User talk:Martijn Hoekstra/Archives/2012/August

WP:CNR question
About Template:Index to isotope pages (by periodic table). I understand there was this issue after my move over namespaces. Is there a mistake I made, or just a WP:CNR policy edit needed, or do we rely on a bot, next time? -DePiep (talk) 12:23, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The 'problem' is the loads of articles linking to Index to isotope pages (by periodic table). One could do this manually, but being lazy, I'd rather force a double redirect, and have some botrun clean it up. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 12:26, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I get it. Next time doing a CNR I'll do a check for this, but it does not prohibit it I understand. -DePiep (talk) 12:30, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Martijn Hoekstra, you messed it up. The links were not resolved nicely, the redirect was deleted, and now it has collapsed. It looks like you were too simply removing a Redirect, based on an essay, using speedy? What solution did you have in mind for the links & transclusions then? What did you ask the bot? -DePiep (talk) 23:47, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, what did I delete now? As far as I know I didn't delete anything. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 07:56, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * What did you do then, and that includes bot stimulating? "deletion" is not the key word, "messed up" is. -DePiep (talk) 12:23, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I moved the redirect at Index to isotope pages (by periodic table) to my userspace preserving the redirect. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 12:39, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * And then? (btw you just gave a red link. Again). -DePiep (talk) 14:02, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Then I started answering your questions. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 14:14, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Just the easy ones. Didn't you notice you gave a red link to argue that you didn't delete anything? -DePiep (talk) 14:46, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * To tell you the truth, no, I didn't. I also didn't delete the page. Also, what are the hard questions that I didn't answer? I'll be happy to answer those now, but I can't see them now. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:51, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

So User:Nyttend deleted the redirect, as you noted at last. The same editor who complained: Now I'm simply confused. I am able to apologise at some point, but why did you need a dozen of edits to say that? -DePiep (talk) 22:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Index to isotope pages
I don't see the reason; "Index to isotope pages" seems a reasonable article topic to me, given our many "Index of ___" or "Index to ___" pages, so per WP:REDDEAL I'd prefer to leave them as is. Nyttend (talk) 14:00, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The move (ten days ago) is not the issue. The deletion of the redirect is (today by this Martijn Hoekstra). . Note to Martijn Hoekstra: the redirect you deleted has redlinked many reidirects in article space. Deletion was not aa good idea. Seems like you misssed dozens of article links to that redirect. Now they became red, as some users. -DePiep (talk) 14:58, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Now I'm simply confused — after Double Sharp moved it back to mainspace, are there any outstanding issues? And if so, what are they?  Do you mean pages that could be deleted under G8, redirects to deleted pages?  Your first comment made me think that you were referring to links from mainspace that had gone from blue to red, but now I'm not sure.  Nyttend (talk) 18:47, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Eh, is this for me? Well, the issue is that the page is not an article, and today it got messed up because MH deleted a redirect, appearently without checking links & transclusions, and then someone moved it. The motivation, WP:CNR, is not policy or guideline, but a non-conclusive essay. That a base for speedy? I am confused too. -DePiep (talk) 23:44, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

List of LoveFilm Instant Watch Devices
Hi. You recently declined a CSD on List of LoveFilm Instant Watch Devices. It is since revealed that this was created by a sockpuppet of a blocked sockmaster in  evasion  of the block. I will leave you  to  decide if if the article should now be deleted. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:57, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok
But it is still non notable. Surely you aren't so shortsighted to ignore a valid deletion request based on a misused tag, no? Actually, you probably are. Iamthemuffinman (talk) 11:09, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, you could take it to AfD. There has been longstanding consensus that all institutions for secundary and tertiary education are notable; there is a reason that the CSD first list what is included, and then specifically single out schools to note that they are not an eligible subject for speedy deletion. Why do you think this one is not notable, compared to other schools? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:13, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Because it is non notable. Iamthemuffinman (talk) 11:29, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I doubt that. You claim it's not notable because it's not notable. I would like to see a little stronger reasoning before I delete an article out of policy (being not notable is patently not a speedy deletion criterium, it clearly says so on CSD), with no argumentation whatsoever apart from you believing it fails a guideline. If you feel strongly about it, feel free to bring it to AfD, where the community can make a judgement, rather than yourself. Also, could you please not resort to personal attacks? I take offense to you calling me shortsighted. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:33, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Your offense is not my problem. You choose to be offended. I have nominated the article at AFD. Iamthemuffinman (talk) 11:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Nonsense. There is a modicum of civilty to be expected, and I expect you to abide by that. We don't go around calling people names. An ad-hominum never helped any productive discussion onwards. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:39, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If you see a comment about your action as a personal attack then that is your problem, not mine. I will not discuss this matter further with you. Iamthemuffinman (talk) 11:41, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with comments about my action, and always welcome them. What I don't welcome are personal attacks. Surely you aren't so shortsighted to ignore a valid deletion request based on a misused tag, no? Actually, you probably are is a personal attack. You are saying that I am shortsighted. That is a personal attack any way you spin it. Don't do that. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:45, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah ok, whatever you say bud. Iamthemuffinman (talk) 12:11, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Do what you will, but please do consider this an uw-npa1. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 12:43, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Lynne E Chandler
Lynne Chandler has already been speedied several times. The article is being created and recreated by her husband and is clearly promotional. Being a self-published author is not an assertion of notability. Harry the Dog WOOF  13:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think either A7 or G11 applies, but searching around I found Articles for deletion/Lynne Chandler, so G5 will work.
 * It's gone to Afd again now. I think that's OK since if successful it will "refresh" the older AfD which is three years old. Harry the Dog WOOF  13:45, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ugh, in the mean time I speedied it and closed the discussion. If you prefer, I can re-open it, but I don't see anything that has changed in the meantime that would invalidate the original closure (and, as you may have noticed, I'm quite a stickler for 'playing by the rules' when it comes to deletion). Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:47, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Nah, it's fine. I agree there is nothing in the meantime that would maker her notable. I am a stickler about people trying to use WP for promotional purposes! :-) Harry the Dog WOOF  13:52, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well thatdidn;t take long. It's back! Harry the Dog WOOF  13:57, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I see you placed a uw-create4, so that should be enough deterrent. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:58, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Please restore this image
The image is clearly marked as public domain at its source. Did you even double check that? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:23, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Magog, I didn't put in a clear deletion summary. The image is claimed as PD from its source (bikerstuff). The problem is, it originates from another location (http://www.meadowstap.com/bikergirls2008/biker-babe1-.jpg). If you follow that back to the website, you can see this is the real source of the image, and there is no PD release there. It's not bikerstuff's to release PD. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 05:46, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

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"Comparison of standard Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian" page move
Hallo Martijn Hoekstra, thanks for your help on the page "Comparison of standard Bosnian, Croatian, Montenegrin, and Serbian". I think that Serbo-Croatian is a pluricentric language with four standard variants (see all my contributions). Therefore I added the Montenegrin variant into page title. Obviously, I didn’t move the page in a technically correct way... Thanks again! --Darigon Jr. (talk) 20:38, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:39, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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ANI-notice isotopes
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is WP:ANI/Incidents#Index to isotope pages, moves and a deletion ended incorrect.The discussion is about the topic Index to isotope pages. Thank you. -DePiep (talk) 11:16, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

You have new messages
You being the deleting admin, i thought you might like to know that Wrangler24 is inquiring as to why his page was deleted. benzband ( talk ) 21:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I went over to his talkpage, and saw his helprequest was properly answered. I don't have much to add to that. I'll keep an eye on it in case he has more questions. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 06:21, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Unprotect
Hi! You were one of the admins on the recent changes so I'm here to ask you to unprotect this page (she won a silver medal at the Olympics so she meets notability criteria). -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 22:49, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Haha you are all arguing. Oh, and thanks for helping out "POET JACOB CRAMER" wiki Martin! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bouncingpinapple (talk • contribs) 14:47, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * As the cool kids say: "lolwut?" (that is what the cool kids say, right?) Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 22:07, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

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 * How nice! What did I do to deserve it? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 16:46, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

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