User talk:Matheson-Sutherland

Interests:

Works in Progress,

Bye-Bye, Bunny, a novel with four sequels:

1. Cry me a Rainbow, 2020 AD, Frame Story

2. Internal Combustion, Beaver City Utan, Letters between seperated sisterwIves and former progressive employers in  London, 5 Nocturnes-1910, Cape Cod, travel to England.

3. The Mustangs, London, Benthamites, Turkey American Heiresses on the make were called Mustangs.

4. Dad's War-WWII, China Air Task Force The Sin Eater, Life in the post-war Haight-Asbury, The Menopausal Unwed Mother 5. Family Secrets, an ancient circle of Mormon Sister-Wives say their last good-byes, decide to confide shocking secrets never before disclosed. About 1,000 pages in semi-draft form.

2. The Sheewolve's Daughter, Sci Fi--alt history The Nazi's develope the bomb and use it to stave off The Allies. The other major powers build arsenals and develop the concept of mutually assured distruction (MAD). The Comunists direct party members at the University of Kiev to go home to their villages. The Anarchists decide to stick it out as partisans and control an area the size of a European State. (true) They fight the Nazi's in Rumania, where Jews are slaughtered and those able to fight are put in cattle trucks to be taken to        Germany as slaves. Because of the number of mixed marriages, the Werewolves fight ferociously, then the Anarchists to set up roadblocks to       rescue their Classmates who begin to fight as partisans.

Hitler becomes exasperated and initiates MAD. All large life forms die, but the Werekin do not. There are far more werespecies than thought, opening the possibility that they evolved on Earth

100,000 YEARS PASS--Silly Zilly is a Werewolf whose pack decides to apply to attend school in Britain, where there is a Neo-Nazi Reversion. Hadrian's wall has been reinforced and. . .to be continued

3. Mountain Meadows Massacre--Wolves Domain,

Adolescent Fiction:

One of Jacob Hamblin's Indian Wives, a Medicine Woman whose old father is an Indian Doctor ( I''ve not seen anywhere where his tribe is mentioned, he is said to have gathered up the children who survived and taken them to a cabin shared by two of Jacob's wives and probably his adopted son Albert who managed Mountain Meadows, owned by the LDS Church and used by the Spanish previously on the old Spanish Trail.

Jacob Hamblin gave the emigrants permission to camp there, probably expecting them to be there when he returned from up North.

The Indians took the clothes of the Fancher/Bakers because cloth was so bitterly scarce both for whites and indians and so they would not be shredded by the wolves.

K?ote Woman is so far talking in monologue with the oldest Dunlop girl--neither she or her sister have been killed, but dead girls have been put in the place of the living girls and Shivave is preparing them for a trip by burro up into the Narrows Country with the rest of the Hamblin Women and Children who will live in a hanging vally during the second year of the Utah War--when Buchannon replaced his 1st Govenor elect "Squaw Killer Harney" and his starved troops with a more acceptable Appointy with a Small Force, his guard was called Johnson's Army, and the Federal Appointee was Governor Cummings.

Nearly everything in the Mountain Meadows Page is a major or minor error. There may have been written sources, but little was known about the Massacre for a few years afterwards--this was one of its grizzly rationale-- to keep word of the fighting at Mountain Meadows  The Fanchers seem to have entered Cedar City where the Missouri Wildcats, among the Fanchers' armed guard, bragged of committing vile crimes against woman and girls, and most important, to have been among the Mob/Militia that put 40 rounds into Joseph Smith so all could claim to have killed him.

They hoped this would send John D. Lee scurrying off to get them grain, but instead a personal reference to the rape of John D. Lee's Sixteen Year Daughter broke his will. The threat of returning with the Genocidal California Militias, who killed 250,000 Indians by the turn of the Century was real and terrifying to the saints. (small s, this is simply a biblical name for the members of Christ's Primitive Church.)

The Echo Canyon War began when Cummings and Johnson's Army set foot on the trail. It was almost entirely bloodless, relying on Indian methods of Warfare. That reasons to fear the California Militias were real can be documented by the California Native Genocide, including many massacres,and the massacre of 244 Ute indians at the Underguarded North--known asthe Bear River Massacre. A descendent of the survivor of that massacre attended the Memorial Service at Mountain Meadows on September 11, 2007.

I favor the return of the Gibb's article, it is racist and anti-Mormon, but is clearly written and can thus be addressed. He also had a very reliable correspondent. It is not useful to site a usually reliable source whose source for it's article are years later and largely hearsay.

My source is my Grandfather, whose wife excavated the burned out mill operated by John D. Lee for the milling of church grain and that grown as compensation for the Indians whose traditional harvest time involved tribes from Nevada and the beating of native large seeded grass into catching baskets.

I've had to Wolves Domain on hold, but hope to return to it. My Mountain Meadow's Site--it's going to take time to come to a concensus on MountainMeadows for wiki--is called www.mountainmeadowswiki@blogspot.com.

My sources are family ones, going back to Daniel Matheson, my Great Great Great Grandfather, his son, Alexander Matheson whose wife lived with the Panguitch, Utah, Indigenous People until it was safe to return to the lowlands, and his son who was Bishop of Cedar City for much of his life, knew those involved in the massacre well, and conversations with my Grandpa Matheson , especially during the summer I was at BYU.

He lived to 991/2 and was the repository of local History, receiving many academic visitors until his death. Eugene England and Clifton Jolley team taught a class at BYU that summer which included Ptofessor England research on the Mountain Meadows Massacre. We spoke of our conversations in Southern Utah in private and I have used some of this in the Wolves Domain. Gene England has died, but Clifton Jolley, whose Grandmother was my Grandmothers' only female relative on the paternal side. He did a column on her in the Desert News circa. 1979.

Edward Geary was a frequent visitor to the class which I audited on a return trip to BYU where my husband was finishing an Incomplete.

I'd take written and video accounts with a grain of Salt, including the Jerimiah Hatch site on Blogger which contains a PBS Video on the massacre, accurate, but without context. There are websites springing up all over by descendants whose ancestors left accounts of these times--some men left written, but uncollected to date records.

I always wanted to spend a night alone at the Meadows, communing with the Spirits of the Dead, and have been too ill since 1980. I'm sad to have put this off too long and lost the chance.

The massacre was tactical--as though designed by vulcans, but the men who could not stop it, Post traumatic Stress Disorder Victims of the highest order, and the perpetrators, who likewise suffered, did not commit this act out of hatred for its civilian victims. Their guilt was terrible, thoughamong atrocities of this type, they acted, I believe, in self defense.

The Senior Militia Officers, not named anywhere, were part or entirely light skinned Indians, descendants of mixed marriages, or of a regiment of Highland Scots who the British abandoned after the Revolutionary War.

These lived near Joseph Smith and served as bodyguards and scouts to him and later to Brigham Young--they or their sons may have departed from the widespread norm that indigenous Americans did not kill women or children. These were abnormal, anomolous circumstances, but may account for a credible misunderstanding that the massacre of women and children was committed by white men dressed as Indians.