User talk:Martinvl/2009

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DLS/coordinate lists for motorways
Hi. In the future, when including coordinate lists, can you use as many parameters of coord as possible, especially the " " parameter? Otherwise, we get something like this. Thanks, Sceptre (talk) 14:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Sceptre (talk) 18:41, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

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UK motorway distances
Hi there. We appreciate the effort you are making on the UK motorway articles, good job. One request though. When you enter the distances, can you do so in miles rather than kilometres. The distance measurement on the UK roads is in miles so it should use the same units. Canterbury Tail  talk  12:44, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Greetings Martin. I had the same problem with distances that towns were from other towns and cities in the UK. suggest you use the following code in your edits which will show the distance initially in miles and automatically convert it to Km's as well. Thus a distance of 3 miles gives.... 3 mi -- [User has been removed from Wikipedia for having an offensive name] 20:00, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW The second user has been asked by Wikipedia to change his logon name, so my responses to his page are no longer available. Martinvl (talk) 11:08, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * My response to both correspondents has been to point out that I am cataloguing the values that appear on Driver location signs. The Highways Agency has published the values for the M25.  Otherwise I have obtained the numbers from draft of similar documents.  By definition, such cataloguing of numbers is verifiable as one need only look at the location marker posts that appear in situ.  I also pointed out that introducing miles onto the junction lists would add to the clutter and make them less user friendly.  Martinvl (talk) 13:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello Martinv1, i thought it would be informative for wiki users that an suppl. indication of yd is made on the page Metrication in the UK as follows ... the road maintenance teams and emergency services are at 100 m / 110 yd intervals ... as for now there is only the official 100 m indication. I personaly think that it should not matter on wikipedia if law requires yd or mt as the official lenght should be stated first and then the second unit too, so that no one can complain on missing or wrong stuff. 178.193.101.176 (talk) 15:34, 7 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi,
 * Thank you for your comment. That information was previously in the article, but the article grew too large, so I moved a good deal of the material into a new article Metrication of British Transport.  You can find the information that you suggested in the new article. For your information, Wikipeida recommends that artciles that exceed 100 kbytes in length should be split into two.  Metrication in the United Kingdom is about 98 kbytes and Metrication of British Transport is about 75 kbytes. There are also many references to the article Driver location sign. Martinvl (talk) 15:51, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Good morning Martinv1, you said it was previously in the article, but i saw it in the article with the 100 m info (missing the 110 yd info) yesterday. It would be nice if you could add it in brackets. Nicely made, the other page you indicated! Thanks --178.193.101.176 (talk) 07:36, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of TOTSO
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 * The article was unanimously deleted at AFD only 3 months ago, like others have said. There hasn't been any improvement (no addition of reliable sources, etc.) so the TOTSO page ought to have been deleted. I userfied it, however, and it's located at User:Martinvl/TOTSO for your reference. If you wish to overturn an AFD deletion decision, the best place to take it is Deletion review (not simply recreating the page). Do note that people will probably not be willing to overturn the decision or relist at AFD unless you prove that it can be an encyclopedic and notable topic. Jamie  S93  18:00, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There are a few comments on User:Martinvl/TOTSO for you as well, and I just want to make sure you see them. -- Soap Talk/Contributions 22:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The original article has been moved to User:Martinvl/TOTSO. There is no additional content in the history.  In particular the article was never placed in any categories.  Eluchil404 (talk) 01:42, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Re citation needed
This has been transferred to the Martinvl talk page from Dieter Simon's talk page

Dieter=, a few days ago you added a "facts" flag to the article Expressways. This was subsequently changed to a "Citation Needed" flag. I used Google Earth and within five muinutes I was able to verify the statement concerned. Do facts of this nature really need a citation? If so, where does one find these facts? Please be a little more careful when asking for citations. I have removed this flag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinvl (talk • contribs) 20:53, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Martinvl, I don't know about being careful asking for citations. Are you saying that all those editors adding references (in the "Reference" section) whenever they add any text are wasting their time, then? When in fact we are being exhorted to do exactly that? See Verifiability. The sheer fact that it hasn't been done more often, and that at a flick we can obtain those facts from Google, is neither here nor there. An encyclopaedia creating text, should always cite its sources, not ask readers to go somewhere else to verify facts in order to believe what has been written. No, we should always source our statements, it is not a big deal, espececially if we know where to find these fact. Dieter Simon (talk) 23:55, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * When I have some time, I will revisit this entry and add a reference consisting of "This can be viewed using for example Google Earth. The coordinates are: East end - xxxx; West end - xxxx; Viewed dd-mmm-yyyy". Would this be appropriate, or do you think that teh citation should have some other format? Martinvl (talk) 06:28, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I don't know, you can try and enter it the way you think. Though I have done editing for a number of years I have never come across it. Perhaps you can put a section into the Talk:Expressway page to see what others say for present and future purposes. Let me have a look and see if there is an external source I can find. Dieter Simon (talk) 18:15, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Copied to Martin's talk page. Dieter Simon (talk) 18:15, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, Martin, there is an article on the E.C. Row Expressway and an external source cited in it: . Shall I leave it to you? If you enter "E. C. Row Expressway" (with quotes) in Google or Yahoo! you'll find quite a few websites. Dieter Simon (talk) 18:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Martinvl, great job, your source works brilliantly. Dieter Simon (talk) 23:03, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Communication
Hi, Martin. When you commented on Wikipedia talk:Translation today here, you included namecalling and bad faith assumptions: ("Was this an act of vandalism?", "monolingual script kiddy"). Things like these can make the community less pleasant and discouraging to any user that comes across them.

Your use of the term "monolingual script kiddy" in your reply to Wavelength, to say a probability the reason their addition was changed is the user was one of those, was a violation of our policy against making personal attacks on other editors.

Also, your suggestion to Wavelength that the first thing they should do is check the userpage of the editor who removed or changed their addition (in this case, me), then undo that change, as a monolingual script kiddy vandalising'll probably never notice and change it back, broke our rules on assuming good faith of people who work on the project. In the absence of concrete evidence to the contrary, it's important to avoid jumping to accusations or assumptions of thoughtlessness, or searching for a reason to brush off any concerns raised. Instead, focus on the merits of the content, which stands on its own. These policies/guidelines, also known as WP:NPA and WP:AGF, are important core principles of the Wikipedia community.

I hope that the explanation above was clear to you. If not, I'd be happy to explain further, here. I'll watchlist your talkpage for a couple've days in case. Thanks, and happy editing. –Whitehorse1 01:49, 11 December 2009 (UTC) P.S. I notice you've replied there since. I'll continue any content-related discussion there.

←Okay, now replied to any content-oriented parts there. The same points above relate to your second&mdash;made before I posted here on your talkpage&mdash;reply. In general: be collegial, personal remarks even those the target doesn't see are undesirable; and, in the absence of clear evidence of ill intent, assume good faith. Be well. –Whitehorse1 02:11, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Relief of Ladysmith
Looking over the article again, I think you have a strong case for getting it renamed. Go ahead and propose it at WP:REQMOVE. Once complete, it may be worth turning the Relief of Ladysmith page into a list linking to all of the battles. Good luck! Ron2K (talk) 06:17, 29 December 2009 (UTC)