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Transformers
Why are you removing all the Transformers from the categories they belong to? Mathewignash (talk) 12:43, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * First off, I'm not removing all the categories.
 * Second, transformers aren't ants, or gorillas or dinosaurs. They merely change into that shape. (And besides, as has been shown repeatedly, the "form" selected can and does change over time.)
 * And, just as a character who can shapechange into a bat is considered someone who can shapechange, but not someone who can fly, the same applies here.
 * Does that clarify? - jc37 12:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced that a robot cat doens't deserve to be in the fictional cats category - has there been a talk about this? Also, those characters who can fly can fly even when in humanoid form. Flying isn't part of their shape shifting. Heck, characters like Ape-Linq can fly but are gorillas. Nothing to do with their shapeshifting. Mathewignash (talk) 12:53, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Except that it's not a "robot cat". It's a fictional humanoid race of silicon-based lifeforms.
 * And yes, I believe nearly every decepticon can fly, and most "new" transformers as well. So perhaps the better plan would be to add Category:Transformers characters to Category:Fictional characters who can fly. To include every transformer character in the cat makes it difficult to identify non-transformer characters. - jc37 13:01, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, not every Transformer can fly. They are not a humanoid race. How would you categorize Laserbeak. Mathewignash (talk) 13:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually was thinking about Lazerbeak (and others) when I wrote that. If you check out Autobot, you may find that it too describes them as humanoid robots. (Noting that the Beast Wars version of Lserbeak seems to be humanoid as well.) - jc37 13:17, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The fiction varies creatly. For insatnce in the Japanese Beast Wars Neo Manga many of the characters started lift as actual beasts, who were exposed to alien energy and gained humanoid-robot forms. Also, in the Beast Wars series the characters actually carry the DNA of animals in their skin, because they are basically cloned from real animals to make their alternate forms. Additinally there are the "Mutant" Transformers who only turn from one animal to another. Is a robotic bear who turns into an robotic owl a bear, an owl or robot? I figured it was safer to place them in any category they COULD fall into. Mathewignash (talk) 13:24, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The answer is: They're fictional robots.
 * If any of the characters were actual beasts in their backstory (as you suggest about the Japanese Neo Manga), then (for those only) then potentially those characters only might be included in the fictional animals cats.
 * And for Beast Wars, the DNA is merely for the organic "skin"/body, and doesn't make them any less robots. - jc37 13:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, technically they are alien energy beings who wear robotic bodies, since their "sparks" are alive. I'd like to see this discussed. Do we go with the characters ORIGINAL body if they assume a new one? Look at the Ultra Humanite. He was born a human, but he's in Fictional Apes. Charactrs who are aliens or mutants with forms that are animal like are kept in those categories. Look at Sauron (comics) Mathewignash (talk) 13:51, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, if you would like to go the route of calling them energy beings, then they're still not fictional dogs, or whatever. We don't categorise by possession.
 * But (in most cases), I believe that they require the robot body to survive, else their "spark" fails, and they "die". (There are exceptions, obviously).
 * And I don't doubt that there are other such problems in categories.
 * All that aside, if you would like to put this before a wider audience, that's fine with me. WT:WikiProject Transformers, and WT:WikiProject Comics would probably be the best places to start. - jc37 14:01, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

why u want their info box down there? all the info box for fictional characters(or anything else such as actors, football players...) like Peter Griffin are not in the middle. Joojoo ra (talk)

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Well lets see... the character is a robot that can take the appearance of a dragon and a wolf.

Appearing to be a dragon does not make the character a fictional dragon, just that it can disguise itself as one. Same goes for the wolf.

And a werewolf is a specific thing, not just "the character can disguise itself as a wolf." This Transformer just doesn't match up to what a werewolf is.

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Who voiced Megatron
I really don't need this to descend into one of us making more than three reverts, considering the article already has enough people adding rumours each day, but what makes you think it's necessary to mention Welker for some tie-in? What about those who voiced the characters in the games or the other cartoons? Alientraveller (talk) 21:34, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I mention Welker because he was a voice actor on the DVD release of the film. This page is about the Transformers film. Mathewignash (talk) 22:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * But he didn't voice him in the film. That's something different. Alientraveller (talk) 10:28, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * He voiced him in the film's DVD extras, so it's worth mentioning. Mathewignash (talk) 21:23, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

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The point in merging Apeface and Snapdragon (Transformers) into Horrorcons is that the actual content of the articles is pretty much identical, save for the Transformers' names and their forms. To me, it makes no sense to have several Wikipedia articles with pretty much identical contents. You seem to have a habit of making a separate article for every individual Transformer, even if what there is actually say about him is already found in another article. As a Transformers fan since the late 1980s, I myself believe every Transformer character who has something to say about him deserves a Wikipedia article, but this should not go to extremes. Every Transformers character ever deserves a mention on Wikipedia, but only an individual article if there's enough text about that particular character - not just a verbatim copy from another article - to say about him. I'm sorry to be so harsh to you, but that's the way I feel. J I P | Talk 20:12, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


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Megatron
Just to let you know I've done quite a bit of work on the Megatron article within my personal sandbox here. Let me know your thoughts on my talk page.

Just to give you a little heads up, the sections and subsection heads of the article have been de-wikified to keep things neat within the confines of my sandbox. When I add the changes main article, the format blockers will be removed. Sarujo (talk) 03:19, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Concerning Perceptor
When talking about what fictional characters have done, you do present tense. It won't be 'Iron Man defeated the aliens with a laser'. It'll be 'Iron Man defeats the aliens with a laser'. I'm trying to remember more details on the thing, but all I can recall at the moment is that Wikipedia administrator 'Emperor' can vouch for me. He's helped me out a lot when I have forgotten things. Lots42 (talk) 05:52, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * As above, the Wiki-administrator 'Emperor' should better be able to help you with the matter you talked about on my page. Lots42 (talk) 00:48, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Dude, I have done the exact same thing. No big. Lots42 (talk) 03:47, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

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Concerning our dispute
If he's not mentioned by name, then it is yet -another- reason not to say anything about the episode. Lots42 (talk) 02:00, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
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You've got it wrong
Its not Arcee, skids and mudflap its Arcee and her two other sisters, if you properly look at the trailer and pictures of it then you'll see. Also Mudflap and Skids are BUMBLEBEES partner. And where did you get the thing that 'Sideways kills Arcee' you don't see that in the trailer! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.111.23 (talk) 16:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Look at this then!
Look at this then, http://www.empireonline.com/features/transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-teaser-trailer-breakdown/9.asp

I rest my case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.111.23 (talk) 16:34, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

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pictures
how do u insert new pictures there was a new one of starscream on michael bay.com but i dont know how AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 03:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Protection for Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
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The Fallen
The plot is leaked from the movie, right? Then it shouldn't be up since the movie isn't out. So it should stay off the page. --Bold Clone (talk) 00:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

ROTF
id uploaded these pictures but since i couldnt source them they got taken off i was fixing them but u got to them them before i did AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 01:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

skids voice
uh... you added tom kenny and messed up the box and now you took him away i dont get it Baller449 (talk) 23:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

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semi-protection
i got sideways and the fallen protected but soundwave and sideswipe didnt as their hasnt been recent reapetedly IP vandalism +someone submitted jetfire optimus and megatron but i think jetfire is the only one with a real chance of getting semi protected megatron and optimus...maybe AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 03:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

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semi-protection
optimus megatron and jetfire protected also AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 18:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Enryū6473 responce
Ya, I have had some difficulty (note discussion on my talk page). Also when uploading these I was trying to hurry because I needed to go to a test like right after, so I didn't have time to make corrections. Anyway, thanks for your help. Ill change that license asap. Enryū6473 (talk) 22:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

jetfire
but hes in revenge of the fallen not the 2007 film Baller449 (talk) 02:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC) Look again, he was in the 2007 film card game. Mathewignash (talk) 02:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

oh Baller449 (talk) 02:35, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

photos
their cool arent they you should see the other ones on prime chromia devastator and jolt and mudflap Baller449 (talk) 04:41, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

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Transformers Edit
I do not see why you would change the wording back to a sequel when it is actually a prequel. Even the episode list on Wikipedia confirms this. Ayafoxfire (talk) 05:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Jetfire revert
Hi, could you please tell me why you reverted my edit to Jetfire? He wasn't in the 2007 movie, he's in the upcoming 2009 one, which is what the section is about. Also, to avoid this problem in the future, please give a reason in the edit summary unless reverting vandalism. Thanks.--Flash176 (talk) 15:51, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * He was in the 2007 film's tie in line, even if he didn't appear in the film. Mathewignash (talk) 18:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * In that case, the section needs to say that, because it only mentions the 2009 movie. I'm changing the section header to "Transformers films" because 2007 is misleading.--Flash176 (talk) 22:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Please either fix the section or stop undoing my edits. As I said, the 2007 movie is not mentioned in the section. If you want to go by his first appearance, then that needs to be clarified. If you are referring to his being in the card game as the 2007 appearance, then the article needs to say that. With currently no mention or article about the game, laymen aren't going to know anything about the card game.--Flash176 (talk) 22:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you. :)--Flash176 (talk) 23:45, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Mudflap photo
whats wrong with the size it looks fine Baller449 (talk) 18:45, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

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ROTF
im just trying to update them with current pics Baller449 (talk) 19:38, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No reason to, the existing pics are descriptive enough. Mathewignash (talk) 19:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * i was wondering why you uploaded File:Ironhide-movieconcept.jpg if we're not going to use them they will be deleted by the 21st i mean what was the point of reloading them an admin already marked it Baller449 (talk) 20:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

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optimus prime
i wasnt planning on adding more and what was wrong with the optimus prime in revenge of the fallen Baller449 (talk) 19:15, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Please don't add any more photos to pages that will give them excesive photos. Mathewignash (talk) 20:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ok fine i'll stop i promise Baller449 (talk) 20:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Tom Kenny Voice Credit in ROTF
I'd like to understand your reasoning behind the removal of Tom Kenny's vocal credit for the character of Wheelie in the upcoming Transformers sequel. It was said in an interview with Michael Bay that Kenny would have at least one role in the film. Also, a clip from the film is available for viewing here - http://cinematoday.jp/page/A0002228 - and many have identified Wheelie's voice as being provided by Kenny. Is this not proof enough? WARendfeld (talk) 23:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)