User talk:Marsneedswomen

I apologize for implying that you have anything to do with reverting my work. The mind clouds up when these things happen.

I don’t work for Spike and Mike; I am a big fan of animation, as obviously you are. My exposure to animation, other than Saturday Morning, was the 1977 Los Angeles Filmex, when I was exposed to the animation of Max and Dave Fleisher, Ub Iwerks, Paul Driessen and other foreign animators. I then would trek from Orange County to the Los Angeles to see the Torunee of Animation and then Spike and Mike Festival. Even though I liked the Original Festival better than the Sick and Twisted I was able to see new and innovated animation as well as the elusive Oscar nominated films. It does bother me that there hasn’t been an Original Festival for a few years but I guess I have a soft spot for Spike and Mike and their festivals and don’t like to see it or them attacked. You, obviously don’t like Spike and Mike by what you said in their article.

As for the Animation Show, I always saw it as two things, filling a need that was missing when Spike and Mike stopped doing the Original Festival as much and two animators that didn’t want to work with Spike and Mike anymore. (I asked Spike about this one year at Comic Con at his booth and in his gruff and sarcastic manner he suggested this.) As for seeing Don Hertzfeld at the San Diego Comic Con, I saw him and Bill Plympton manning the booth the first year the Animation Show came out. Someone asked Mr. Hertzfeld (or someone who had his name tag on for you have said he never manned the booth) if the show was like Spike and Mike and he went off and said that they don’t show the Sick and Twisted kind of stuff and that he treated animators better than Spike and let them participate more in the profits than Spike and Mike does. That’s the only time I’ve heard anyone saying anything about Spike not treating them well. That’s why I deleted what you wrote about artists not working with Spike and Mike anymore and why I didn’t put what I heard. It is all heresy and not documented.

I supposed the Jerry Beck book you are referring to is “Outlaw Animation,” which I have and read and not only did I not find anything said about artists being not treated well but the complete opposite. As for the animation boards saying those things, come on, only one person has to have a beef on the internet and then it is taken as gospel. As for Hertzfeld and Mike Judge being Saints to animators, dude, they’re doing the same thing Spike and Mike did for more than 25 years. They are exposing little, if not ever, seen animation and animators who wouldn’t get that kind of exposure. This is how both of them were exposed by Spike and Mike as well as, in Mike Judge’s case, funded, to make the first Beavis and Butt-head which IS document in Jerry Beck’s book. If they are Saints does that make Spike and Mike “gods”! Like I said before they are filling a void left by a lack of an Original Festival and they don’t do the Sick and Twisted. I heard rumors that there may be a new Spike and Mike Original Festival, who knows!

I didn’t know about the Pop Tarts thing, I love those commercials and thought they came from the bizarre genius mind of Mr. Hertzfeld. Thank you for clearing that up.

Let’s just be happy that there is a Spike and Mike and Animation Show, and we get to enjoy the fantastic animation that has shown through the years. Having both Spike and Mike and Animation Show is good for us fans, and that is well documented. You made a good point about Animation Show site being a totally relevant link, so I put it back. The more animation, the better!!!