User talk:Mary Cummins

Please do not bring your dispute with user:Batworld onto Wikipedia. Thank you. DS (talk) 23:32, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

She posted those untrue items about me June 2012. I just saw it yesterday and corrected it. Since you will not be allowing her to repost anything about legal issues on the Bat World Sanctuary page, we should be fine. Thank you for your help with this matter. Mary Cummins (talk) 23:44, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

User page
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your user page may not meet Wikipedia's user page guideline. If you believe that your userpage does not violate our guidelines, please leave a note on this page. As an alternative, you may add  to the top of the page in question and an administrator will delete it, or you can simply edit the page so that it meets Wikipedia's userpage guidelines. Thank you. --Drm310 (talk) 16:24, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I visited the user page guidelines. It says "User pages mainly are for interpersonal discussion, notices, testing and drafts (see: Sandboxes), and, if desired, limited autobiographical and personal content." I have posted "limited autobiographical and personal content." I will add info about my wiki activities. Thank you.Mary Cummins (talk) 16:52, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * My main concern is that it is structured in a way that makes it look like a mainspace article (see WP:FAKEARTICLE), and/or looks like a draft for an article about yourself. User pages typically don't have the same layout as pages in the article space (e.g. References, External links, etc.) or use citations.
 * I'd add this to the top of the page to clear up any confusion:
 * Using instead of  might also make it clear that it's a user page and not an autobiographical article. Hope that helps. --Drm310 (talk) 17:10, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I made all of the changes you suggested. Thank you. Mary Cummins (talk) 17:36, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I clicked "submit" as I was instructed. It said I just submitted my user page as an article. That's not what I wanted to do. How do I undo this? Thanks. Mary Cummins (talk) 17:51, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh drat... I should have removed that template. That was my fault, sorry.  I don't see yours listed on the Articles for Creation page, so I wouldn't worry about it for now. --Drm310 (talk) 18:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I deleted the template. I don't want to write an article about myself. Thanks! Mary Cummins (talk) 20:25, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Administrative Noticeboard
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Blocking a user. Thank you. Glrx (talk) 20:59, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Blocked
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for making legal threats or taking legal action. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. You are not allowed to edit Wikipedia while the threats stand or the legal action is unresolved.

I have blocked you indefinitely (NOT permanently) until you can assure us that you will not edit Bat World Sanctuary while you are involved in ongoing legal action. You can appeal this block by following the instructions above. It will suffice if you assure us that you will not edit the article further for the time being. Kim Dent-Brown  (Talk)  22:38, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I will not edit Bat World Sanctuary page is you also instruct Amanda Lollar, user Batworld and her IP sock puppet not to edit it. She is involved in the same litigation. She defamed me on her page. Someone also posted the false items again. They are not the largest bat sanctuary in the world. That is Monfort Bat Sanctuary with 1.8 - 2.5 million bats. They hold the Guinness World Record. Even the Memphis zoo has a larger bat sanctuary with over 400 bats. Thank you. Mary Cummins (talk) 22:42, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Just butting in here, but you should state that you will unequoviocally not edit the article regardless of what other editors promise to do or your block will not be lifted. Rest assured that this article now has sufficient eyes upon it.  Any issues you have with the article may be addressed in the talk page of the article,or you may ask OTRS via email.   little green rosetta $central scrutinizer (talk)$ 22:49, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I will not edit the article regardless of what other editors promise to do. I can still post on the talk page for the article? Will do. I'm sorry but this person has been running a sham for over 18 years. She hasn't gone past the ninth grade, is not a veterinarian yet performs surgery on bats who die. I witnessed this, took photos and videos which is why I reported her to authorities. She is not a scholar or scientist as she posts. Almost every positive thing written about her she wrote herself. Amanda Lollar and Bat World Sanctuary are NOT respected by the true bat experts which would be Bat Conservation International. Thanks. Mary Cummins (talk) 22:54, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I would personally not be happy with you editing any page on Wikipedia (including project pages or talk pages) to discuss Bat World, Amanda Lollar, your lawsuit or any connected topic. You must stop furthering your claims about her here as part of your unblock requests. If other admins see this more leniently so be it. Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  22:57, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I will not edit any page about Amanda Lollar, Bat World Sanctuary or mention them in any other page on wiki. Hopefully the admins will make her do the same. This woman has posted about me all over the Internet. She made over 40 websites, blogs, Twitter ... devoted just to me. I only comment about her in my own website. Thanks. Mary Cummins (talk) 23:04, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * If you are unblocked, please tread carefully about commenting on Lollar and other people anywhere on wikipedia, including talk pages. See WP:BLP.  In any case it is probably best that you avoid this article as much as possible. I will personally watch this page for the removal of sourced and addition of unsourced material if that makes you feel any better.  If you have any immediate issues concerning this article, you can always contact OTRS via email and they might be able to address your concerns.   little green rosetta $central scrutinizer (talk)$ 00:06, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Throwing my tuppence in - as Kim has mentioned, many more editors are now looking at this conflict since it has been posted on WP:ANI. My advice is simple - do not do anything involving Bat World Sanctuary, even tangentially, anywhere on Wikipedia, including talking about it your own talk page. If you can agree to that, your unblock request will have more success. -- Ritchie333 (talk)  (cont)   12:39, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

I am not allowed to post on Bat World Sanctuary's wiki page or talk page. Can I post on the deletion page here?  or my talk page here? I would be for deletion. Mary Cummins (talk) 19:38, 27 November 2012 (UTC)


 * No. Above you stated "I further agree not to post about Amanda Lollar or Bat World Sanctuary on wiki." The posts at AfD would be about BWS. Glrx (talk) 20:22, 27 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I concur with Glrx's view above. There will be plenty of people commenting there. No need to get a further block by joining them. Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  20:31, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Someone just added the lawsuit information back to the BWS page. I thought you were not going to allow any mention of any lawsuits between me and Bat World? Mary Cummins (talk) 23:40, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Mary. I'm sure someone will be along to clarify this in a moment. In the meantime, please could you specify where that was said?


 * Until that's cleared up, please adhere to what you agreed to above. Thank you. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:15, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * (Incidentally, I've just trimmed the recent additions to the BWS page, since I see no purpose in naming the person apparently involved.) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:21, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

I was told that NO ONE could mention anything about ANY lawsuits on Wikipedia. If one is allowed to mention a lawsuit, someone else should be allowed to mention the countersuits and appeal. Mary Cummins (talk) 00:41, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Mary, it's the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Things get added without editorial oversight.  When they do come up, they should be removed.  However, that's not for you to do.  Please tell someone, and do not return to editing that article.--v/r - TP 00:59, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No, editors are allowed to cover pending lawsuits if there are appropriate independent and reliable sources. One interpretation of WP:NLT is that the litigants in a currently active lawsuit are not to edit WP. ("If you must take legal action, we cannot prevent you from doing so. However, it is required that you do not edit Wikipedia until the legal matter has been resolved to ensure that all legal processes happen via proper legal channels.") WP does not want to become a second arena for the litigants, and litigants have a significant WP:COI. The NLT restriction would apply to you, and you have agreed to stay away from BWS topics. Glrx (talk) 07:25, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

I did not edit the page. The lawsuit information is still there. I was told the editors would not allow information about the lawsuit to stay. It is current litigation as it is in appeal. The Appeal's court already reversed the Judge's last ruling. If you will allow the info about the litigation to stay, please include both sides of the story. As it stands it is VERY one sided to the point that it is defamation against me. If you will quote an article about the litigation, quote the one from the biggest news service which includes both sides of the story and includes quotes by me such as "Cummins, who acted as her own attorney during much of the case, said the judgment is a "travesty of justice." Cummins said her "reports are 100 percent the truth. I believe [the suit] was malicious and frivolous." She said her complaints to authorities against Lollar were not all cleared. She said that Lollar "admitted she had no proof of financial damages" and that she did not know who posted the items on the Internet. "If there were any damages, they were all self-inflicted," she said." You should also include other media articles about the organization such as the Mineral Wells Index September 12, 1999 article, "Child found with rabid bat, undergoing round of rabies shots," A child was bitten by a baby rabid bat directly next door to the sanctuary. You are only including the positive fluff articles which are misleading and inaccurate. Mary Cummins (talk) 15:32, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Mary, you have just come within an inch of another indefinite block. Your edit above not only adds more material to WP in a subject where you have a conflict of interest and are actively engaged in litigation, but you also accuse the article as it stood as 'defamation'. It is not the case that the litigation may not be mentioned. The litigation may not be mentioned BY YOU because you are a litigant. The same applies to the other party in the case. So, let me be clear:
 * Do not accuse WP of defaming you
 * Do not post detailed commentary such as you did above on the article and/or the case
 * Understand that other people CAN make edits which you, as a litigant, may not
 * Prepare to be blocked indefinitely if you make another post like the one above
 * If you are in any doubt about material on the BWS page, place a note on this talk page asking another editor to review the article. That's all. Believe me, there are LOTS of eyes on your page and the BWS page right now. Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  15:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

As instructed above I am requesting that another editor look at the BWS page to make sure it is an unbiased and fair representation of the organization. I don't believe it is. It only mentions positive articles and information which is not current. I am under the impression that only Amanda Lollar and I are not allowed to personally edit the page ourselves. I have a feeling that her friends are editing the page for her. I take it that is acceptable? Mary Cummins (talk) 15:59, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Other editors have already looked at the page and it is under constant review. You are not in a position to judge whether or not the article is fair and unbiased. Anyone apart from you and the other litigant may edit the article as long as they stay within the main principles of Wikipedia, which would preclude proxy editors if they stray from these principles. Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  16:43, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Blocked again
This, as you should have known, goes exactly against the very clear warning I gave you a few hours ago. You are using Wikipedia talk pages to continue your real-world legal battle with BWS. I've blocked you indefinitely, you must try and persuade an unblocking admin (not me) that you will not do this again if you want an unblock. I'll take this decision to WP:AN/I for a review so that other admins can take a view. Kim Dent-Brown  (Talk)  22:21, 2 December 2012 (UTC)  You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for making legal threats or taking legal action. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. You are not allowed to edit Wikipedia while the threats stand or the legal action is unresolved.
 * I have started a new section at the incidents noticeboard to ask for a review of this block. You cannot post there but if you want to contribute, please post here and I or another editor will paste your comments across. Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  22:38, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * You violated the terms of your previous unblock by discussing this matter on Wikipedia. Did you not understand the terms under which your block was removed?   little green rosetta $central scrutinizer (talk)$ 23:37, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I made a comment which disappeared. Anyway I went to the article where you are discussing my block. Snarky personal comments about me should not be allowed. If wiki is going to post about one side of a legal issue, they should include both sides or else not post about it at all. What was posted was defamatory against me. Mary Cummins (talk) 23:44, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Let me be blunt. While the legal proceedings are in place, you will be blocked if you make any posts remotely related to BWS. Unless you convince an admin that you will agree to not post about this subjet, you will remain blocked. If you continue to post on this page about this subject, your access will be removed. Now I'm not unsympathetic to your dilemma with this article. Should you have issues, please email them to me with the "email this user" link and I will try to assist you within Wikipedia policies. little green rosetta $central scrutinizer (talk)$ 23:50, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Where is the "email this user" link? What page? I was told I am supposed to talk about these issues on my talk page. How can I talk about the issue without mentioning B** W**** S******** or Law*** which are the issues? What is being posted about me is defamatory. It is not objective, unbiased or the truth. What would be the point of wikipedia if it only consists of highly biased unverified material? Are you saying that I just have to get someone else to post objective items on the BWS page then you'd be fine with that? Mary Cummins (talk) 00:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I found the link. Never mind. Mary Cummins (talk) 00:20, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It doesn't seem like you're getting the message; let me see if I can phrase it more clearly. You have agreed to post nowhere on Wikipedia, whether on an article, a talk page, a user page, anywhere, about this issue and these people.  It doesn't matter if you think you've been defamed or people are saying things about you you don't like.  It doesn't matter if you think someone else is violating policy.  It doesn't matter if someone else does so first.  It doesn't matter how much you think someone else's posting is inaccurate, biased, unverified or inflammatory.  It doesn't matter if someone asks for your opinion.  You can post nowhere on Wikipedia on these subjects, and a very quick way to earn a permanent block would be to get someone to be your stalking horse and do so for you. How do you talk about your grievances concerning the issue on Wikipedia?  You don't.  How do you change these articles?  You don't, no matter how much they really need to be changed. Your only recourse is to e-mail LGR as was offered above, or to convince an admin that when you claim you'll abide by these restrictions, this time you're genuinely being sincere.  If you don't think you can stay silent in these particular areas no matter how much you believe you've been provoked or how important you think it is, then the block should continue as long as legal action remains pending.   Ravenswing   02:47, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Comment For the record, Mary has contacted me via email and I'm attempting to assit her as much as possible within policy and guideline. As many people who have been personally involved with a Wikipedia article she seems to be displeased about WP:NOTTRUTH. And who can blame her? Being close to a subject and not being able to comment on what you think to be true must be frustrating. Rest assured that I will not be editing for anyone on BWS as a proxy, and any edit I make will be backed up by a RS and/or discussed on the talk page. little green rosetta $central scrutinizer (talk)$ 03:23, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I could understand frustration...WP:DOLT gives a great breakdown for her :-) ... it seems to match some of her issues right now. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 12:53, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Good essay, but unfortunate name. Not sure if it is intentional or not, but its use can have the effect of pouring gas on a fire.   little green rosetta $central scrutinizer (talk)$ 13:51, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is extremely frustrating to see things which are not the truth posted about me and BWS. The untruthful items about me are negative yet the ones about BWS are positive. I will not post about this any more. littlegreenrosetta has explained to me what wiki is and isn't. I now realize that wiki articles are not the truth. Wiki has nothing to do with the truth, just what the media reports. Mary Cummins (talk) 18:36, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * A slight correction: Wikipedia is not your version of the truth. You have a bias and you are unable to overcome your bias.  What you deem true is from your perspective.  That's why we need third party (uninvolved) sources.  If the battle is fought anywhere, it's in the courts and not here.--v/r - TP 20:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You don't know me. I write 100% honest reports about animal abusers and people who commit stock fraud. I've been sued for defamation before, represented myself pro se and won those previous cases. I always speak the absolute truth as these are reports I send to government agencies. All of my reports are 99.99% just government documents which I post online. I do freedom of information act requests and research. Here's an article about me Cummins wins Ashton Technology lawsuit and another Cummins wins Kathy Knight-McConnell lawsuit. My last case set case precedent on Internet and trademark law and has been cited in many other cases. Mary Cummins (talk) 20:39, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No, Mary, it's not about knowing you. It's about the fact that you see the world from your perspective, that's why it is your perspective.  Wikipedia is not your perspective.  That's why it's not your truth.  That's why you should not edit here and that's why we do not allow folks to edit who are in a legal dispute.  Deal with it in the courts.--20:51, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You forgot to sign your name, whoever you are. I am dealing with it in the Second Court of Appeals in Texas. I am not posting about BWS on wiki. Enough said, buddy. Mary Cummins (talk) 21:11, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm hesitant to wade into this discussion, but let me offer some advice. I have strong opinions on stuff in Wikipedia. Okay, they might not be as strong or as important as yours, but opinions they are nevertheless. I think quite some articles on a specific topic (that's not worth mentioning here), even those that have gone to WP:GA are as dull as dishwater and missing the point of the readership. Nobody else appears to agree with me, and on the few times I've brought it up, all hell's broken loose. Consequently, I edit about other stuff on Wikipedia instead. I haven't been blocked or topic banned, but I'm sure if I kept ramming my point home, I might have been. That's kinda why you were unblocked, because there's plenty of other stuff on here you can write about, and we gave you the chance to do that. I'm concerned if you keep on the way you have, you'll lose talk page access, which makes getting unblocked even harder. -- Ritchie333 (talk)  (cont)   22:00, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no desire to talk about BWS on wiki again. I understand what wiki is really about. I read the wiki page of the supposed founder ;-) I am making my own BWS wiki page in my website. This way I can link to official government documents which can't be done on wiki anyway. Mary Cummins (talk) 22:22, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * This is exactly what you said last time. What makes now any different? Livewireo (talk) 22:33, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Can we please stop this discussion? Mary doesn't want to edit here. She has her own opinion of Wikipedia, to which she's entitled. There's no point in continuing discussing a dead issue. Mary is doing something else on her own website. Everyone else can go do something more constructive on Wikipedia.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:42, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Mary Cummins, could you please expand on your very brief unblock request? Why is the block no longer needed? If you were unblocked, what types of topics or articles would you be interested in editing? Qwyrxian (talk) 22:20, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Admin note I've merged two unblock requests.--v/r - TP 23:21, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Where did my reply go? I said I would not post about bat world but about real estate, wildlife rehabilitation and the like only. Mary Cummins (talk) 23:26, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

User page deletion
Hi, all pages on Wikipedia except those deleted are visible to all users. I can see yours just as you can see mine. There is no such thing as a private user page. Although a certain leeway is given for user pages, they must not be used for advertising. When I've finished this, I'll remove the spam links to your company and your charity. Please don't replace them, persistent spamming will lead to a block. If you want to publicise that information, do so on Facebook or Linked-In, not here.

You cannot delete my page, although you could blank it or add insults, actions that can easily be reversed. Looking at earlier postings, you seem to be a somewhat combative editor, but I suggest that you try to follow the guidelines and avoid abrasive edits, cheers  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  18:24, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I've deleted your sandbox. Don't recreate it with a self-promoting article about you, or you risk being blocked.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:30, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Why are you stalking me here? Why are you following me? Who are you? I need a copy of the page you deleted. Mary Cummins (talk) 18:34, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Bbb23 and I are both Wikipedia admins. It's not that we are stalking you, it's your actions that are attracting our attention. Your sandbox content is unlikely to be restored since it cannot stay there indefinitely, and the content is unsuitable either for a user page or an article. Please consider editing constructively instead of attempting to promote yourself or your company.  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  18:47, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Here's the history. Mary was indefinitely blocked in December 2012. She was unblocked on October 25, 2013, after making certain promises that don't directly relate to the current brouhaha. Today she made an edit to her user page. I've had her on my watchlist for a very long time, so I saw the change. When I looked at the self-promoting article, I almost deleted it myself, but I decided to tag it. After evaluating the tag, deleted it (I'm assuming Jim was not aware of Mary before this).

I deleleted the sandbox on my own because it was effectly the same as her deleted user page. As for your needing a copy of the page, why would you need that? You recreated it in your sandbox without any assistance from us.

Now let's get to the core of the problem. Since you've been unblocked, you have made no edits that evince any interest in improving Wikipedia. Your sandbox is a place to test things, but not, as you call it on my talk page, a "private" area. Just like everything on Wikipedia, user space pages exist for the benefit of the project. Any user space that is being used inappropriately can be deleted and the user can be blocked if they persist. Frankly, I don't find even the current pared-down version on your user page to be acceptable if all you're going to do here is using Wikipedia for your own benefit.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:14, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * How is my user page benefiting me? It mentions a non-profit where I volunteer, i.e volunteer = work for no money. My sister is Juliette Cummins. Her boyfriend made her page and it's a copy of her resume. All she did was (Redacted) some crappy horror movies. That is data which helps the world? She's still working even though her page says she isn't.


 * I haven't edited any articles recently because I was blocked. I was getting ready to start editing again when my page was deleted. I am sorry that I confused Jim with Bbb23. I couldn't see who edited my page because it was deleted. Mary Cummins (talk) 19:35, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Benefit doesn't have to be financial. Your sister's page is in article space and is subject to different rules, so comparing it to your user page is mostly apples and oranges (I have made some changes to the article, though).--Bbb23 (talk) 20:04, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Just to be clear, let me point out a few things about how Wikipedia functions. Wikipedia is not a social networking site. A user page is in principle for information about the user in connection with their work on the encyclopaedia. and not for posting a personal web page unrelated to such work. Use of any Wikipedia page for any kind of promotion is contrary to policy. For some reason a good many editors think, as you evidently do, that the word "promotion" can only mean promotion for monetary gain, but that is not so. Contrary to what you appear to think, there are various ways that editing of your user page may come to the attention of other editors who are not "stalking" you. For example, anyone who regularly takes part in new page patrol is likely to see it, and anyone who has ever posted to your talk page and watchlisted it in case you reply to them may see it. I saw it because I watchlisted this page when I unblocked you, as I always do with editors I have unblocked, to keep an eye on things in case of further problems. If, as you suggest, you mistakenly thought that your user page would not be seen by any other editors, and feel that anyone taking notice of it is intruding, then you were attempting to use Wikipedia as a free web host to hold a personal page for your own use, not for use of the project. That is itself contrary to Wikipedia policy. You have a history of taking a battleground approach towards other editors with whom you disagree, which is closely related to the reason why you have been repeatedly blocked from editing. You have recently continued in the same vein, posting angry diatribes against people who have taken actions you don't like. Any editor who continues in that way is likely to be blocked indefinitely, especially if, as in your case, there is a lack of constructive contributions to the encyclopaedia. As far as your editing history goes, your only purposes in being here appear to be to tell the world about your work, and to tell the world about how bad you think someone else is. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:27, 22 November 2013 (UTC)


 * One more point. I have just done a Google search for "She is President of non-profit Animal Advocates which rescues ill, injured and orphaned native". Your Wikipedia user page was the first page listed, contrary to your apparent belief that user pages don't show up in searches. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:31, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Gary K. Michelson
The entries that I restored at Gary K. Michelson were sourced, you just deleted the sources when you deleted my edits, and wrote on my talk page that they were un-sourced. I'm going to revert you, please don't revert me again without providing a reason, or providing sources that state contrary information to what I found. MisterUnit (talk) 21:58, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Your sources are not sufficient. You can't source Gary's own website. He wrote his website. It must be an independent media article. For this reason I will revert them. Do not replace unless you can link to an independent accredited media article such as the LA Times. Mary Cummins (talk) 22:10, 10 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I did not reference "Gary's own website," I referenced the Found Animals Foundation website, which contains a biography on Dr. Michelson. That is a perfectly good source, and even if this entire webpage was written by Dr. Michelson it would still be an acceptable WP:SELFSOURCE. MisterUnit (talk) 22:31, 10 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Do you have a response to this? If not, I'm going to go ahead and change this material back. MisterUnit (talk) 14:41, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Gary Michelson owns and runs Found Animals Foundation. It's his Foundation. He wrote that. It's a private website. It's not an independent accredited media. You can't use it. I tried using regular websites and blogs before but Wikipedia would not allow me. Why would you want to post something that is not even true anyway? Michelson's patents have caused the price of back surgery to increase dramatically. His wife did not work for the Kremlin.Mary Cummins (talk) 16:58, 11 December 2013 (UTC)


 * You should check the policy on edit warring, if you are not already acquainted with it, as there is a danger you may be blocked from editing if you continue editing Gary K. Michelson in the same way as you have been doing. This is not in any way a criticism of your editing, but a warning to make sure you are aware of the situation. JamesBWatson (talk) 17:27, 11 December 2013 (UTC)


 * It is clear that you have a conflict of interest in editing about Gary Michelson. You were blocked for apparently using Wikipedia to further your cause in relationship to an organisation with which you had issues off Wikipedia, and you are likely to be blocked again, and this time stay blocked, without further notice, if you are seen to do the same with any other person or organisation. I therefore strongly advise you not to edit in connection with Gary Michelson, even if you are convinced that your edits are "right". JamesBWatson (talk) 17:36, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the warning. Should I report the incorrect edits instead? They are not referenced. The user whom I believe has a personal relationship with Gary Michelson and another organization which I cannot mention is using references from only Gary Michelson's website. It is not independent besides false information. Mary Cummins (talk) 17:40, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Whether it is false or not I don't know, but it is clearly neither independent nor neutral. I have posted to the user's talk page, both mentioning the edit warring policy and pointing out the unsatisfactory nature of the source cited.


 * In answer to "Should I report the incorrect edits instead?" there are various ways to report such matters, such as the reliable sources notice board, and the administrators' incidents noticeboards. However, in my experience such boards are often a massive waste of time, creating a disproportionate amount of drama and achieving very little, and it is often much more constructive to inform an individual administrator. Since MisterUnit has already contacted me about the situation (which is how I came to be here) I shall keep an eye on the situation for a while. I do not wish to take sides in this issue, and at present I am trying to keep this at a level of pointing out to editors what possible problems their may be, but if necessary I will be willing to take administrative action. Of course, you are perfectly free to report the matter elsewhere, if you wish to. If you have any definite facts or evidence (as opposed to vague suspicions) which you think you "cannot mention" here, you can email me if you like. I normally prefer all communication about Wikipedia issues to be on Wikipedia, so that they are visible to the community, but sometimes there are legitimate reasons for confidentiality. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:29, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

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Pomona Envisions the Future
I saw that you removed citations and images from Pomona Envisions the Future. No one "owns" citations, and I see that they are from several sources, so I'm not sure what the issue is. There should be inline citations, and the article is tagged for that, but it the article was created using these sources and you remove them, it looks like original research or that there was no use of sources. I returned the citations, but it would be helpful to better understand your reasoning.

Regarding the images, I see that they are appropriately summarized regarding licensing information. Are you saying that these are your photos - not the person that posted them - and that you don't want them to be used?— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 00:21, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I am super confused about what is happening, since I see that the person that posted the images User:LouisBrownstone is a blocked user. Based on your wording in this edit summary, and that there has been a sockpuppet issue, I am wondering if you are also User:LouisBrownstone. I posted a message at Talk:Pomona Envisions the Future.— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 00:43, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Carole notified me about this situation. I am also confused.
 * File:Goddessofpomonafull.jpg was uploaded by User:LouisBrownstone 1 October 2008 -- the same day the metadata say the picture was shot. The mural was also completed in 2008. That suggests that the WP user either took the picture or came across a copy of it the same day it was shot.
 * Searching the web leads me to
 * https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/10/01/18542429.php?show_comments=1
 * which is the same picture and was posted 1 October 2008. That version is missing the metadata present on the WP jpeg (eg, ISO speed).
 * it leads me to www.pomonavisionsthefuture.com
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20120217023501/http://www.pomonaenvisionsthefuture.com/
 * the archive suggests that website could have gone up 1 October because its announcing a dedication on the 4 October
 * that picture has the metadata but is a different width and height.
 * If Mary Cummins took the picture, then it is her copyright. If LouisBrownstone took it, then he has granted permission to use the picture. I don't know, but would like clarification about Cummins' claim.
 * On a related front, no matter who took the picture, the license information for the jpeg on WP is inadequate. My understanding is Freedom of panorama does not extend to murals in the US, so the photo is a derivative work of the mural and therefore also needs permission from the copyright holder of the mural. The mural was made by many artists, and they apparently have to agree to the release.
 * http://www.rainewalker.com/Pomona.htm gives a list of some artists. I do not see Mary Cummins in that list, but the list is informal and incomplete. Mary Cummins may be one of the artists, and she may not have provided a release.
 * Without a release, Brownstone's picture may still qualify as fair use, but the image resolution may need to be reduced. I'm seriously out of my depth.
 * Posted at WP:Media copyright questions
 * Glrx (talk) 04:25, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * , Excellent, thanks! You know more about it than I do, and knew where to take it. She did say she was a contributor to the mural at Talk:Pomona Envisions the Future.--— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 04:46, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Reading that just confuses me more. Glrx (talk) 04:57, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It sounds like it supports your comment,, that the files should probably be pulled or one analyzed for fair use (since all three couldn't be, right?). Mary, it would be helpful if you commented at that discussion. It should be in your notifications, but if you lost it I can find it for you.— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 05:54, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I should have said it just makes my head hurt. I was going to bed some time ago, but instead I've been looking at panorama, nominations, digging 3 levels deep at archive.org, and reading SPI. It sounds like you understand the copyright issues in play. Glrx (talk) 06:14, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * , Oh, no, I feel bad about that. In terms of what I know about copyright of images, I know only enough to be dangerous. You posted it at the right place (Media copyright questions) and the folks there will clearly know what to do. If I don't see that Mary has posted anything there, I'll post the update about her comments about being part of the effort to paint the mural.— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 06:31, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Pomona Envisions the Future - connected contributor
Since you have made several statements about your connection to the article, as well as writing false information about it, I posted a Connected contributor template on the article. It is also recommended that for transparency that users post UserboxCOI on their user page. That page explains more about it.--— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 05:57, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Then the page should be deleted as I made the page. Delete the page. What is posted on the page is false. I found that out after I made the page. Mary Cummins (talk) 20:37, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * As you have mentioned on Talk:Pomona Envisioning the Future, the article is drastically different than it was 24 hours ago (because that's where the sources that I could find for article content led). If you look at the statistics for the article, your user name does not even appear in the graph about percentage of existing content, and it shows only one of your edits having remained through the article clean-up. I am guessing that is because I could not find sources for the long description section in this version of the article.— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 21:55, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I read MC's comment "I made the page" as being accurate. It fits with MC's claim to making the photographs. At least it all fits if MC's account back then was User:LouisBrownstone. Things would be so much clearer if MC just acknowledged that. It's long enough in the past that the SPI issues are now stale.
 * So, Mary, did you use the LB account back then? Or was it somebody else?
 * Glrx (talk) 03:02, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with the assessment and about the SPI being stale. It's really within her control to 1) explain so the files could be tagged or nominated for deletion - 2) or not, leaving the files on Wikipedia for use. One is already used in the Susan Krieg article.— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 03:38, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Based upon the fact that MC removed the file from Susan Krieg's article, but did not respond here or the Media copyright page, I recommend that we move ahead with deletion of the files, using the following as reasoning:


 * The files were uploaded by User:LouisBrownstone and assigned Creative Commons Share-Alike License 3.0, but this user has been blocked for sockpuppet issues. Now User:Mary Cummins, who has declared she has a close connection with the subject (Pomona Envisioning the Future), is saying that she took the pictures. She is also saying that she wrote the article, but there is only one edit from MaryCummins (removing the images) and many edits from LouisBrownstone, who started the article, per this report.


 * Since it seems that they are the same people and there likely be issues if the files are used in the articles again,please delete the files. See the following statements made by Cummins:
 * I made the page. I took those photos... with this edit
 * I was forced by a friend to make the Pomona Envisions the Future page. I was also forced to take the photos and add them with this edit
 * Removed my copyrighted photos which were not authorized to be on the page. Also removed my un-cited references. in the edit summary of this edit
 * photo not authorized, copyright violation from the edit summary which removed one of the files from the Susan Krieg article with this edit


 * The files are no longer attached to any articles.

What do you think?--— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 08:05, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I want Mary Cummins to speak on LouisBrownstone. So far, we have only MC claiming that she was one of the muralists, that she took the picture, that she created the news release, that she created the WP article, that the rededication was a sham, and that other statements about the mural were overblown or false. MC is not a reliable source. On the other hand, we know from WP logs that LouisBrownstone uploaded the picture and started the article. There is a press release at https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/10/01/18542429.php?show_comments=1 with comments and photos; the event occurred; the mayor and some council members showed up. The contact name for the press is Cheryl Bookout (not MC). There are people in the pictures, but I don't see MC among them (see "The entire gang"). MC's story hangs together if she claims to be LB, but some claims fall apart if she denies being LB. Glrx (talk) 17:45, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Just delete the photos. They are my photos. I took them with my camera. The mural is owned by the Tessier family as they own the building. The group of artists tried to sell tshirts with a photo of the mural on them. Victor Tessier sent them a cease and desist telling them they are not allowed as he owns the image. Tessier was a lawyer. They stopped selling the tshirts.Mary Cummins (talk) 18:15, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * That does not answer the question about LouisBrownstone. I am sure that someone with your experience knows how to answer the question. Re Victor Tessier see Edward Tessier, real estate developer with interest in art. Glrx (talk) 18:41, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * What I am hearing is: 1) LouisBrownstone started the article and uploaded the pictures, claiming that she took them and 2) unless there is some sort of tie back to LB and the original postings, it would seem that someone is trying to remove them who doesn't have the right to ask for them to be removed.— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 19:16, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how germane it is to this discussion, you've also mentioned that you, MC, wrote the press release, but that was written by someone named Rivera, which is also the name on at least one of the articles that were used as references that MC said were false.— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 19:48, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The family name is Maria Rivera. That press release was false. I relied on the artist giving me honest information and he did not. I later realized almost everything he told me was false. I don't want false info out there. Cheryl Bookout added other things which were also not honest. She was paid $3,500 by the artist to send around positive press about the artist. The artist lied to her and she gilded the lily in exchange for money. Wiki nominated the artist's page for deletion. It was deleted as he's not an artist of note. I later found out most of his history is false. He took credit for the work of many different people and a design studio [DL English http://dlenglishdesign.com]. I saw some of the murals and not only was his name not on them but someone else's name was on them. He was just a salary painter paid to project photos on a wall, trace them then fill them in color by number style. One of the works was an old postcard he found on the internet. He stole another artist's painting. Almost every single mural is just wallpaper in grocery stores. They have signs such as "meat dept" mounted in front of the murals. That's not art. He ended up being fired by DL English because of anger management issues and poor quality of work. Mary Cummins (talk) 21:32, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Once again, you have completely ignored the relevant question. What is your relationship to the LouisBrownstone account? Glrx (talk) 21:44, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't have to answer any question some Wiki user asks. Can I demand that you tell me your real name, birth date, home address...? I won't answer so stop asking. Those are my images which I want deleted. I don't even own the copyright as the image is owned by the owner of the building. BTW Eddie is the son and not the father who is Victor. I made [Victor Gerald Tessier's http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSmcid=48205043&GRid=174339726&df=7&]findagrave page.Mary Cummins (talk) 21:52, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Two things, I would suggest that you stop making defamatory remarks about people involved in the project, which are not supported by articles in the press or archived information about the artist's page. Second, since you cannot tie yourself to these photographs, I think our work to try and help you resolve this should end.— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 21:56, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I didn't defame him. I was there when he was fired. He also told me why his boss Debi fired him. Just because something isn't in a newspaper doesn't mean it didn't happen.


 * Back to the issue. Those are my photos and I want them deleted. I just noticed that two were up for deletion as they didn't have proper tags anyway. I will nominate all of them for deletion and that will be the end of this discussion. Because of this discussion about those images I will be removing every single image I ever added here. I have no desire to go through this again. What's ironic is I've taken and added photos of other murals to Wiki. They were deleted as copyright violations because I didn't own the murals. The owner of the murals wanted to sell items with the murals on them. He couldn't if someone else was posting the images with free license on Wiki. Mary Cummins (talk) 22:21, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * (e/c) Mary, you are trying to control the story. You tell us what you want to tell us, but you don't provide the information we ask for or need. The most reasonable interpretation is that LouisBrownstone is the photographer who took the 5 mural images and uploaded them to Wikipedia on the same day in 2008. Now you come along 8 years later (why such a long delay?), claim that the pictures are yours, and want us to delete them. You provide no proof of your copyright claims. You refuse to answer a question about a logical consequence of your statements. If you are LB, then you have the copyright to the photos. If you are not LB and LB took the photos, then you have no claim to the photos. If you are not LB but took the photos, then you should have an explanation about how LB obtained access to the 5 photos in your camera on the same day you took them. Hanging over all of this is that LB is not some user who is clueless but rather a user who is very sophisticated about copyright law: LB made a sophisticated addition] to Visual Artists Rights Act (and also to California Art Preservation Act). When LB uploaded the pictures, LB claimed that he alone took the photographs. To me, the most reasonable position is LouisBrownstone holds the copyright to the five photos. Instead of answering a simple question, you seek my real name, my home address, and my birthdate. None of those questions are relevant to you attacking LB's copyright claim. Glrx (talk) 22:36, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Go to LouisBrownstone (talk) and see message. The photos must be removed. Mary Cummins (talk) 22:50, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * That still does not answer the question. Why is it so hard to say that you are LB? Glrx (talk) 23:20, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I admitted it many, many, many times above yet you keep asking the same question. What is your problem? The account was deleted as a sockpuppet. I've communicated directly with Wikipedia over this issue. I didn't know it was against TOS to have two accounts back then. I only did it because people like CaroleHenson stalk people to other pages to harass them if they don't like an edit. Carole stalked me over to the now deleted Victorino Noval Foundation page to attack me there. CaroleHenson was siding with users who support a convicted felon who is running a fake foundation to fleece people. CaroleHenson then stalked me to my talk page here to harass me some more. You are now stalking and harassing me over a non-issue. You two need to chill out. All this over a silly Wikipedia page essentially about nothing.Mary Cummins (talk) 01:04, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I admitted it many, many, many times above yet you keep asking the same question. What is your problem? The account was deleted as a sockpuppet. I've communicated directly with Wikipedia over this issue. I didn't know it was against TOS to have two accounts back then. - You have never directly said that you are LouisBrownstone, and that was the user that uploaded the photos. But, I made an update with a summary of the issue to Media copyright questions, please comment there if you have anything to add.
 * I only did it because people like CaroleHenson stalk people to other pages to harass them if they don't like an edit. Carole stalked me over to the now deleted Victorino Noval Foundation page to attack me there. CaroleHenson was siding with users who support a convicted felon who is running a fake foundation to fleece people. CaroleHenson then stalked me to my talk page here to harass me some more. You are now stalking and harassing me over a non-issue.
 * I have not been stalking you. When you deleted the files and sources from the article, it popped up on my watchlist. I have been trying to sort out what was going on with this very unusual edit. I then cleaned up the article that I had never edited before that point.
 * I noticed you nominated an article for deletion, but had an interest in that article, so I made a comment at WP:Articles for deletion/Victorino Noval Foundation, including supporting your edit to remove content from the article that was gleaned from your blog.
 * and I have only remained active to try and resolve the issue about the files due to your request. You are now saying that this is "a non-issue". If you are saying that you no longer request the files to be deleted, please comment at Media copyright questions.— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 16:36, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I still want the images deleted. Delete the images.Mary Cummins (talk) 18:16, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

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Victor Tessier moved to draftspace
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Managing a conflict of interest
Draft:Victor Tessier Sulfurboy (talk) 04:38, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Now you're really reaching. I don't know Victor Tessier. You've since for no reason added more tags to the article instead of approving it. I did everything which was suggested. This really shows the discriminatory treatment towards me. Now you're going through my history to cyberstalk me here on Wikipedia. Mary Cummins (talk) 04:42, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

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 * I have not caused damage or disruption. I have made useful contributions. Sulfurboy just wants to increase his number of edits. That includes making an edit stating a page has an issue when it no longer had that issue. I stated that Sulfurboy cyberstalked me outside of Wiki and defamed me here. He did that. To show how petty Sulfurboy is after he attacked and defamed me he undid my last edits of totally unrelated pages just to spite me. That is beyond childish. This childish, vindictive, misogynistic behavior is very common here. I just read this article and absolutely agree with it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/how-wikipedia-is-hostile-to-women/411619

I'm amazed you let this page stay here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_bias_on_Wikipedia

Wikipedia clearly has a major problem with this behavior. That's why I rarely post here anymore. If a male user acts inappropriately, instead of reprimanding that user you gang up and attack the woman. More evidence of this pettiness is removing my profile page stating I was using Wiki as a host. I have my own websites and don't need a host. No one can see it unless they're logged in here. It was removed for petty spite.

If Wikipedia is going to continue this hostility to women, I don't want to be a part of it. I will not apologize for something I didn't do but other male Wiki users did do. Sulfurboy defamed me here. That defamation has not been removed. He is disruptive and has caused damage. He removed edits on an unrelated page for no reason. Instead of doing anything about that you guys high five each other and continue to act in this disgusting manner. I will be forwarding this to the Wikimedia Foundation and Board. The Gender Bias page is clearly lip service to a problem you have no desire to fix. Mary Cummins (talk) 21:29, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Talk page access revoked.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:58, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

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