User talk:Marybethmccabe

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 * Hello, I just wanted to come by to offer to help. Though it is quite possible we do or will need an article about the concept "American tea ceremony", your current draft is nowhere near what we need. An encyclopedia article addresses a specific topic, while what you have bounces all over, from talking about the history of tea in America, to how to steep different types; 90%+ of your article does not even touch on the title concept of "American tea ceremony".


 * I understand that the American Tea Masters' Association just a few months ago launched a new ceremony, but we can only have an article about that if it's getting significant media coverage. And no, PRweb and similar press releases don't count as real coverage. If there are previous ceremonies also described specifically as "American tea ceremony" or similar, the article could discuss the development of the concept over time. However, what it cannot do is just take examples of tea culture in America and label them "American tea ceremony" as that is personal interpretation of facts, what we call WP:Original research.


 * Please do not hit "Resubmit" at this time, as you're going to have to make some significant changes if you want to get this published. If you're up for that, ping me on my Talk page, or contact the volunteer mentors at WP:Teahouse, and we should be able to get you back on track writing a proper encyclopedia article rather than a personal essay. MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:01, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

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Suggestions on Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/American Tea Ceremony
Hello, as noted previously, overall you have a good idea, but it needs to become more of a Wiki article than what it is now. Here are few key things you need to address:

"The American tea ceremony is a conceptualized American take on the tea-drinking traditions of Europe, with the addition of American cultural practices. Such a ceremony was suggested as early at 17?? when Benjamin Franklin proposed XYZ. The idea failed to gain traction, though later proposals propped up, such as Eric Whiffenboffer III's attempt to require every student at Harvard in 1893 to conduct a 30-minute tea ceremony at 4pm each day. In 1974, Anna Cline's Entertaining the idea of an American tea ceremony with special reference to its environment this is actually a real example again proposed such a ceremony, but had little success outside of (fake example) the Puget Sound region in the late 1970s. In 2013, the American Tea Society again attempted to renew interest in the ceremony with their publication of the XYZ."
 * The article needs a WP:Lead section, which is to be extremely direct and succinct. So Wikipedia article don't start out with "You know, tea has been around for thousands of years, and over time people have come to..." Nope, not at all. The article must start with something like (making up an example here):
 * That would be a proper intro, and then below that you start your sections about specific eras/issues. You can have a little (like a sentence or two) backstory about how popular tea was in the Colonies in order to set the scene for why Franklin wanted to have a specific ceremony.


 * Don't despair though, a lot of your current data and early drafts can be salvaged and made into a History of tea in the United States, so don't feel it'll all go to waste. You might actually want to gather bits from your previous drafts (hit the page's History tab to see any of your previous versions) and paste them into User:Marybethmccabe/History of tea in the United States (click this red link to open the new blank sandbox page).
 * Do you understand now the steps to take? Encyclopedia articles must be explicitly about the specific topic, with a bare minimum of scene setting and digressions. And as noted above, you cannot personally interpret what you think is an "American tea ceremony. Unless a reputable commentator labels it an "American tea ceremony", you cannot personally decide "hey, this way of serving tea in Texas in 1832 is something that I'd call a tea ceremony!". You have to keep you own personal analysis out, and present only facts as recorded in journalism and academia. Personal analysis is great if you're writing a book or news article, but an encyclopedia collects ideas, it does not create new interpretations.

Does this help a bit? Post the code  on my Talk page to alert me if you respond to this message, and I'll come back here and read it. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:39, 1 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you, this is very helpful. Here's what I propose to do. I will post a very short American Tea Ceremony post. I know there will be others who will add to this over time. I will submit what I have already done to a new page called HistoryofAmericanTea. Will what I wrote be accepted?
 * Thank you for your service to this great tool. Marybethmccabe (talk) 14:58, 6 August 2013 (UTC)Mary Beth McCabe


 * Not a problem. In order not to lose the page history (large copy-paste moves are discouraged for this reason) I will go and create two separate article bodies for you, and will paste the links here in a moment. MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:17, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Tea in the United States (note the current articles Tea in Russia, Tea in Pakistan, Tea in Australia for an idea of how parallel articles are written/structured)
 * On second look, there's a current article American tea culture. How about we take a look at that and see if your general history info is better to go into that page as an expansion, vice a separate article? Check out the overall category Category:Tea culture by country for ideas.
 * Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/American Tea Ceremony - here's your page specifically for ceremonies themselves

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 * Marybeth, the article is verging right back into "Marybeth's views on the history of tea in America" and not "what people have written about a tea ceremony for American culture". Again, an article with the specific title "American tea ceremony" has to be about times people have suggested/advocated/observed something specifically identified as a tea ceremony for/in America. Not the history of America and tea, not customs/practices which one might possibly consider ceremonial, but rather what we want is the times that Franklin, Teamasters, etc. have said "Hey, I like those tea ceremonies, we should have one of those for American culture!" and then we record and describe those proposals and their impact. Am I explaining this right? Please see similar comments I added to the top of your current draft. MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:35, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Tea in the United States (September 17)
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 * Have you considered taking the materials you've written for this draft and simply merging them into the existing article American tea culture? That might be the easiest bet, and then we could make Tea in the United States a WP:Redirect to said article, so we'd have everything about American tea history and practices on one page. Take a look at American tea culture, see if that might be the best place to centralise everything, and then a separate article for American tea ceremony gets published and you're all out of drafting and into working articles. MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:38, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

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