User talk:Marskell/Archive 1

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 * &mdash; Asbestos | Talk 12:37, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Anti-Americanism
Please be careful about what you do to the articles related to Anti-Americanism. It's been one of the most embarrassing articles on WP for a long time, the location of many flame and edit wars, and we just barely managed to establish some sort of cease-fire which coincides with the splitting (not for the first time, btw) of the article. A heavy-handed approach is not recommended. Rl 08:26, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I wasn't referring to the Samuel Johnson edit -- sorry, I wasn't clear there. I just meant to warn you not to make sweeping changes that might restart the old wars. As for the "idiotic" split: Even if you don't appreciate the semantic distinction, it has served us well in keeping the parties in one of WP's nastier edit wars separated. It's a very pragmatic thing, really. Fortunately, there aren't thousands of articles like that. More power to you if you can negotiate a combined article that draws less fire than the current articles (there are three of them). Rl 14:32, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

aliens
see Talk:Extraterrestrial life

Lincolnshire Poacher

You removed my list. I will reinsert it, as removing it demonstrates you are not taking NPOV. If you remove it again you will start a revert war

Image:Enc Brit Saxon invasion.gif
Burgundavia (&#9992; take a flight?) 01:14, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Did you create this image? If you did, can you please tag it as ? Burgundavia (&#9992; take a flight?) 08:28, May 27, 2005 (UTC)


 * Are you still around? Can you please clear up the source of this image? kmccoy (talk) 9 July 2005 18:57 (UTC)

rv in Anti-American sentiment
If you revert (even only parts of) an article to anything but the second-to-last version, it is essential for other editors that you indicate which version you are reverting to. I'd suggest an edit summary like "restore intro to last edit by Edward". Rl 11:12, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Mars Direct
Aloha. In the future, it is a good idea to initiate discussion or place merge headers on the articles before initiating the merge without comments from other users. I don't think that Mars Direct should have been merged with The Case For Mars for many reasons, including the fact that Mars Direct predates the book by at least six years, if not more (see Zubrin, Baker. (1990). "Mars Direct, Humans to the Red Planet by 1999." 41st Congress of the International Astronautical Federation). When I have the time, I'm going to reverse this merge. --Viriditas | Talk 00:19, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I haven't had any time to discuss this issue. I maintain my original position: the book is a separate entity and goes far beyond the plan itself.  as well as the papers from AIAA and IAF.  This info should exist on a separate page from the book.  A good example of what the Mars Direct wikipedia article should look like in its most primitive form can be found here: .  The book expands on this topic, but does not contain it.  The Mars Direct section should summarize the main article with a link at the top Main article: Mars Direct and that page should be expanded to include the AIAA and IAF papers, links to The Case for Mars as well as information from the Mars Direct  video.  In fact, it would be reasonable to contain the book within the Mars Direct page, instead of the other way around.  Again, I haven't had time to do this, which is why I haven't responded.  --Viriditas  | Talk 10:08, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

barnstar
thanks... this was my first one. will be a interesting test of wikipedia's merits to see how long it takes for that article to grow back into the mess it was. Tfine80 19:47, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

rfc
Thanks for the heads-up. I've endorsed. Best wishes, Meelar (talk) 15:09, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

New articles
Do you know if there is Wiki-page that shows immediately when new articles are created and if it is open to non-Admins? It seems to me there must be or things wouldn't wind up on VfD within minutes. Sorry if this has an obvious answer--I only ask you because you welcomed me some months back. Marskell 11:45, 20 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Yup, there are two ways, in fact. The first is to go to Special:Newpages, either through that link or by typing it out in your adress bar. I'm actually not entirely sure how one is supposed to know this &mdash; the only place I've seen the link posted is at RC patrol, which isn't a page most people would go to often. The second, I expect more common way, is that many people montor the Recent changes page to keep an eye out for vandalism, and new pages show up with an N next to them. If the page has a title that catches someone's eye, or is made by an anon IP or a new user (shown by their talk-page red link), you can bet that it will have several editors check it out to see if it's ok. &mdash; Asbestos | Talk   (RFC)  17:38, 20 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for info. I think this is relevant enough to have a link on the help page. I could add this reasonably but don't think I have the seniority; you might do this or at least solicit opinions. If there was a monitoring system for the Special:Newpages it would partly eliminate problems with VfD months later. I watched the page for an hour after you noted it to me and threw five articles on Speedy deletions easily. Considering the over-all volume, I can only imagine how many of the (almost now) 700 000 articles slipped thru unobserved and should have been stopped as soon as they were started. Marskell 23:02, 20 August 2005 (UTC)


 * You really ought to feel free to add things to whichever help page you think the link applies to. There is sometimes some implied seniority in that, if users know you they might be more likely to trust that your actions are in good faith, but any user who reverts a good-faith addition to a help page ought certainly to take it to the talk page and discuss it if nothing else.
 * In answer to your monitoring system thoughts, though, I think people who watch Recent Changes already do this &mdash; indeed, as you said, many articles get VfD's within minutes of their creation. It's always difficult to know what would have gotten through had you not been watching the page: for instance, when I have the time to vandal watch, I might catch and revert twenty or so vandalisms within ten minutes. That said, they would have probably been caught even if I hadn't been watching the RC.
 * Anyway, if you're interested in this, I know that some users get the RC to show up constantly in their RSS feed, and I bet you could do the same thing with NewPages. You'd have to ask at one of the help desks for detais, though.
 * Good luck!
 * &mdash; Asbestos | Talk   (RFC)  18:18, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Judicial activism/tyranny
You may wish to review my reworking of your recent edit to judicial activism; I think it inaccurate to view the two terms as roughly synonymous. Judge Magney 01:32, 21 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I have revised the disputed page in accord with your request; it remains rather short, but I would prefer to provide a concise statement identifying the historical root than a longer version which only superficially explores the fuller history of the term in American political debate. Judge Magney 22:46, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Btu why?
But wehy am I going to be deleted? the movie ius a vlaid real project and deserves to be in this dictionary. User:Ryan Moore


 * In future if you want to leave messages for people click on "discussion" and "edit this page" and add comments at the bottom. Also, why not add your bio to User:Ryan Moore and then the page will properly exist?


 * Regarding your movie, a few things exclude it.
 * It doesn't exist yet. Think, for example, if we had a page for My Grandfather's Life and the entry stated "this is a book currently being writtern which is expected to be released in 2007." I think you can understand this wouldn't be acceptable. There are pages for major releases that haven't appeared yet--i.e., the third Star Wars prequel had a page before it was released--but of course your movie is not at that level.
 * It doesn't appear to have the exposure needed to be notable. There are no hard-and-fast rules to notability (the bar seems lower for music topics versus books, for instance) but with movies I'd suggest that they should have theatrical release or at least major distribution on video. If your movie is shown at a High School Arts Fest, for instance, it simply wouldn't have the exposure needed to qualify here. Again, we can't know because the movie doesn't exist.
 * It may be vanity. You can write about yourself on Wiki but it is discouraged because its hard to objectively decide on notability when thinking about yourself and it opens the door to sales pitches and self-promotion.
 * I hope this helps. Write back as you please. Marskell 11:48, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Suttee
I am still here.. I had been meaning to take a break from the article, after I felt I was losing my objectivity. I'm glad you stepped in or our argument, from our respective entrenched positions, would have continued. When I come back, I will try to look for links that discuss British exaggeration, though I am doubting I will find many. The same is true in the US currently (even in schools books and academe,) and only in the past few years have Hindus been challenging it. The blame I think lies with Hindus that may have historically ignored, accepted the misrepresentations as well. --Pranathi 16:09, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Famous...Prague
hi Marskell,
 * all the people listed there lived and worked in the city (min one year).
 * about the name of the page - maybe more users could give their opinion. For example Mozart loved Prague and was writing operas for it (but he was probably not citizen -allthough worked there) or Einstein began the work on the Theory of relativity there (during his teaching in Prague University).
 * Im not sure what you mean with "try to avoid notes to self/others on the main page. I put it in the discussion - it is not the main page...? (I´m new - maybe Im wrong)
 * I´ll add something to my user-page soon;) I wanted to wait until I get some Nobel Prize or Academy Award, but ok;) User:Szalas

Classifications
Hey. I'm not a physical anthropologist, but I finished a course on it last year. The textbook (Introduction to Physical Anthropology, Jurmaine, Kilgore, Trevathan, Nelson, 2003, Wadsworth Publications) we used did not include the Pongidae in Hominidae, and the Professor followed this as well. It noted the dispute in the text, however. Yet the claim I saw in the various Wiki articles here that "a classification excluding Pongidae from Hominidae was abandoned after 1980" is wrong, and I want to make sure the divergent classifications are still noted, since they are still used. ---Decius 23:56, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * No, it is correct. It was abandoned by primatologists. It takes a while for what the scientists who are actually studying to get into the textbooks. Most textbooks are 5-10 years or more behind the times for science that doesn't affect the everyday person. Anyways, please stop editting primate articles for now and visit WP:PRIM. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:30, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Okay, since I am not keeping up with changes after 2003. I got into editing the hominid articles after a debate with a certain gentleman here: Talk:Pelasgians, who was claiming that 9 million year old Ouranopithecus fossils found in Greece support the fringe theory that the ancient Pelasgians were Hellenes. I have no especial interest in the subject however, and you may "take the reins". However, my above statement was correct in one area: it was not abandoned after 1980, but more recently (I can quote the textbook which indicates that it was not replaced as of the writing of the text). ---Decius 13:37, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * That's a fine edit to make. *grins* Please redirect folks like you describe to WP:PRIM so we can have further dialogue. *grins* - UtherSRG (talk) 13:50, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Reply
It's fair to ask you stop editting until we have a chance to discuss so that you understand why the articles are the way they are. Yes, the classification of the two orangutan species is also fairly well settled as the only extant members of the Ponginae subfamily of the Hominidae. Adding disambiguation text to Hominidae would be fairly appropriate since hominid redirects there, or changing the redirect into a disambig, as long as the disambig agrees with the existing articles. Please discuss further edits on the appropriate talk pages, or on the talk for WP:PRIM. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:50, August 24, 2005 (UTC)


 * FYI: Mammal Species of the World 2nd edition (1993) also included all of the great apes in Hominidae. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:05, August 24, 2005 (UTC)


 * Well said, sir. Yes, the chimp-human relationship certainly was one of the motivators in the recent changes. And I certainly agree that the poor use of terminology on so-called educational programs doesn't help matters. Sometimes I think I'm fighting an uphill battle to get folks to understand that what they know isn't always correct, and that just becuse you've read it in a textbook or seen it on an education program doesn't mean it's up-to-date. Anyway, once you post your suggestion on WP:PRIM's talk, we'll all hash out what will work best. *grins* - UtherSRG (talk) 14:26, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Xenolinguistics
I agree. I'll go merge it. --Revolución (talk) 18:42, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Anti-Americanism
I see you moved the Anti-Americanism page with a redirect... Just a little problem though. If an admin doesn't do it using their move function, the history is erased. You should look up the template or I can do it... Best, Tfine80 03:28, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I can't do it... Try to post it as a request. Tfine80 22:58, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I moved the folowing from your user page. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:42, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Tim:

Thanks for your note about English on the Internet. I don't have time to turn this into a real article right now, so I am planning on developing it first on my on Wiki. So it probably makes sense to delete it.

The same probably goes for Portuguese on the Internet which has not yet attracted the attention of the deleters.

--Gary

P.S. I don't seem to be able to edit my user page. I will have to figure out how to get the comments deleted from it.

Gary Cziko
Marskell - my bad. I left my link notice on the User page of Gary Cziko by mistake. I fully realise that it should have been on his Talk page. It was early in the morning ;-) . I'll drop him a note. Thanks for pointing out to him that he should rectify it. --PhilipO 20:05, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

English on the Internet
I like it. Good job! Roodog2k 19:53, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Anti-French sentiment
Why the re-direct? It's untrue that only the US has any Anti-Frence sentiment.--JBellis 17:41, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Planetary habitability
Great job on the Planetary habitability article. Well-written, interesting, and informative stuff. I loved it!

Thanks for your support!
Dear Marskell, thanks for your vote of confidance at my RfA, and for your kind comment. I'll try hard to make the soggy mop proud! &mdash; Asbestos | Talk   (RFC)  22:38, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Margaret Turnbull
I'm sorry, but she's just a post-doctoral fellow. Not even a professor. And I still see nothing to indicate that she's done anything significant. Zoe 20:37, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

reply: New category
Looks good. I've posted it on village pump with request for feedback as well as added the category to some other articles. Check it out. MPS 01:13, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Passing thought / WP:VFD
Yes, 5000 is ridiculously small and just a lousy benchmark anyway you look at it. Unfortunately I don't see much hope currently of fixing this. A large number of inclusionist wikipedians will vote keep for any bio if the person has appeared on television even a single time, so their votes to keep local anchors are at least consistent. Others do sometimes vote delete but consider local anchors to be notable enough for bios. I find these class based arguments to be poor, but they are very common (keep all schools, keep everyone who has appeared on television, etc.). The question I ask is, What specific accomplishments does this individual have that are encyclopedically noteworthy? Quale 09:40, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

BigDaddy777
Moved from e-mail

You wrote: ..."You strike me as someone who could and should provide worthwhile stuff.

Thanks....I think!

"Leave the liberal/conservative bullshit for blogs. "

You're kidding, right? This place is so OVERRUN with liberals, it reads like Michael Moore's blog!

As for the rest of your letter, I couldn't really understand your point.

Nonetheless, thanks for taking the time to write.

BD


 * Lost cause. Hipocrite - &laquo; Talk &raquo; 11:02, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

User page and Terri category
I'm embarrassed, I'd been caught off guard by that page showing up in a category before, and I was embarrassed that time... thought I had taken care of it. I've blanked the page, which I imagine should take care of things. If that doesn't work, I'll speedy-delete it... well, I may do that anyway. In any event, thanks for the catch. Fox1 03:23, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Sam Spade
He's been nominated at least once before, and I almost nominated him once myself but he went off on one of his unpredictable sprees of antisocial behavior and pointproving before I made the nomination. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 17:39, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

re:bigdaddy
I saw your note on his talk page. Recall this: Please do not bite the newcomers. I think he's pretty new and therefore a bit edgy. Editing since 1 Sep 05. Careful!! MPS 19:31, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Beer
Thanks! If you're Canadian then perhaps you're familiar with Unibroue, an excellent brewery... although it might be a bit difficult to get in the UAE. &middot; Katefan0(scribble) 22:47, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've never had Sleeman's but my Canadian friends say it's a real CANADIAN'S brew. Actually you may be interested to know that Sleeman's has bought Unibroue, though the latter is still brewed under the old brewery labels. You said:  Well now I've tried Fin du Monde. Awful. I mean good beer but awful that I'm usually waving the bottle around at the end of the night talking about the end of the world.  My friend, this is my definition of a night properly spent. &middot; Katefan0(scribble) 20:03, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

Francophobia
This article makes sense because it at least describes a claimed obsession, trait, or ideology rather than only a list of the reasons people opposed France for political reasons at various times in history. That's my only caution. Tfine80 15:14, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Re: your comments here, what did you mean...?
Besides your other thoughts, you said this, at the diff above, in the title:

"I do broadly agree with FuelWagon's criticisms of your behaviour here (even if I don't agree with the insinuation that you have to have dealt with minute details to have a fair opinion)."

My Question:

"(even if I don't agree with the insinuation that you have to have dealt with minute details to have a fair opinion)." QUESTION: Marshall, you seem to be trying to say something positive about me, as a contrast to "behavior," but I don't quite get the gist of your statement (which I quoted here) -What is it that you are saying I am doing right here?? Thx!--GordonWattsDotCom 02:16, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Re: Another question
Hi again--another possibly silly question for you. How do I find out if someone has an e-mail address posted? I got an e-mail from another user and I can't for the life of me figure out where you can look at other people's preferences. (No problem on the admin vote incidentally--congrats). Marskell 09:07, 8 September 2005 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, the only way that you can tell is by looking at the little "E-mail this user" link when you view a User Page (bottom left on the monobook skin). The link will let you send an email, though it won't give you the address for spam-prevention reasons. If the user doesn't have an email set, it either won't show the link or it will tell you so when you click on it (I can't remember which off-hand). Alternatively, people might show their email address on their user page (like I do), or you could always just ask them for their address in their Talk. &mdash; Asbestos | Talk   (RFC)  10:43, 9 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Odd, but this doesn't appear for me. If I look at other user pages or as an anon look at my own there is very definitely no "e-mail this usser" link anywhre. I'm in the mid-east and a lot of stuff gets blocked but this seems strange. Marskell 23:06, 9 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Are you using monobook (check Preferences -> Skins)? Check my user page (or your own, for that matter) - no link at the bottom left, under "User Contributions"? If not, post a message at Village pump (technical) and see if anyone there can work out what's wrong. &mdash; Asbestos | Talk   (RFC)  23:20, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Anti-polonism
Your statement in the talk page of the article is very reasonable and I agree with your final conclusion. But this won't work without a general policy enforced by blocks and other penalties, I'm afraid (see the discussion above and the history of the article). Is there any kind of pressure group who could propose such a policy and gather sufficient support for that? Alx-pl D  11:56, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

It hasn't gone to RfC. I suggest to wait a few days, until it gets removed from Wikiquette alerts plus 2 days more. Your idea of poll is good, but I suggest to a) make it an official poll b) state as a rule that only non-Polish, non-German, non-Russian, non-Jewish and non-Lithuanian editors can take part in the poll. What do you think? Alx-pl D  15:06, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

You are right. I change my policy. Alx-pl D  18:15, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Pat Robertson
Did you check the source for that claim about him blaming Ellen Degeneres? The web site seems like a satire site, judging by the other headlines on the home page, but it's so hard to be sure.

Thank you for your feedback + you big-time misquoted, misrepresented me
Thank you for clarifying in my talk page what you meant: I don't know who it was that suggested you had to be a long-time editor to be fair on analysis of some issues or an overview, etc.

I don't see why you agree with Wagon that I have had bad behavior; if I've done something specific, please address it specifically -but broad generalizations about behavior do not persuade me.

IN ADDITION to that, now, I'm not trying to offend you (you may have not meant it), but you big-time, major-league misquoted and misrepresented me: You claimed you opposed a current version of Schiavo that I do NOT support, and I am sure you understand how anyone does not like being misquoted. At [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terri_Schiavo&diff=23069142&oldid=23068852#Proof_that_I_was_libeled.2C_character_defamed.2C_mis-quoted.2C_etc. this perma-link diff] is saved the current state where I quote you, and show that I had not said that at all. Please take a look at the brand new section, in which I take issue with you and Taxman having big-time misquoted me in re Schiavo. Thx for your time and effort, and let me remind you, I am not trying to say you did this on purpose or anything.--GordonWattsDotCom 00:21, 12 September 2005 (UTC)


 * From my page, I got your message "I couldn't misrepresent you because I didn't purport to represent you at all. I supported the idea the paragraph be taken out. That's all. Marskell 08:09, 12 September 2005 (UTC)" I apologize; it looks like I misread another person's mind (the Taxman, being the first). That paragraph, supported by me, Ann, and even FuelWagon, and probably Patsw and also probably by the two arbiters (who do get to vote, lol), namely Fernando and Uncle Ed --that paragraph is the first mention of Terri being put into a hospice, and you will surely get voted down. That is one of the central themes: The "woman in the hospice" --how'd she get there? Why would they put a non-terminal person in a hospice? What is a "hospice?" -what did the major players say? You mind as well take out all references to PVS (both the pro-and the con ones) -you mind as well remove all references to Michael Schiavo -after all, we wouldn't wanna bloat the already long "Terri" article with stuff about Michael, now would we? And, let's also remove any mention of her parents -you know, just to be fair."


 * Marskell, your suggestions did not fall upon deaf ears: I agree with your major premise: (quoting you from my page: "I'm also going to suggest that you and FuelWagon make a good faith promise not to edit that section (not the article itself) for a few days.") --that was not only a good suggestion, but well-intended in the right spirit --to leave the section alone for a while, --so why you think that little paragraph (a key introduction to the "hospice topic") should be deleted is beyond me. I am also fearful that I hurt Taxman's feelings -but again -I can't read minds. Outside an act of God, the article will mention Terri's placement in a hospice; Wagon and I are squabbling over one small point, which is whether to report both major objections that Terri's parents had -or just one; referring to both their concerns of both financial mismanagement and also the legality of the placement itself. Everybody's getting whipped into a frenzy over one small point of disagreement, and this is not good. YES, I think the article has material that is extra and could go, but not, for God's sake, the major points; if you don't get this point, please re-read the first paragraph, immediately above. Thx.--GordonWattsDotCom 09:18, 12 September 2005 (UTC)