User talk:Martin tamb/Archive 4

Section break on NBA Drafts articles
I agree that the section title I added is a bit "wordy". I wanted, however, to capture the essence of the subsequent text, which covers not only the draft itself, but contains detail about the draftees' subsequent NBA careers. A section title such as "Draft selections" or "Draft overview" would, to suggest (to me) that the subsequent text would be limited to information about who was selected, the college attended by the selected player, and relevant college accomplishments. That is, I would not expect to see information that post-dated the draft itself. I'm open to other suggestions, but part of the problem is that the current text combines both draft information and information on what the player would later accomplish. Ideally, the text could be restructured so that this information was separated. Perhaps all of these considerations can be discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association. &mdash; Myasuda (talk) 14:27, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Featured topic push
Hi, I hope you are interested in helping to bring the following topic to featured status:

It is not too much work since most lists have been promoted FL or audited (meaning peer reviewed) already. There are three lists that need to be brought to FLC including List of National Basketball Association head coaches with 400 games coached, List of current National Basketball Association head coaches and List of NBA championship head coaches. The first two are ready thanks to you. Only the last needs a complete rewrite. Lastly, List of Los Angeles Clippers head coaches needs to go through peer review to be an "audited article".— Chris! c / t 20:27, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Per Wikipedia talk:Featured topic questions, I add 2 more articles.— Chris! c / t 04:46, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, NBA coaches FT was already on my mind when I created List of National Basketball Association head coaches with 400 games coached and List of National Basketball Association player-coaches, but I haven't had time to work on the following ideas:
 * I think there should be a lead article with the title List of National Basketball Association head coaches with a format similar to List of Major League Baseball managers. List of current National Basketball Association head coaches could also be merged there. A lot of writing is needed for this kind of article but I think this will be a great lead article. List of National Basketball Association head coaches with 400 games coached could have a trouble in FL process because of the 400 games I used was just an abitrary number I picked to limit the length of the list. I remember you were having trouble with a similar problem in the FL process for List of 40-plus point games by Kobe Bryant.
 * There is a List of NBA All-Star Game head coaches in my sandbox, but I'm having trouble in finding sources about how they select All-Star coaches in the early years. I don't know whether there is enough information available to make this list an FL, but if there is, we should include this in the FT.
 * What do you think of these ideas? By the way, why does List of Los Angeles Clippers head coaches need to be reviewed again? It's already an FL. — MT (talk) 14:52, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is a good idea. But instead of making List of National Basketball Association head coaches, we can simply expand List of National Basketball Association head coaches with 400 games coached to include all NBA head coach. As for List of Los Angeles Clippers head coaches, nevermind what I said, I thought it isn't FL.— Chris! c / t 19:22, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Both List of NBA championship head coaches and List of current National Basketball Association head coaches will no longer be necessary. Maybe List of NBA All-Star Game head coaches is unnecessary. All-Star coaching selection can be included in List of National Basketball Association head coaches. We will have to add a column to the table though.— Chris! c / t 19:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I like the idea of having a combined list, but I'm concerned about the length of the article. There list currently has 84 entries but there is a total of 293 head coaches in the NBA (excluding ABA). — MT (talk) 03:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Or we could split the list into sublists. For example like List of National Basketball Association head coaches (A–M). But the downside is sorting does not work well and it is hard to have a lead article.— Chris! c / t 22:35, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't like the idea of splitting the list for the reasons you just said. After I done a little research, there is no problem with the number of entries, there is an FL with almost 300 entries. The only problem is the article size. Maybe we should try to add all the coaches first and see whether the list has article size problem. If there is a problem, we could reduce the some of the details on the table. I'll work on adding more coaches gradually in the next few days. — MT (talk) 19:13, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, lets do that first and then see what happens— Chris! c / t 21:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * One more thing before I started adding more head coaches, what should be the default sort order? Alphabetical or number of games coached? I think if it's gonna be a complete list, it should be listed alphabetically. It's better to decide this now and reorder the 84 entries now (if needed) rather than reorder the whole 293 entries. — MT (talk) 02:05, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, the order should be alphabetical.— Chris! c / t 23:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, we should reduce the size of the page as much as possible. I am thinking we should use the 3-letter abbreviation for the team instead of the full name. We would need to add a key though. And we should cut down the number of images used. I think only one should be used in the list.— Chris! c / t 23:37, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree on the images, I've moved Don Nelson's image in the lead as the coach with most wins in NBA history and remove the other images which can be found easily on the teams' head coaches list. However, I don't think we should abbreviate the team name. It would be difficult to understand, even for the readers with NBA knowledge, because most of the abbreviations for the teams' former names and defunct teams' names are not commonly used (such as: NOJ for New Orleans Jazz, SDR for San Diego Rockets, etc). Also, how to abbreviate the original Baltimore Bullets, the other Baltimore Bullets, the original Denver Nuggets and the current Denver Nuggets. Let's just hold on from doing this until the article size issue arise. — MT (talk) 08:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

You may be interested in reading this...
http://www.nba.com/sixers/media/pollack_statistical_guide_2010.pdf — Chris! c / t 22:28, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've notice that a few days ago, but I haven't read it thoroughly. Certainly it's an interesting reading and it could help to improve the NBA articles. — MT (talk) 03:03, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Trey Johnson
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  00:04, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of 2010–11 NBA Development League season
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DYK for 2010–11 NBA Development League season
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Othyus Jeffers
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Taking ownership of the Pacers Pistons Brawl article?
The source says: "Artest was charged with assault and battery for knocking over a Pistons fan, Michael Ryan, who Gorcyca said Artest mistakenly believed had thrown the drink."

The same source clearly mentions punching again and again EXCEPT for referencing Artest's interaction with Ryan. So, for the article to explicitly say that Artest punched Ryan - it is not following the source and for you to keep reverting clearly incorrect and inflammatory claims is not defensible in my view. This should be on the discussion page anyways - why keep reverting to a incorrect version that is in violation of the living persons rules for wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.165.126.217 (talk) 18:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

College basketball master table
Wanted to let you know I updated the entire Master Table at WP:CBBALL. While making your college basketball teams' shortcut template, please be sure to use the correct nicknames for the men's and women's teams, if applicable (e.g. Wyoming Cowboys basketball vs. Wyoming Cowgirls basketball). Thanks again for working on the college bball shortcut template, it will save lots of typing in the future. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:53, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, it helps a lot. Anyway, sorry for the delay, I've been busy editing other articles, but I still work on the college template in my spare time. — MT (talk) 13:15, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Barea
I have made a suggestion to the Barea nationality issue in the "Talk" page and since you are involved in the discussion, I would like your input. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:01, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

List of 2011–12 NBA season transactions
Hi. I've created List of 2011–12 NBA season transactions. It would be great if you can help maintain it. Thanks.— Chris! c / t 18:13, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Sure. I'll be around. I've added it to my watchlist. — MT (talk) 04:44, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Is this List of 2011–12 NBA season transactions section is gonna be used to list all free agents? Since the NBA.com Free Agent Tracker is gone, I think it would worth listing them here. ESPN and HoopsHype could be the source for this. Anyway, just to let you know that HoopsHype Transactions and Euroleague 2011-12 signings would come in handy for players going overseas. — MT (talk) 06:24, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I intend to list all free agents in that section. I started the section by only listing notable ones. Also thanks for those links, they are pretty useful.— Chris! c / t 20:38, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually this link is better: HoopsHype Going Overseas. — MT (talk) 15:20, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Tanguy Ngombo
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DYK nomination of Tanguy Ngombo
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DYK for Tanguy Ngombo
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Template talk:NBA roster header
I left an issue at Template talk:NBA roster header. You might be the person to address it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:54, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Done, but I added the Template:NBA roster list footer to the Template:NBA roster footer instead of the Template:NBA roster header. Anyway the Template:NBA roster list footer used the standard wikitable coding, while the Template:NBA current roster used Template:Navbox, which explains why  doesn't work. Anyway the wikitable coding is pretty simple if you want to modify it. — MT (talk) 15:57, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you do the same thing for Template:WNBA roster template footer.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:58, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. — MT (talk) 18:03, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you solve our problem at Help_desk?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:09, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Done, replied there. Sorry I can't help much with the problem as all templates work fine in my IE8. — MT (talk) 06:52, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Template:NBA roster footer
I see that you added Template:NBA roster list footer to Template:NBA roster footer. This is not good as in older team season articles 1) the teams and divisions might not be relevant 2) a reader would have expectation that it goes to the respective teams roster for that past year as opposed to the current year. —Bagumba (talk) 09:46, 24 August 2011 (UTC)


 * You might want to talk to User:TonyTheTiger about this. I only fulfilled his request in Template talk:NBA roster header and also the section right above this. I admit that I didn't think this through when I added the footer and I agree with you that the footer should not be used in every NBA roster list, especially in historical articles. Perhaps a code like this  for the purpose of showing the footer could help, but I didn't have the skills needed to add the code to the template. — MT (talk) 10:28, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. I've invited him here to centralize the discussion :-) —Bagumba (talk) 16:00, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes if this template is used for past teams and franchises, the footer needs to be placed in the system of templates in a way that it only appears in the current team templates. Also note that the WNBA template works analogously.  We need to make two sets of changes.  I would prefer that the footer were incorporated so that it is included in each of the 30 current team templates rather than the master template.  Same for WNBA.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:04, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I've reverted the changes in the meantime. —Bagumba (talk) 16:52, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about that, I've reverted the addition of the Template:NBA roster list footer to Template:NBA roster footer. After a little modification, the Template:NBA roster list footer can be manually added to the current roster by this edit. I haven't add the footer to every current roster templates, but feel free to do so. — MT (talk) 16:56, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * About the WNBA templates, seems like User:Abontorab99 has modified the templates. His method is a little bit different from what I've done to the NBA templates, but it produce similar results. — MT (talk) 17:01, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have added the footer to all the NBA templates. The Lakers and the Suns have some additional stuff at the bottom that I am not familiar with.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:27, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what you are saying about the WNBA templates. Can you fix them? Do they need to be fixed? Can I replace the templates on individual pages?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:27, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed the Suns and Lakers templates. About the WNBA templates, User:Abontorab99 has made a lot of changes since I added the footer. He removed Template:WNBA roster template footer from the Template:WNBA roster footer. Then, he created Template:WNBA roster footer current that has Template:WNBA roster template footer on the bottom. He then changed every current WNBA roster templates to use Template:WNBA roster footer current. The end result, only current templates has the Template:WNBA roster template footer. — MT (talk) 01:54, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * What is the motivation to have essentially a navbox for every roster? Another side-effect is a page like List of current Western Conference NBA team rosters, where it gets listed repeatedly.  If I'm looking at a team article, is there a big demand to navigate to a specific team roster?  Why is the NBA navbox in each article not sufficient? Why a nav box in middle of a article?  Sorry to clutter Martin's talk page with this.  Perhaps you want to bring this to WT:NBA.—Bagumba (talk) 21:05, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * List of current Western Conference NBA team rosters is a non-standard wikification that this footer in a sense makes obsolete. There is almost nowhere on wikipedia where stacked templates is considered proper wikification.  The question is if you have chosen to look at one roster box, might you want to look at others. One common way I look at rosters is as rosters are being formed, I want to see if my guys made the roster. If I have 5 rookies I want to check, then having a way to go back and forth is a big improvement.  What are the reasons why people look at the roster navbox who have navigated to a team page?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm indifferent about the addition of these footer, but I believe that for regular readers, a link to an article is far better than a link to a template. — MT (talk) 01:54, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If there were really an article. I wonder what they would say at WP:FLC, if you stacked a couple dozen templates and called it a list.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:17, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't mean a link to List of current Western Conference NBA team rosters, I also dislike that so called "list". I mean a link to Dallas Mavericks instead of to Template:Dallas Mavericks, but similar links already there at the bottom in the Template:National Basketball Association so it might be considered redundant. I believe a reader would be interested in more than just a template of roster when they click the links in the footer. This is just my opinion based from my experience before I became a regular contributor in wikipedia. That time, I always got confused when I clicked a link that brought me to a template and I always wondered what is this "template" and why are there is nothing to read. Anyway, I think it's better to bring this to WT:NBA, where more people can discuss this. — MT (talk) 03:35, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Linking to templates is not that optimal either.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:06, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, I just realized that you can't navigate from Template:Dallas Mavericks roster to the Dallas Mavericks article. I believe this is essential for navigation if readers are starting to use the links in the footer. — MT (talk) 03:40, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know why people are not formatting template headers so that they are linkable.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:06, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I tried to add team link to the header, but the colors became really messed up. I don't have the skills needed to fix this, we might need an expert help on this. — MT (talk) 04:41, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for 1952 NBA All-Star Game
Materialscientist (talk) 23:13, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK nom for 2011–12 NBA Development League season
Hi Martin, I have reviewed your nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/2011–12 NBA Development League season and there is an issue with the hook fact. Could you check my comments at the nomination and reply there? Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:24, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for 2011–12 NBA Development League season
Materialscientist (talk) 16:02, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:CBBALL discussion
Before making wholesale changes on certain types of navboxes at WikiProject College Basketball, we'd like to get some other editors' feedback. If you feel so inclined, there's a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball which could use some input from editors such as yourself. Thanks. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:46, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of 50/80cc Motorcycle World Champions/archive1
Hey, as someone who is involved in editing motorcycle articles, I was wondering if you could spare a few minutes and leave a few comments at the FLC for this list. It could do with a review so it would be greatly appreciated if you could leave a few comments their. Cheers NapHit (talk) 19:15, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up, I haven't been monitoring FLC for awhile. I'll do a review as soon as I have some spare time. — MT (talk) 03:20, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Flag icons in NBA articles
Hello. There is a discussion at MOS:ICON here concerning the use of flag icons in articles like Dallas Mavericks all-time roster. I thought you might like to know so you can participate if you want. SQGibbon (talk) 18:25, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Dallas Mavericks all-time roster
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DYK for Dallas Mavericks all-time roster
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 03:07, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for 2002 Grand Prix motorcycle racing season
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for List of NBA players with most championships
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 13 December 2011 (UTC)