User talk:Martijn Hoekstra/Archives/2014/December

Hadi Partovi
I was about to create a new article for Hadi Partovi to fix a redlink in the Code.org article. I saw that you deleted a previous attempt about a year ago and just wanted to see if you recall the reason. I assume it's that the editor didn't do a good job citing sources (of which there seem to be plenty in mainstream media, at least now). Let me know if you know of any reason why I shouldn't try to create this article. Thanks! Benchun (talk) 03:46, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No, go right ahead. I checked the deleted content, and it was a single line: هادي بارتوفي هو مؤسس شركة Code.org. So unfortunately, there is nothing there I can undelete for you, but nothing to stand in the way of recreation either. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 07:31, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I see that this account is pretty new, so if you have any questions - for example about our criteria for inclusion of biographies or (speedy) deletion and article creation, feel free to ask me, or for example the teahouse or the help desk. It's also a good idea to review our guide to your first article if you haven't done so already. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:39, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking into that Martijn. I will do some reading based on your links. I created my account years ago but have just recently started contributing. benchun (talk) 18:48, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Nevertheless, welcome! Have fun editing, and don't worry too much about making honest mistakes. It's a wiki after all! Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:46, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

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RfC United States same-sex marriage map
I opened up an RfC for the U.S. same-sex marriage map due to the complicated situation of Kansas: RfC: How should we color Kansas? Prcc27 (talk) 02:14, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

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G13 Eligibility
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VisualEditor newsletter—December 2014


Did you know?

Basic table editing is now available in VisualEditor. You can add and remove rows and columns from existing tables at the click of a button.

The user guide has more information about how to use VisualEditor. Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and worked on table editing and performance. Their weekly status reports are posted on Mediawiki.org. Upcoming plans are posted at the VisualEditor roadmap.

VisualEditor was deployed to several hundred remaining wikis as an opt-in beta feature at the end of November, except for most Wiktionaries (which depend heavily upon templates) and all Wikisources (which await integration with ProofreadPage).

Recent improvements
Basic support for editing tables is available. You can insert new tables, add and remove rows and columns, set or remove a caption for a table, and merge cells together. To change the contents of a cell, double-click inside it. More features will be added in the coming months. In addition, VisualEditor now ignores broken, invalid  and   elements, instead of trying to repair them.

You can now use find and replace in VisualEditor, reachable through the tool menu or by pressing  ⌃ Ctrl + F  or  ⌘ Cmd + F.

You can now create and edit simple  paragraphs for quoting and indenting content. This changes a "" into a "".

Some new keyboard sequences can be used to format content. At the start of the line, typing " *  " will make the line a bullet list; " 1.  " or " # " will make it a numbered list; " == " will make it a section heading; " : " will make it a blockquote. If you didn't mean to use these tools, you can press undo to undo the formatting change. There are also two other keyboard sequences: " [[ " for opening the link tool, and " {{ " for opening the template tool, to help experienced editors. The existing standard keyboard shortcuts, like ⌃ Ctrl + K to open the link editor, still work.

If you add a category that has been redirected, then VisualEditor now adds its target. Categories without description pages show up as red.

You can again create and edit galleries as wikitext code.

Looking ahead
VisualEditor will replace the existing design with a new theme designed by the User Experience group. The new theme will be visible for desktop systems at MediaWiki.org in late December and at other sites early January. (You can see a developer preview of the old "Apex" theme and the new "MediaWiki" one which will replace it.)

The Editing team plans to add auto-fill features for citations in January. Planned changes to the media search dialog will make choosing between possible images easier.

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Gölcükspor
I was going to create an article about Turkish football team Gölcükspor but I learned that you deleted an article with the same name before. I wanted to know why you deleted it? -Statli12 (talk) 14:01, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi . The content consisted only of an infobox. I've restored the content that was there to your userspace. Feel free make it in to an article and move it back to mainspace. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:52, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Undeletion request
I've been studying the phenomenom known as post-micturition convulsion syndrome for many years on an amateur basis - and while information is very light on the subject - there is a known problem that does affect a number of men. Can I request that the deletion of the page is reversed so that the subject can be studied further - there are numerous points of reference for it happening, and yet no solid research on it. Removing a summation of the research would act against finding a cure.

I'm aware that the name itself is created, but it sounds so much better than "pee shivers".

There's a related syndrome that causes bowel expulsion at lower temperatures as well - and an unproven link to autonomic reflex - but with no central reservoir of knowledge (provided by Wikipedia) there's not a lot that can be done.

I understand that it's a rare phenomena, but I'm mildly perturbed that notability depends on public perception of it's existence, where to most people the subject itself is taboo.

Thank you for your time, and I hope to reach a settlement with the undeletion. I will be willing to create additional material and references for the page - but as a brief snippet "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf_twQ26hag&t=17m21s" George Carlin from 1975

I understand that it may be seen as a joke by some, and an irrelevancy from others, but to those who have it - information on it is as useful as the Bristol Stool Chart - which is also there.

Let's face it, if guys have been talking about it for 40 years - there's something to it. Cerebrovore (talk) 23:46, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi . Looking back at the article and the AfD, the concerns raised at AfD, that it was unreferenced and seemingly unreferenceble haven't been addressed. It's not that I have objections to recreating the article if it can be shown to have been discussed in independent reliable sources, but that doesn't seem to be the case presently. There is anecdotal evidence that it is a "thing", but with the lack of independent referencing any article Wikipedia could write about it would be original research, and we have a policy against that. Wikipedia is not a good place to conduct such research and gather anecdotal evidence - like the youtube video you linked above, or the only source in the old article, http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1044/what-causes-piss-shiver . It can be surprising to some that that's how Wikipedia works, and that Wikipedia as a collaborative crowd sourced effort could and should have that function as well, but it doesn't, and if we want to be an encyclopedia, shouldn't. If you can find better sourcing, from reliable sources, that have written about the subject in some depth, feel free to ask again. You could always just recreate the article, but at this point, I really advice against that; I have little doubt it will be quickly re-deleted at AfD leading to wasted effort, and most likely annoyance, for everyone involved. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 14:15, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

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