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Ring! Ring! Goes The Bell
Ok people, you've played and I believe that now we can get back to work. MATIA 17:40, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi, I responded to your post on my page. Thanks, Friejose 18:25, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

WP:RPA
Howdy. What User:Susvolans did probably shouldn't be called vandalism, though I understand how you could interpret it that way. I'm sure you're aware that personal attacks aren't allowed on Wikipedia, and some Wikipedians actually take this a step further and remove personal attacks when they see them. How FYROM could be interpreted as an insult, I don't know – I have no knowledge of the Macedonia thing and just saw your back-and-forth with Susvolans in my watchlist – but I just thought you might like to be aware of this. Cheers. android 79  12:50, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

You can check my contributions and see if I 've ever attacked anyone personally. User Susvolans distorted my comment. The acronym FYROM is used by the UN, check google site:un.org +FYROM - it is obvious that my usage of that term (Greece and FYROM are negotiating on UN) cannot be considered as an insult. MATIA 13:23, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Rigas Feraios
Could you please use to tag articles for deletion. I don't see any valid reason to delete Rigos Ferreros, although, I'm going to do a little cleanup now. - Mgm|(talk) 10:13, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * First of all, he wasn't Spanish! :D Secondly, the existing article Rigas Feraios covers the topic exhaustively. It even has his name spelt correctly.--Theathenae 10:21, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I am very familiar with Rigas Feraios and I have never heard before the spelling Fereros. Perhaps Feraios or Fereos, but Fereros seems to be a problem in spelling. I am trying to find a public domain english translation of Thourios these days so that it could be included somewhere, but I haven't found any english translations yet. (copy from Mgm talk page) MATIA 10:23, 29 August 2005 (UTC)


 * The Rigas Feraios doesn't seem to cover the Megali idea which in turn doesn't seem to mention him. I think the content should be mentioned in other articles, after which the GFDL would require a redirect if this info was used to credit the original author. - Mgm|(talk) 10:27, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately you seem to have your facts all mixed-up, Mgm. The Megali Idea was a 19th century expansionist-imperialist ideology that called for the incorporation of all Greek populations of the Ottoman Empire into a greatly expanded Greek state.  Rigas Feraios' idea was nothing like that: he believed in a multiethnic federation of all Balkan peoples.  Therefore it is entirely logical that the Rigas Feraios article does not mention the Megali Idea, and vice versa.  The Rigos Ferreros article should be deleted, not merged.  Rigas Feraios was/is not called ... Rigos Ferreros in any language, therefore noone will be searching Wikipedia for this particular non-existent name.  It was obviously written by someone who got the spelling all wrong, like someone writing a silly little stub about "Church W. Booch" and then redirecting it to George W. Bush.  Chronographos 10:58, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It is not Mgm's fault. He just read Rigos Ferreros which you explained its problems better than me. MATIA 11:03, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I know it's not his fault. He is just trying to tidy things up, and it's a good thing that he asked. Chronographos 11:53, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Rigas Feraios lived long before the Megali Idea, when all the area was under Ottoman's rule. I don't think that the content of the wrong-spelled article has anything else that could be merged with Rigas Feraios. MATIA 10:46, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * So we've established they're not the same people and that Rigas had nothing to do with the Megali idea. But doesn't that mean Rigos can still be a real person instead of a misspelling who lived in a different time and did have something to do with it? I'll remove the merge request in the mean time. Sorry to drag this, but I want to get this all perfectly straight. - Mgm|(talk) 12:30, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * In a word, no Chronographos 14:16, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

I prefer your (Mgm's) long way eventhough this is a clear case. MATIA 14:17, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

OK
OK, you are probably right, let's stay cool. I won't be pressing the naming issue for at least a week. It would be a good thing for neutrals to get more involved in the debate, though.

Chronographos, I believe, is engaged in what Wikipedia calls stalking, and he'll probably see this comment, as well. He frequently engages in personal attacks against me, (including, other users, as well), which is something unbelievable for a person that claims to be working in a such a humane profession, such as psychiatry. I mean, it's one thing to disagree, it's another thing to name someone a totalitarian propagandist.
 * As you can see by merely glancing above, I contribute to and monitor this talk page since before you ever wrote here. So much for "stalking".  You keep referring to "personal attacks".  Feel free to collect them and call me to task in my talk page, whenever you have the time.  I will be more than happy to apologize for the ones that are, but I may stand by some that you may consider as such while I might view them as legitimate critique.  In Western societies, there is such a concept as "freedom of speech" you know.  As long as it does not deteriorate into libel, it is not only tolerated but encouraged as well, as it advances democratic discourse.  I will not respond to your jabs about my line of work, as I frankly think it's none of your business. Chronographos 09:30, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't support vandalism from either of the sides, of course. If Via Egnatia or whoever makes changes to disputed parts of an article, without rationally explaining them in the talk pages, should be banned, appropriately. --FlavrSavr 01:26, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

BTW, I plan to expand and edit articles relevant to my country, but I am not sure whether to wait for the naming dispute to be resolved (by neutral mediation) or not. I hope to convince Dori to do a joint reedit of the Albanians in the Republic of Macedonia (blatantly exposing only the Albanian POV, even at the expense of facts), as well as the Macedonian NLA (mostly neutral, but just a bit inclined to my country's POV, I did some edits that are more reflecting the Albanian POV). Also, I plan to make a new article concerning the 2001 war conflict, but again, only if I find an Albanian participating in it. I have some foreign artists and books to add, too. Best regards. --FlavrSavr 01:42, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Rigos Ferreros
Go ahead and tag it. I've tried Googling it and found absolutely nothing. - Mgm|(talk) 17:52, September 2, 2005 (UTC)