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Vin DiCarlo
If you google Vin DiCarlo then scroll down and look at the cache there is an older version of the page from Jan 9. laurap414 (talk) 19:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Vin DiCarlo 2
Hey Mathmo,

Thanks for the support on Vin DiCarlo. I'm new at this and it helps to know that there's someone trying to see the merit in what people are writing rather than just voting to DELETE because they don't like what they read.

I think it's important to include DiCarlo as part of the community because he represents a whole mode of thought that's been gaining in popularity.

It appears that you've contributed to a number of pages regarding the pickup/seduction community so I'm guessing you have some knowledge about it.

I'm hesitant to post anything now because of salting and being blocked. I just wanted to start a basic page to which people could add their opinions good or bad. The last page I posted was basically just facts about his life. It didn't mention anything about his reputation except for the fact that he's known for creating the concept of "Natural Game"

I'd appreciate your help on this.

1. How many independent sources does a subject need to be valid? 2. Given that the seduction community is largely web based except for a minority of people who have very recently gotten the attention of mainstream media (due in large part to the book The Game which is written by a member of the community) is it at all valid to use blogs or other reputable websites as sources? 3. What can I put up there now to avoid saltage and blockage?

Thanks again! Zbrowman (talk) 20:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) Several sources are needed (i.e. more than one).
 * 2) Yes, though obviously you can't basis an article entirely upon blog sources because they are generally user created content (and additionally common sense has to be applied in what blogs are to included, and which are simply blah and are not to be included).
 * 3) There is no danger of you being blocked based on your current/past behavior that I've seen (and assuming you don't go breaking anything like WP:3RR or WP:CIVIL etc in the future). Why are you worried about being blocked?!?! As for the article to be salted, well... I strongly believe there are no reasons of that to happen even IF it is deleted (obviously an article needs to be deleted first before it can be salted). The best thing you can do is actively participate on the AfD (I noticed you have made one comment on it, but you really must also write your keep "vote" along with your reasons next to it as well, like I and others have done). Also improve the current page so it looks better, and actually IS better. Doing what the person above said about using the google cache would be a good start for you (though you might find the wiki code a little difficult).

Anyway, hope this helps a little. Feel free to ask any more questions or for other help, I'm happy to help a newbie on this matter. :) Mathmo Talk 21:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

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Hey! I noticed that you had a fake new mail bar. This is generally frowned upon, so can you please remove that? Thanks!  Jonathan  17:55, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Read the past discussions, it is fine. Perhaps I'll need to add next a "warning: a sense of humour is required to enjoy this area"? Ah well, anyway hope you too have had a great weekend! Cheers. Mathmo Talk 20:38, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

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Please read WP:BLP and the BLP notice on the talk page before you revert any further removals of information from that biography. DGG (talk) 05:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Mystery Method
Your writeup of the legal dispute is word-for-word what is posted on the Venusian Arts site. It is NOT neutral. I don't know what your commercial agenda is who you are, but there are two sides to this dispute (as I linked to before it got removed) and so far the courts have all ruled that the claims that VA has put up (and repeated on this page word-for-word) do NOT have merit.

Please be open-minded about the situation craft something neutral. âPreceding unsigned comment added by 75.47.140.107 (talk) 19:45, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Please see Talk:Mystery Method. Thanks!  &amp;nbsp; â Jeff G. (talk&amp;#124;contribs) 20:32, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Long user talk page
This user talk page is becoming long. Some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please archive this talk page in accordance with the guidelines laid out here. You can do this automatically with MiszaBot III. Thank you. &amp;nbsp; â Jeff G. (talk&amp;#124;contribs) 20:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * cheers, had plans for a certain kind of arrangement of archiving that I was going to get around to doing sometime in the future...  but this looks like an easier alternative that I'll do for now. Mathmo Talk 21:15, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

No I am not!
What I do not understand is why would you not let the court ruling sit there? What can be your agenda behind that? âPreceding unsigned comment added by Truthfullmee (talk â¢ contribs) 21:53, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, I have replied on the mystery method talk page regarding your statement that are not that IP and regarding the edits to the article. Cheers. Mathmo Talk 22:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

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Would you like to have rollback? It's more efficient for some anti-vandalism purposes than the javascript tools such as Twinkle.- gadfium 07:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * yes thank you, as I've been finding recently a large proportion of my edits are just reverting vandalism or similar from pages on my watchlist (become much more busy with ironman racing/training and now uni has just started! got a very heavy workload, oops). ages ago rollback would have been the main reason I'd have wanted the admin tools, though I know for a while now they have had rollback available separately which is handy. Mathmo Talk 08:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks!
Ok buddy, I really appreciate your adds now. I've always been a sucker for feedback here on Wikipedia, especially because I've had many of my changes undone or dumbed down without reason. Now, I'm really pleased I got some info.

You informed me about the mASF archive, which I'm sorting through now, and I must say, thank you! This is a gold mine of info! I don't know if you saw it or not, but on that site, fastseduction.com, they have original work from Mystery, Style, TD, Herbal, and Extramask. It's all there, completely free! I mean, this is incredible. I get to see exactly where Style made up the jealous girlfriends opener, and I get to see what Mystery was writing and going through during his dates with Katya. They even have links to her pics, and man was she hot! Better still, it shows progression and development of the social theories too, where Mystery expands on comfort-building, challenges new guys, and offers invitations to events. Together with The Game, this will make for an excellent resource.

Thank you so much! -PolskanPUA (talk) 14:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

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Savoy and Love Systems
Hi! I noticed a comment of your a couple of years ago saying you'd be interested in working with Clockworkorange (who I can't seem to get in touch with) about a Savoy page. I edited one a few weeks ago and put a lot of work into it and it got deleted. You seem more experienced around here than I. Are you interested in working with me on this? Camera123456 (talk) 00:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * perhaps, there is now even more media coverage than there was back then of Savoy. For instance he was on the latest Dr Phil episode. So yeah, I'm happy to help out with tips and point out when you are or are not going in the right direction etc... Mathmo Talk 09:56, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've seen your Savoy article...or at least, the bits you had together for an article. If there was a longer piece, let me know; what I saw was kinda short. I'm willing to help out, and I'll add to it as I get time. If you see an interesting article or see some pickup artist that is newly added, let me know. I'll do the same.

--PolskanPUA (talk) 22:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't mean to bust your balls or anything, but the Dr. Phil article was not "new" per se. It was actually taped in like 2006, but it was aired for the first time just a week ago because of growing interest in the seduction community.

--PolskanPUA (talk) 22:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * yup, I know it was taped way back but from the point of wikipedia it is "new" in the sense that now you can use it as a reference, as I'm sure you can appreciate it would be a little unique to use for a reference a show that has not been broadcast yet and has also not been widely publicized yet. Mathmo Talk 05:54, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

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May I request you remove this per WP:SMI?  &amp;nbsp;Asenine&amp;nbsp;  08:56, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * this has been discussed in the past, in the end it is up to the individual user. it is just a playful joke :) Mathmo Talk 06:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

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Dude, where'd you get your user name? My friends at university used to call me the mathmo because I studied maths. Did it come from somewhere or did you invent it? Declan Davis (talk) 18:22, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * same, I studied maths too :) Mathmo Talk 00:11, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Seduction community tags
Hello--OK, I really just removed those tags because a particular user had been tagging articles willy-nilly, and so I undid most of what they had done. If you're involved and really think those projects are relevant, awesome. C RETOG 8(t/c) 01:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. I just afterwards saw this: User_talk:88.105.22.28! lol That was a funny add of economics. Anyway, SecondSight has already correctly removed what was wrong. The ones on the talk page had been there already for ages. Anyway, keep up the good work! :D Mathmo Talk 01:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

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Mathew Chuk
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People ganging up to disrupt an article
Hi,

I found you at Editor assistance. If you can spare a few minutes of your time helping out at Indo-Aryan loanwords in Tamil, I would be thankful.

I am developing an article on words borrowed by  Tamil from Indo-Aryan languages. I am citing a standard authoritative lexicon from which I find the words that are borrowed before including them at Indo-Aryan loanwords in Tamil. There are a few people who seem to be intent in damaging the article by adding "cite" tags, "disputed" and "dubious" tags for the article and threatening to delete it within 24 hours.

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Love Systems WP
Hi Mathmo,

I'm working on a Love Systems wikipedia page and I saw that you're an active contributor to the seduction pages. Since I'm not very familiar with WP, I would love to get your feedback on the page.

You can find it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Camera123456/Sandbox

Any feedback is welcome.

Thanks in advance. âPreceding unsigned comment added by Camera123456 (talk â¢ contribs) 21:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

David X
Yeah, this minorly pains me, but I don't think there is enough to work with in the article for me to salvage it. I'm just working and seeing too many women nowadays to spend as much time on Wikipedia as I used to. On another note, they are trying to delete Average Frustrated Chump again, and as usual ignoring sources present in the article. --SecondSight (talk) 04:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Nick Savoy
Hi Mathmo,

I saw you previously supported the "Nick Savoy" page. Some administrator is deleting it for personal reasons and we need to get it through the deletion review.

Could you show support for the page again at this URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Savoy,_Nick ?

Your input is much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Camera123456 (talk) 18:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Mystery Method page
Hey - thanks for the support on the Savoy page. I noticed you reverted my revisions to the MM page when I tried to update it. I respect you a lot and you've been around longer than I have, so I'm sure there were good reasons. I made a bunch of edits at once, and I'm hoping they're not ALL bad, so what I did - and I hope this is okay - is I went back and made a bunch of those updates, one by one. That way you can leave the stuff you agree with and revert anything you don't like. I'm basically trying to update the page to take out some anti-Mystery stuff (like him "surruptiously" transferring the domain) and also update the page to account for Mystery Method's post-2005 nature without Mystery. As well as a general cleanup of grammar and some pickup inaccuracies. I'd be grateful for any feedback you might have or points of disagreement. I'm prepared to defer to you on this stuff, I just don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.Camera123456 (talk) 02:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Love Systems
Hi Mathmo,

It seems like all the community pages are under attack. Unfortunately, Love Systems is another one and has been deleted by the admin User:Spartaz. He wants someone else to get the page up by putting it through DRV. Could you do that? Thanks. Coaster7 (talk) 20:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Dodgey sourcing for dodgeball
Hi Mathmo. I dug up some sources for the List of dodgeball variations article. I listed them at the AfD, but haven't had a chance to fix up the article yet, but that's the next step. Could you have a look? Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:24, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks a lot for the work you did there, I've changed my vote but otherwise I don't have time right now to improve it. But thanks again! Mathmo Talk 00:59, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

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Deletion Review Help Needed
Would love your thoughts on this deletion review because I admire your "keep" statement on the "Higher Step Records" discussion on the proper deletion process and your approval of xxDanielxx's thoughts.

The original article in question was "speedy deleted" after being listed here on Wikipedia for over two years and having endured an AfD before. The admin in question deleted links from the original article then used his "speedy delete" powers to delete it. When questioned, the article went before a 2nd AfD, at which time the admin in question allowed the article to be judged, sans his link deletion of credible sources from the original state of the article. When the sources were added during the 2nd AfD, the admin would delete them and eventually block them, including a link to a page here on Wikipedia where the notability of the person (article in question) was clearly established by the University of Texas, San Antonio. You appear very knowledgeable in these matters and do not appear to be the type described in this article, and because of this, we request your help in overturning an improper deletion. Thank you for your time. --72.191.15.133 (talk) 18:35, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm starting to look in to this, but I'll first of all mention that being listed on the wikipedia page for the university as notable does mean next to nothing as it is on this wiki where anybody could have added it. Mathmo Talk 14:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I can assure you the name was on the University's Wiki entry a long time ago by them.  The only thing that changed was the fact that they were pointing their reference to the Wiki address for Rolando Gomez and I changed it since that page no longer exists.  The history edits will verify this.  Thanks again! --72.191.15.133 (talk) 20:06, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * doesn't really matter who added, as it is self referencing. I could have added it, or anybody else, without really looking in detail at the article but just added it in as it is one of the biographical articles linking to the uni article. There isn't really a second round of serious notability assessment for the wiki link to included on another article, thus in no way whatsoever does inclusion there over rule an AFD, or even influence it in any real way. Do you get what I'm saying? Anyway, I've made a relevant comment on the DRV. Mathmo Talk 00:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

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