User talk:Matiasko

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Speedy deletion nomination of Atol (aircraft)


A tag has been placed on Atol (aircraft), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Business for more information.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Basa lisk inspect damage⁄berate 11:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Matiasko. I've reviewed the speedy deletion request and declined to delete on that basis, because the article didn't appear to be blatant spam. Unfortunately, the article may still have to be deleted. I noted on the talk page you stated that there weren't any reliable sources besides the manufacturer itself which cover this subject. If that is the case, it wouldn't pass our notability policies, and we couldn't accept an article on this particular subject. I've placed a proposed deletion notice on the article. You're welcome to remove that notice (and stop deletion through that process) if you still disagree that the article should be deleted, but if better sources don't exist, the article would likely be deleted by a community discussion.
 * It's a bit much to absorb at first, I know! If you're interested in aviation, I'm quite sure that WikiProject Aviation could help point you to some articles that could use some work, or planes that don't yet have articles but do have enough sourcing for one if you like doing that type of research. If you have more general questions about Wikipedia and editing, you're welcome to ask me, or ask at the editor assistance project. Hello and welcome! Seraphimblade Talk to me 00:53, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Atol (aircraft) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Atol (aircraft) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Atol (aircraft) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Basa lisk inspect damage⁄berate 10:34, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Reading suggestions
You seem to be confused over the standard needed for inclusion in wikipedia. Simple truth or existence is not enough (or I would write an article about my left thumb). Subjects of articles have to be notable. Please see WP:N. Also, I think you should look at WP:CIRCULAR. Basa lisk inspect damage⁄berate 12:01, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that mentionings of the atol on the Finnish aviation museums and Finnish flying associations websites fulfills the criteria of notable (unlike any body part you may or may not posess). It was my mistake for putting the wikipedia site as a reference, but I remind you of my "newbieness" as a wikipedia author.

And is there any reason to be so hasty with the deletion of my article? I was going to add some aviation literary as reference in a few days, but this deletion farse has forced me to find any internet references I could find. Matiasko (talk) 13:27, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * What kind of literary references are there? If you can give me a few pointers, I might be able to help you find them on Google Books. It's certainly never our wish to delete an article that actually can be sourced well, but generally speaking, primary sources (like the manufacturer's website) or directory entries (like lists of technical specs) aren't enough to sustain a full article on a subject. In a few days would be just fine as well, deletion discussions run for a minimum of one week. Seraphimblade Talk to me 16:12, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I actually happen to own a few books that could be used as a reference and I've just added two of them as a source to the article. So no need to search Google Books, but thanks anyway. Matiasko (talk) 07:35, 10 June 2012 (UTC)