Macedonia, Achemenides, Persia, Mongol Horde, Timuride Horde, Ottoman Empire, Caliphate, Turkic tribal states, Byzantum, Rome and Sassanides are also ancestral to Armenians.

Please accept that formers of Urartu were Hurrians which were not Indo-Europians, and we dont know which part of Urartu nation were ancestral to Armenia, maybe its %90 maybe %10 or %1 but they succeed to stay there after fall of the state and became powerfull. Sincerely Nakh 07:09, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Nakh's comparison is not correct. The relation between Urartu (Ararat) and Armenia as kingdoms and historically are as the Parthians and Sassanids. One ruling family and system was changed by another. Parthians were from the middla-Asia and Sassanids - local. Parthians chose a Hellenistic culture, whereas Sassanids - traditional local. If you claim that those 2 empires are not "Persian History" then tell it. Aregakn (talk) 10:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Aregakn, these two are totally different from each other. First of all Parthia and Sassanide Emp. were Pers states with both Persian population and rulers, while Urartu was a state with mixed population. Great amount of migrants and enslaved neighbors. We don't know when Proto-Armenians arrived to this zone, did they built the state together with Hurrians or were moved with Urartuan invasions, or are they just migrated Frakkians. Most likely Urartu and Armenia relation is the same with Turks and Byzantines, because we see that many of cultural signs of Hurrians were abandoned after fall of Urartu. Orontides didn't interested in old religion, old architecture, social structure and so on. Also we see that language changed totally, grammar and vocabulary changed at all, only few loan words from Hurrians passed to Armenia. So most probably Hurrian population was assimilated by Armenians, as same as Byzantines did. Genetically there are many Greeks in Turkish population but we can not say that Byzantine Empire is part of Turkish history or Byzantine empire is ancestral to Turkey. Sincerely Nakh 07:36, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh my... so you claim that Parthian and Sassanid empires were monoethnic and you compare the nomadic tribe invasion with native population of 1 same region? Aha... of course you're "right". By the way, who proved that Proto-Armenians "arrived"? It's just an other theory. Aregakn (talk) 20:32, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

A joke
No, don't bring any evidences... Stifle or another admin will sanction you for that :)). Aregakn (talk) 22:02, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

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Turkish Genocide Section
I just want to ask you what was wrong with my edit in "Turkish Genocide"? I had already talked about this with other editors. I sincerely want to make a contribution to this entry. Please let me know so that we can work something. Thanks... 68.48.22.83 (talk) 01:00, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

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Question
Could you please explain this? Quantum666 (talk) 07:41, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

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Proposal
Don't you mind if I make a request here about our discussion on Maraghar massacre article? --Quantum666 (talk) 07:46, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Look here, please. --Quantum666 (talk) 09:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Karabakh_Khanate
Brandmeister's sockpocket or meatpocket Twighligh* is making attempts to revert to Azeri family in the Karabakh Khanate section. He request page protection, so please help in reverting. He doesnt even discuss, the last User Aregakn's comments, and just reverts back without and talk discussion and puts the false info. 75.51.171.183 (talk) 23:57, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement topic ban (WP:ARBAA2)
This is to inform you that you are topic-banned for three months from pages or edits related to Armenia or Azerbaijan, as explained and detailed in this AE thread.  Sandstein  14:40, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Your e-mail
Hello, please ask your question on-wiki on my talk page and link to the applicable sanction.  Sandstein  16:56, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Assuming that the question is about the ban imposed above, the answer is no.  Sandstein   16:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)