User talk:Martinevans123/Archive 15

Happy First Edit Day!
 Happy First Edit Day! Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:39, 3 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Ta, Birthday Committee. That's reet gradely. Seems like more than thirteen years ago.Martinevans123 (talk) 12:10, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
lovely exchange of ideas all the time, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Gerda. Well, perhaps.
 * "I had a monumental idea this morning, but I didn’t like it." -- Samuel Goldwyn.
 * Martinevans123 (talk) 12:32, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * but I like it ;) - I had an idea yesterday, to create an article, and found that it existed, and was created - yesterday! Stonecrop Gardens, pics by me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:30, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ha, quite a coincidence! Some lovely pictures. I think the pink ones may be Phlox paniculata and the small yellow/orange ones Tagetes, maybe Tagetes patula? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:46, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. I asked Menerke bloem who has flower in his user name. There are a few more on the commons, feel free to look there, too. Also at my calendar pics. I know many flowers by German name, but neither Latin nor English, - all help appreciated. I also need help for the translation of today's topic Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:10, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I see he already has an article. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:27, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * yes, and his sister-in-law is on the Main page, so now to the song and album, and a translation of just the title, or rather "Schmuddelkinder", - the rest is fairly common stuff. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:42, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * GoogleTranslate produces flithy? But the autotranslate on Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern gives dirty, while The Times obit for Degenhardt here gives just grubby. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:15, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, took grubby. Do you have access to the whole article? Could you check if it has some more useful for the article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Alas, not. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Gerry Marsden

 * Thanks. "Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying" on the The Ed Sullivan Show (3 May 1964). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Chronology (Bryn Haworth album)


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 * Seems a shame in terms of complete discography coverage. When this was issued, in 1989, he's already issued 10 different albums. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:29, 12 January 2021 (UTC) Good Job the others are safe.

Nice ...
... to have you back. Now, have you got my back? – Sca (talk) 17:59, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Just for you..... compete with extract from "Volume 17: Jet and Piston Engine Aeroplane from Abbey Road’s collection"!! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I looked at that 'back' one. How amateurish. Sca (talk) 19:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Suddenly you've become popular at ITN/C. Soon the paparazzi will be after you. – Sca (talk) 13:52, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * But don't tell anyone. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:53, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hyphens or dashes in aircraft designations
Regarding your edit summary question, your edits were right: all aircraft designations are hyphens, not dashes and not mdashes or ndashes, either. - Ahunt (talk) 20:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Cheers, Adam. Many thanks for the note. It was just a hunch. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * - Ahunt (talk) 21:20, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Peach palaver
I've heard it said that Nietzsche is pietzsche. – Sca (talk) 17:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)


 * It had to be done. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:03, 15 January 2021 (UTC) nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya 'Bout the raising of the wrist. Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed....
 * Also, heard that Frank Zappa was a mother. – Sca (talk) 17:11, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I heard he was a real mutha! Marty "Guitar" Evans123 (talk) 17:13, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Better than Dale, anyway – and that's saying a lot right there, Pard'. – Sca (talk) 17:22, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, they do call me the "Superman Lover". Allegedly. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:30, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Funky. I thought you'd be into something more upbeat – something you can move your shoes to. – Sca (talk) 17:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ooh, nice mix there! But if I had to choose one live performance, that's pretty much inch perfect all round.... I guess I'd have to choose this one from Montreux 1969. Benny Bailey's two trumpet breaks are just off the scale. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Truth be told, YT is not a big fan of the horn, though with some exceptions (from Handel to, say, Jan Garbarek). And there's something about the word Trumpet that just bothers me. Do you know about a word game called Lexulous? Don't bother with Wiki's lousy article about it. I'll send an email. – Sca (talk) 18:40, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Er, ahem, excuse me. Speaking from a totally dispassionate and professional position of No-COI-What-Me-Guv-Nah I wish to say that there is nothing bothersome about the word Trumpet as such. Indeed 99% of all rational, reasonable people would agree that it is among the most beautiful words in the language. When you start knocking letters off the far end, sure, there is a problem starting to develop. But trumpet? Nah, lovely DBaK (talk) 23:51, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * DBaK, I can't help feeling that you're blowing your own trumpet here. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:10, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Guilty. I admit everything. DBaK (talk) 20:44, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * How do we feel about the word Trumpery, then? – Sca (talk) 00:19, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Our level of negativity about the similarity between Certain Words and Certain Other Words is off the scale. It's as if the world has carefully dreamt up a PR disaster for the trumpet-playing community, from which it could take decades to recover ... sigh ... DBaK (talk) 17:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * c/o You-Tuba: this.... teehee, or even.... thisMartinevans123 (talk) 17:25, 18 January 2021 (UTC) p.s. and in case you've never seen it... "Life Accordion To Trump" is highly recommended.
 * Beginning today, the new buzzword is detrumpification (possibly coined by Anthony Scaramucci) . – Sca (talk) 14:53, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah yes. As in "Scaramucci, Scaramucci, will you do the Fandango"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:08, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Although speaking as a detached and wholly unbiased professional, I was most gratified to see trumpets featuring quite heavily in the detrumpification, including a moment by a mate, to whom, now he's even famouser, I shall shortly start sending begging letters, requests for endorsements etc etc ... DBaK (talk) 17:50, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * All we have currently is the New Zealand footballer? Looking forward to Category:American inaugural trumpeters.  Martinevans123 (talk) 18:41, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

WP 20
Happy Wikipedia 20, - proud of a little bit on the Main page today, and 5 years ago, and 10 years ago, look: create a new style - revive - complete! I sang in the revival mentioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:55, 15 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Gerda. And I've only managed about 14 of those!! "Where you from, Evans?" Martinevans123 (talk) 18:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * from Wales - Osian Ellis will be tomorrow's topic, go ahead I'm tired, made a FAC, imagine --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:05, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Gerda. Here he is with Handel's Allegro, from 1962. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * my favourite Evans, Martin being a close second, before Linda ---Sluzzelin talk  23:19, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Sluzzelin. Just beautiful. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:22, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Back to Ellis, should we try ITNN, or would you want to expand? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:27, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * He now shares the Main page with a pic I took - thank you for the personal touch that you added to his article! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * An interesting video about him here. Copyright status unclear. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Admin
Ever thought about running for admin? I have looked at your block log and the one about sockpuppetry is a little concerning, but I'm willing to hear your explanation before rejecting you as a candidate. You've been around more than long enough to have a clue, and making mistakes along the way is fine as long as they are learnt from. Mjroots (talk) 09:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I'll think it over. Mjroots, I'm seriously flattered that you should use the A-word here. My block log makes interesting reading, including the multiple instances of sockpuppetry (only some of which were actually me!) Not being an Admin is one of the few things that keeps me here! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:23, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Split?
Ha! You just beat me to it ... we had an just as I was restoring the para break. Cheers! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 10:18, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It happens. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * and this was bound to happen.


 * I'm surprised Boris hasn't tried to sell us an oven-ready tunnel. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 12:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, he is known to support this proposal. He loves BIG projects but is yet to complete one. What gets me, is that he never answers a question.


 * I think he sees himself as "the new Churchill". It's a shame he's a complete waste of space. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 12:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * His spell as Boris Johnson was the giddy limit. especially relating to Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe. He makes me so angry.

January 2021
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 * If only I could remember what I wrote. What did Earwig say? Thanks so much for the threat of a block. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:08, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Gerry Cottle

 * Thanks, anyway. Reminds me, sadly, of The Great Valerio Martinevans123 (talk) 15:54, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Osian Ellis

 * Many thanks, Spencer. Denbigh County School football team's loss was our gain, it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:26, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Couldn't believe he had no article in German. Now he does. Could you link that on Wikidata, please. It doesn't let me sign on. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:32, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ... nor Adeney (my article #4), Aronowitz (#5) and Weil (#6)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:34, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Same problem for some reason. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:40, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * today see blue Vision pictured (not by me), with Arik Brauer in the news, so art in Vienna twice --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ... and today Jerome Kohl, remembered in friendship --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, well worth remembering. Thanks Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:33, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Mikhail Lebedev
We urgently need a Wikipedia article on the famous neuorscientist, Mikhail Lebedev. Can you please finish the article on Mikhail Lebedev this weekend? It needs to be nominated as a good or featured article within 30 days. I Already started. Please see Draft:Mikhail Lebedev (neuorscientist). — Preceding unsigned comment added by LotteryGeek (talk • contribs) 01:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Loving his landcapes with cortical ensemble adaptations! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:26, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

LOL (switched from Laura Mvula talk!)
I was going to reply to you but thought maybe I'd upset the more uptight editor-types putting a personal note on a bio talk page... :-) You are one of my fave Wikipedians and I always know the voice of reason is around when you're editing... Cheers! --gobears87 (talk) 23:53, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, gobears, that's very nice to know, thanks so much. Yes, I know the type. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:59, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Quick question: you might check my recent edit on a certain talk page... is there a place to complain somewhere about overly aggressive editing? I've been editing 12 years and it seems to get worse and worse, so many people who are trying to find some source of self-worth from aggressive comments and/or edits. I wish it was easier to nip in the bud - things used to be more courteous around here! Cheers :-) --gobears87 (talk) 21:52, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Well there's always WP:AN or (as it is also commonly known) "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate". But I'll try and take a look. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:59, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * FWIW after the editor left a personal attack on my talk page I just bailed out. Not worth the angst... sadly. --gobears87 (talk) 04:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * p.s. oh geeez, seen the [facepalm] IP address comment & had to look and I see I am not the only one facing issues, though yours seem far more benign (lucky you!) --gobears87 (talk) 04:31, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Wow. "Now, I don't know who pissed in your Wheaties..." ... "...you need to spank your inner child..." What a charming individual. That looks a little over the top to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:38, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm just a bit troubled by this Wheaties thing. I hope you didn't eat them afterwards, Martin? It all sounds a bit unhygienic. I don't know what you Young People get up to these days, I really don't. Yours in bafflement, DBaK (talk) 21:05, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * "Listen to Iron Maiden, maybe." Wheaties? Fields of wheat? Wheatus? Who knows, it's all the same to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:12, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Only the cream of the crop, I'm sure! --Tryptofish (talk) 23:28, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah!! To Die! Before the harvest...!!".Martinevans123 (talk) 23:38, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Dine
I have now changed the ariticle using the old photos--Lexprofi (talk) 09:28, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Lexprofi. Thanks for expanding the article. Your additions have more than doubled its size. As I wrote in my edit summary of 27 January, however, your re-write contravenes WP:MOS, in terms of layout of the lead section. Also, you've made no edit summaries to explain what you've done, so other editors may be a bit confused. I'd urge you to open a new section at Talk:Jim Dine to briefly explain what you've done. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:54, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds like you want them to dine-out. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:40, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Trypto, you can dine out on that joke for years to come. Well yeah, you know, dine out, or maybe, um butt out! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:22, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Or both. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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 * Many thanks User:Rodw for clearing all those up! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:13, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * There were a few which are unclear - tagged with dab needed if you can help.&mdash; Rod talk 09:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, of course. I will have a look. My blanket linking was hardly very careful. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Hugh Dennis
Hi there - just wanted to quickly thank you for cleaning up my additional anecdote about Hugh Dennis' name-changing debacle. I went and forth between about two or three different ways of wording the sentence and ended up getting mixed up between them all and ended up with something near-incomprehensible (as you know full well!) - thank you for clearing up my mess. Greatly appreciated. Afreoleidddra (talk) 09:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries. Glad we have got it sorted. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:59, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Hah-way tha Jocks!
Yay!! 6–11: what a home nations opener. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:37, 6 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Hooray!! 21–16: What a first test try. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:09, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

On familiar terms?
Did you mean "lamebrain"? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 12:05, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It's my eyesight, doctor, honest. That was, in fact my very rude meat puppet twin-brother. I did apologise. I do hope Lmabian doesn't take offence. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:15, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

My Boy Lollipop
Dear Mr. Evans, you have deleted my mention about the group “Musicbox” cover version of “My Boy Lollipop”. Because I never published anything before on Wikipedia I am not fully aware of their rules and regulations. Maybe you are so kind to help me edit my contribution that it becomes “eligible” for you to be published. The background: During my late thirties ( I am now 71) and always interested in music, I co-produced the German group Musicbox. Their album: ‘The First Project’ was recorded at Music Park Studios in Bad Homburg, Germany with the help of notable musicians Harry Baierl (Boney M, Milli Vanilli) Michael Wyn (Nosferatu) and mixed by Frank Fahrian's Sound Engineer R. Tammy Grohe. After listening to our demos in London, Virgin A&R Manager Muff Winwood (Spencer Davies Group) told me that he would like, but could not publish the song because they had just purchased the original rights. He recommended Canadian record company DINO Music which during Midem 1997 accepted to produce and publish an LP, a single and one of the first Cd’s ever for the German-speaking market. They also produced two Music videos and organized several radio and television appearances of Musicbox. Their version of the song was particularly successful because of the “Mickey Mouse” voice of singer Kali(mero). The LP sold about 20.000 units, CD sales have been marginal. The German Music publication “Der Musikmarkt” featured Musicbox with a story. Thank you for your attention and consideration. Respectfully Thomas Martin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.61.224.100 (talk) 16:39, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Thomas. Thanks very much for your note and all that background information. The answer is quite simple, to be generally notable at Wikipedia we'd expect to have an article called "Musicbox (German band)", or something similar. I looked but could not find one, even at German Wikipedia. Would you care to write one (for English Wikipedia)? But even if you did, I have to warn you that their version of "My Boy Lollipop” might not be deemed "notable enough" to be mentioned at the song article, unless it has been mentioned in numerous reliable sources, e.g. magazine reviews or books on German pop music, etc. Does that make the situation clearer for you? Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:48, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Dear Martin,I apreciate your fast answer and advice. I will think about writing an article about the group but for me, the songs had much more importance than the group. I grew up in the sixties and I think we produced very decent covers- in comparison to a lot of others. Would you like to receive a voice file? It's very difficult to get material from 1987, the internet was not developed. Anyhow, nice talking to you. I learned something today! Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.61.224.100 (talk) 17:38, 11 February 2021 (UTC)


 * You are very welcome. It's a bit of an odd situation to have a song that's more notable that the group, although I suppose this does happen for unknown bands that record the first version of a song, or for those that are "one-hit wonders". In this case, of course, the original by Millie is certainly the best known one in the UK. Please feel free to send me a voice file if you wish. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:47, 11 February 2021 (UTC) p.s. the best place any new article or first mention might be over at de.wiki? They do at least have de:My Boy Lollipop already.

Thank you very much 217.61.224.100 (talk) 16:38, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Brian Eno/Pigeon Keeping
Thanks for fixing that, I wasn't paying attention and did not realized I only removed the source, not the content! Beach drifter (talk) 19:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Almost believable. A very sly vandal. Quite discrete really. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:47, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Innisfree Garden
Did you know that I do my daily exercise now of converting refs for Stockhausen's works - today Adieu of all titles - in memory of Jerome Kohl? Another one who died on the Main page today, Vera Wülfing-Leckie, - a red link in the Deaths list, imagine. I went to the garden some great day in October 1996, remembered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, a beautiful picture. I imagine this a bit like how the Garden of Eden must have looked, before the serpent's flash mob moved in. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * pic not by me, but I made contact to the one who took it today - DYK that I took one of the scene - small, on paper - in 1996, enjoying a day there with friends and kids, the kids now married ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:00, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * "Time flies".... and those Foos would say. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:04, 11 February 2021 (UTC) .... "Italian choral version"
 * aspects of life (subject of my first article) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:14, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * That's very interesting.... "Glittereyed, his rufous skull close to his greencapped desklamp sought the face bearded amid darkgreener shadow, an ollav, holyeyed. He laughed low: a sizar's laugh of Trinity: unanswered." ... as old JJ might say. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:25, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * He composed some JJ, DYK? (Bulbulone (Finnegans Wake) - Arise (Chamber Music # 14) - Buzzard (Finnegans Wake)) - Today: two people on the Main page, Arik Brauer and Andréa Guiot. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Haha, I did not DYK that! How very ironic. Thanks for telling me. "Sláinte!" Martinevans123 (talk) 22:17, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

One point winner!!
24-25. Woo-hoo!! Two of the best tries ever. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:55, 13 February 2021 (UTC)


 * ... sounds even better in French!! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Liam Neeson
Hi, If you have time, could you check recent edits to the article. Thanks (have to work!!!). Denisarona (talk) 10:56, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * If I can. Thanks (have to volunteer!!!). Martinevans123 (talk) 10:58, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Harry dunn crash site.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/01/04/15/22984672-7851451-Supporters_of_Harry_Dunn_gather_outside-a-75_1578152777209.jpg Stephenfryfan (talk) 19:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Um, WP:DAILYMAIL, but would be copyvio anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:51, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, hello

 * Hi Martin,
 * I have popped back into clarify the Keats/Harrow question. I wondered if you might be able to archive the Keats talk page from start to around 2010. Most of the earlier chat isn't very relevant to the current article, and the page has never had sections archived before. I've been away too long to remember how to do it. If it's a faff, no worries. It's hardly vital.
 * About the Plath stamp question, opening up a 'popular influence' section etc seems to me to be an open invitation for it to be filled with all sorts of tosh. Not sure the stamp is that significant. I would tend to go for lean articles, but happy to defer to your judgement. I hope you are doing well and enjoying the WP life. Stay safe and well. Anna (talk) 03:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Anna,
 * I hope you are well. Thanks for popping back. Have done a manual archive. Do you think that's enough? Re postage stamps:
 * "I love people. Everybody. I love them, I think, as a stamp collector loves his collection." — Sylvia Plath, The Unabridged Journals of Sylvia Plath Haha. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:45, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Perfect. Thanks. I've tried to add a bit of clarity to the Keats legacy conversion question. Do you know the source for the historical currency gizmo? I don't think that was around when I was a lass. There is large discrepancy (£100 000) between the gimzo figure for the legacy and the National Archive estimate.
 * I have to say that when I pop back, I am amazed how close these original articles are to 12 years ago. I always assume they will have got trashed (esp the referencing), not no, not much. With big names, like Keats, they are generally improved. The WP system seems to me nuts, these days - incredibly time-intensive, so it's heartening to see a lot of personal work improved and remaining as it was referenced in the Keats article (2009-2012 ish, me surrounded by stacks of biographies from the library). Something is working somewhere. I suspect it is you. Lol.
 * Since I stopped editing at WP my eye problems are much better. It's a shame to have moved on, as I loved the writing of new articles in particular but the coding is just a killer - trying to spot a missing bracket. I now run a large neighbourhood network, and the experience of watching the WP community battle itself has been invaluable; if only for the toughening of skin. When you have been attacked for years on WP as a Romanian fascist, a Russian spy, a Grammar Nazi, a Mosad agent, British govt minister, homophobic ring leader etc etc, not much can touch you. It has stood me in good stead to understand the ways of the fearful (online) heart. It's also helped me greatly improve my writing skills and source analysis. Though I still can't spell.
 * Of the hundreds of poetry articles I overhauled, wrote or rewrote, I think John is closest to my heart. So, thank you for your care of him. He lived a few doors up from the house where I grew up (so to speak), so I think of him as eccentric neighbour in need of TLC and good cake. x Anna (talk) 07:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Anna. Thanks for your note and your valuable copy edits over at John Keats. I have no idea of the source for the historical currency gizmo! There's more info at Template:Inflation. That's quite a collection of accusations you have there! I'm now wondering where that Keats residence was, haha. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:14, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

You're Gonna Get Your Fucking Head Kicked In
Hi Martin. I noticed you have shown interest in You're Gonna Get Your Fucking Head Kicked In. Would you be interested in adding your opinion on Articles for deletion/You're Gonna Get Your Fucking Head Kicked In please?  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 12:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi God Save. I may consider it. Although I have already made a suitably agricultural comment. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:40, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I saw the section header and had a moment of concern for you. But I trust your head is still OK. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:49, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Well thanks for the concern. I've not exactly had a flood of enquiries in the past 6 hours. I think we can safely assume that The C of E, God Save the Queen! hasn't got specially dressed for the occasion. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:00, 17 February 2021 (UTC) (... and after 14 years on Wiki....heads can get damaged anyway!)
 * Oh good. But we have a limited-time discount for ECT if you should need it. (Or plumbing if it's that other kind of "head".) --Tryptofish (talk) 20:05, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah thank you, WMF. Sounds like a real bargain. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:08, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * That would be Doctor Ratched to you! Harumph, harumph! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:12, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Lol. Thanks for the selection. I chose this one! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

ANI
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:24, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for telling me. I thought we had manged to avert this. But maybe time to take the bull by the horns. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:38, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I didn't see it when it first happened, because it had already been reverted, but... yikes. I would have (figuratively!) kicked that person's effing head in. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:18, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I have to admit that I just LOL-ed. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:22, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Oxford
Hi Martin, if you have a UK public library membership, your card number might give you access to many interesting Oxford publications, including Who's Who. -- DeFacto (talk). 14:08, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi De Factory. Thanks for the note. Yes, I think I did try that with my local library card number. It does work for ODNB, although not for Who's Who. But I'll double check. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:19, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You are very welcome. I enjoyed the link too. I'm glad the author of my previous misnomer here didn't also provide an illustrative link. -- DeFacto (talk). 14:55, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * "Hi nigger! DON'T pretend to be more reliable than the Sun newspaper. You made truth redundant. Thanks." Martinevans123 (talk) 14:58, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oxford recognises my library number, but access to the bio for "Captain Sir Thomas Moore", which is featured as the "What's New" on the front page, is not allowed. The FEATURED person is Lord Cashman and access to his bio is free. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:07, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You'll have to lobby your local council to give more of your money that they are saving by having the libraries closed to Oxford Reference. -- DeFacto (talk). 16:32, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, probably better than a ritual bonfire. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:40, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

The Bludgeon Brothers?

 * Isaac is an honest Jewish man, but he recently found out his son converted to Christianity. This is no good, for Isaac is a devout observant Jew. This shouldn’t happen to a proud Jew like he.
 * So Isaac visits his friend Albert and says "Albert, Albert, my son has become a Christian, what am I going to do?"
 * "Funny you should say that’ says Albert, "My son has also become a Christian, this should not happen to a proud, devout Jew like me. So they talk with each other and say "we'll talk to the Rabbi, he'll know what to do."
 * So the two Jews visit the Rabbi and say "Rabbi, Rabbi, our sons have become Christian, what are we going to do?"
 * "Funny you should say that," says the Rabbi, "My son has also become a Christian, this should not happen to a proud, devout Jew of my status." So the three men talk with each other and say "we'll ask God, he'll know what to do!"
 * So the Rabbi calls out "God, God, our sons have become Christian, what are we going to do?"
 * Suddenly a bright celestial light shines through the clouds and the thunderous voice of God rings out:
 * "Funny you should say that..."
 * -- Martinevans123 (talk) 23:39, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Twelve Stops and Home
Truly wonderful guitar break break from Kevin Jeremiah. Reminds me of that other band. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:00, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * :-) :-) :-) --gobears87 (talk) 04:23, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Redacting
Regarding your edit at WT:ITN, typically you should follow WP:REDACT when modifying your comments if someone has already replied to them. No big, I just deleted my reply. In other cases, it might not be so elegant. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 09:57, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I had considered that. I wasn't convinced it was worth the effort, sorry. I guess if folks are interested they will just click on the link anyway. I took your comment as a clarification rather than a "reply". Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:08, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

February flowers
Today, we have a DYK about Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The Greens in Germany was a great idea. Well done Wilhelm. I have a great deal of respect for Our Greens, and particularly for Caroline Lucas, who is one of the few British politicians who seems to have a working brain. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:29, 26 February 2021 (UTC)


 * And it's not easy being Green! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:44, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, Gerda. As you know, I'm a big fan! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:47, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * had Grünkohl for dinner ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:56, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah yes. Very tasty. My favourite ... Echte Spinat! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

40-24
Sheeeeed-eeeeeey!!, Sheeeeed-eeeeeey!!!! And well-deserved Man of the Match. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:40, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Amateur Hour.ogg
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 * Have replaced at Amateur Hour (song) with a copyright-compliant video of full song. Not sure the clip can be justified at Kimono My House, so may have to be removed. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:38, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Dydd Gŵyl Dewi Hapus!
Hi Martin, hope that you're well. Dydd Gŵyl Dewi Hapus! JezGrove (talk) 11:44, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Cheers Jez! Still celebrating from Saturday, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:18, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Of course! Have a Double Dragon for me! JezGrove (talk) 12:47, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

March flowers
Today: Carmen for TFA (on my request), with Bizet's music "expressing the emotions and suffering of his characters" as Brian worded it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * A big up to Beyoncé!! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:53, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * you made me smile --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * watch today Skylla and Charybdis (Waterhouse), please, see talk - if you want to listen: link on my talk, together with my first DYK, and one for the composer's 50th birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:49, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:03, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I listened live, and can still call it, - with one piece dedicated to the memory of a Welsh composer, Dafydd Llywelyn, I think I mentioned that, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * today (IWD): MMMM with a reference to Carmen again --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:28, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hattie: you probably talk to the Master. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * All very mysterious. It seems I didn't realise that "adding unsourced material" actually means "Are readers considered so dense they need the same information repeating two paragraphs later?" Martinevans123 (talk) 11:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Not mysterious at all. El C, archive 20. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That's very cryptic, Gerda. I was mightily disappointed to be awarded only 7 face palms. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:49, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Probably not worth looking, but there, the IP I met - looking similar - requested me to not thank for the TFA. No facepalm in sight. I said several times I wish he'd edit under his real name. Did you know that The Rite of Spring will be TFA on 6 April? Remember the discussion growing before and during arbinfobox? All . --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:33, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Spam of antidepressants articles
In regard to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fluoxetine&curid=10153680&diff=1010264578&oldid=1010264498. The same IP also spammed Sertraline, Venlafaxine, Serotonin–norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, and Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor with exactly the same text. I reverted some of it but really do not want to engage into an edit war. Can there be some kind of admin remedy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Sceptical Chymist (talk • contribs) 16:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Hmm. The sources look good:   Irving Kirsch has an article. So, it's well-thought-out and not vandalism. But it does look like spamming and editing against consensus. Best to discuss at one of the article Talk pages, to which the IP can be invited, but not sure which one. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:43, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

I've opened a thread at Talk:Venlafaxine. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:56, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Texas Boom!!
"I love the way you walk, I love the way you talk, not sure about after the landing." It did all look like something from Gerry Anderson: "... and I feel I should warn you, it ends rather abruptly!" --Martinevans123 (talk) 20:27, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * John Lee Hooker is indeed awesome. I watched the video of his song, that you linked to, and I'm particularly impressed with how he sang without moving his lips. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:32, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, yes, Billy and Dusty not exactly leaping about either were they. Mr. Hooker obviously missed his vocation. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 4 March 2021 (UTC) Very glad you enjoyed that video. Really not sure why Frosty the Snowman gets a copyright credit in the "SHOW MORE" section!?

Regarding Malaysian Airlines 370 Article
I have seen you twice reverted by changes to the article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_disappearance_theories, could you please explain whats wrong with it. While I am new to Wikipedia, so if I am talking to you at wrong place please let me know that too. I tried to add value to the MH370 article. Today Mh370 completed 7 years of disappearance, and I found this great article so considered it good to mention this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adityamilyin (talk • contribs) 14:52, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Adityamilyin. Thanks for your note. The best place to discuss your addition is over at Talk:Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappearance theories. I had to repair the article as you had tried to added an unnecessary subsection heading at the top. But I also have doubts about the source you used and the claims it makes. Other editors may wish to discuss it. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:20, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, well everything is misinformation considering the fact that the MH370 investigation never gave a conclusion, on to the point of me not mentioning sources, well I am new to Wikipedia, please advice how to properly do that, first of all I clearly mentioned that Ministry of Malaysia was still investigating the prospect of a possible atempt to make a call, and it is true that Co-Pilot's cell phone briefly connected to a tower. Secondly you mentioned the subsection, okay may be I should have added it as a part of some other section itself rather than creating a new section, it is clearly in the ATC records that Ho Chi Minh called after 18 minutes, while the internation rule is to do it within 5 minutes. And internation rules also say that a fighter jet should be close to the aircraft within 20 minutes, in case of a potential threat and loss communications. This is standard rule, it has happened with Helios Flight 522 too. The standard rule was not followed, and that too is in government records. The url I mentioned was just because I found the explanation of that URL really good and precise, else I have mentioned that the 18 minute delay was from ATC, and it is genreally known that no fighter jet was known, and the Wikipedia article had already mentioned that the inital searches werre in South China sea, but that information further just explained that if INMARSAT was used early possible debris could be found. Weather reports of same time also show that 2 cyclones happened in its approx crash location. Also, we do not have direct link for the government records, it is public but not directly available on internet, and weather report if you want I can add, by finding it from internet, nothing has been cooked up by me, and I mentioned that site, because the text I added in wikipedia was a direct copy paste from that site, https://mily in.com/mh370-update-2021-what-happened-to-mh370-mystery/#11 the heading that says "Was the MH370 Shot down? Or was there any country that wanted to revenge?" has the exact text used in the wikipedia edit of mine, while it isnt a source, it definitely is a great explanation, also there is no need for worrying about plaigarism, I have the permission from the owner of that site to use the text here. Please suggest what I can do to get my edit back. Looking forward to your reply. Will Weather report, and removing subheading be enough? Adityamilyin (talk) 18:04, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Adityamilyin, the best place to discuss your addition is over at Talk:Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappearance theories. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:18, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

an old pal
I came across this when I noticed the editor disruptively editing some women's health articles. They are not as new as they seem. Thought you may want to know. CUPIDICAE💕 17:03, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah. Thanks for that. The same tiny, gnomic and seemingly pointless edits, supported by nearly incomprehensible rambling and overly-complicated explanations? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:38, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Pretty much. Yep. I told him if they were going to sock they should probably work on being more coherent. Why they've chosen to mess up articles related to women's health with their nonsense, I haven't got a clue. CUPIDICAE💕  17:46, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I must admit, I am also somewhat baffled. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:00, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * And now indef bocked as a sockpuppet of Whalestate. What a complete waste of time that all was. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:23, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yup. I'm a little disappointed it took that long. CUPIDICAE💕  19:06, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Tedder
No, not "lol". You know these are not acceptable sources. This does not confirm "Some tedders have the rotating tines enclosed inside a solid structure to increase the force applied to the hay" or that the two you mentioned are similar to...similar to what? The YouTube videos don't confirm the text (and there are no words, and it's YouTube videos, etc), and so even if they were somehow reliable they don't source the text. Come on--this is silly. Drmies (talk) 19:01, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the videos not only provide ample evidence that these machines exist, but also do a very good job of showing how they work. I'm also pretty sure that acceptable textual sources will be available somewhere. I expect, just like me, you're already busy looking for them. Until they can be located, I guess small adjustments to the text and/or adding back in tags would be perfectly acceptable. I'd have to agree with you that that source is not a very useful one, so I've removed it. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:16, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Martin, that they exist doesn't mean anything, you know that. No I'm not looking for stuff. I already wrote the article, and dedicated it to User:tedder, and I think I did a pretty good job. I see on the talk page that you showed an interest in this in 2010 already--surely ten years of research should suffice for finding acceptable sources. Drmies (talk) 22:07, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Dr. Mies, Very sorry I've scored such low marks after a full ten ten years. I must have got distracted. So, you "already wrote the article"? My hearty congratulations. Please dispense with any links to problematic videos that might mess up your dedication. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:17, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Uhh oh, what am I trouble for now? And can I use my username as a citation? tedder (talk) 03:56, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm the one in trouble, Ted, for not doing my haymaking homework for the last 10 years. I think you can use it, as long as it doesn't involve a YouTube video. I feel so out of condition. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:35, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

7-48
Rees-Lightnin' does it again! Scusate gli Azzurri, meritate di averne di più! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:18, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:02, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Looking forward to Super Saturday.


 * Yes indeed. Rees-Zammit is joint leading try-scorer. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:12, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

About the F-16 WIKI page
The current wiki page about F-16's climb rate is completely wrong: It says the F-16C block50 has only 254m/s climb rate at sea level, and the source is its flight manual. However, I am not seeing any "254m/s" from its flight manual. However the manual proves that it sustains a 1200ft/sec (370m/s) climb rate even in a 4.2G ascending turn, which means it can sustain even higher rate in straight line climb! https://i.postimg.cc/hthftrg7/Figure-B8-37-F-16-C-block50-supplement-manual.png Please let me correct this, otherwise it's misleading and will cause under-estimation of F-16's performance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldtimesake (talk • contribs) 00:40, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You need to discuss this at Talk:General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

I posted and I am waiting for your response: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon#F-16C_block50%27s_climb_rate_is_not_254m%2Fs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldtimesake (talk • contribs) 01:09, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Sad news
Very sorry to hear of the loss of Yoninah, who always seemed to me to be the essence of good sense and friendly collaboration. I'm posting this tune, from Luca Sestak, in her memory: Martinevans123 (talk) 22:07, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, great music. I posted Psalm 84, pictured on my talk. How lovely is your dwelling place. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, the guy's a genius. He's 26! He was playing perfect boogie-woogie to millions at the age of 11. He now shows that he also has amazing musical imagination. A lot like that other jazz piano genius. Yoninah was a great editor. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:54, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * She was. We wrote the psalm article together, made hundreds of DYKs together (often not agreeing), - my name is 40 times on her present (truncated) talk, DYK? Look for "touching the world of angels". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * "Touching the World of Angels is not a book about death, but about life – the precious, oh-so-elusive vision we all seek, consciously or subconsciously, to make sense of our existence." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:04, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Profound words. And let's not forget the rest of us fallen angels (I assume this must be from the 2007 "Remastered & Expanded", Max Bennett on wonderful bass) ... footnotes. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:17, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * After nobody did, I wrote for the Signpost. - Today: Bach's cantata composed for today, - perhaps listen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:52, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * ... and the first performance was on a Palm Sunday which is today, and Yoninah's obituary with the beginning of Passover today - putting some little ego-battles in perspective --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

James Watt
@Martinevans123, I'd like to expand upon James Watt's work on factious airs. There are several important contributions in the carbon monoxide space that should be mentioned on Watt's page. The page is protected, but it appears you have previous administered revisions. What is the best way to go about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SloppyTots (talk • contribs) 02:07, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi SloppyTots, yes James Watt is semi-protected. You can use Template:Edit semi-protected at Talk:James Watt. But you might want to look at WP:AUTOCONFIRM - you need to have an account that is at least 4 days old and has made at least 10 edits to the encyclopedia. Meanwhile I have now seen your edits under Talk:James Watt, so I will have a look if I can help. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Reference
Hi, do you have a reference for the pronunciation you added here? Thanks. ElAhrairah inspect damage ⁄berate 18:16, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello Elahrairah. I can try and find one. Or you may be able to? I was basing my addition on the numerous radio, television and YouTube pieces on Rees-Zammit that I have heard over the past 12 months. The BBC commentary on the Grand Slam decider yesterday, would be a case in point. Do you know of anything different? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:36, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's an example. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:49, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Rescheduled Round 3 match
The permutations are fairly straightforward, but for clarity:
 * If France win by less than 20 points, Wales are Champions, and England 5th.
 * If France win by over 20 points and score at least 4 tries, France are Champions and England 5th.
 * If Scotland win, Wales are Champions and England 5th.
 * If it’s a draw, Wales are Champions and England 5th.
 * If France win by 20 and score 5 tries, the championship is shared and England are 5th.

Woooo,  23–27. What a final match. Excellent refereeing from Wayne Barnes. A great effort from both sides. Another win in the final gruelling moments. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Wedgie
I just can't believe that that article exists – and it's been around for 15 years. Inanity triumphs again. (Not that I'm opposed to inanity per se.) – Sca (talk) 18:23, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, comforting isn't it. I see you have your own wedge over in the colonies. Meanwhile, here's another nice wedge for you. Might even be a monkey there! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:35, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I prefer the wedgie combo. – Sca (talk) 18:49, 25 March 2021 (UTC)


 * .... first the huge Suez wedgie, and now "Captain of the "Ever Given" painted a penis in the sea". Schoolboy humour abounds! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:46, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Balls! – Sca (talk) 18:51, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You just have to have a poke don't you?! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:07, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm confused
about infoboxes. -- Deep fried okra ( talk ) 22:11, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you're not alone. Some people find them quite horrible. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:15, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you be a bit more specific? Because it really matters for what. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 25 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Ah no! Deepfried! You've managed to flush out one of the hostile natives from the bushes, beating her relentless box drum!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:28, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern for 25 March --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh go on then Incredibly beautiful! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The FAC is open, and they complain about over-linking. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:56, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * El C, how is this link? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh well. You don't always see oboes da caccia in an orchestra, do you? Even for JSB. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:09, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Are oboes da caccia a kind of pasta dish? --Tryptofish (talk) 23:20, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Your're thinking of blinis. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:22, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes! Cheers! --Tryptofish (talk) 23:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * now the music even made it to FA --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:42, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Radio fun post
I deleted it because it was by a banned user. --Viennese Waltz 13:12, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah I see. Your edit summary was a very successful trap, it seems! And your last one is a bit cryptic too! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:15, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I guess I'm guilty of assuming everyone knows what I'm talking about. VXFC stands for Vote (X) For Change, which is the username of the permanently banned user. --Viennese Waltz 13:19, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, that rings a bell. Thanks for reminding me. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:21, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

New satellite image
Hello Martin-- please check the talk page of the satellite image of the ship in the Suez. I have some concerns about it. (I will be away from my computer and won't be available for a few hours to discuss.) Regards, Kablammo (talk) 18:38, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * What's the problem? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:49, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That's the same question the captain of the ship asked. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Yes, mercifully, the captain has not been named. Poor guy. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:56, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note, Kablammo. It seems that image is currently coyvio. It has been taken from Twitter. It's clearly marked "MAXAR" and is credited to Maxar Technologies here. So I best take it out. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:01, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , I have opened a discussion, at Commons, here. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:40, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Removal of descriptions
Martin, Have you seen this? Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 12:55, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I just did. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Now watching the magnificent Handel's Messiah from English National Opera, thanks to BBC Two:, "Celebrated soloists including countertenor Iestyn Davies and mezzo-soprano Christine Rice are joined by rising stars Nadine Benjamin, Anthony Gregory, Nardus Williams, John Findon, William Thomas and Benson Wilson, while the conductor is renowned Handel expert Laurence Cummings." Martinevans123 (talk) 17:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Russia's greatest love machine
Quite good actually. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:01, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, comrade. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:31, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, as in... "Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peckers"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:38, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Powis Castle
Hope the expansion pleases. The lead needs work, to fully summarise it, and I should lift more from the Pevsner, but it passed a pleasant Easter in lockdown. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 11:39, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * A great improvement, KJP. Well done! What's the general view on Galleries these days? Many garden photos to choose from in Commons. I visited about 10 years ago while staying in Llangollen. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:48, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The view now on Architecture articles is that galleries are very acceptable. I was slightly disappointed by the range, there don’t appear to be any Good Pictures in the set, and the few of the interiors are poor. I believe the NT doesn’t allow interior photography. But there are some very nice ones. Add with gusto!
 * p.s. To my shame, I’ve never been! KJP1 (talk) 12:17, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The clipped yew is quite amazing. Like something out of Middle Earth. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:24, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like it might have been designed by Čiurlionis. – Sca (talk) 14:34, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * A great pioneering art nouveau and abstract artist. I am a big fan of his chocolate period. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:00, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * A devotee of Čurly Wurlies, are you? – Sca (talk) 16:11, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Of course. And the Čurly Wurlie Girlionis Method! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:29, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I once had curly hair. Now I just have old hair. Unexpectedly, I've developed a fondness for hats.
 * Haha. "Along for the ride are Little Cats A, B and C, who discover there’s wonder in nature once their electronic devices are powered off!" Martinevans123 (talk) 17:03, 10 April 2021 (UTC) p.s. did Martin Short really sing in that??
 * Two Nocturns from Mūza Rubackytė:​ VL183 and Vl178. Magical stuff. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:28, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Labai gražu. And I haven't seen those dreamy sailboats before. I've always been partial to "In the Forest." – Sca (talk) 19:06, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, a lovely piece. Sorry, but my Lithuanian is a bit rusty. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:10, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Wossamotta U? Twelve nominative declensions and 10 cases | too much for a Welch speaker? – Sca (talk) 15:23, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Evidently. Welch?? I still find it hard to get my tongue round all of it. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

The Bourgeois Blues
Heya. The Bourgeois Blues is a magnet for people to add trivia related to "X artist covered the song". It seems that the Ry Cooder version was added to the lead by a drive-by IP. I have been trying for the past few years to trim the trivia but I missed this one. -- In actu (Guerillero) Parlez Moi 15:36, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I see. Perhaps a better (secondary) source could be found that would establish notability of the Cooder version. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:43, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

The Telegraph / The Daily Telegraph
Hi there, just a quick note according the wiki article and the online version its self the publication seems to simply be called The Telegraph when in reference to its online version. The Daily Telegraph seems to be its in-print name. The "London" bit is just to disambiguate it from the other publications called The Telegraph (not too fussed just wanted to note/explain). Thanks for helping update/maintain the article regardless.  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 22:13, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I get confused over website=/ work=/ publisher=, and the format appropriate for each. I had never seen "The Telegraph" used before. I assume all of the news sources at that article are to web articles, so I guess we need to be consistent across all. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * p.s. that DAB page suggest it should be Telegraph.co.uk (although why the upper case "T", I don't know). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Per Template:Cite web Website and work I believe are identical and are aliases of each other. Publisher is company, organization or other legal entity that publishes the work being cited very often the owner. For example website=IGN|publisher=Ziff Davis Though often redundant when they have similiar names like: website=The New York Times|publisher=The New York Times Company . So is it okay if I change it back to The Telegraph for the website parameter as that is the name of the online website/work.  Spy-cicle💥   Talk? 15:20, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for that. I guess in the internet age newspapers want to shed the "daily" straight-jacket. This is why the Daily Mail transforms into the "Mail Online". But the same old rubbish (only worse). Martinevans123 (talk) 15:21, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Great, no problem. Yeah that makes sense, I sadly do not get the reference though :/.  Spy-cicle💥   Talk? 18:11, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, I'd go with Telegraph.co.uk. But whatevs. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:16, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Farewell him big fella belong Mrs Queen
Almost the full century. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:06, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow today I learned.  Spy-cicle💥   Talk? 18:12, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * If anyone deserves to attend the funeral, it might be these guys. But I'm pretty sure 30 members of family could easily be found. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:19, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Of course, we've got our own "god-like spiritual figure" to worship, haven't we. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Indeed. "It Is 'He'" – Jai Sri Jimbo/Philipo. JG66 (talk) 17:12, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, josticks and kaftans all round. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:18, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, okay, he did inspire that Veririchi-Lotsamoney-Yogi-Bear nonsense ... Some decent music too, though. JG66 (talk) 17:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * And some great jet aircraft engines. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, don't start on that jet aircraft business (doo-oo-oo-oo-oo, etc) – it's clearly a De Havilland balsa-wood model! JG66 (talk) 17:59, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Well I'm off to Spain! (.... don't shoot me I'm only the article editor). Martinevans123 (talk) 18:15, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * No, not that Fernando. Anyway, I'm sorry to hear about the musty incense in your eyes. Me, I've been to Heathrow, I've been to Gatwick (I've travelled this wide world all over, over, over) ... and it's definitely a De Havilland. JG66 (talk) 18:31, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Am hoping it will all be gone with the wind: Martinevans123 (talk) 18:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Prince Philip devotees on Vanuatu hold mourning ceremony in his honour nagualdesign 22:23, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Ooh. A bit of a scoop there for The Daily Torygraph? Or maybe the poor guys on Tanna are just overrun at the moment. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Neither sighing but life everlasting: Kontakion - Sir Walter Parratt (1841–1924). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:14, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for helping with his music. I try to stick to an article a day, but today Jubilate Deo (Britten), William Lovelady and Psalm 104, because he commissioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:46, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you too for those. Yes William Lovelady was really most intriguing. For me the Parratt was unsurpassed and the most moving part of the entire service. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:48, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * YT of Lovelady, Jubilate --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:05, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was captioned "Jubilate in C". Also the BBC's Order of Service doesn't give the hymn name "Eternal Father, Strong to Save" but just the tune name Melita. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:23, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

2021 Grand National
Hi Martin, I have the colours for 1, 3 & 4 finishers yesterday (see my sandbox)- the 2nd place was owned by a new syndicate "Racehorse Club" with crazy colours I don't see on commons, do you know anyone smart enough to make these kind of things. Thanks for updating (and defending the posting of) this article JW 1961 Talk 12:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Joseywales1961, any relation to Clint?? I wish I did know someone. After seeing that there are a total of 11,179 media images listed at Commons Cat:Racing silks, I decided I didn't know how to search them efficiently or create any new ones if required. I guess our best bet would be to locate the editor(s) who created/ added the same at 2019 Grand National. As for the ITN nom, yes I know it's best to have a "prose description" (which is essential a summary of the entire radio/TV commentary) but the essential bits are which horses and jockeys ran and which horses and jockeys won? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:58, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * No relation, ha (just one of my favourite films). I went through the cat on commons so I'll try and contact some from previous years (or maybe a file uploader in that cat) Thanks  JW 1961 Talk 13:10, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

April corner
Yesterday's Main page was beautiful. Can you tell me something about the setting of Psalm 115 mentioned here, #24, and the Mozart connection? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it did look nice. Especially the Red-billed streamertail. But whatever can I tell you? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:54, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know ;) The composer set Psalm 115? CXV? In Welsh? What has Mozart to do with it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:07, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yesterday, I liked the Schlosspark best, and the role model, by playing one role. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, Non nobis says "There are surviving copies of the Non nobis Domine canon in the hands of both Mozart and Beethoven." No WAM mentioned at John Owen (Owain Alaw). But beyond that, I have no idea! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * We don't look for the canon but a Psalm setting in Welsh, and I can't do that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:18, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, here are the words. But as for a Mozartian musical setting, I have no idea. Meanwhile, here's a nice English one (1973, Guildford Cathedral Choir, directed by Barry Rose). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Quite the treasure: --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I now opened the other book (IMSLP). The piece in question is on p. 140, which is p. 144 of the pdf, and it's music in B-flat major labeled Mozart, but I don't know the piece. I guess he translated some psalm words to Welsh to match the music. Doesn't look like 18 verses to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh well done, Gerda! Wherever did "Mozart" come from? I wonder if there is a Mozart scholar here who might know. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:36, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I think Owen just took a Mozart piece and put the words to it. - for you with thanks --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank you for Olena Tokar. I will enjoy something nice from there. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:10, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * On this day in 1742, He was despised was performed for the first time, and when I wrote it in 2012, I didn't only think of Jesus. Andreas Scholl sang that for us, - you are invited to a Baroque stroll. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reminding me. Ah yes, Brühl! A fine actor. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:43, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Eric Corbett helped with the singer, DYK? Over which he contemplated to use his real name. Why do we despise such exquisite editors? Hillbilly, Poeticbent, PumpkinSky, now RexxS ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:06, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Gosh, a polite conversation. Yes, he was right, it was foolish. I'm sure people must have written essays about the social psychology of wiki usernames(?) A nice article though. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Further down same page, and by then Eric, he told me "chin up", and Hillbilly gave me a poem and a tree, and I felt much less despised. listen perhaps? - I found the recording by Scholl also, but it's awfully soft. DYK that I took the lead image and some of the others? Once - shortly before the Messiah performance - I chatted with his wife during intermission of a concert standing in line for the loo ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:54, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Verily, verily, I say unto you. We are none of us worthy to touch even the hem of Gerda's flowing choral robes, even as she passes by. lol. But thank you for Scholl with Les Arts Florissants.... unspeakably wonderful. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:14, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Now should I take that to my blushing corner? Or just reply with the Weizenkorn? My first (of two) concert singing with Scholl (and then his sister also) was the Matthew Passion, when I stood almost next to him. Unforgettable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:39, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Very probably. . Martinevans123 (talk) 19:46, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for taking care early - from 2013 - of an article about music significant in my life, Bach's motet Jesu, mein Freude! From the start to the Main page in 15 years ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:53, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reminding me! Collegium Vocale Gent with Philippe Herreweghe from 2011: . Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * more memories on the Main page today, Psalm 115 thinking of Yoninah, Christa Ludwig and Milva, - voices that made the Earth a better place. Sad that the psalm hook didn't appear on Earth Day as planned, but better pictured and late than going unnoticed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * A great Psalm. And talking of profound passages, I guess PTG and David Conner have cornered the market in "Consider the rainbow, and bless the One who made it" for a while. But of course, it's not Ecclesiastes (which only goes up to Chapter 12, not 43). It's Ecclesiasticus, which doesn't even appear in my RSV! Am surprised this unconventional choice drew such little comment. Or indeed any. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * today: Charmes recorded ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Today was another concert live but without audience - Yeats Fergus in the end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

День Космонавтики
Oi!! Happy Yuri's Night !! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

«Это Москва говорит, все радиопередатчики в СССР работают. мы получили новости от государственного информационного агентства ТАСС о первом в мире полете человека в космос.»

Glad you're back, v 2.o
Because Argumentum ad baculum just cracked me up and I truly needed the laugh this morning. JSFarman (talk) 18:14, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Am very pleased to hear that. thank you so much. I must admit that I originally misread it as Argumentum ad bacterium. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

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 * "Everybody's got a thing, B-bot. But some don't know how to handle it." Don't you worry B-bot 'bout a thing. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:56, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Indo sub
Perhaps it was floundering around before it foundered? – Sca (talk) 13:59, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Finding "parts of the torpedo tube straightener, cover for coolant pipings..", and its disappearance just after a live torpedo firing, does not sound too good. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:36, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * That's the way things go with a 40-year-old Unterseeboot, I guess. They probably got a deal on it. – Sca (talk) 15:06, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Or should it be "found sunken" – you be the judge. – Sca (talk) 22:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, they located it. Not sure it's really been "found", as such: Martinevans123 (talk) 22:50, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Have you seen the video, shot on board weeks before the loss? – Sca (talk) 18:12, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I had not seen that. That's very poignant indeed. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:28, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * They were just guys, like guys everywhere. – Sca (talk) 01:03, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Indeed. But unfortunate there were 53 guys, not just the designed-for 34. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:44, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Yacht rock as a genre
Mr. Evans, I'm puzzled by your behavior. Is it possible for you to explain it? What do you hope to accomplish by using one of Wikipedia's more fascistic tactics, hiding the interaction between two people because you dislike it? You have this pretty picture of an angel on your Talk page and some sweet nothings about peace. Are you hoping the lion and lamb will lie down together in this world? I see little evidence of that, Father Evans, in this world, in this life, the one we interact with using our five senses.. If you had taken the time and effort to analyze the situation, rather than lazily dismissing it as "bickering" and a pox on both your houses, you would know whom to point your judgemental finger at. Dan is a net minus, not a net plus, to Wikipedia, and he has been that far way for a very long time. In your attempt to place some kind of arbitrary blame on both of us, you have ignored Dan's form of communication, which includes:


 * "Forgiveness and compassion don't seem to be too American either"
 * "Dude, go out and get laid"
 * "Or find a real job where you can actually make a difference. It's not the end of the world, or your world (i.e. America)"
 * "I don't care. No one cares. No one cares about what you think because you're belittling anyone who disagrees with your point of view"
 * "All your doing with comments like that one are creeping me out and embarrassing yourself"
 * "Those are false equivalencies, and a puritanical outlook"
 * "It's not a personal attack. And your response is still puritanical. Your point is irrelevant"
 * "It is more of an observation than an insult or a compliment, unlike your reasoning, which insults my intelligence"
 * "Another observation: being patronizing, or projecting your insecurities about content discussion onto me, will not expedite your desired change. Your comments are way too long, complicated
 * You're the only one giving speeches and personal essays"
 * "It's too late to make nice; he has completely turned me off with his incessant, myopic bloviating, anal rigidity and condescending, hypocritical remarks from the get-go, all of which I suspect are products of his obsession with removing a superficial project banner (that seems incredibly precious to him) and have blinded him from comprehending the basics of guidelines and policy-based arguments; one simply should not argue in the manner he has; it is unreadable and off-putting. I'm glad I'm not alone anymore to be driven crazy by his behavior, but I have no more patience for him on this matter."

If you really wanted to help, you would take the initiative and get this creature removed from Wikipedia. Vmavanti (talk) 11:10, 26 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Mr Vanti. I make no pretence at divinity. I thought, and continue to think, that the "exchange" at Talk:Aja (album) has no place at a Wikipedia article Talk page. Very sorry if you feel hurt in some way. I honestly think your "discussion" there and/or your grievances against another editor, need to be taken to a different venue. Rest assured I won't be editing that thread again. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:17, 26 April 2021 (UTC) p.s. but thanks for pointing out I'm lazy.

Vmavanti (talk) 12:51, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I like to fancy myself a god of sorts, and solemnly declare, anything that rocketh upon the land shall indeed rock on a yacht. But so too shall ye lose the verily low end to the heavens, rocking open-air on any deck, so lo, no! Now is not the time to play outside. Now excuse me. I must judge this creature you speak of, accordingly, per mine own great whims and mysteriously lazy pace. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:36, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Why are you butting in? You think you're funny, but you're not.
 * Excuse me. Are you retrospectively butting in before me? Or is it after? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:08, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for those kind words of comfort, Your Great Infallibleness. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:39, 26 April 2021 (UTC) p.s. you think you're funny, yes and you always stay the distance.

Vmavanti (talk) 12:51, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * "Very sorry if you feel hurt" is dismissive rather than analytical. It isn't about my feelings or anyone else's. I don't care if you contribute to the thread. It isn't the discussion that is a problem. It's Dan's behavior. You could make a difference—if you wanted to. I have seen no comments, other than my inchoate analysis, about why it's acceptable to use this offensive, false term "yacht rock" all across Wikipedia. The point of Wikipedia is to provide facts, not to put down the subjects of articles. People who use this term think they are being cute, but it's dumb. The same kind of thing in other contexts stirs paroxysms of fake moral outrage and selective indignation. Nope, not here. If it's the old red herring about protocol and location ("How dare you to talk to me on my Talk page!"), then where should this subject be addressed?

Vmavanti (talk) 13:05, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I absolve that beautiful creature you hated, not even kidding. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:54, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems you're not a huge fan of yachting, then. Do you see yourself as "the lamb" or "the lion" in this particular exchange? Thanks. "Father" Evans 123 (talk) 12:56, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * British periphrasis and circumlocution are my favorite forms of stupidity, avoidance, and cowardice.
 * Perhaps we can agree that The Sound of Music wasn't yacht rock. Am tending towards lion, but happy to take a second opinion. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * If I had a yacht, this would be heard loud and clear. ---Sluzzelin talk  21:57, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * (just in case) ... I mean, yeah, John Coltrane, but goodness, McCoy Tyner. Full blast on my yacht! ---Sluzzelin talk  23:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know about the ranty-vanti stuff, Martin, but I have to take issue with your comment "I make no pretence at divinity". I mean: It is He! – Jai Sri Martin!! (or Martini perhaps, yacht rocking and all). JG66 (talk) 13:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)


 * As you know, I'm always up for a "vicars and tarts". You can get some yacht rock at its finest:  --"Le Bon Father" 123 (talk) 13:46, 26 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Well, I know you are, Father Bon-Mots, I know – just as I gather the Lord loves the one that loves the yacht!
 * Out of interest, is that Wings album London Town yacht rock? It was partly recorded on a yacht, by a rock band, and waterways appear in the cover art. Problem is, the album's often described as soft rock ... so: "Soft yacht rock"? – perhaps the genre's developed and widened in scope? This just seemed the place to raise the point, here at YR Central, that's all. I don't know, I don't know ... JG66 (talk) 14:20, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Macca on a barge? Sounds a bit dingy to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:22, 26 April 2021 (UTC) p.s. this yacht stuff is all a bit much, isn't it...
 * At least there's a cafe on the left bank, apparently. It's a shame that InedibleHulk set sail with HMS Aja. a) I thought they were funny too; b) they might've been able to shed some light on this confounded yachtie rock thing. Perhaps I'm just wearing the wrong shoes. JG66 (talk) 15:06, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think so! But in any case, daahrling, you'd need a scarf that was apricot? Simon Carly 123 (talk) 15:27, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, I was thinking about going a-yachtin' – and indeed, a-yacht-rockin' – in this sort of get-up ... no? See, I'll never get the hang of this genre. JG66 (talk) 15:54, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * "Come on baby, let me take you." Yacht-a-billy? Yacht Dance, anyone?? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:02, 26 April 2021 (UTC) ... or maybe Doo-Yacht-Wop?
 * now, imagine it without a yacht. But you know, we were happy in those days ... The overwhelming emotion of hearing Toto's "Africa" remixed to sound like it's playing in an empty mall ---Sluzzelin talk  20:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * "We never had a cup. We used to drink out of a rolled up newspaper." A great mix there - Brian would be thrilled. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm really offended that this guy keeps calling me Dan. That wasn't even my real name. isento (talk) 15:19, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You mean it is now? You poor thing, although I am a bit surprised you've not been site-banned yet. You two playmates really oughta bury the hatchet? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:35, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Worse has happened in the world. isento (talk) 16:48, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * да ты не шутишь! Pop Evanski 123 (talk) 17:20, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow @ all those quotes at the top 😂 ... I must not be a "net-minus". Might be why I haven't been site-banned. At least one of the reasons ... isento (talk) 04:13, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

, I'll try to be clear. First, I'm not "them", just one man/child/deity. Second, I can't define yacht rock precisely, but it's somewhere between wuss rock (as heard in department stores) and butt rock (formerly headlining cruise ships). Third, I didn't so much set sail as fall asleep; if you've heard "Sail Away" from Fraggle Rock, though, you know moon shoes, deck shoes and fuzzy bunny slippers fit about the same. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:24, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

And before anyone files a hate speech complaint, I love quite a bit of butt rock and wuss rock! It's the fusion hits I deem "weak-ass noise". Some streams were never meant to cross over. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:29, 27 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Full steam ahead !! Martinevans123 (talk) 07:41, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Not here, I see "Video unavailable" (and "Captain of Yo"). InedibleHulk (talk) 08:10, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok then.... Full steam ahead !! (I'm sure you'll be able to find your own copyvio version on YachT-watch). Was never a hit over on your side, I think. But great "foghorn, ship's bell and Morse code" and "psychedelic treatments including electric sitar, backwards piano, filtered vocals and phasing"! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:51, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I found the band on Spotify. Under 3,000 monthly listeners, nice! Can't find that song, but "I Can Hear The Rain" and "I Can Tell" this ain't rock at all, it's a ballroom blitz. Catchy, this next one, she kissed him on Thursday. Don't strike your link, though, other limeys can probably watch it! InedibleHulk (talk) 09:08, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey, they stole "Be My Baby", that's Eddie Money's job! InedibleHulk (talk) 09:33, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * YT here in UK is currently showing four different uploads of the original by Reparata and the Delrons. The one I posted looked copyright compliant. But then we don't spend every other day suing the pants off each other? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:50, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I haven't tried my Tube yet, could have a copy or two. If your link was from the legit owners, it could be a licensing deal. They like to regionalize us on Earth, for some reason. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:10, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It's just uploaded under "Reparata and the Delrons - Topic", but clearly states "Provided to YouTube by Sony Music CG". I'm currently having a discussion about this with Ojorojo at Talk:Wang Dang Doodle, if you are interested. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:40, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * That makes sense; Sony Music is big over here, but there's simply no such thing as Sony Music CG. Google indicates it's very Euro, if anything. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:53, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, that's interesting. Regardless of copyright, adding YT links that just don't work in some countries will be a bit of a waste of time and just a source of frustration. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:06, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Sadly, yes, for some niche songs. Go global or go home! You could add them with a fair warning for some readers, though, parenthetical or whatnot (your Wang Dang Doodle is showing from here). InedibleHulk (talk) 12:13, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Put that wang dang doodle away right now, and zip up your pants! --Tryptofish (talk) 15:46, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * "I wangle when I doodle, 'cos my dangle is a poodle". Clevor Trever 123 (talk) 16:23, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Else have a central location where proposed YT links could be vetted both for copyvio and global access? Of course some folks don't really want a pristine encyclopaedia sullied with "social meejah". Martinevans123 (talk) 12:25, 27 April 2021 (UTC) ... as long as it's not My Ding-a-Ling that's showing, I don't care.
 * Any right granted from plain old UMG or BMG is probably good everywhere we're "sold", but our own copyright rules can be confusing, even then. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:33, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I guess. Of course the "other" problem is, just like BIG PHARMA, YT is seen by many as BIG MUSO. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:12, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * We at BIG ED should warmly welcome other sectors' worldwide monopolies, as long as we're not driving traffic to stuffy academic videos or free trials for pills said to treat or prevent "brain fag". InedibleHulk (talk) 05:17, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * We at BIG FAG warmly welcome other sectors' worldwide drug monopolies, as long as they're not trying to make an encyclopaedia SO DULL that everyone has a BIG SLEEP. --"Pile M. High" 123 (talk) 06:46, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

John Keats
I trust you, Martin! Go ahead and write it as you feel it's best. Brian Bmcln1 (talk) 11:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm glad someone does. lol. No worries. I'll try and have a go at summarising that Reception stuff. It's not a big deal really. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:34, 26 April 2021 (UTC) p.s. alas, I'm always reminded of the "Famous First Draft" of "Ode to a Nightingale" in Tits 'n Bums: A Weekly Look at Church Architecture!

Talk
Thanks much for your pointed comments. What Arschlöcher some people are. – Sca (talk) 17:27, 28 April 2021 (UTC) Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 14:23, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Lol. And I thought they were pointless comments. How dare you come here, to this sacred Talk page, with your collegial waste of editors' time!! --Song Dong Ding Dong123 (talk) 17:40, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm amazed at how that turned out. A soft answer turneth away wrath? – Sca (talk) 13:14, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed. That was a real breath of fresh air. Very good of him. If only more editors could be like that, the encyclopaedia would be much happier place. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:24, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey, I've been meaning to ask: Have you climbed Yr Wyddfa lately? – Sca (talk) 12:49, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It's been a few years! But I'm sure that story will not have escaped the attention of User:Hogyn Lleol. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:53, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * (You're correct there!) Hogyn Lleol (talk) 18:17, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
 * And on that subject, Everest isn't known by its Tibetan name, Chomolungma, meaning goddess mother of the world. Its name comes from Colonel Sir George Everest, a surveyor-general of India He was born in Crickhowell.
 * Maybe it will be Denali-ized? – Sca (talk) 14:46, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I can safely say I've managed to scale the main bar of Bear Hotel, Crickhowell without oxygen or crampons. (But ok, yes, I did need three sherpas to bring me down). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:51, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * In any case, I think it's silly naming a mountain after a celebrity photographer. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:30, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Or a musician whose only instrument is a whistle. – Sca (talk) 12:52, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm. But up there it can give you a legal advantage? Martinevans123 (talk)

UK Singles Chart
Hi Which page are you talking about? Benriggers (talk)
 * Um, your last one was here, but today you've made abut 100 other similar ones? Also UK Albums Chart? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:37, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm lost for words... can you help?
Hi Martin, I hope that you're well - it's been a while since I've been in touch. Any idea about how to respond here - other than by promising to replace every single personal pronoun used in the Wikipedia project prior to, say, 2018? Talk:Lunch_atop_a_Skyscraper Best wishes, Jez JezGrove (talk) 20:00, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Jez, great to hear from you. Also hope all's well with you. I would have thought that, in 1932, men were allowed to express their true gender identity... by becoming construction workers on the 30 Rockefeller Plaza skyscraper. But who knows. I also think it's unlikely there'll ever be "sources that prove how they gender identified". Even if there were, I'm not sure how that might be relevant to their job as ironworkers. We could probably assume Gusti Popovič was a real post-card writing married man (he was after all, a lumberjack). But who knows about Joseph Eckner, Joe Curtis, Natxo Moneta, or cigar-smoking Matty O'Shaughnessy... or the six others who's names we don't seem to even know. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:58, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Timely?

 * Masters of War (1963)
 * Live:
 * – Sca (talk) 12:14, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Sca. That May 1998 San Jose clip quite excellent. And after 35 years, not quite so freewheeling. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:23, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

May corner
Today: Thomas Fritsch, the German character voice of Diego in Ice Age, + unrelated music for fun --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

See my talk today, - it's rare that a person is pictured when a dream comes true, and that the picture is shown on the Main page on a meaningful day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:33, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Do not change Latin to English
Do not change the Latin word mansio to the English word mansion. They have different meanings and link to different articles. 173.18.56.34 (talk) 04:03, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, IP 173. You're quite right. Only "likely" to be the source of the English word mansion, it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:26, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

June thanks
Thank you for improving articles in June, with some impressions of places, flowers and music for you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Gerda. Some lovely images. I found this excerpt from the Vivaldi No.6 Bb, with Silva Manfrè at the organ of the Piaristenkirche St. Thekla in Vienna (2010): There's a beautifully light and airy "L’Ange gardien" by César Franck, from just last Christmastide, at her Facebook site which I think you might enjoy: . Martinevans123 (talk) 22:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, - friend cellist (and subject of my first article) and friend organist picked the same first movement (and the second), - new to me. Will add YT to sonatas article which was sadly undeveloped. Sad job: update article of another soprano who died (possibly I heard her but don't remember), then write about orchestra of conductor who died (sure I went to concerts with him). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * sorry, don't find the guardian angel --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:44, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * A Guardian Angel?? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:53, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * that's great, thank you, but I meant "L’Ange gardien" mentioned above --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:06, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah. It's really nice. Susanne Ebenbauer: Soprano; Pia Ernstbrunner, Alto. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:14, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I believe you, but can't find it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ha. How very odd. Can you see her Facebook page here? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:34, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I can se this facebook page and the other, but no "ange". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * She posted it on 16 December 2020.You can search for "Franck" on that page. It's also in her "Latest videos" list. 😃 Martinevans123 (talk) 10:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * finally ;) - thanks for your patience, and beautiful --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

added: missing SlimVirgin, and RMF festival opening --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * "Come on you Krauts!!" (only joking....) Tony Crows 123 (talk) 16:53, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * A sterling performance. Poor Germany got truly caned. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:54, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

McAfee
Couldn't you have worked vainglorious in there somewhere? But perhaps verisimilitude would be the real challenge in his case. – Sca (talk) 19:50, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I had toyed with "volatile and vexatious valetudinarian self-vanquishing veteran". But thought it was a bit too verbose. Not to say frightfully vulgar. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:33, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Matt Hancock
Please keep your opinions to yourself when editing articles. The policy on biographies of living people applies to edit summaries as much as it applies anywhere else across Wikipedia. Your co-operation in this matter will be appreciated. Mjroots (talk) 13:02, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm very sorry that you feel the need to blank an edit summary and make such a blunt request here. I don't make a habit of such political comments. I'm not sure you'd be able to find another in my 177,265 edits. My opinion of Hancock has dropped far lower than I even thought possible. Yes, I think he's a hypocrite. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:36, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I rarely find myself agreeing with Boris-Not-Good-Enuf, but "totally fucking hopeless" doesn't seem quite so outrageous, IMHO.
 * Martin, you were reported an WP:AN. Whatever we feel about certain people ( don't get me started on the Milk Snatcher) ), if they are living or recently deceased then BLP applies and we need to keep our emotions in check. As you are an experienced editor generally in good standing, I considered the above reminder would be sufficient without then need to take it any further. FWIW, I think that Hancock should resign, and I hope he will be gone by the end of June. Mjroots (talk) 15:13, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * "Mj", I applaud your diligence in an administrative capacity. Looking forward to my notice of the AN posting ("lol"). I do hope you won't think I'm procrastinating, but unlike all other edits, of course, edit summaries can't be adjusted later, only rev-del'ed, and then only by an Admin? Ah right, "generally in good standing"; it may be time I sat down. You think you need to "take it any further"? I suspect none of this band of incompetent half-wits will be gone for years yet (Government MP's I mean, not Wikipedia Admins). Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a prior engagement in Amsterdam. Kind regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:49, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Breaking! Hancock resigns. Mjroots (talk) 17:15, 26 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Gosh. So, one poor result. One consolation. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:57, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The Room Next Door - Matt Hancock Farewell Special nagual<b style="color:#BBA">design</b></b> 18:38, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * My word. That is frightfully amusing. Did someone say glove puppet? "Verily, verily, Dominic, thy Cummings Cup runneth over." Martinevans123 (talk) 19:28, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * FTR, I didn't notice because I didn't think action against the editor was necessary (if I did I would've tried ANI); people make occasional off-hand comments. I just felt that the summary needed to be revdelled. Usually I'd request offwiki but IRC is usually a ghost-town at that time. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:46, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah cheers, Crasty. It seems my slagging off has brought all the boys to the yard. I love wrestling as much as the next man and I might well have done just the same as you in your shoes. Thanks to Speedy Rootzales over there, my opinion of Hancock "didn't reflect particularly well" on Wikipedia only for 2 hours and 11 minutes. A quick null edit would have knocked it off the top of page history immediately, of course. As that Andrew Neil of GB News said, "In the future, everyone will be a hopeless Tory politician for 30 minutes." Martinevans123 (talk) 19:21, 26 June 2021 (UTC)  p.s. did someone mention a ghost town??
 * Lol here.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 22:02, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * So, what's all this about someone putting his han on his cock? --Tryptofish (talk) 19:39, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Would probably be seen as progress. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Can he play the oboe with his elbow? Or is that a boo-boo? --Tryptofish (talk) 19:47, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, he's not coming out to play.... He's been a very naughty boy Martinevans123 (talk) 19:50, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * p.s. and talking of elbows.
 * p.p.s. but hey, thanks Rootsy. Obviously time for me to reconsider your very kind RFA suggestion: Martinevans123 (talk) 18:52, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

3-3 (a.e.t), 4-5!!
It's a bit like England going out to Scotland. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:51, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Filtering usernames
I've asked about this before when I've tried to avoid seeing the anti-Daily Mail crusaders who just leave a trail of shite behind them. There are some tweaks you can do to your monobook (fnar fnar) but nothing inherent in the Wikipedia interface. With the "tagging" user doing around 20 pages per minute, and with 10,000 pages on my watchlist, I've fallen foul of being overwhelmed by their edits.... Good luck finding that filter, if you work it out, let me know. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 18:03, 30 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Well, you know what they say in Bradford... "where there's shite, there's a long line of angry editors with shovels". Or something like that. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:31, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I do. That meatbot behaviour will have to stop.  And to think some people thought that user should be an admin?  The very thought of it....!  The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 18:33, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ye gods. The very thought of me being an Admin?? That's enough to give our poor Jimbo the Heebie-jeebies: Martinevans123 (talk) 18:42, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Jimbo's too stressed working out why some "bros" have fucked Wikipedia for approximately half the planet.  I'm sure he could use your insight.  The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 18:45, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Nah, just ya holdee on there a dog-gone minute, pardner. Just ya keep ur thievin' li'l cotton-picken hands offa this here Talkpage!! Solid white 123 (talk) 19:00, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, go careful there.  Explaining "cotton-picking" to a seven-year-old (non) American child.  Can you imagine??  The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 19:06, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You tell 'em Ramblin' Billy. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:25, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I am definitely black enough for you Martin. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 19:26, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah bless! You'll always be my favourite Wiki role model, Rambler. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:33, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Princess of Wales
Lardy? – Sca (talk) 12:34, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know. Rather draws unfortunate comparison with the "Princess of Pork" (who shall remain nameless, of course), doesn't it. I think it's to do with the Germans indulging in too many umlauts? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Grandma used to make umlauts with cheese and sauerkraut, seasoned with caraway and dill, that just couldn't be beat – unless you had a shtick, that is. – Sca (talk) 18:53, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I hear that Princess Michael of Kent "does a mean Wiener schnitzel" and has "an industrial appetite" (located in the Ruhr, perhaps?) But she eats no puddings; so no Black Forest Birthday Gateaux for her. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know much about British deserts, but I suspect some of them eat spotted dick. Or is that something they caught from messing around? --Tryptofish (talk) 20:25, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Errrmm, you're probably thinking of something that happens after dinner at many of Britain's finest public schools.
 * Also, continuing from some of above, one can see what spotted dick looks like at our page on Chancroid. (I deliberately did not blue-link that, because it is not a link for polite society, nor for the faint of heart.) --Tryptofish (talk) 20:33, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Eeeeewww. Fortunately (for all of us) I think it was only Hancock's hand that was spotted. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Truth be told, ever since I heard of spotted dick, I can't get it out of my mouth. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:39, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah well, "One swallow does not a Summer Pudding make." Allegedly. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:49, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Dick Who?.
 * Actually, caraway, dill – and black pepper – are the flavoring agents I use in making my own Akvavit, using a good grade of Polish rye vodka. Helps beat the heat (or the cold). — Sca (talk) 22:12, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Archive 15
Anyone got any ideas as to why Archive 15 for 2021 won't appear in the Archive box?? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:21, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it's because the archive page 15 does not yet exist. When I search for it, it shows as a red link. I guess you can either: (1) create the page manually (leaving it blank and waiting for the bot to fill it in, (2) just wait for the bot to create the page, or (3) do whatever makes the bot run now. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:07, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Cheers Trypto. But I am botless lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:08, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries, some people think that I am brainless. But I just created the archive manually, and it now displays above! But all the archive page says is "test", so you'll have to change that to an actual archive. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:17, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, Trypto! Feel free to do all my archiving from now on!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:23, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, of course, but be careful. I might archive you! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:37, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you're the very soul of discretion. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I try to have a lot of sole. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:38, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Church of St Deinst, Llangarron
Did you have to choose a church with quite so many listed memorials! KJP1 (talk) 13:48, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hah! Wow, you've been busy!! I had no idea. Have visited only once. And then it was locked! I see from this 1834 source that the village was also spelled in 1821 as Llangarran? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:53, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

1–2!!
Oh, Schick. The benefit of ITV is Dry Clive and his pal Ally, "Brulliant!!" Martinevans123 (talk) 17:58, 3 July 2021 (UTC)


 * England 1-0 up, Harry Kane scores!-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 19:20, 3 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Sweet! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:53, 3 July 2021 (UTC) hey, just a minute.... Ukraine have a player called Matt Bianco??:


 * 3-0! Next opponent will be Denmark in the semis.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 20:17, 3 July 2021 (UTC)


 * 4-0! Yes, and at Wembley again! Seems England are in safe hands. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:03, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

A musical message...
... for your Fourth-coming celebration:
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyBltotNDB8
 * – Sca (talk) 23:07, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Or maybe you'd prefer this:
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w2gyWE0M0k
 * – Sca (talk) 23:55, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ... well, I might prefer it. But all I see is "Video unavailable: This video contains content from SME, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds." lol Martinevans123 (talk) 15:47, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It's the song titled "Best One Around," from the '68 musical Hair, that includes the lyrics "crazy for the red, white and blue." – Sca (talk) 18:44, 5 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Or maybe this one (... take a trip!) Martinevans123 (talk) 08:07, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

July corner
June continued ... last year's flowers match the image on the user page nicely, see? - DYK that her last reply to me was in a thread Green for hope? - The DYK set in honour of Yoninah appeared yesterday, including Psalm 85, with the kiss of justice and peace - we wrote that together.

Fourth of July: Brian's birthday, remembered in gratitude for his unfailing inspiration and support - remember the Chapel - the missed - the music? - Can I interest you in a user's first FAC, Carillon? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 4 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I'll try and take a look. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:59, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Music happens. On the Main page now: "my" school. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:35, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Good stuff! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:09, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * More music: 2 songs, the morning song - about rising from being down, in more than one sense - is a GA, - there should be more given my initials, but I also want to care for articles of those who recently died (now Esther Béjarano), and psalms in memory of Yoninah, - more missing than there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you know that Vivaldi composed cello sonatas? I didn't until I took the pic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Yeats
Hi Martin. I presume you have a source that explicitly states that WB wasn’t Indian.. Ceoil (talk) 10:16, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Errrrm.... now you've got me a bit worried. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:19, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

The same ones again?
BBC: Nigeria kidnap: Gunmen seize 140 schoolchildren
 * – How many schoolgirls can there be in Nigeria? — Sca (talk) 18:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Quite a lot, I imagine. This report, from 2014, said "Over 5.5 million girls are out-of-school (UNESCO, 2014)"! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:41, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Jan Broberg Felt was kidnapped twice in deepest, darkest Idaho. First by a relatively young man. Then, two years later, by the same older man. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:08, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, but most of those Nigerian girls don't get their own book and TV documentary. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:15, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Not their fault, just where the hell is CBS expected to find 140 black actresses? InedibleHulk (talk) 11:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * errrmm... well, they could try Chibok I guess? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:52, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There's whitebread ratings potential in Ali: The Ali Story, but creative has nothing for the other 275, send them home. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:08, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes. For a moment there I thought it was this Ali Story, about the bad old days in the 1970s "lol". Martinevans123 (talk) 12:20, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

"Girlfriend Is Better" song length
The LP/early CD version on Speaking in Tongues shows 4:22. Is 4:22 not the length to use since Speaking in Tongues came out before Stop Making Sense? 73.167.238.120 (talk) 22:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I thought that too. But then I read: "The song's single version was a live version from the soundtrack of their 1984 concert film Stop Making Sense, named for a lyric from the song." Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:02, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * p.s. curiously, watching the clip from the film uploaded to YouTube by "Lucaas", I see it lasts 5:11. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:38, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

There is crowd noise in the clip, which adds to the length of the video. Thank you for clarifying about the single! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 09:24, 6 July 2021 (UTC)


 * No worries. Stop Making Sense is a great film. Electrifying. I went to see it three times (in a real cinema, lol). Martinevans123 (talk) 09:37, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I agree, Stop Making Sense is unbelievable! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 23:01, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Cum on you Da-aanes Da-aaanze!!



 * Inappropriate spelling? Or how about "Cum On Feel the Noize"?-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 18:09, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Apologies, now corrected. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:23, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

... so, the lads prevailed, even though Sterling slightly lost his footing?? Nice finish, Harry. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:07, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

...but an interesting choice of a replacement for Raheem on Sunday.


 * Please, please tell me you didn't really say "cum on"! (Although I'll admit to being a bit of a sea squirt myself.) --Tryptofish (talk) 22:50, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * As I'm sure you know, we in the UK are not allowed to shout or sing until 19 July. So I had to say it  very, very quietly.   -- Barnard Castle United 123 (talk) 07:29, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * If you ever heard me attempt to sing, you would conclude that I should never be allowed to do so. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

New statue
Lol.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 11:36, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * "... was kept secret until its unveiling as if it might be wildly provocative. Looking through the artist’s previous oeuvre, I noticed he has a taste for the nude and created a statue for the late Felix Dennis called Lord Rochester, His Whore and a Monkey. That raised the fascinating prospect of a naked Diana for everyone to get furious about." -- Jonathan Jones, The Guardian. "... a spiritless hunk of nonsense"? Don't worry! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:52, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I hear the statue is next to a busy road.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 12:09, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The lollypop also available in glittery sliver, I hear. But you know what they say... so Paul Francis Gadd is off the hook. Ian, great to see your editor credibility, as Wikipedia nonce expert, taking a nose-dive here. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:20, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't realise Ian gave financial advice....  Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:24, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, and gives street art advice in Bristol. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:29, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This can be yours for only £11.99! So many photos like this in the archive, but since nobody is allowed to see them on television nowadays, there is a tendency for young people to wonder what all the fuss is about with Savile.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 12:34, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This can be yours for only £11.99! So many photos like this in the archive, but since nobody is allowed to see them on television nowadays, there is a tendency for young people to wonder what all the fuss is about with Savile.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 12:34, 13 July 2021 (UTC)


 * What a delightful vintage tableau! Yes, these young snowflake Millenials, or whatever they're called. When I were a lad... you were lucky to have a room. We used to live in corridors.. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:46, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Kevin De Bruyne
Greetings. The passage you restored on this article blatantly violates WP:PEACOCK. It isn't necessary to claim he is widely regarded as anything, or that he is often described as anything. The first paragraph of the article already establishes that he is one of the better players by way of presenting pure fact. This is how articles are supposed to be written. Adding the peacock passage does nothing to improve the article, and detracts from the real facts of the player. It isn't necessary, it's redundant, and potentially misleading. I am removing it again. Please do not restore it without providing a reliable source that supports he is "widely" or "often described" as anything. Further, the way in which you attempted to add sources to the passage, by way of "[157]" for example, is not the way we add sources to an article. In particular, if you want to use a source that is already used in the article, you should read through Citing_sources on how to do this. If you have questions about this, let me know. But, again, please don't add this WP:PEACOCK passage again. Thanks, --Hammersoft (talk) 15:02, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello Hammersoft. I didn't "restore" anything you had removed. I added two different statements that are already in the body of the article? I actually agreed with your removal (as I explained at the Talk page). I added fully sourced material. The "facts" of De Bruyne's career are why he is "widely regarded as one of the best players in the world and he has often been described as a "complete" footballer." But the making of those statement are also facts in themselves. As far as I can see, all of those existing sources, which are given in the text, are WP:RS. I have no intention of edit warring, so there's really no need for you to request I don't restore. I am well aware of how to add sources properly, thanks: the "[157][158][159][160][161]" was a cut-and-paste error that I evidently did not have time to fix (and I thought that might have been obvious). This is a content discussion that is best discussed at Talk:Kevin De Bruyne. That's why I specifically opened a new thread and requested, in my edit summary, that we do that? Thanks so much. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I just don't see the point in adding it. The article is already gushing about his accomplishments (and well deserved). We don't need to add the peacock terms. Its redundant and meaningless in the context of so many other superlatives. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:18, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I see. Then we'll have to agree to disagree. You have your opinion. I have mine. If someone is considered to "the best" at something, I think he deserves to be described just like that. Compare with Ronnie O'Sullivan, for example, which open with ".. is an English professional snooker player who is widely recognised as one of the most accomplished and talented players in the history of the sport." That's in the very first sentence! I think it's a matter of choice, not not a matter of "we don't write articles like this" policy. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:31, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Then we disagree. There's a reason we have WP:PEACOCK to guide us. --Hammersoft (talk) 00:55, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's "guidance", isn't it. As far as I can see, my addition was simply "imparting or plainly summarizing verifiable information." If it's a question of prominence, it could neatly be added at the end of the lead section. If it really is "peacockery", you'll also need to remove to from the main body of the article, together with those eight sources that support it. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:00, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Now copied over to Talk:Kevin De Bruyne. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:18, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

File:Aleksis Kivi statue.jpg listed for discussion
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 * I see. Would it help if I had marked it as a "derivative work" like, for example, File:Sibelius monument.jpg? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:09, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Rocky Mountain Way.ogg
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 * B-bot-a-Lula, you're my baby. Thanks for that. It's not really an image, but never mind. It looks like that sneaky old Binky removed it from Rocky Mountain Way (song) here three days ago with the rationale "(removing non-free audio listening example per WP:NFCCP... no "contextual significance" has been supplied)". And I thought the file had all the necessary justification. It does seem to me to be "contextually significant" to an article about that song. Perhaps we ought to just add this 8 minute live version from Joe's VEVO? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 17 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I have been removing a bunch of non-free audio files from articles, ones that don't have any description of the audio heard in the file. Such a description is needed per WP:NFCCP number 8. To make this file comply with the requirement, a description can be attached alerting the reader to any part of the listening experience, for instance lyrics, instrumentation, production techniques, etc. Specifically on this file, which doesn't have any talk box sounds, one might focus on the vocals that are equalized to be thin like a telephone call, or the slow pounding rhythm, or you could tell about the words "couldn't get much higher" based on the Rolling Stone piece. The Jake Brown book Behind the Boards II has something from Bill Szymczyk about how Walsh first came up with an instrumental "blues-shuffle" recorded at Criteria, then stripped down to drums alone at Caribou and rebuilt from there, adding lyrics to make the final version we all know. Walsh is described as having layered about "six or seven" guitars on the recording, playing through a small amp with one Shure SM57 microphone aimed at it. Szymczyk says the thick guitar sound is from Joe himself, not from studio trickery. See chapter 1 of Brown's book. There's a lot of stuff there.
 * A second but minor problem with the audio file is that it shows up as 31 seconds. The maximum allowed by Manual of Style/Music samples is 30 seconds. Perhaps it needs a touch of trimming. Binksternet (talk) 18:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There certainly is a lot of stuff. That's practically a whole new article section right there...! I can easily add something to the upload justification. I might even have a go at chopping off a whole second. Or maybe I'll re-do to include a bit with the talk box. But then, as I said, if we've got the whole thing available via VEVO/YouTube... why bother?? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:25, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * So I've uploaded a new version, trimmed to exactly 30 seconds, and I've added "contextual significance" to the upload rationale. I've also started a "Production" section at the article. However, this upload at YouTube, at the Joe Walsh - Topic channel, is marked "Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group", so I'd suggest adding that complete track as the official audio instead. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:21, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey Binky.... "It wasn't like they played "musical chairs" with the guys in the band, they played musical bands". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:15, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * But this all begs the much more fundamental epistemological question: "can music ever be fully described in written words?", to which most people would almost certainly answer "No." Martinevans123 (talk) 13:58, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Time Out of Mind
Hi, yes this particular single is a bit tricky, though the site is the official Dutch charts database, it usually cites US and UK release dates. when I checked the label, it was not a US release, so I removed the '6'. though it's safe to assume the single was released around that time, as it charted on March 14 on Billboard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1983a (talk • contribs) 19:55, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Ray1983a, is this the single you are referring to? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:24, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Time Out of Mind.

after checking the catalogue number for the source, 'Reelin in the years' turns out to be the German single, so altough it was the official release date in that country, I don't know if it would have a place on wikipedia as The release date, probably better to use US dates when available. this was the reason I checked these dates again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1983a (talk • contribs) 21:49, 17 July 2021 (UTC)


 * See the details for the released parameter at Template:Infobox song. I assume for a single by a US band we would generally use the date of release in USA. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

One More Last Chance
6 minutes and 30 seconds of guitar heaven.. .Keb' Mo', Albert Lee, et al., et al. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * and some more. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ....Well, whaddayaknow. You wait all day for a beard to come past and then three come along at once. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:44, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Not bad at all. – Sca (talk) 22:17, 22 July 2021 (UTC).

Énormes escargots
US border agents seize 15 giant snails
 * Why doesn't really juicy stuff like this get nominated at ITN/C? Who cares about old Russian rockets? – Sca (talk) 22:12, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * EU Warning: Not currently permitted as an animal-derived product under the terms of the Northern Ireland Protocol. -- Snaily Lewis 123 (talk) 22:21, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Bill Gates' investment removed – why?
Why have you removed the fact that Bill Gates invested in an Israeli "security" company headed by Isabel Maxwell? Please explain that. --CarlPhilippTrump.me (talk) 16:03, 23 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hmm, well, overlooking the grammar issues that I mentioned in my edit summary: "deleting last para which looks like WP:SYNTH and also has grammar issues", I guess it was because the item said that Isabel was "the sister of Ghislaine Maxwell, which is accused of being Jeffrey Epstein's co-conspirator in trafficking child sex slaves", and you're topic banned from editing about Jeffrey Epstein? But this subject is probably best discussed, with the other three interested editors, over at Talk:Bill Gates? By all means ask over there. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:16, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

July 2021
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 * I have opened a thread at Talk:Ulting Wick. You seriously wish to consider blocking me from editing? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:09, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks to me like templating the regulators. But I did look at the page history and talk page discussion, and it does look to me like it should have been paraphrased more than it was. Happy gardening, everyone! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:24, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * By all means show us how it's done over there. Perhaps we should paraphrase the names of the magazines? But good on Yeeno for watching that article so closely (?) Must be a keen gardener, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:51, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * A quick personal note saying "maybe try adjusting that paragraph because it looks too much like the original, thanks" might have a more positive effect. { I used to make the effort of reporting possible copyvio to those editors who spend most of their time fighting it. But a few too many bare templates threatening a block saw my retirement from the copyvio Stassi. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:36, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks
Many thanks for copyediting my edit to Robert Jenrick. It is much appreciated. 81.157.210.47 (talk) 10:35, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * "S'no biggie, dude" (as those young tearaway Millennial snowflake kids would have it, no doubt). But I have asked about those two sources on the Talk page. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:38, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Did Richard Feynman use post-nominals?
You reverted my edit to the Richard Feynman page. Is there any evidence that Feynman cared about and used post-nominals? I doubt that he did. Also, his name is unique enough that the post-nominals aren't needed as a disambiguation tool either. I checked that the ForMemRS (as well as any other) post-nominals are missing from the article about Albert Einstein. I think that Richard Feynman deserves the same treatment. Leon.Manukyan (talk) 17:29, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Leon, Thanks for your note. Best discussed at Talk:Richard Feynman, I think. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:30, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

RIP Jackie Mason
"England is the only country in the world where the food is more dangerous than the sex." . Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Dusty Hill

 * Thank you, Spencer. If he's good enough for The Grauniad and Old Slowhand, then I guess he's good enough for us. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:58, 29 July 2021 (UTC)


 * "Just let me know if you wanna go, To that home out on the range."


 * He sang lead on this one. Tejas was their career highlight for me. Not a remix or a remaster or a synthesizer in sight! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC)


 * "You could say we were out of our mind, But let me tell you we were busily editing Wikipedia. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:26, 30 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for caring about him! Had the tree person, and two Polish musicians lined up ... but today is my 12th, DYK? (So: only fun work, a song of thanks, and expand a great woman.) I decorated, also for a birthday of that clan. Songs invite to more music, places, food and flowers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Interesting articles, Gerda. Many thanks for sharing. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:10, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * moar YT - composer/speaker pictured in August songs --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:40, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, Tatiana Sikorskaja is so good. Meanwhile... "Ridin' around in your jeep or your Benzos, Or in your Nissan sitting on Lorenzos" (if you know what I mean). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:28, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! - Today: 2 interesting DYK (I think), sadly 2 who died (on top of 2 from Poland yesterday), and a concert in which Daniel Barenboim just played piano, - and afterwards he and the orchestra received last year's prize (pictured). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Today: 3 DYK, including that the author dedicated a summer story to a license plate number ;) - Five rows of images added, sunflowers and butterflies continued, four rows of 15 August alone, - a rich Monteverdi day, - enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Today Giedrė Šlekytė --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:54, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

... and today: Teresa Żylis-Gara, the second soprano to impress me on stage, died, - long live the memory of her beautiful singing, remembered with thanks. 28 August 2013 was a special concert day: look. After Hillbillyholiday gave me a tree. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 28 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks Gerda. I will investigate. I miss Billy a great deal, as he was very funny and very engaged. He got blocked for doing what he thought the project needed. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ... as what I got restricted for. That was over in 2015, but some still don't let go of a conspiracy theory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, the 80s were great, weren't they! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I liked yesterday's Main page, with 4 bolded names I brought there, all in memory: nominating the TFA Mary Shelley, the pictured DYK (Alfred Biolek), and two under Recent deaths, Siegfried Matthus and Teresa Żylis-Gara (with 2 YT now). August harvest. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:55, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Verdi with the Polish Radio Symphony Orchestra is wonderful. Well done. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:51, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

What's her name
Finally the Poles do something positive. May if we give them praise they'll do more? – Sca (talk) 19:59, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * "Comin' over 'ere..... fixin' all the stuff we've broken..." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:53, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Vincent Van Gogh
I'm happy to help out, and can do so again if you have other similar requests. I do a lot of translation (English to French and French to English) in my spare time. Xuxl (talk) 12:02, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That's very good of you. Thankyou very much. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:15, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Mo Farah
Hello, just wanted to touch base with you regarding Mo Farah's lead. I noticed you accepted the inclusion of his birthplace prior to the nationality in the first sentence of the lead by another user, and was wondering what your thoughts were regarding this. I appreciate your participation on the talk page and just wanted to know your perspective. Apoorva Iyer (talk) 12:58, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Apoorva Iyer. Thanks for your note. I think that addition by User:Emily19911991 here was acceptable. I have just tweaked it in line with the Categories already listed for Farah. But I have no strong view - his place of birth is very clearly describe and linked at the star of the third paragraph of the lead. So it may be somewhat superfluous. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:04, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey Apoorva Iyer. I'm very sorry to see you have retired. I can only imagine it's because of the aggressive attitude of certain other editors. I do hope you might reconsider. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:21, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks
Dude.:) DBaK (talk) 15:17, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, Ravel! Heavenly. King of the Kazoo! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC) I lasted 2 minutes 30...


 * Gosh. How lovely. I'm very impressed that you made it to 150 seconds. Strangely, it says that Comments are turned off. Why on earth would anyone do that? Sheeeeeeesh. DBaK (talk) 20:16, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I shall resist posting yet again, a link to the Temple City Kazoo Orchestra (as featured, in the late 1970s, on his Radio 1 rock-show, by the late, great Mr Ravenscroft) but I urge you to search for yourself! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:25, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Rod Stewart
Just discovered this yesterday.. While I always liked his 80s kitsch stuff, may have to rethink my long held Rod in the 70s was evil stance. Its as good as the stones. Those drums/high hats! Ceoil (talk) 12:40, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow. Excellent. Have never had a copy of that one. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:11, 7 August 2021 (UTC) p.s. the live clip on YT from BBC's Totally British 70s Rock 'n' Roll also worth a look (features a very 70's tache and Ronnie's "distinctive" guitar)

How's it possible to have over 100,000 edits?
Also, do you speak multiple languages? Hælþ (talk) 10:43, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Hælþ


 * It's much easier than over 4 million? Most of my 181,049 are probably spelling mistakes corrections. I can read some other languages (very poorly) but can't really speak them very well. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:49, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Come to think of it, I should do more with speeling misteaks. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:37, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * You can't bite a bot of Kiwi pink. Better than having nothing to spray!! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:40, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I recently achieved my 600th deleted edit. What a wretched waste of time those mistakes must have been! The other 99.3% of lifebar I'll never regenerate was worth it, though, because 00.7% looks like 007 to drunk women in dark bars. Or, as the cool kids say, knackered birds in gloomy pubs. Or, and let's be honest here, to a hosed hoser hosily stroking his "withered and useless" ego in front of a couple of strange men on the Internet, before hosing himself off at home. In any case, cheers to one of you for being slightly over twice my size where it counts, and to the other for abstaining from this depraved lifestyle for so long! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:50, 14 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Some of my best edits were self-reverts. I'd be happy to delete a few hundred more for you. Just send me a list. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:22, 14 August 2021 (UTC) p.s. we talking hose here, or them hoes?
 * Hoser, and yes. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:48, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, so no relation to Yowsah! Yowsah! Yowsah!! Roger Niles 123 (talk) 12:55, 14 August 2021 (UTC)


 * ... that's all I want from you (only about 3 minutes shorter than it should be...) No article yet for Sherwood Fleming. But we do have one for Sophie Tucker: "Something to be Thankful For". Martinevans123 (talk) 19:48, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * When I said YouTube was nasty and left its poodles in charge, I was only half-kidding. I'll check out the clearly-titled links later, on the app, as God intended. "In The Meantime", I have no doubt those are all very clever allusions, and I shall ponder them deeply at the appropriate juncture, but for now, I'll give serious thought to this mass self-reversion scheme. If I pretend to be sorry for "fixing" just under 4,000 things, I can strut around wearing nothing but a Grandmaster badge. That'll show 'em I mean business! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ooh, get you! very flashy. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:02, 15 August 2021 (UTC) use your imagination man, it's just an allusion

Vandalism
Once you finally figure out what Bacha bazi is, please kindly remove your offensive comment on my talk page. Thank you. --212.74.201.233 (talk) 11:34, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * To whom is your slang jibe directed? Or are you're suggesting this is something practised by most Afghan men, who thus deserve all they get from the Taliban? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:36, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

The Fall
Some of us actually remember. – Sca (talk) 12:38, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, but suspect it may have missed "ongoing" by now. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:41, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Is it time for Ghani to get his gun yet? – Sca (talk) 14:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Or maybe just go to Uzbekistan. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:13, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for promoting my footnote to an independent article for Tregrug Castle – I'm honoured
Thank you for doing me the honour of promoting my footnote to a full article. Especially spiffy is that the new article replaces the former-redirect, giving Tregrug / Llangibi Castle its own, separate article. Why didn't I think of that?


 * Embarrassed, but happy regards/
 * Tom Lloyd William Lougheed
 * 107.127.18.43 (talk) 00:57, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * (Yeah, it's an "anonymous edit", I find it keeps down the noise from editors hacked-off by my redacting BC / AD to /, when I think I might get away with it.)
 * No worries. Thanks for your efforts. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:35, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've started tidying it up. Sorry, but it was a bit of a mess. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:43, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * There is a lot of ivy. But if it does date from the Late Middle Ages, I guess that's to be expected! Martinevans123 (talk) 07:54, 17 August 2021 (UTC) ... any relation? "We've been expecting you Mr. Guy"....
 * Have stuck some sources on the Talkpage. As an aside, I'm not at all sure that any of them agree with the Time Team conclusion that the building was primarily a pleasance. Another interesting point for me is the continuing dominance of the Williams family. When I lived about a mile from the castle in the 80s, Mrs Adams-Williams still owned a very great deal of Llangybi and the surrounding estate, as her forbears had done 400 years before. KJP1 (talk) 08:56, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. In my youth I often used to cycle to Llangybi and Llandegfedd and had friends at Coed-y-paen and at the forge. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:59, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Harry, Meghan speechless over Afghanistan
You'll be glad to know the Dynastic Duo have issued a statement saying they have been left speechless over the situation in Afnamistan. – Sca (talk) 12:32, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah yes. They also "... released a joint statement through their Archewell Foundation about the situation in Afghanistan, the earthquake and tropical storm in Haiti, and the continued COVID-19 pandemic." I guess they get all their best ideas from ITN on WP main page. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:36, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems they don't care about the situation in Zambia, though. How crass. Sca (talk) 12:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The death of Peter Fleischmann also seems to have passed them by completely. But let's hope Archie well. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for noticing Fleischmann, overdue. 3 DYK today, some record I believe, including the novel dedicated to a license plate, - found that better than the erotic scene of three (1931). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Una Stubbs

 * Many thanks. "I'm not a bloomin' kid, I don't wanna play with ma dinner!!" Martinevans123 (talk) 16:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

The Tally Band
Can the leopard change his spots? – Sca (talk) 22:08, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * "The Taliban so far have offered no specifics on how they will lead, other than to say they will be guided by Shariah, or Islamic, law. ... Beyond the difficulties of bringing food into the landlocked nation dependent on imports, she said that over 40% of the country’s crop has been lost to drought." Most of the country's money is, apparently, tied up in the US. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

All Souls
An editor has accused me of hounding them, but their edits exert a grim fascination as they seem to misunderstand quite a lot and the encyclopedia needs defending from some of their well-intentioned editing! Pam D  16:10, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, not good. That's a shame. Editors do sometimes make the same mistakes on multiple articles. And other editors sometimes make an effort to "check and correct" these. But that's hardly hounding. Maybe they're a noob? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:26, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Kinda just cramps your style, don't it. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:08, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

RIP Charles Robert
Still the best sax in a rock song ever.... but the drums are pretty cool too. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:16, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Give me a heart to hang onto. Rough Mix (1977). A great album. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:47, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Diversions
Parlez Monsieur Marty français? – Sca (talk) 22:28, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Alas: "Video unavailable: This video contains content from Lasso Group, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:31, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry. It was "The Commitments" with, alas, inexpungeable French subs. – Sca (talk) 12:46, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I will have to imagine what that's like.... (Any connection to this lasso. "I wonder". lol) Martinevans123 (talk) 12:52, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Our vast (5,600 words) article says the film has "gained cult status." Perhaps you could join up, bringing to the occult table your vast compendium of obscure knowledge. – Sca (talk) 14:13, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah yeah. Me and Magick Al are bezzies. He was speaking to me only last week... Septic Pig 123 (talk) 15:12, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Have you seen it? It's a great hilarious flick. – Sca (talk) 22:16, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Jimbo speaks...
... to Al. – Sca (talk) 12:33, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah bless. "Transparency in online spaces will empower internet users to have open, civil debates where we can embrace our differences and be clear about our own personal biases. This creates more productive conversations and will build communities instead of promoting conflict." I've never seen any conflict at Wikipedia. And if I ever do, I will be sure to stamp down on it like a ton of bricks! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I hereby declare that I have a conflict with you. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:17, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * "You fish... comin' over 'ere... crawlin' up onto the Talk pages... our Talk pages!!." Martinevans123 (talk) 08:26, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This video contains content from BBC Studios, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. – Sca (talk) 12:24, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Alas. Feel free to search for the copyvios... Stewart Lee on UKIP, Damned Immigrants, Coming Over Here! etc etc.
 * You betta! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:24, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

To answer your question...
When you hover over the link on wikipedia, or you're on the mobile version, the first picture in the article will pop up. That's why i put the lazrus bird. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dontuseurrealname (talk • contribs) 15:23, 3 September 2021 (UTC)


 * My questions at Ornithophobia (on 19 August) were "why a larus? not even mentioned in the article?". Would you like to answer my questions? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:48, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:16, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not a discussion about you but you are mentioned so I thought I'd give you a head's up. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:17, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for telling me. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:11, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Betty Bibbs
Thank you, Liza! No article yet for Berry Bibbs. "Everyone But Me" (Beulah Facyson) / "Enough For Everybody" (Beulah Facyson). A Jimmy McCracklin production. Kent: K 496: Rockin. (Beulah Facyson was Jimmy McCracklin's wife, it seems). What IS that second guitar?? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:22, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Gerda's September corner
Omas gegen Rechts - enjoy strong women! I thought of Yoninah on the first day of Rosh Hashanah. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Gerda. Oooh, yes, you've got to watch out for those grannies. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:47, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ....but not forgetting Kate, of course... Martinevans123 (talk) 16:21, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ... the same we mentioned in a Germany-related DYK ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:53, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The Germany-related DYK I am remembering, ist es nicht. lol Martinevans123 (talk) 17:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Which one? - Rich Main page today: the first TFA by a promising author, the pictured DYK by my friend LouisAlain who is discouraged by an AN discussion, and one of the Recent deaths. Enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:02, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Gosh yes, an embarrassment of German riches. And yes, Louis must be punished for his continued reckless misdemeanours. Am surprised he's not been indefinitely blocked for wilful unsourcing. How about we chain him in a dungeon and allow him to dictate his articles by semaphore on alternate Thursdays? Sounds fair to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:24, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Blame the German articles which often hide their sources well ;) - Pic of today's menu later, perhaps, first there's an article that would be best on Sunday, but is not ready, by LouisAlain of course. Sauces need to be added. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:33, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ... and what torture do you think TFA writer HAL333 deserves ? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:38, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, administratively, that's far easer, I think. That HAL sounds like a right oddity, doesn't he. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:44, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If they have no other argument they blame him for his sig. Or canvassing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks a bit like Good cop, Bad cop. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:09, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Who cares? We go by number of FAs, and good has only 1, and bad has 58, so he must be not so bad after all. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ... but at least said article has now 12 sauces! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Well done. I think we used to have them (when we were still part of a larger heritage). But luckily we're now saving at least £350M a week!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Also, some Septober songs: "Take away everything that we own We can even live without a home Have all the money if that is your goal But you'll never touch our soul." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * today: the day of bold red and black, for Dante who died 700 years ago, and Peter Fleischmann who died recently, leaving us films full of vision. Dante: just heard Inferno, imagined by a woman, the main character both speaking and singing with an inner 4-part voice! - Tickets bought for three operas, none of them ever heard yet, also at Oper Frankfurt. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:55, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Gerda, for your rays of encyclopaedic sunshine. Ah yes, the good old Comedìa... here's to Absent Friends... Prost!!. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:18, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I drink to that! Which of the new pics do you like best? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * today: moar music, Beethoven, and my brother was in the orchestra, 10 July --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:31, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * next chapter about the following day -Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:40, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

I-duh-ho. Sehr schmeckhaft, und 6% dazu. – Sca (talk) 17:38, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , you'll be erstaunt to know that yesterday I scored some genuine Paulaner Oktoberfest beer right here in Bozo,


 * Lol. Guessing you mean that one, not Clownsville. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:52, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I guess Paulaner had to sell it somewhere, as there's no Oktoberfest in Munich this year due to Death Invader. – Sca (talk) 22:22, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Compared with those ones.... much prettier?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:30, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Today: a woman in red (back to the beginning of the thread), two who died under "in memoriam" and LouisAlain missed - my first editnotice read: "Every editor is a human being" which is quoted from a comment by Geometry guy in a 2012 discussion on WP:AN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 27 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I now see that User:LouisAlain[ has been indefinitely blocked for "using machine translation". Presumably he was asked to stop and refused? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:44, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There's this loooong thread on AN I stopped reading. I didn't make the world kinder, but improved one article (I said: Help wanted). The edit summary for the block was that he lied. It may have been a misunderstanding of question and/or answer. And should an admin block who was offended? After the discussion was for a topic ban? - I don't think LouisAlain is in any mood to want to work in such company. Perhaps talk to him? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:50, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a bad block and very unfair. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:52, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There's a post-block "discussion", above "Help wanted" - wrong in time sort of, at least I didn't know of the block when I posted, only afterwards when I ran my watchlist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I wish Louis Allain all the best, and success in his unblock request, if he chooses to make one. As you will probably have seen, I tried to ask a few questions about the block at AN, and was accused by Fram of being a troll: "I probably should simply ignore the above trolling by Martinevans123 (or how else should one call such utterly ridiculous requirements from someone who apparently hasn't bothered researching the facts of the case for themselves, but insinuates that if not all 6000+ articles are checked and demonstrably machine-translated, somehow this would influence the block for some reason)." And by Berig. Levivich kindly confirmed he'd checked three, but clarified that yes, he thinks all 6000+ should be deleted "except any that have been substantially edited by other editors." The thread was closed by Ymblanter. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:23, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I was invited today to contribute "forward" but said it stills hurts too much. I didn't watch, trying to nominate 3 DYK. Managed 2, too late for the other. Feel sorry for the time you spent. 4 users died this year, - do we really have to drive more away? I don't think LouisAlain is interested in this company. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I had assumed he had been blocked for using using machine translation (Levivich summarised how there was consensus that prohibits a non-speaker from using machine translation to translate articles). Or perhaps for insulting other editors by comparing them to dead Nazis. But no, it seems he was blocked for lying. Or at least "lying by omission". He was asked if he'd ever used GoogleTranslate and he said he never had. In fact, he had been using DeepL instead (and this is very easy to prove, apparently). He admitted that he had used DeepL. But this was still "lying by omission" to the Goggle question. So he was indef blocked. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:08, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * We better be careful if lying by omission is a reason to be blocked, and questioning that is trolling, and otherwise respected admins endorse the block. I said in 2012 I never want to be one. WP:Great Dismal Swamp. You made my day by trying. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll go to bed now and hope for sweet dreams of freedom of speech. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

What is the meaning of this!?
What does this dude have to do with literally anything on your UP? Softlavender (talk) 05:22, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Shucks. He must have changed his name when he joined Roxy. Sounds much cooler than Brian.... (but not as cool as Zebulon, of course). Martinevans123 (talk) 08:45, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It's great if you have a tired head,
 * Once again the pigs rest in front of the fireplace.
 * Everything will be good if you are satisfied with the day,
 * And you can close the table tired of work.
 * When a warm cozy flame makes the evening even more beautiful,
 * Then the day, the tiring day is far from still barely remembering,
 * And your thought travels far from here, takes you to the blue country of your desires,
 * This may be the case when the flame burns.
 * - A message for us all there, I think. Marju Kuut and Uno Loop (1971), originally from the 1969 film  Двери ("Doors") groovy. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:05, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

About India Hicks
Hello there Martin, I am Gonebyreddust, I have read that you have reversed Miss India’s edit, actually I am going to provide a new content edit about her wedding today via The Telegraph, but as soon as I finished edit, the page has already been reversed by you, so it made an edit conflict, should I moved it again after I have finished edit her Personal Life Columns? Thanks.

Gonebyreddust (talk) 01:58, 11 September 2021 (UTC+8)


 * Hi Gonebyreddust. The last edit I made to that article was on 20 September 2018‎. But I have started a thread at Talk:India Flint Wood to discuss sourcing issues. It's probably best if you contribute there. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:24, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Maureen Wroblewitz
Hello. Help improve and copy edit. Thanks you. Kolpb (talk) 09:11, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello. Why not improve and copy edit a bit yourself? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 11 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Better not, because User Kolph is a

Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:19, 11 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Ah, thanks for telling me, Gareth. I feel slightly Wroblewitzed. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:40, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

thanks for attending to my Prince Andrew comment
Hi,

I really must be getting old, as I made a talk comment without realizing I'd already made essentially the same comment about a month ago. The recent news story had reminded me of what had bothered me, and I didn't remember I'd actually already asked about it. You found the phrase that was worrying me, and I shortened my comments on the talk page. Personally I think Andrew should have been honourable and confessed to contact, rather than lawyering up -- Roberts actually runs a charity about this stuff and she expected him to be a helpful witness, initially, which he should have been. Anyway, it really bothered me the illogic of that Times journalist saying in effect "Joe says he can't hear the TV because of that TNT explosion during the war, but we checked with experts and TNT is very loud and easy to hear." In that case summarizing the journalist as saying "experts disbelieve this explanation" would be ambiguous because the 'this explanation' that they disbelieve would be that everything was quiet including the TNT, but the "this explanation" that Joe gives they might have believed.

Maybe it doesn't matter much....Wikipedia is good about representing what people say and when it is stupid, it is seen as prima facie stupid. There is no need to comment on it. One can hope that there is an elite who realizes Andrew screwed up by not cooperating with Virginia Roberts and the journalist screwed up in his refutation of the sweating defense.

But I'd rather that someone who still has non-paywall access to the Times article can find some way of rewording that sentence not to be ambiguous.Createangelos (talk) 12:55, 11 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I agree. "No sweat", bro. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:10, 11 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I notice the 'verification needed' tag now...also your joke and link to sweatshop took me a half-hour to realize, I thought, hmm weird thing to say, must not be a native English speaker, then started laughing.Createangelos (talk) 15:02, 11 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Well, my Welsh is not that good. But sincere apologies for the habitual wiki pun surge. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:55, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Recent AN/I discussions
"This encyclopaedia is so hard to clean. If only there was an easier way!" By unpopular request: "Derek Bum and his Toilet Grenade". Martinevans123 (talk) 13:44, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * .... and talking of toilet grenades... mash-up!!

Ancestry research help
Hi, Martin.

I was wondering if you could help me with finding a precise date of birth for one Amy Stuart, born in Sunderland in 1893? She later changed her name (unofficially) to Mamie c. 1910-12 during her dance troupe performing days. I know she was born in the final quarter of 1893, but I cannot find her precise date of birth. Any help would be appreciated. Regards, --Kieronoldham (talk) 11:54, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Kieron. I guess this is her at FreeBMD. I will try and ask some people who have access to genealogy sites. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:01, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yep. That's her, Martin. She was killed in November or December 1919. Thanks for your help. Regards, --Kieronoldham (talk) 12:07, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah ok. I now see it's Mamie Stuart. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure. Various archive newspapers state she was either 25 or 26 when she died. Most say 26; some 25 Precise date of birth may help pinpoint her age when she died. Thanks again. Best regards, --Kieronoldham (talk) 12:19, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The birth date I have found - from unreliable sources, unfortunately (see my talk page) - is 24 November 1893. So, they would not have known her exact age at death, even at the time.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:20, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Her date of birth has been discovered only recently, or at least after December 1919? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Presumably her family knew, but it seems that she was 25 when she disappeared but may have died after her 26th birthday. There may have been some confusion in the press - I haven't looked at the story in detail.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:39, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Could I ask for assistance with another case, Martin? Is there any chance you or one of your contacts can find the full name of Gacy victim Michael M. Marino (Feb. 8, 1962 - Oct. 24, 1976?) He was identified in 1980 so some death records may log his date of death as 1980 instead of '76? I cannot find his middle name anywhere. Any help would be appreciated. Regards, --Kieronoldham (talk) 13:07, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Kieron. Hope you are well. I'm not sure anyone I know can help with American BMDs, but I will ask. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:38, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks,. All's well at the moment. Hope you're fine too. Appreciate your help here. Several websites I cannot access because, although they proclaim "our European visitors are important to us," we cannot access them.--Kieronoldham (talk) 14:38, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Am very well, thanks. Oh, I see. Feel free to paste them here. Or else just e-mail me (together with your $20 PayPal payment, lol). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:44, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Any updates with this, Martin? Thanks. :)--Kieronoldham (talk) 15:13, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Have you got those website addresses? I guess you have no idea where or when Marino was born? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * He was born February 8, 1962 and reported missing in October of 1976. Cook County medical examiners identified his body in March 1980. Several sites either request a subscription fee or are off-limits to European visitors. This is Marino's entry on ancestry.com; it is the closest match I can find.--Kieronoldham (talk) 16:13, 14 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Ah, you're searching from UK, not form US? Let's hope he wasn't like Harry S. Truman or Michael J. Fox or J. K. Rowling, or you may be searching a long time! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:20, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed I am, Martin. So many barriers I gave up trying to search last year. Was hoping yourself or an individual you know may be able to access one of these sites to find his middle name? Thanks in advance.--Kieronoldham (talk) 16:33, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I wonder would User:Atsme be able to help us out? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:43, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Martin - I'll look at it and let you know what I find. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 18:06, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much, Atsme! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Howdy, Martin - in my capacity as a member of WP:VRT, I have received email notification from a family member confirming Mamie's birthdate as 24 November 1893. They also confirmed that she had a brother, James Smith Stuart born in 1897 – as well as her older sister, Edith Mary. I will get an OTRS ticket # assigned. Hope that helps. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 18:35, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Atsme, but we've done Mamie already! Kieron's now after a victim of the lovely John Wayne Gacy, called Michael M. Marino..... Martinevans123 (talk) 18:47, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Any updates here, Martin? Hope you don't mind me asking again. :)--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:09, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry no. I will ask User:Tryptofish if has any ancestry contacts. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:43, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Clevor Trever.ogg
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 * Oh well. Here's the whole lot. Jankel genius. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:25, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

James Joyce
Thanks for keeping on eye on the work. It'll probably need a number of eyes as it goes along, and if I can make sure that as many sources as possible are now verifiable online, that will help others too. I'll keep cleaning as I go along, though the next couple of days, I'll just have to let things hang. It'll be a good period anyway to let folk weigh in with any concerns regarding citations and the like.

Wtfiv (talk) 15:52, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


 * My copy of Stan Gebler Davies' James Joyce: A Portrait of the Artist(1982) does not mention any failed exams in Chemistry. But presumably this would have been at Belvedere College, as he studied Modern Languages at UCD. Davies does point out, however, that his Irish degree was of no use for his being admitted to the Sorbonne to study Medicine. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:47, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up on Davies! I've added him to the sources, so he'll be available to use to create verifiable links.
 * With respect to Joyce failing chemistry in Dublin. Please note that I didn't add the line; it was there before I came to the page. (Please see the Septembrr 2021 version edited by you with the Ellmann citation).  I just tried to find the nearest passage in the citation that aligned with the text.  Please feel free to modify the text and citation anyway you see fit.  Alternatively, I'll attempt to see what other sources say, and add as follows.  I may reword in line with Ellmann, but again, feel free to reword in line with the text as you see ft.  One of my major goals righ now is less about content and just ensuring verifiable text-source integrity!  So please make whatever changes you think are right!
 * And again, just know I jumped on your talk page mainly to say I appreciate you are keeping an eye on ensuring the text-source integrity too, as I start trying to dig out verifiable texts.  I appreciate it! Wtfiv (talk) 02:45, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, of course. It wasn't you who added that. It's been there a while. The "real" reason Joyce gave up his studies, according to Davies, as mentioned by Ellman, was that he was asked to pay the fees upfront. Davies also says he spent more time in other anatomical investigations - visiting prostitutes. Thanks for your note. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:12, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for John Challis

 * Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:31, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Boris Johnson
Hello. You have recently contributed to this article or its talk page. Please see this discussion on the talk page. You are welcome to take part if you are interested. Thanks. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:05, 2 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, "tank-topped bum boys" and Muslim women who look like letter boxes. He hasn't even got someone else to make him look slightly less stupid, any more. But thanks for the invite. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:13, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * LOL. Brilliant, Martin. Thanks and all the best. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:18, 2 October 2021 (UTC)


 * " -- Hereward the Woke, 6 October 2021. lol

Gerda's October corner
I uploaded new pics (click on songs), including "our" concert (after exactly two years without) and a cow sunset --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:00, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Cow sunset is quite amazing. . Martinevans123 (talk) 20:56, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the jazz! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Quite a meme over there! "I can't cry anymore, While you run around"!! (Tom Scott – tenor saxophone) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:17, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ... running to more sweet dreams - what was the last? ... freedom of speech? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ... and I woke up to superb literary insight on my German talk - Fräulein Bürstel aka Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you advertise a link to your German Talk? We're all woke these days, dear. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:25, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Heavens, no, too dangerous material. The German word for user is Benutzer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * What a relief. I would have had to use an unnamed machine translation device. Oh yes, I remember "retired and extremely dangerous". Martinevans123 (talk) 10:38, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I miss the user who is pictured on father. - Has it happened to you that someone said a red link would absolutely be better than the article you wrote? I'd take four-letter words better than that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * That sounds particularly mean and vindictive. Unless you were some kind of newbie troll vandal, perhaps. But all kinds of editors get described as "trolling" these days, it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:15, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Still the same AN thread which you said you'd unwatch. Please don't. Opera now, watch Amadigi please, - no more dangers from me for some hours. Tomorrow: DYK #1700, pictured! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Holy Father: "If you keep looking at AN/I treads son, you'll go blind, so ya will."
 * Young Wikipedian: "It's alright Father. I'll just risk the one eye." --Martinevans123 (talk) 19:10, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

As promised: today #1700, and I uploaded more images, mostly blue and green, for hope. I agree about WP:Great Dismal Swamp but we can't remain silent. Fr.B. aka Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Well done!! And thanks to LouisAlain and Grimes2, it seems.
 * Drain the swamp: * Helen Hunt Jackson (1830–1885) wrote that to "clear the swamp" (the first obvious step to reclaiming "poisonous and swampy wilderness") was an apt metaphor for how to start addressing "the disgrace to us of the present condition of our Wikipedians." [Note: slight wording amendment]. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:11, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Give them their thanks, please. - You'd make a good member of the cabal of the outcast ;) - with others being the one who coined the swamp redirect (#2, banned), and the one who wrote the swamp article (#1, blocked, article made GA while blocked, which was my first ever). Would you join, or should I make you an honorary member such as LouisAlain and RexxS? We seem to loose the honorary ones even faster than the others ... - but I sing hope. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds great. Please feel free to overlook me. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:26, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You know what they say, "Rome wasn't built in a day" (... because the builders had another job on, and the scaffolding was double-booked....) Martinevans123 (talk) 15:46, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Building is slow, crushing is fast, as we can watch. Today's DYK also by teh gang. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Anton Josef Reiss very nice article. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:03, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * the latest talk about "unwerte Artikel" (worse than a red link) really troubles me. Are we going to have to pass exams to deliver an article? The good old days, when Jerome Kohl, a Stockhausen expert, helped me in a friendly and factual way with my second article, telling me that the RS quoted was wrong. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:13, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, **wipes small Pontardawe tear from eye** Martinevans123 (talk) 16:21, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Reiss was sent to draft with a long edit summary about how unworthy - today, I translated from German myself, and realised how difficult it is, and how much time it takes - our next conductor, we sang happy birthday to him on concert day, - 30, imagine! He played the piano in one of the Rossini rehearsals, softly and exquisite, - no ref for that ;)--Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it all takes time. "Oh and if you fight back, you're insane... " (from 1979 "Peel Sessions", SCORCHING guitar by Bob Ward). Martinevans123 (talk) 16:49, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * copyvio! you stole that from theleekycauldron (well, I said crazy not insane)!! - Ritchie, any chance you are with us? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:50, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * today, mostly black&white, and standing upright as Psalm 15 says --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * "He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour, not calleth ones neighbour a troll, nor persisteth with trouble within the dark booths of AN/I." Martinevans123 (talk) 14:40, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * love it - there's a little movement in the swamp, - were you pinged or do "trolls" not get pinged? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * "Let's reel 'em in guys!" One has to always AGF. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:03, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Who is One? He has backbited to the expectation of kowtow as had to be expected. (?) - anyway, I uploaded 2 more pics, and you are the one to tell --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ? ... or not. He's still upset that he was indef blocked for "lying by omission". Except that the blocking admin seems to agree he was blocked for far more. Perhaps that's all inconsequential administrative detail? Does he have access to his own Talk page or not? Not since 26 September? Again, it's not very clear. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:33, 12 October 2021 (UTC) File:Five-leaved ivy, Ehrenbach.jpg is particularly vibrant, by the way.
 * I think one thing is clear, that it's over. And I profit, getting "my" articles translated into French. Au revoir LouisAlain, bienvenue endless IP numbers, - I'd prefer the other way round. Yes, vibrant where I live. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:42, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think most people would prefer a restricted user with a name, to an endless series of Paris IPs. And then there's the 1400 articles to delete? Should all keep some folks quite busy, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:50, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You can opine in the first try. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:56, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah shucks. Not just stubs, then. Good luck. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:04, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Almost the opposite of stubs, and often working on command (not without protest), informing us about the authors of sources and sufferers under the Nazis, - well, today I remember the banning of Br'er Rabbit begun nine years ago OTD, and I had to celebrate a birthday in bright sunshine. Today, that same birthday, but I go sing in choir for a funeral, of a woman who was supposed to sing last Sunday but suddenly died. Two recent deaths on the Main page and one waiting. It's part of life. I keep singing in defiance of the old dragon, death and fear. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * today: see yourself, read about a hymn praying to not be on earth in vain, about a comics artist whose characters have character (another collaboration of the "perennial gang", broken by one of us banned), and in memory of the last prima donna assoluta, Edita Gruberová. I had to go to two grave sites last week, one who died now, one who died 10 years ago, so standing upright and in black seems appropriate. More colours - but subdued - can be had on hikes, - updated. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Two more today, again one by the gang, and more colour! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:45, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Today: a scandal, and more fall colours, including a short sermon. Haitink also on the same Main page, finally. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Today: memories in friendship --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:12, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Significant day in many respects - missing people here began 31 October 2010. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:18, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * "I've been asking some people, if they remember A girl they forgot, with brown eyes, hair cut, red dress" Martinevans123 (talk) 14:11, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Free Harambe
Now that Geronimo gets to keep his name long after his last war whoop has faded, your great idea for the great ape could have legs. Please do the honors and they will come. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:26, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Might be worth a punt. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:28, 11 October 2021 (UTC) Urrghh, not them again. I don't want them cumming, thank you.
 * Breaking the canvassing law per WP:IAR. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ron Paul?? How 'bout RuPaul!? "Tell her to her face!" Martinevans123 (talk) 20:15, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

✅ Randy Kryn (talk) 16:25, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yay!! A major step forward for all gorilla-based articles. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:29, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Short descriptions
I fear that deleting them will only encourage other editors to put them back. I assume that there was a decision somewhere to add descriptions of the bleeding obvious. ;O) Thanks for taking the trouble to edit the article, it's been quiet for a few years. Keith-264 (talk) 11:35, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Cheers. My interest arises from File:Nash-Oppy Wood.jpg. Yeah, I guess the best we might hope for is a marginal improvement on the Wikidata ones. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:41, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy notice - Sanctions for biographical articles
--Hipal (talk) 21:02, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much for the warning-that-isn't-a-warning. Seems I've been singled out for special attention. But I'm not sure why. From your comment at Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard here: "The article is a huge BLP and NOT violation as it is.", it's pretty clear which side of the fence you'll come down on? I suggested at Talk:Katie Price, here, 8 days ago, that "... we return to the last "stable" consensus version, of three days ago, and then discuss possible edits one topic at a time." But my suggestion was ignored. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:21, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You think it's just "idle gossip" that ""In September 2021, Price was taken to hospital after a car crash near Partridge Green, which is located close to her home in Horsham" and that "Later that month, Price pleaded guilty to driving drunk without insurance and while disqualified"? You think that somehow these facts are "BLP violations"? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:29, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Best to WP:FOC. --Hipal (talk) 23:24, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I quite agree. Like the two sentences above, for example. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Oh, but hang on. Not completely singled out... I see that Escape Orbit also gets one. And of course, there's the lengthy "welcome" you've added at User talk:Cameron Dev, which also did not go down too well. Does User:EnPassant get a nice template too? Not so much. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:06, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

A shame you never got a chance to drop one on the talkpage of our erstwhile train enthiusiast Dave Cameron Devious, who apparently wants us to attack the moon now? Gosh, like London buses aren't they.... you wait ages for one to come along and then you get a whole bus load from Abertillery. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:38, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Kongsberg attack
Evidently, something was rotten in Denmark, famed Land of Hygge. – Sca (talk) 13:37, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * "An everyday story of radicalised country folk"... hence "Ephemeral spot news". Martinevans123 (talk) 14:06, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * SCA PREDICTS: Next time it will be a Swede with a crossbow who had converted to Sikhism. – Sca (talk) 14:44, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, The Seekers, how lovely! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:53, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Did they ever find another yew? – Sca (talk) 15:32, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * That's Dame Judy, not Judith Cock! So you're barking up the wrong tree. (I must watch that, though!) Martinevans123 (talk) 15:39, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems you plagiarized my crossbow notion. No shame? – Sca (talk) 18:39, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you cross?? lol If I had noticed, I certainly would have plagiarized. But alas, I must have missed it. So sorry. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:49, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh that one . You just can't trust those armed root vegetables, can you. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:03, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Bright Idea No. 2,021
How about posting Jimbo Peeking on the Errors page? – Sca (talk) 13:43, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * He's too busy getting a light snack Martinevans123 (talk) 13:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * What, no anchoviesin there? – Sca (talk) 14:02, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * "I see Wikipedia as both a sanctuary and a pleasure palace". Martinevans123 (talk) 14:21, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

RIP Paddy Moloney
Farewell Paddy Moloney. Another music genius. . sad news Martinevans123 (talk) 09:35, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Tea for Two
Good to hear from you. Please read talk page on "Tea for Two". Thanks! Tillywilly17 (talk) 10:35, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did thanks. Good work! Well spotted. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:37, 17 October 2021 (UTC) p.s. but beware of unintentional copyright violation (even on Talk pages). Thanks.

Copyvio
Hello there. I hate to 'template a regular', but do please take care not to copy/paste sentences that might breach our strict policies on copyright. This recent edit you made to the Chris Packham article appears to have directly lifted two sentences from this BBC News source. I'm sure you appreciate how important it is that we always strive to add even the briefest of content in our own words. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:11, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for pointing that out, Nick. And thanks for fixing it. I have added "including foxes and badgers" directly from the BBC source, as I think that explains it further and is more graphic. I trust that's not a breach of copyright. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll let you off! LOL Nick Moyes (talk) 23:39, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * phew! I mentioned two masked men, who set a vehicle on fire at the gate, causing extensive damage once, but "I think I got away with it...." I'd better "beware of unintentional copyright violation (even on Talk pages)" Martinevans123 (talk) 22:08, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Bernard Haitink (1929 – 2021)
RIP Bernard Haitink.
 * Brahms: Symphony No.3 in F, Op.90 - 3. Poco allegretto · Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra · (1970). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * See my talk, excellent memories. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * We got four minutes from the 2nd movement of Beethoven 7 on Today this morning. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:23, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The delay in posting the Haitink RD is getting quite annoying. – Sca (talk) 12:40, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Um now, after 16 hours, it needs another {cn} attending to? Slightly frustrating. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:45, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You've got mail, as they used to say. – Sca (talk) 13:20, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I wonder about that too! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:29, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Reports of one's death are an exaggeration...
Well, I'm disappointed. No-one has said that Elizabeth II is dead yet. It would undoubtedly have happened with Prince Philip by now.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 10:53, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sure Morrisey would have told us. Poor woman, she deserves a rest. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:57, 22 October 2021 (UTC) p.s. ....we don't want the hospitals getting clogged up with old folks now that the Universal Credit £20 uplift has been withdrawn....
 * I do hope she's not been eating slugs again. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:08, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Her Majesty says she's not not eating slugs. Britmax (talk) 11:36, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * "At her breakfast table cereals are presented in Tupperware containers."
 * "She also likes yoghurt, and marmalade on toast, sometimes tossing the crusts to her beloved dogs."
 * What?! No Royal Doulton?? Shocking!! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:46, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

New Wikipedia Guideline Proposed which you might be interested in
Hello. I am letting editors know who participated in the recent discussions that decided whether the Killing of David Amess should be called "killing, murder, or assassination", about a new Wikipedia essay being proposed for a new guideline. The essay, Assassination, explains how the common definition of "assassination" does not determine an article's title. Only reliable sources can determine whether it is murder/killing or assassination. Since you participated in those recent discussions, I wanted to drop a message to you about this new proposal. If you want to leave your opinion about it, you can do so in this discussion. Have a good day and keep up the good editing! Elijahandskip (talk) 03:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for telling me. "Assassination" is not much used these days in British English to describe the killing of British politicians. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:17, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Except Spencer Perceval.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 13:52, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Murdered by a lone crank with a grudge is probably more accurate, but assassination has stuck.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 13:56, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. Assassination of Spencer Perceval tells us that "He petitioned the Prince Regent before resuming his efforts with the Privy Council, the Home Office and the Treasury, only to receive the same polite refusals as before. He then sent a copy of his petition to every member of Parliament, again to no avail." But even John Bellingham starts ".. was an English merchant and perpetrator of the 1812 murder of Spencer Perceval, the only British prime minister to be assassinated." Martinevans123 (talk) 14:03, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Elton John spider
Lol.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 07:51, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * lol. Don't Go Breaking My Web. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:39, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Still better than Boris. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:20, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, how we laughed, with Lady Hale. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:04, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * But people can be offended by anything these days.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 17:14, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * One can't be too careful in the office. When is comes to woke man-jewellery, I always go for the Lemmy look. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Clowns as well. This is known as Coulrophobia-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 18:27, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah jeez, clowns, don't get me started. Folks these days are just paranoid. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Isn't his hit notable
Tony Steward's cover version has been made before David Parton's, and his charted. Your obsession with my description of who Tony is, made you overlook those wikiworthy facts. So this action https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1046989225 is wrong motivated and therefore abusive behaviour. 109.37.157.104 (talk) 23:23, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Tony Steward is not notable on en.wiki, so I'm not sure that his cover version of "Isn't She Lovely" is necessarily notable. I'm also not sure that my one revert of your unexplained addition constitutes an "obsession". Which "wikiworthy facts" have I overlooked? The source you gave was this one, but I don't see any mention of Steward's single, or even David Parton's single, there. Perhaps Parton's single reaching No. 29 in the Dutch Nationale Hitparade could be added, if a suitable source could be found. But I don't think my initial revert was "wrong motivated and therefore abusive behaviour." Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:00, 26 October 2021 (UTC) p.s. I've also reverted your addition to Jimmy McCulloch here as it's unsourced.

Front page tribute
And now, Ladies and Gentlemen, for a little number entitled: "She was only the Evangelist's daughter, but she certainly ate a lemon". "hay thang you..." Martinevans123 (talk) 13:18, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Edith Sitwell
Hello: not sure where to put this. We were discussing verifiable sources for the details of Edith Sitwell's death. I notice there are shedloads of biographies wsome of which give the information. All we need to do is to find someone who has read them all, who could surely give us chapter and verse. Problem is, how would we find such an expert? All the best Foiled circuitous wanderer (talk) 15:12, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Any good online source will do. I've added a suggestion at Talk:Edith Sitwell. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk)

Gerda's November corner
In November, I can offer some reading, - three feast days in a row, reformation followed by All Saints' and All Souls. On All Saints, we sang in choir in a mass - a 2021 first - and rehearsed (with the other group) for the next such thing next Sunday. All Souls is the birthday of the subject of my first article who will play a major concert on 14 November. Today we "celebrate" the first DYK for which LouisAlain laid the base in a German sandbox, - needlessly complicated but working. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

As you may have seen, that was also the last. - I thought of you seeing this angel! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 10 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, sadly. But I guess where de.wiki leads, en.wiki will eventually follow. Without any machine translation. of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * perhaps - what do we do about Wildes Holz? - The other day, I heard an opera conducted by Titus Engel. Had missed creation of that article. Do you think improving it is permitted? We have a translation of Börsenblatt, but taking it would be proxy, no? So start it from scratch, probably only to arrive at a similar thing? Kafka wherever I look. But Verdi was great! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 10 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I guess "we" have to search for sources. But you're probably better placed than most. Glad you enjoyed the Verdi... oooh "Nice!" Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * trailer --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * update on St. Martin's Day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:31, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Don't call him a saint. It will go to his head. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:39, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I found an article to match: a soprano nèe Martin who studied with some Martini, - pictured on the Main page. How do you like his pinkish horse? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * ... the nearest I'll get to sainthood. But I like the sound of a pinkish horse. --Martini undone 123 (talk) 23:04, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Well I'm sure it's quite a ride! --Tryptofish (talk) 23:13, 11 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Speaking of pink ponies, our favorite admin's little girl. Or, you might prefer this take on that subject. Softlavender (talk) 03:57, 12 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Ha! Now we know who advises on those difficult Admin decisions. In future I'll take my grievances to a higher power. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:53, 12 November 2021 (UTC)  ...And talking of celestial bodies and porn stars, I think it's so important to put yo' pinky ring up to the moon, don't you?

Did I hear grievances? On a friend's concert day, 3 DYK, Brahms depicted + sadly Aga Mikolaj (listen!). May the roads that we travel make us meet again! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:18, 14 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much, Gerda. Yes, that's a great shame at the age of only 50. Tragic. Vier letzte Lieder is probably my favourite Strauss ever. That "Frühling" is just incredible (well they all are, of course). Martinevans123 (talk) 18:17, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, a great loss. I would not have known about her without you-know-who. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:11, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Then I have to thank him as well. And probably hundreds of others. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:29, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. Today we received the annual arbcom message, which made me think. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanksgiving music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * now "juxtaposition of the sublime and the trivial" + Advent music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The memory of SlimVirgin is pictured again today, in the context of my dangerous thoughts about arbcom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:21, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Un gros tubercule
How about you nominate Doug, putatively the world's biggest potato, for an RD? At 7.8 kg., Doug, recently exhumed in NZ, looks to depose a 2011 Guinness-record spud from Britain that weighed just under 5 kg. He has a name, so he must meet our sacred ITN paremeters. (Since Doug currently resides in a freezer, he has indeed peeled off his mortal coil). . – Sca (talk) 18:26, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * For a moment, I worried this was un gros tumeur, but I'm relieved to find that it's just a pomme de terre. --Spuds MacKenzie (talk) 18:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't get how those Kiwis can even bring themselves to eat "...a couple of sacks of regular potatoes, or one small dog." And anyway, to me it looks a lot like the Baby Jesus. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC) p.s. I do enjoy he occasional kiwi, but I always have to leave the feathers...
 * Full disclosure: This user is a resident of I-duh-ho, in which state the license-plate motto is <font color=DarkGreen>FAMOUS POTATOES</font color=DarkGreen> – Sca (talk) 22:26, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Best wishes to you and all the family. --Eddie King 123 (talk) 22:34, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Just so you'll know, Doug is rapidly becoming an international cause célèbre, if only posthumorously. Time to nominate! – Sca (talk) 12:27, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, I think we might need an article like Doug (giant potato) first, before we can nominate at IT Recent Deaths. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:35, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That would be work – and on a Friday, too. – Sca (talk) 12:39, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sure it would be a real groove. Would go down well in Guernsey. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:11, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

One on't cross beams gone owt askew on treddle
Enter Reg, cap in hand: "Trouble at mill." Lady Mountback: "Oh no. What sort of trouble?"

I knew it wasn't gong to be a good day for Boris when I heard poor Kwasi, on Today this morning, neatly being put through the mincer by Swift Nick. Owch, (from 2:12:40). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's going to be a good month for Boris, if you know what I mean. Not sure how much longer the rotter is going to last at No. 10. Softlavender (talk) 00:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Whatever are you saying?! If Boris needs to take a private jet to fly back to London from COP26 to have dinner with Daily Telegraph columnist Charles Moore at the Garrick Club, then he's perfectly entitled to do so! He probably had a very polite non-belching beef steak. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:27, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank God the Labour Party is there to rescue us all. Softlavender (talk) 10:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


 * More like "OMG, I Can't Believe It's Not Labour!" or, as I call them... "Keir Hardly and the Hard Lights". And how could we ever give up Our Sainted First Lady of Downing Street!? If anyone can get No 10 clean, Carrie can! Martinevans123 (talk)


 * Remember, Remember, we can throw the whole lot of them into the fire tonight. At least in effigy. Sizzle sizzle. Softlavender (talk) 11:41, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Ah yes. Has Paul not been given his left peerage yet? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:49, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Curious what images "left peerage" brings up on a Google image search. Especially if you click that "suppressed images" link down at the bottom. Softlavender (talk) 11:58, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm a big fan of Virginia Woolf's Neuropsychiatry, especially when she's in an Amazing Push-Up Everyday Non-wired Bra. Sorry, yes, that was a Clement Freudian slip. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:07, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Best of both
I know the ladies of the WI will join me and all the other constituents of that sleepy little Devon backwater in sending Mr Cox their best wishes in his two jobs. We can't let that nasty row, over the tax status of the village hall, affect our post-Brexit supply of British virgins. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:22, 10 November 2021 (UTC) p.s
 * Lad, who needs the BVI when you've got the world's most corrupt tax havens right in your own backyard (or back garden, as you lot so irrationally insist upon saying)? Softlavender (talk) 22:03, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Indeed, who needs those skinny Caribbean girls when you can get your hands on some trusty full fat cows! But you just can't trust old Johnny frogs legs, you know. --"An everyday story of farming sleaze 123" (talk) 10:51, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Just in for Christmas:, , , Martinevans123 (talk) 11:59, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Priceless. -- Softlavender (talk) 22:23, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Lionel Blair

 * Thank you, PFHLai. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:55, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Although this happened earlier, seemed too odd so I restored the sources, but probably needs to be monitored... The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:57, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That does look quite odd. Many thanks for that and thanks for letting me know. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:59, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

In case you didn't see it
Thanks for the ping thanks M. Your mention of Miriam prompted me to leave this in case you didn't see Eileen Atkins hilarious comparison of their memoirs. Have a fun week. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:20, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hahaha. Charity work is so important, I feel. "100 pages shorter", lol. I had not seen that one actually! Thanks so much. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:05, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Glad you liked it :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:08, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Steve Coogan's "Eerie" Savile
No it's not eerie, he doesn't look a bit like Savile, more like Alan Partridge wearing a blonde wig.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 09:10, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yikes. "Creepsville, Noo Joizey".... . 09:49, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Dubreq website
I was looking at this, but there is something missing. Have you guessed what it is yet?-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 15:28, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hopefully someone will have saved an archive version with that real star of the Stylophone still featured... £14.50 (not including batteries) was a lot of money in 1978! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:37, 15 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank goodness for the Wayback Machine, it remembers everything.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 15:49, 15 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Lol. "Dubreq would like to pass on our very best regards to Rolf and congratulations on his incredible half-century career. Long may he continue to have his kangaroo restrained." That's not a euphemism, is it. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:59, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Flobbadob barnstar
Dear Martinevans123 Thank you so much for the barnstar! I really appreciate it - have done a lot of very detailed writing for Wikipedia for seven years or so and your kind award is the first proper recognition I've had. You have really made my day 😺Flobbadob (talk) 18:44, 16 November 2021 (UTC)


 * You are very welcome. Patient and methodical editing. Well deserved! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:48, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

The Fable of the Village Vamp and the Higher Education
Click here for good honest fun! Now turn to Page 27 for what we're really after (or Page 29, as the Internet misremembers it). Something tells me you might Dig That Diction. If not, carry on merrily with Whatever presently commands your undivided attention. Curious lurkers, same deal to you! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:54, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I dug it (and might have dug it even deeper had I been imbibing). I was strongly reminded of A Clockwork Orange. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:51, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes "too many brains spoil the Complexion". A lesson from Agnes for us all there, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:50, 19 November 2021 (UTC) p.s. but I know what you mean about all that weird Wikispeak.
 * And if Nasdaq doesn't work for you, there's always NYSE. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:03, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Down here in Lliswerry, we've got "Polari with two LLs", dearie. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:49, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Up here, we spell "Kizarny" with A Similar Drawl. Not where I live, mind you, but where I've been. Not sure what Llandscape llull you've llinked afore, mein drugel, but their article seems "legit", so something similarly Spotified this way soon surely comes...thanks for reviewing! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:26, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * "The Doll House", "Eastern Girls" and "It's Not My Name" take the bronze, gold and silver (in no particular order), but nothing on that album totally sucked, just maybe some "sometimes songs"... a solid C. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:55, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * "From the Tea-rooms of Mars .... to the Hell-holes of Uranus"... much like so many Talk page threads, really. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:58, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

News Flash
BBC: Meghan says Harry is loving the California lifestyle
 * – Sca (talk) 13:55, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Good old Ellen DeGenerate. Did you know.... that they named their son after Archie Bell & the Drells?? Not a lot of people know that, even those close to the Sussexes. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:36, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

whilesmear

 * Başlığı değiştirme hocam böyle bir film var kaydadeğer (There is such a movie, don't stop changing the title sir) --46.106.233.103 (talk) 17:48, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, that 2020 film does seem to exist. But you added it, for the second time, here, to the No Future article. That's a Disambiguation page, so the entry doesn't really belong there, as there is no article for the film, there seems to be no alternative target article where it is mentioned, and there are no external source(s) provided demonstrating its notability. IMDb is not considered WP:RS as it is user-generated. If you think that the film, by Andrew Irvine and Mark Smoot, and staring Catherine Keener, Charlie Heaton and Rosa Salazar, is notable, by all means go and create an article for it. I'm sorry, I'm not sure what "whilesmear" means. And my Turkish is not very good. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:25, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Dylan Thomas
Hi, I thought the para on boiled eggs was trivial stuff and a distraction.Crystalshrub (talk) 18:26, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can see your thinking there. But I'd say it was a very vivid illustration of what a "big kid" Thomas was for most of his life. I'd be happy to keep it, but maybe a discussion on the Talk page might be best. Meanwhile, how about a few edit summaries? I count 69 edits you've made to that article all without a single edit summary? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:40, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

I'd be glad to if I knew how....... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crystalshrub (talk • contribs) 13:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I've posted you a template. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:56, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crystalshrub (talk • contribs) 15:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Don't forget to sign all your Talk page posts with four tildes: "~" . Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:57, 25 November 2021 (UTC)


 * You actually have copies of Carmarthen Journal for March 27 and December 11 1908? I am guessing they have adverts for Jim Jones' farm sales. But I'm really not sure this is the level of detail needed for that article. We just need a good visible WP:RS saying that he wasn't really farming any more, by the time Dylan visited as a child, in the 1920s. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:25, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

A good guess! They're online. I could replace the newspaper refs with a ref to an online essay that mentions the sales. Crystalshrub (talk) 17:17, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

PS Or I could simply give the online ref to the newspaper article: https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3763705/3763710/35/Pentowin.Crystalshrub (talk) 17:38, 26 November 2021 (UTC)


 * That link shows an advert for the sale, on 22 September 1908, of Pentowin Farm. The Joneses sold that before moving to Fern Hill? But that really is too much detail. We just need a source that says that Jim Jones did no farming at Fern Hill. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:46, 26 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that footnote about Jim Jones. Looks just right to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:29, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Peppa Pig World
Peppa Pig World? Seriously, Prime Minister, this is your pivot when you're losing your shit? Softlavender (talk) 04:49, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Beats the Plopper Fun Park, I guess(?) What about Gammon Towers?? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:04, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Closure of Amedeo Modigliani RfC
Hi, discussion at this RfC seems to be over. I was wondering if you could maybe close the RfC, or suggest who should close it alternatively? I am just not sure how to proceed. Thank you. Sansgloire (talk) 21:00, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reminding me. It's generally best if someone not involved in the discussion closes an RfC. And besides, I don't really like closing stuff, I much prefer opening! But I agree, after 20 days, discussion seems to have ended. I'd suggest waiting a couple of days and hoping that a passing non-involved editor will close. The result seems to point mostly one way, but it's not landslide. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:15, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Alright, let's wait a few more days. Should I make a closure request at Closure requests in case nobody shows up? Thanks. :) Sansgloire (talk) 22:34, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. A very good idea. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 25 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Sansgloire, since there is significant dissent, the RFC should run at least 30 days, as is the norm. If it is closed sooner than that, that will merely create further problems. As it is, I removed the ethnicity from the lead sentence for now, as an outlier construction. Softlavender (talk) 00:30, 27 November 2021 (UTC)


 * A good idea. As far as I can see, there are two valid !votes for "in first sentence" and a possible compromise of "somewhere in lead section," so I think you've probably solved the immediate issue. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:56, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Sic transit gloria mundi
Katie Price's books are at 20 pence in the charity shop.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 16:15, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * On a Price-per-kilo basis, that seems quite good value. Probably beats wooden briquettes! 16:34, 29 November 2021 (UTC)


 * DYK that there are at least thirty different books by ghost writers Katie Price?-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 16:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Well we list 42. And Rebecca Farnworth has only owned up to the first 14. £8.40 seems a bargain for a whole night's chestnut roasting.... Martinevans123 (talk)

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
This follows on this reversion by you. I don't disagree with the reversion, but just thought I would mention this from a source which WP:RSP rates as no consensus on reliability. There's lots of other stuff out there on this -- nothing I saw from a solid RS, but it clear that there's been chatter about this. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 15:11, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah yeah, right. Who knows. Maybe it's on the Moon. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Notice of neutral point of view noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Opening paragraph of Gary Glitter article.The discussion is about the topic Gary Glitter. Thank you.
 * Don't forget to sign your posts with four tildes ~ . Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:48, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

thegenealogist.co.uk
Please see the warning left on User talk:Wgc120. That user has an obvious WP:COI with this commercial company, and has been spamming it for years. If the material is relevant to the article, the references can be replaced with direct references to the "Who Do You Think You Are?" epsisode, as I've done on a number of the affected articles. OhNo itsJamie Talk 14:44, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not User:Wgc120. I don't have any COI, thanks. The references to thegenealogist.co.uk generally have far more information than the TV programme itself. Some of your edits just remove all mention of the WDYTYA programme wholesale? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:51, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't believe that an appearance on WDYTYA? automatically merits a paragraph on every subject that appears; celebrities appear on hundreds of shows, we don't need to note every appearance. In cases where others have reworked the material into biolographical prose, I've replaced the reference with the BBC link, which is sufficient for WP:V. OhNo itsJamie Talk 15:31, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * And I'm not suggesting blanket automatic addition to every bio article. I guess that's just appropriate for the Who Do You Think You Are? (British TV series) article. I think it rather depends on whether new biographical information (usually in terms of ancestry) about that person, is presented in the programme. It may have been already reported elsewhere, but overlooked. I am still a bit concerned that User:Wgc120, through their COI spamming, has effectively spoiled thegenealogist.co.uk as a supplementary source for any of those articles. Press review articles, about a programme episode, are often forthcoming and at least allow a written alternative to BBC iPlayer. But these can be of variable quality. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:55, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks!!
Thanks for inserting the URL for the reference I added to The Beatles: Get Back. I was going to do this myself but you beat me to it!! Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 20:40, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries, Edwin. Seems Uncle Phil wasn't too impressed. Am still very tempted, though. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:03, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm tempted to rejoin Disney+ for another half-day (my first half-day was to watch Hamilton and [against my better judgment because I avoid all comic-book movies] Black Panther) to watch Cruella. Saw a 30-second clip of Emma Thompson and Emma Stone, and it was hilarious (not sure how the rest of the film stacks up). Softlavender (talk) 04:59, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I guess great minds think alike! I too briefly joined Disney+ just to watch Hamilton and Black Panther. (And I just got Hulu so I can watch Nomadland.) --Tryptofish (talk) 18:28, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm Waiting For The Man (song)
Apologies, I cut and pasted the wrong date (and contributor) entry reference to indicate when the original change was made. Fixing it now. All the best, Samhu (talk) 04:20, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries. Easily done. Thanks for your note. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:07, 3 December 2021 (UTC) p.s. the alternative is hardly surprising, given that's the actual lyric. There are quite a few YouTube examples. And here it is in a book. But, strictly speaking, it's just a mistake.

Paris
Today: sharing symphonic music - happy listening! - I asked the arb cands if they'd listen, which is an art. - Listen to what de:Jerome Kohl wrote about Zeitmaße, premiered by Pierre Boulez. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:34, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oooh! Arb Candies, my favourite! Thanks for the links. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * mmmh baklava - translating Zeitmaße into German wasn't easy, and isn't complete - I didn't expect soup in the sun outside on a 2 December. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, the tricky Rotary Wind Quintet. It's amazing what you can get out of five rotary clothes lines! --Martinevans123 (talk) 16:56, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * vacation greetings from Munich, rich in culture, culinary events and meeting dear people. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Have a great time, Gerda! Birthplace of Werner Herzog, Carl Orff AND Franz Beckenbauer! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:11, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I do! - today, an Italian opera, my second ever, as the TFA written by two dear people, and a park where I went with dear people, as pictured DYK - I thought of Orff, because the Italian opera about a clever man was matched by his German opera about a clever woman, Die Kluge, sung by Teresa Żylis-Gara --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * thank you - back home - on Beethoven's birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * today memories of singing Monteverdi, Handel, Rossini - a triple nod to Brian, an unsurpassed model of constant kindness and helpfulness coupled with competence! - sing-along Bach tonight --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

first little gift is up on my talk, something to listen --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:44, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

updated even richer --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:21, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

... and now the last, Herrscher des Himmels, erhöre das Lallen, BWV 248 III, shown on the Main page, and here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

If you've seen the AN/I thread
After today's foofaraw I wish we could add a speech bubble to the Krimpet/peek gif saying "Anyone want to buy a used computer" :-P Have a nice weekend. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:51, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi MarnetteD and all,


 * I am writing to let you know that I am doing an auction with Krustie’s auction house, commencing today and closing on December 15th.


 * I'm auctioning two things - the original Strawberry Milkshake that I slurped during the founding time period of my Wikipedia User Page, and an NFT artwork that I created to commemorate my earliest moment of Wikikarma.


 * Martinevans123 (talk) 22:09, 3 December 2021 (UTC) p.s. all proceeds to a suitable charity of my choice i.e. the Cwmfelinfach Home for Bewildered Gentlefolk


 * Great stuff M. Your post is like an advent calendar (just the right month for it) but we get to open the windows to fun items all at once :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 22:45, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm stocking up on cryptocurrencies and NFTs. I'm going to be a zillionaire before long. Softlavender (talk) 00:10, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm also living 100% in the metaverse, because I trust Mark Zuckerberg implicitly. I've never been happier in my life. Softlavender (talk) 01:33, 4 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Don't forget folks, if you can't afford my quality items, you could always go and bid for this load of old tat. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:15, 4 December 2021 (UTC)


 * And since I know how much Martin enjoys music, I can wholeheartedly recommend the bargain counter tenor (not to mention the off-coloratura). --Tryptofish (talk) 18:51, 4 December 2021 (UTC)


 * "Out here on Jimbo's eBay there are no stars. Out here we is "stoned Immaculate." --Rainy Day Auction Lot 123 (talk) 21:06, 4 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Just remember guys, The Head Guy ain't makin' a dime from this. Christie's said so. (Didn't it?) And The Head Guy is definitely not lying to us about the first edit. Softlavender (talk) 22:43, 4 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey, what are you suggesting??!! You could make at least 10 first edits in 2 minutes! A nice little earner! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:46, 5 December 2021 (UTC)


 * In any case.... the smart money is currently chasing the tiny O variant of E-krona (you also get discount entry to the ABBA Avatar Show!!) Martinevans123 (talk) 12:35, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Mama Mia! That's quite tempting. By the way, apropos des bottes, this article is kinda interesting: Laconic phrase. -- Softlavender (talk) 01:24, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Big deal. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:01, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Hope you can all make it on 18th December, round at "No. 10" again, for the annual Jimbo Doyle Wikipedia Awards Ceremony! £25,000 worth of cheese and nibbles!! Note: Not a party. Hidden Camera 123 (talk) 20:14, 9 December 2021 (UTC) (p.s. post-event cleaning and laundry service available)
 * PSA: I'll be on parental leave, and partying every day and night, for the foreseeable future. You poor sods can fend for yourselves. Softlavender (talk) 01:17, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. You are a true inspiration with such leadership. That takes real guts. And Seasons Greetings to your 7, or possibly 8 or more, little Yuletide urchins. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:30, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you're keeping count, because I'm certainly not. Feliz Navidad! --Softlavender (talk) 03:51, 11 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Speaking of Xmas, I've well and truly stolen it, haven't I? What are all the Whos down in Whoville going to do? (Who am I kidding? I couldn't care less! Let them die, and decrease the surplus population.) Softlavender (talk) 04:34, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Gary Glitter
I mentioned you in Talk:Gary Glitter, but the ping mechanism doesn't seem to have worked; please see my message justifying my change, and a request for comment. -- The Anome (talk) 10:09, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I've already replied, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:10, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * You load 16 tons, what do you get?
 * Another day older and deeper in debt
 * St. Jimbo, don't you call me 'cause I can't go
 * I owe my soul to the company store
 * --Tenby Evansie Ford (talk) 21:49, 9 December 2021 (UTC) ....and many thanks Quantum!

Pink Tones
Thought you might like this. Not many Floyd tribute bands throw in "Atom Heart Mother" with brass and choir.... <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for the link, Threesie. I'll try and put a couple of hours, in a darkened room, aside for that one. But it's another challenge! I see we have a article for Segóbriga, but not yet one for Pink Tones (only something deeper in Spanish). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:51, 16 December 2021 (UTC) p.s. watching that film, in my teens, was "a formative experience" to say the least.
 * meanwhile... here's a nice tribute 32 years later....

Strictly tribute
We wuz robbed, innit. Me Judi and Grazi: Twerkin' Tribute. "Me wah fi see you get live 'pon di riddim when me ryde", if you know what I mean. --Get Busy Toastie "Two Shoes" 123 (talk) 23:06, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Songs of the season

 * Wow, thanks MarnetteD. What a brilliant collection. Very enjoyable. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:35, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you enjoyed them M. I made a CD with those and several others to give to friends 11 or 12 years ago. Does anyone even burn a CD anymore? Gosh the tech changes so fast :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 09:44, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If I manage to get a fresh quill and some new vellum, I'll copy you out a few bangin' manuscripts... Martinevans123 (talk) 09:54, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That is wonderful M! I'll be smiling all day. Cheers MarnetteD&#124;Talk 10:06, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * p.s. I have that one. And this gem was one of the best of 1979! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:47, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You are so right about that 1979 album. 3 Kings is great to sing along with while driving to see Xmas lights. Did you know that someone downloaded to the tube of you? Something to enjoy later this week :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Even after 43 years, "Hammond Song" is less of a song and more of a higher spiritual experience. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:36, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You just took me on a memory trip to the apartment I rented in college where I played (and played and played) that album. Thank you so much! MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:41, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Haha. I used to listen to it (over and over) on one of these! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:48, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Alexei Sayle
Hi Martin, I try to keep this page up to date. A few days ago another editor pointed out that the music section had no cited sources. If you know of a recognised one that lists all his releases (not just "Fish People") or at least all his singles, would you please add it for me. Thanks in advance. Scrabble1968 (talk) 15:16, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll probably add it for me, haha, but sure. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:18, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Fish people! Yay! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you think this would make it as at WP:RS at St Hilda of Grantham: ? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:46, 21 December 2021 (UTC) Or maybe this one at the Dire MTV?

Rate Your Music lists all Sayle's singles and albums - is this WP? I don't want to add it if it isn't, but if it is, perhaps you would. https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/alexei-sayle Happy Xmas. Scrabble1968 (talk) 15:11, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately not. WP:RSP says: "Rate Your Music was deprecated in the 2019 RfC. The content on Rate Your Music is user-generated, and is considered generally unreliable.". Martinevans123 (talk) 15:16, 24 December 2021 (UTC) Thanks anyway. Merry Christmas to you also!

Another year

 * Haha, thank you Kieron. "Off on your Christmas COVID Hols?? Be sure to fly Yorkshire Airlines!" Martinevans123 (talk) 17:10, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas 2021
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 * <font color="#006633">  Merry Christmas & Happy New Year
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 * Frohe Weinachten und
 * alles gute zur neuen Jahr!


 * Wesołych Świąt i
 * Szczęśliwego nowego roku!


 * Linksmų Kalėdų ir 
 * laimingų Naujųjų Metų!


 * – Sca (talk) 20:36, 22 December 2021 (UTC)


 * PS: Thanks, and have a Merry ... – Sca (talk) 14:16, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Ah! Some enchanting Norah. Always a treat. Just like her Dad. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:00, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Not much family resemblance, but both are/were great in their separate ways. – Sca (talk) 23:15, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

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Speaking of family ...
... I have a granddaughter named Josephine. – Sca (talk) 23:29, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Now you're talking! Superb. Just added him. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:35, 23 December 2021 (UTC) p.s. awwww! what a sweet picture. :)
 * How bout thisn? – Sca (talk) 14:45, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Puts the G in genius. Slightly better sound here Martinevans123 (talk) 14:51, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Christmas Bop Till You Drop. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:59, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

A stick for you


This is all Santa could come up with on short notice.

It's been a rough year.

Santa's elf (talk) 13:09, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * How simply charming.. I can tell you're a real stickler for present giving. I shall treasure it. Almost as much fun as Even more fun than Germany's version of the Elf on the Shelf! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:17, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Those endless years slogging away in college German classes have now paid off. Anyway, Santa said this stick was a lonely gift that hadn't been gifted to a single page in the entire global Wikisphere. He didn't have the heart to send it to the Island of Misfit Toys. -- Softlavender (talk) 13:48, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * How about all of us marooned on the Island of Misfit Wikipedians? --Dr M. 123 (talk) 14:05, 24 December 2021 (UTC) p.s. great clip!

Merry Christmas

 * Cheers, Threesie. Happy to make do with a few lebkuchen and a glass of Chablis. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:14, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Holidays

 * Many thanks, Ceoil. And to you and yours. Best wishes. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:55, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Am going through a Jaco Pastorius period atm mind is- really, suitably - bent, but meanwhile on earth and rock and roll land: here is some Holger Czukay. Ceoil (talk) 08:34, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Ceoil. Classic track, classic album. Pastorius was brilliant with Joni. And hard to believe that was 1969. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:24, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Jeez. Your breath of knowledge never seaces to amaze, noting you were editing Shadows and Light just this April. Ceoil (talk) 05:49, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Haha. There's not much music I don't like! Pastorius' premature death, at the age of 35, was a wholly avoidable tragedy. What a senseless loss. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:01, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * p.s. as you know.... "Wiki Hunters and Collectors all come out at night." Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * A bit out of synch (after 11,459,377 views) .... but who cares! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:33, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Janice Long

 * Many thanks, PFHLai. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:25, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

 * Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Happy New Year elves}} to send this message


 * Very encouraging to see that elfin compliance with social distancing is holding up, but mask wearing leaves a lot to be desired. Many thanks anyway!! "Blwyddyn newydd dda" to you too! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:25, 31 December 2021 (UTC) p.s. alas, Santa forgot my Goblin Teasmade again this year.

Happy New Year, Martinevans123!
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Happy New Year! Martinevans123, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

Abishe (talk) 13:57, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

Many thanks, Abishe. Here's some ancient stuff from 2012 to go with it. Not Old Hogwash, but just as good. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:07, 31 December 2021 (UTC)