User talk:Martinguggenberger

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Your submission at Articles for creation
 Thank you for your recent submission to Articles for Creation. Your article submission has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. Please view your submission to see the comments left by the reviewer. You are welcome to edit the submission to address the issues raised, and resubmit once you feel they have been resolved.


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 * Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Martinguggenberger (talk) 12:55, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

hi, I might need some more assistance to get this right, I looked at several other wikipedia entries that obviously got approved and feel that this article has a comparingly sound basis of external sources. I take the goals of the different programs from the organisations site, who could describe those better? Your comment say, not only CCNBs sources shall be used, that’s not the case, most are external sources, only some are from the organisation itself. I deleted the achievement section as it was poorly referenced. Can you go a bit moiré into detail, where you feel it is an advertising text? I am aware, that you volunteer in this function, and what I ask for takes some of your time, but please respond to this message. Martin


 * OK, Here's what I noticed when I reviewed. CCNB might very well be notable enough for a Wikipedia article, but not for their thoughts, beliefs, or desires. In fact, it might be best to leave mission statements out entirely (see WP:MISSION.) My main question is "What did they accomplish? How have their activities shaped public debate?" The "Programs" section looked promising to this end, but disappointed with statements like, ... works to bring about ... goal is to ... works to defend ... priority is to ensure ... aims for ... is working to ensure ... seeks to reconnect ... endeavours to facilitate ... , all sourced to CCNB (no outsider can speak fairly about their goals and priorities). Compare with statements in a corresponding part of Greenpeace, " ... Greenpeace played a significant role in raising public awareness of global warming ... developed a CFC-free refrigerator technology, "Greenfreeze" ... one third of the world's total production of refrigerators were based on Greenfreeze technology ...", each attributed to an independent source. Greenpeace isn't an ideal article either (it's rated C-class), but independently sourced statements such as those will keep it from getting deleted before it can be improved. So, my decline is meant as an honest, "Can this be fixed?" and I'm willing to re-evaluate if the answer is "Yes." Kilopi (talk) 16:36, 17 May 2012 (UTC)