User talk:Marskell/Archive 25

Jaguar story

 * Sandy Georgia (Talk) 19:59, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL :-) Geometry guy 21:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Why's it funny (what did I miss)? Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 21:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the nice note; well, you are, after all, the Big Cat Man on Wiki (with all due respect to Cas and Yomangani :-) And I still remember the thrill of seeing one in my yard (haven't seen it again).  Border fence:  fiasco on every level.  Let me know when you have a citations article to the point that I can help with the little stuff. Monarchy of the United Kingdom should be close now.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 21:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Marskell, this reminder that you're one of the cat people on WP prompts me to mention that my sister works at ZSL and is a tiger expert. If you decide one day to work on Tiger I may be able to help with anything that needs citing; she may be able to point me to sources that would be useful. The only sources I own myself are some European studbooks she managed, and Riding the Tiger, which she edited along with Seidensticker and Jackson. Mike Christie (talk) 02:38, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

The Office defeaturing
I suppose it was inevitable ... I just got burned out on doing so much for it and other people still bringing up issues that in some cases I consider rather picayune. But I'm addressing them, and I think the project can bring it back through the process in time to have it as the Main Page FA on 9/27 when the fifth season starts. It was probably too much to ask to fix an article that needed so much done for it and was difficult to keep stable during a season (and with so many fan unsourced additions to it ... I think we will just have to institute a revert-on-sight policy, block-if-they-do-it-regularly, to keep it stable).

For now I'm trying to address all the issues raised in the FARC. Current goal is peer review by the end of the month. Feel free to help. Daniel Case (talk) 14:55, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * ... ... some of us who raised the "picayune" issues also spent hours fixing them. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:17, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't mean you ... you raised good points which I also tried to fix. I meant things like "too many pictures, even if they're free" and the complaint about using Jenna Fischer's blog as a source because it's on MySpace and we don't allow xlinks there anymore. Daniel Case (talk) 18:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Both of you put in a lot of work. And as we often say, improving the article is all that matters, with or without the star. So don't feel you wasted your time, Daniel. I'd like to promise to help but I'm not editing much. You should look for a prose specialist to give it a once over. Marskell (talk) 18:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, with two degrees in English and a background in journalism, I tend to consider myself a prose specialist. I did the original copy edit back in April. I do agree that the article still needs to be cleansed of all the language that sounds more appropriate to Entertainment Weekly than an encyclopedia. But right now I'm putting in the citations for the writers and directors that it was missing. Then, I'm trimming up the season synopses (which should be easier to do once the season finale has aired Thursday and people don't feel the need to add trivial details about this week's episode). Daniel Case (talk) 18:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Someone unfamiliar with the prose is critical on FAs; we miss our own mistakes, more than anything. And those stub sections need working on. Marskell (talk) 18:33, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, certainly. I'll ask you for a referral once I'm done with everything I see that needs to be done. Including the stub sections. Daniel Case (talk) 20:23, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Request for Arbitration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#ant-Americanism —Preceding unsigned comment added by Life.temp (talk • contribs) 08:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The_undertow Request for arbitration
I'm not sure this was the correct approach to take. This request has been added on- and off-, several times. In my experience, requests are removed by the Committee as they decide is necessary, and until such times, they remain in place.

After all, the request for arbitration called for a full desysopping. That has not yet been delivered (this has been suggested to be a temporary measure, with no current, specified bar to resysopping, other than the Committee being "consulted"). Would you take great objection if I re-added it a final time?

Anthøny 21:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

SlimVirgin's RFArb
Since you were on the receiving end of quite a few of her personal attacks, you might want to weigh in on it here. --130.127.3.249 (talk) 05:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Done.
- Don't worry about doing anything at 3RR, I quite like having my own little section ;-) Scarian  Call me Pat!  21:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Apologies
Apologies for undoing your edit on Anti-Americanism, I would have preferred to wait until you were online again, but the situation was escalating (again) and I thought it best to not wait. henrik • talk  11:59, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Anti-Americanism: Truce
Please respond: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Anti-Americanism#Truce Life.temp (talk) 22:38, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

FAR/Kazi Nazrul Islam
We are allowed to bring up criteria that you did not specifically highlight in FARC segmentation are we not? I do believe that the rewrite of the article has brought up a pile of 1a issues as well as more peacock issues.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes; Marskell's segmentation contains only suggestions. You can bring up anything related to WP:WIAFA.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 04:00, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

3RR Warning: Anti-Americanism
You've reverted 3 times in 24 hours, all without explanation in Talk. You have also, in general, engaged in a revert war over a period of days, weeks, and months. Please make an effort to achieve consensus on the article. Life.temp (talk) 07:19, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Windows 2000
Not sure why the queries are still coming to me and Gimmetrow; directing you to User talk:SandyGeorgia and User talk:Gimmetrow. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 13:09, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

FA criteria
Tim—thanks for your changes, but I wonder whether you realised that there are now two sets of successive colons in each branch of that single-sentence list. That's why I'd used dashes. Do you think it's better now? diff TONY   (talk)  13:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC) PS An alternative might be "It is—"  TONY   (talk)  13:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC) Um, no, on second thought, the dash is better in each lower-level clause, since the grammar, well ... see if you like what I've done. TONY  (talk)  13:50, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's no big deal; but the dash seems to better represent the equative relationship between the headers and the details (which are just big nominal groups in the manner of most image captions). I don't mind if you revert. TONY   (talk)  14:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * User_talk:Hoary TONY   (talk)  14:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Request for Peer Review help
Thank you for you work as a peer review volunteer. Since March, there has been a concerted effort to make sure all peer review requests get some response. Requests that have gone three days or longer without a substantial response are listed at Peer review/backlog. I have three requests to help this continue.

1) If you are asked to do a peer review, please ask the person who made the request to also do a review, preferably of a request that has not yet had feedback. This is fairly simple, but helps. For example when I review requests on the backlog list, I close with Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). Yours, ...

2) While there are several people who help with the backlog, lately I have been doing up to 3 or 4 peer reviews a day and can not keep this up much longer. We need help. Since there are now well over 100 names on the PR volunteers page, if each volunteer reviewed just one PR request without a response from the list each month, it would easily take care of the "no response" backlog. To help spread out the load, I suggest those willing pick a day of the month and do a review that day (for example, my first edit was on the 8th, so I could pick the 8th). Please pick a peer review request with no responses yet, if possible off the backlog list. If you want, leave a note on my talk page as to which day you picked and I will remind you each month.

3) I have made some proposals to add some limits to peer review requests at Wikipedia_talk:Peer_review. The idea is to prevent any one user from overly burdening the process. These seem fairly reasonable (one PR request per editor per day, only four total PR requests per editor at a time, PR requests with cleanup banners can be delisted (like GAN quick fail), and wait two weeks to relist a PR request after it is archived), but have gotten no feedback in one week. If you have any thoughts on these, please weigh in.

Thanks again for your help and in advance for any assistance with the backlog. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:55, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Featured article review/Harbhajan Singh
G'day - I came in late to this to offer an opinion and note that it seems to now have reached consensus to close. Your help if you agree would be appreciated.-- VS talk 04:00, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The FA-Team
Hi. There has been some discussion of how to improve the FA-Team's functioning. It's be grand if you could comment on the new suggested structure, and perhaps also look at our current proposals. Thanks. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 18:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

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Barack Obama archive
It didn't seem important at first, but now I think it would be better if Featured article review/Barack Obama/archive3 were included in the Talk:Barack Obama ArticleHistory. This week at Good article reassessment/Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago)/1 we have had debates about instability and everyone is looking for established precedents. Obviously, the most famously dynamic page right now is Barack Obama. It would be better for the paper trail permanent record if his article history was all-inclusive. Please reply at my talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems you are the person to talk to about User_talk:Raul654. What is going on?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:30, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I am still looking for some clarification.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:V protection
Some of the same people revert warring here have just caused WP:ATT to be protected twice in quick sucession for the same reason. It might be useful to remove them rather than protecting it entirely because it is starting to get ridiculous. Viridae Talk 21:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Leopard
Hey Marskell, you have expressed interest in this article previously. I'm trying to band together some editors for some kind of collab on this one in attempt of an FA; Cas has now also expressed interest. If you're interested in perhaps chipping in, let me know. If not, that's fine too, and thanks all the same. Best, -- Anonymous Dissident  Talk 02:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Right on then. I think I'll chip in on the referencing and such whenever and as much as I can. Cheers, and happy editing, -- Anonymous Dissident  Talk 15:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello. As I stated on the talk page, I was adding some tags, and then was going to go about looking for decent sources. As Dissident points out, the bottom half of the article is lacking in sources. I don't at all see how this is bombing. I also think the leopard men section is out of place, and needs to be linked only on the disambig page. Beach drifter (talk) 16:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Degeneracy in America...
The Rubin and Rubin book has at last arrived...So far I have just read the first chapter - which is about our 'degeneracy theory'. Intriguing that North America was regarded as a philosophical conundrum by the savants of Europe. I guess it had to be fitted into the scheme of accepted thinking somehow. It seems to me that the same kind of thinking - which regards a land as cursed - is now applied to the continent of Africa. Colin4C (talk) 09:26, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

That seems to be some kind of odd mistake on my part. Not sure where exactly I thought those last two were incorrect. Thanks for fixing that. -- Anonymous Dissident  Talk 10:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Darn
Darnit. Although it has always been my intent, I forgot again, and I'm not sure I'll find time to get to this. Maralia ran the May FAC stats, and I failed to remember to do the same for FAR. Is there any chance you can run through your archives and add any special mentions to Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates? Sandy Georgia (Talk) 18:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Attribution
Please see Wikipedia talk:Attribution. I'm very sorry if you thought that I was attacking you. In retrospect, I see that my choice of words was poor. —David Levy 15:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability
I would appreciate any feedback you can offer on this.-- Birgitte SB  21:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Requests_for_arbitration: Anti-Americanism: Marskell & Colin4C
Youare hereby notified: Requests_for_arbitration. Life.temp (talk) 01:02, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Dispatch
We have at least a week to work on FCDW/June 23, 2008; it started in Ealdgyth's userspace, and I'm gradually tweaking it. There are some pitfalls in this Dispatch (reliability of sources is not black and white, but we want to set out some basics for reviewers of how to check sources), so I'd really appreciate your help. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 20:55, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Tim, I know you're swamped, but I really need more eyes on this dispatch; do you have a chance to look it over? Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 17:25, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Another one for you to watch: FCDW/June 30, 2008  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:12, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

ANI thread
As an involved party you may wish to comment here. Administrators%27_noticeboard Durova Charge! 07:24, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Mail
Spam filter or atomic deathray?  bishzilla    ROA R R! !    09:49, 15 June 2008 (UTC).

Primate peer review
Hey, if you've got time could you have a look at the primate peer review. I'd ideally like to get the article to FAC with a little help. Cheers, Jack (talk) 22:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

GimmeBot vacation
. Means I'll be doing any closes manually, so anything you can hold off would be appreciated. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 06:12, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Almost an hour, to do only two FARCs. Let me know if you see anything I missed.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I think (not certain) he's back around the 22nd; keeps are easy, it's the removes that are a killer. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 15:47, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * He's baaaaack :-) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 16:41, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

FA-Team Mission 4
Mission 4, a series of articles on the Everglades, could do with help from the FA-Team! Thanks! Awadewit (talk) 13:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Pronoun Problem
You have been recently active on the WP:V talk page. Please visit this discussion on WP:VPP and contribute comments if you want to. Thank you. 208.43.120.114 (talk) 02:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Copy edit
Hey, I noticed your name on that list for editors who do copyedits. I was just wondering if you could copyedit No Such Thing as Vampires. It has passed GA, and I have nominated it for FA, but it seems that it needs a good c.e.. If you can help, thanks, but if you are too busy (or just don't want to), I'll happily ask another user! :-)  Corn.u.co.pia ♥  Disc.us.sion  03:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey! Are you there?  Corn.u.co.pia ♥  Disc.us.sion  08:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Search engine optimization
See Raul's talk page. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 03:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Always nice to see you round
Did you ever get a chance to read that issue of Scientific American? Oh, and my vocabulary was recently expanded by listening to George Carlin in memoriam, and I suddenly found out that a word I used idly to you in jest a while back is in fact a racist epithet. So I just thought I'd belatedly and hurriedly apologise just in case you thought I was writing this from behind a white cloth mask.  Serendi pod ous  16:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Here 'tis.  Serendi pod ous  18:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * So, on topic, do you think it's info could be split into the various sections, or does it deserve a section of its own?  Serendi pod ous  12:08, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added the sciam info. Also removed a lot of OR. Good stuff, some of it, if it could be sourced, but OR nonetheless.  Serendi pod ous  14:42, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Holkham Hall (FAR)
...seems to have reached consensus to keep. Your help would be appreciated. Nousernamesleft (talk) 00:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I've taken Planetary Habitability off my watchlist
I can't deal with the abuse, and since you and I are the only people who edit it, the abuse doesn't seem worth the effort when you're not here.  Serendi pod ous  06:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's been archived (and then de-archived by the troll, and then archived again...) but you can view the wreckage here. I must admit I got a bit snappy towards the end, but still, the guy has real fury issues.  Serendi pod ous  11:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

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Favour
Hi Marskell, long time no talk. Would you mind using your extra buttons to delete this, as it has no use, and is just a big nothing. Thanks. Ceoil sláinte 16:31, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. This is my amusing reward. Hope you get it! Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 18:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

C-class status
Based on a quick purview of Wikipedia_Signpost/2008-06-23/Dispatches, I think the WP:FARC outcome for Theodore Roosevelt should result in it being listed in the new C-class for articles deficient in citations. I am not sure how widely this new class is being used or accepted. Do you have any thoughts? Have you Sandy, Raul and Joel discussed use of this class for FARC demotions?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll direct Gimmetrow to this discussion; the bot currently downgrades FARC's articles to B-class. Another option, considering the new C-class, is just to remove assessment and leave them unassessed.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 17:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Btw, Tony, please don't start this topic in five places, and you (or any editor) can downgrade Roosevelt to C yourself. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 17:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

My vote is that now that the classes are more refined, we can no longer have the bot automatically assign a class, so we should remove the assessment, leave them unassessed, let Projects re-assess. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 18:23, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * O.K. I will downgrade it myself. B-Class is better than unassigned, but the bot could be programmed to look for fact and similar such templates and then tag with C-Class.  There are probably other rules that would lead it to A, GA or B-class.  It think most FARC delists will result in C-class however.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:34, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Since the class system has become, in my opinion, unnecesarily more complicated it would be best just to leave the articles as unassessed after FA removal. Joelito (talk) 19:51, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You may want to generally leave articles unassessed, but I believe that there may be times when you want to endorse an article as retaining GA-class upon delisting. I am not sure how common this is.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:37, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Not our job, already discussed. When an article is FARC'd, it would rarely make GA, and would need to re-apply.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. Even technically, an article loses GA status on its featuring (although the actual merits of the article are supposed to be worth more than technicalities, hehe). This would make for an argument in favour of separating GA and FA from the rest of the assessment scale, but it's really more complicated than that.
 * Anyway, if an automatic grading were to be given to a de-featured article, I believe that should be C-class. There is a growing consensus that B-class should be given with the checklist method; any person could do it, but the checklists should be created by the projects following a basic model. It is the general view that the criteria for assessment should be more specific and the divisions between the classes clearer. C-class is the last level before any assessment process (however informal), and indicates an article with much content which still has some gaps and/or suffers from problems and lacking references. If an article is worthy of promotion to B-class, one can quickly ascertain it and proceed. Waltham, The Duke of 00:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree also. Call me old-fashioned, but I'd prefer that FAR removals simply rejoin the herd with no automatic class assigned. Some are basically decent, some not so much. And to be honest, I could care less both for C and B class. I've never seen that they've added much to the encyclopedia. Marskell (talk) 11:11, 1 July 2008 (UTC)