User talk:Matilda/Archive13

Afghan (Australia)
Afghan (Australia) is about a historical group of people who aren't even necessarily from Afghanistan. A separate article needs to be created for modern Afghan Australians. --Ptcamn (talk) 22:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This article is not about an ethnic group in the same way that the other articles under discussion are, so it doesn't fit into that naming pattern. What you're suggesting is redefining the article's scope in order to justify changing its name. There's no need for either. --Ptcamn (talk) 22:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Heheh
The first time anybody has seen or first time as long as i can remember has acknowledged that on the talk page of mine - for that I'll look a little closer now that am 3 :) (yrs on that is) SatuSuro 07:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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Hungarian
Wot no hungarians? There lies the problem that I have with numerics alone - no hungarians on the ethnic template - yet - SatuSuro 01:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

reverted self - unnecessary details and info have started tagging the categories chaotically SatuSuro 03:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:John Howard
I changed "Rudd" in your comment to "Ruddock" as follows: "Itis not clear to me whether these changes were to do with Howard's views or Ruddock's views or another's views or even Cabinet views" I hope this is okay. --Surturz (talk) 02:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Stalemate?
I share your disappointment that the RfM did not proceed. I do not see edit warring going on though. I am actually very impressed with the conduct on the talk page (and of article edits) of those editors who are still around discussing the issues. While the conversation does not feel as though it is progressing very fast I believe it is progressing. I seriously do believe that some of the way out is to have an article on the Howard Government and for some of the comments that people seek to include in the Howard article to be included in the more relevant articles on the topic - eg Immigration to Australia. Regards --Matilda talk 21:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not so optimistic about the present talk page situation. The current truce is purely because the "inclusionists" were not prepared to edit war more than the "exclusionists". If the content was re-inserted, for example the full Obama quote, then the edit war would be on again for young and old. This is not to say that either version of the content is correct or incorrect. But the process was decided by edit waring. It was not decided by community consensus, which disenfranchises many editors. You may have noticed that most of the people originally debating in favour of inclusion have now walked away. The aim should be to abide by a community consensus, which the RfM would have achieved. For example, if we abide by consensus, in the future there will be new content and new controversies and issues cropping up that we have an opinion about, and sometimes the community consensus will be aligned to what we personally think, and sometimes it won't. We will win some, and then we will lose some content disputes. But for the past 2 years, the political content surrounding John Howard in particular, and things related to John Howard policy, has been characterised by edit waring, not consensus. Regards,  Lester  22:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I personally find your comment decided by edit waring, which is a completely unacceptable situation. I'm fed up with the censorship that's been going on, and rogue editors who would prefer to fight it out in a deletion war, like dogs over a scrap of meat, than to put it through the proper community process to gain consensus insulting. I do not like being accused of edit warring.  I don't believe it is a practice I engage in.  I am not engaged in a deletion war.  I am prepared to engage in community processes and I ma prepared to discuss on the talk page for as long as it takes.  So are quite a lot of others.  Your comments are tedious and ill-judged as well as being insulting.Matilda talk 04:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Please point me to To generalise, some editors feel it is fine to resolve content disputes by deleting newly added and referenced content seconds after it was added.--Matilda talk 01:03, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Matilda. I'm not sure what you mean by "point me to". Do you mean "show me examples of where this rapid deleting has occurred"? I thought it was common knowledge that for the past couple of years or so the Howard article (and related articles) have been subject to rapid repeated deleting of newly added content. Did you want to be pointed to the History of the article where this has occurred? I'm also not referring to you in regards to deletions or incivility, and will point that out publicly on the article discussion page if you wish.  Lester  01:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd call these edits from the past day uncivil: #1, #2, #3. However in hindsight, after reading your post I agree with you that it was probably a pointless exercise to call for a behaviour change on the article talk page. The problems have been going on for years, and I guess the failure of the RfM concentrated my frustration by destroying a means to end it. The incivility continues. The Obama dispute has not been resolved, as we know the present state has only been reached by rapidly reverting the opposition. If any editor goes in and reverts the Obama content back to its original longer form, then we both know the rapid revert war would begin again. I've had enough of it. I look back though the contribution history of the article and see so many editors who were past involved in the article, who no longer go there. The reason given is because of the raging disputes. Even editors who were actively participating 3 weeks ago are staying away 'cause they think the issue may explode at any time and don't want to be associated. Also interesting that some of the main revert and incivility participants are now lying low for some reason. I think it's necessary for the article conduct to change before the article is open for everyone to participate in content changes. My belief is that things desperately need to change regarding conduct at the JH article. I have failed to solve anything with RfC. I have failed 3 times with RfM. I was silly today to think I could achieve an agreement to stop the incivility and rapid reverts. So the conduct situation is like a big elephant in the room that is too big to sweep under the carpet and pretend it's not there. What do you think? Do you think things need to change? How do you think all this can be resolved?-- Lester  01:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Macedonians in Australia
hi, thats alright i will add citations there is a very good book Peter Hill- The Macedonians in Australia which i have a copy of and it gives a lot of information on the minority. If you could find out any other sources about macedonians in australia could you please let me know? Thanx. PMK1 (talk) 22:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * hi again, if you noticed i have been adding more information to the article. I have many personal sources eg. Street Directories, Books, Pamphlets etc. all from the community which i will be using on the article. If you know anything please add you information. Also if the page is badly layed out feel free to Make the layout better. Thanks again. PMK1 (talk) 08:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thats cool. With the List is it alrite if i reinsert it but put it into prose or something when i get around to it? Also with the churches is a problem if they are mentioned another way? ie. The Macedonian Churches in Australia are; MPCO- Раѓање на Пресветла Богородица/ Nativity of the Holy Mother of God of Sydenham, MPCO- Свети Пророк Илија/ Saint Prophet Ilija, MPCO- Свети Никола/ Saint Nikola of Preston, etc?. IF not just another way which would not conflict with the WP:NOTDIR. Also the same with the KUD's, some ideas in their inclusion. I believe that because they are involved with the community the should be mentioned.? get back to me thanx. PMK1 (talk) 06:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright thats fine. If you find the book yourself it is an interesting read :). as for the churches, is it alright if put info about say the Macedonian Cathedral and Monasteries in Australia as they would be more significant than just your average church if thats alright? PMK1 (talk) 12:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
My feelings are so strong about the issue that I prefer to let others see first - I think its a serious issue that eats away at the credibility of wikipedia when geographically challenged american teenagers tend to see the whole world in terms of their us centrism and their culture as if it is a universal given. Thanks again - sorry havent finished the cat tagging yet but it is happening SatuSuro 02:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ...and thank you as well for the friendly advice - you are 100% correct on the minor edits and I apologise - it's a nervous habit I've developed on another wikipedia where I do a lot of editing. On the matter of where one is directed for personal  tête-à-têtes , it is extremely common right across all the wiki projects.  I am a bureaucrat on another wikipedia, and as a consequence, I spend most of my time there, so I encourage wikipedians to leave messages there for me.  The universal sign-in will eventually get rid of the problem to which you allude (I think).  Kind regards.  πιππίνυ δ -  (dica)  05:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

McEwen
Hi - could you, as a third party, also please warn Ben1111au not to persist in reverting without any reason? Thanks. Timeshift (talk) 11:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)



Sorry about deleting the thing in the election pendulum: I got my facts muddled :-( John Wormell (talk) 09:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

You can never have too many refs
Please re-insert. Timeshift (talk) 04:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Only make links that are relevant to the context, and the link is relevant. I await a reason for removing it. I do not believe the article is over-referenced, I believe it is a good article suffering from good referencing. If you believe it is over-referenced I suggest you say so on the talk page. And the Chinese name doesn't bother me. Timeshift (talk) 04:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It is over the Rudd page, so I suggest the Rudd talk page. Timeshift (talk) 04:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * So those who regularly edit the article will know about it, how? Timeshift (talk) 04:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I now need you more than ever...
Hi Matilda, yes, I'm a lazy bugger and one not to be trusted, but I do need your help at the moment, or at least your advice. It actually relates back to something I said above about unifying log-ins across wiki projects. I've just done that, but by some quirk of history, in en.wiki I am User:Pippu d'angelo, whereas everywhere else I am "Pippu d'Angelo" (with a capital "A"). I reserved that name a while back (User:Pippu d'Angelo), it currently links to my small "a" name. I understand that there is a way to shift everything from my old name to my preferred name, are you able to do that for me? If you can help me I will be forever indebted to you, will follow your every instruction, and for starters, I'll throw myself into the bearpit... Thanking you in anticipation. πιππίνυ δ - (dica)  03:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * All fixed - thanks for your initial advice - does this mean I now have to enter the bearpit? πιππίνυ δ -  (dica)  00:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Murrumbidgee River is new ACOTF
Murrumbidgee River has been selected as the new Australian collaboration. You supported this article's nomination, so please help to improve it in any way you can. Thanks! If your wikibreak coincides with this announcement, enjoy the break. --Scott Davis Talk 07:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * P.S. sorry about all the edits to your page, this template has been messing up so I now have to go and fix it, but well done!  Taifarious1 08:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Template:Infobox_Ethnic_group
Your recent edit to the template has created some malfunctions. Could you check? Thanks.Xasha (talk) 23:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

In Moldovans, there's something like "style="background:#fee8ab;" style="background:#fee8ab;". I think to correct that you have to put the | instead of | inside the if statements you added.Xasha (talk) 23:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

There's another one at | Languages, that should be | Languages and same at religions. Xasha (talk) 23:53, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, but I think you missed to change also the ones before Languages and Religions, as shown in my previous message. No problem, we're here to build an encyclopedia and people should work together whenever a problem arises.Xasha (talk) 00:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

ARIA Winners
Interesting question - the reason I deleted the category from Kevin Bloody Wilson's album Kev's Back (The Return of the Yobbo) was because when I had a look at the category the were no other albums listed as ARIA Award winners only the performing artist (BTW am a KBW fan). When you look at the ARIA website it is clear that the artist is awarded the award not the body of work - there is potentially an arguement then for the creation of a separate category of ARIA Award winning work, to go with the category of ARIA Award winners similar to the way the Grammy Award categories are structured - though that still means a fair bit of work for someone.... (if you were interested)Dan arndt (talk) 08:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Edits
Sorry about that. I didn't notice. Thank you for telling me. =)Mcelite (talk) 23:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar!
Hi Matilda. This may be premature but the article looks safe to me now. It is now sourced, well written and clearly more that a dicdef. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 00:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey perhaps it's just another wigwam in a goose's bridle for me to comment here :) but I add my congratulations on a great save.-- VS talk

You have mail.
I've just sent you an email about something. Bidgee (talk) 01:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Just as well it wasn't about nothing. Orderinchaos 11:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Newest Cabal
Having investigated this situation more fully it seems that the three of you Mattinbgn, Longhair and Matilda belong to your own cabal now - all apparently having been informed by your grandmother (or similar) to mind your own business in this way. Unfortunately, as I have never been told to mind my own business by anyone (let alone my grandparents) I am unable to join up (*said with fingers crossed behind my back*). However I wish you all well. :) -- VS talk 01:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Edelsten
did you check p.18 of ? Edelsten threatens legal action?! Michellecrisp (talk) 06:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * as I said to someone else, maybe his lawyers can leave a message on your talk page! Michellecrisp (talk) 06:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks Michellecrisp (talk) 06:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Fair crack of the whip
Cripes blarn me hide there's a bloody useless amount of drivel on wikipedia and they carnt even put enough bloody oz trylian idiot idomatic expwessions from our great man barry leslie patterson in the oz strylian english section - garrn its all spittle vitriol and naysaying - the sooner the collected words of sir les and his great friend daggy mate barry's collected works are on the thing verbatim dr strangelove peter sellers ghost will be quivering with rage, pass me the vaseline before i chunder SatuSuro 07:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC) This is a very strange way of saying thanks for saving an idiomatic oz phrase from an untimely pssing :) SatuSuro 07:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You're a bloody crack up SS.-- VS talk 07:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The pantheon of derivative and invented phraseology of the full humphries clan of creations would create a potential project as useful, informative and revealing as the resurrected monty python project :P SatuSuro 07:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

OK you have pointed me to a trip to wiki-icktionary some time - there are some websites without adequate etymological history - my copy of baker is hiding somehwere in the next room - just when i was trying to get into some demog tagging again - sigh - too many threads - not enough time :( SatuSuro 07:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

African Australian / maps
My bad - should have been in the singular. On another matter I have some GIS software with 2006 Census data and have compiled a map of Macedonians in Sydney (see Macedonian Australian). I will give it some further thoughts before making more maps...Kransky (talk) 10:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

team high road
thank you matilda for sending me the message, i appreciate where you are coming from, and i will always try to keep your advice in mind when i am contributing to wikipedia. both messages will prove to be very helpfull to me and my future as a wikipedian. i do have great interest, in disambiguating many of the team's past (t-mobile, telekom) from its present and future (high road, columbia), and in all honesty, it looks hard to do, but i assure its neccesary and from a nuetral point of view, i have no aspirations of affecting content, just its layout, as the current form is very negative and hurtful to the organization's future. i am simply trying to make the page not hurt the team, i am not trying to advance high road's goals. this is not an attempt to run away from the past, as it is dealt with every day, it should still be documented, but it just shouldnt be more prominent and overwhelming than what is happening with the team today. if you could help me with this beyond linking to the disambiguation page, i would be very grateful. and again, if i am out of line in my thinking, feel free to correct me once more, Have a nice day! and i look forward to you keeping me in-line down the road :) now for the signing part, here it goes! Sean Stapleton(talk) 2:48 16 june 2008(UTC)

Woodford Primary School
Thanks :-) -- Mattinbgn\talk 01:05, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Edelsten
I'm aware of trolling. But I think we all find the responses amusing, although I note the tone of the recent message has changed. To think that we editors are extremely naive about this co-ordinated attempt! Michellecrisp (talk) 02:06, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Minor edit marking
okidoki... i just have a different idea of minor. I've always used it except when I added at least 5 lines of meaningful text. Was not intentional to cause discomfort. --Pelotas talk 03:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

hello
hi, i was wondering if you had any comments to the additions i have made on Macedonian Australians. I have added most of NSW and SA. I have asked User:BalkanFever if he can help with the Melbourne section. I will do quueensland and shepparton becuase they are easiest, but the melbourne and W.A will be extensive. What are your comments? PMK1 (talk) 10:27, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Moscow State Circus
In the Moscow State Circus article, there was some information included about the travelling show within the UK and I saw that you had removed it and changed it to say that it was the Permanent Circus in Russia. I can assure you that this article is for the touring circus in the UK. As far as I believe, all information is relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeyness (talk • contribs) 21:46, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No - this is an international encyclopaedia - the primary meaning of Moscow State Circus deals with the circus in Moscow. The article currently mentions the British circus and is referenced.  Do not remove referenced material again.  Have some international perspective  before making an edit.  Don't include trivia - note WP:NOT applies for example to lists of performers. --Matilda talk 23:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Please do not bite the newcomers. Thanks « D. Trebbien ( talk ) 01:56 2008 June 19 (UTC)

euc hazards
almost a sep art imho - the issue of some species being more dangerous than others and the 'self pruning' thing can be found in some forests more than another and corhymbia citriodora is specificaly identified in some states as to not be grown near houses - more really cos of the sheer weight when they come down - had a huge one at last house - but i think there needs to be a spec biota ref re the issues rather than the acidents - ie from a botanist etc - if i ever find one will try to start a stub if i can sneak it pass the biota 'gate keepers' :) SatuSuro 00:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

No myth - there are RS re specific species being hazardous - it will take time to track em down and i aint gonna oggle that either :) SatuSuro 02:35, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:Latino Australians
Hello. Yeah, I m still in process of tagging for the nomination - it ll be up in the next half day or so Mayumashu (talk) 20:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Afro-Australian
Matilda,

you deleted: 20:23, 26 May 2008 Matilda (Talk | contribs) deleted "Afro-Australian" ‎ (POV fork)

And it is protected from recreation now.

Whatever it was, please notice there is "African Australian" page. Please consider redirecting Mukadderat (talk) 00:28, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I have no opinion on the subject. I merely noticed two very similar words with very different status in wikipedia. I am somewhat surprized on the state of the affairs on the issue, but if some people have strong opinions, I have no say. Mukadderat (talk) 00:48, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Since you exhibited knowledge of the issue, I would also suggest you to review the disambig page Black Australians for validity. For example the article Māori does not mention that they are called "Black Australians", therefore I don't believe this term belongs to be listed in this disambig page. Mukadderat (talk) 00:56, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

?
My watchlist has cats that i have tagged for oz immig proj is littered with re-titles - are you in support? please feel free to email if its contentious :( - otherwise it looks like a total rename of all those cats ? SatuSuro 01:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC) I used to tremble at the invisbility of cat police a la grtness in the past when decisions were made inside cardboard bxes the other side of the universe - intrusive changes i find have the finesse of D6 cats trying window box gardening - someone ought to set a up an interproject project - in other words a project specifcially that gives guidelines to eds from one project about to intrude on another's domain - there should be a whole set of guideliens as to how to wander into other domains with a particular procedure - i have tried to do this at the indonesia project by alerting stub and cat enroachers to go to the notieceboard first - the simplest of courtesies would make intrusions so much more understandable - and hey i even stopped bhadani at the gates of the indonesian project! in some peoples eyes thats davids slingshot on the giant :) SatuSuro 01:24, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

apologies
got to get warm - the dying in a ditch stuff has me bamboozled will need to get back to it later in day SatuSuro 02:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Booian-Fooians vs. Fooians of Booian descent
Matilda, are you in favour of a two-tier system, one Booian-Fooians and another Fooians of Booian descent? this would result in just as much 'broadness', which I though was your main argument against the rename, and arbitrariness in determing who is B-F and who is F of B d. It seems clear to me that 1/2 ethnicity may or may not be considered a reason to describe on as Booian-Fooian, as one who is 100% Booian ancestry but a third or fourth generation Fooian Mayumashu (talk) 03:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Anon IP edit to Riverina
Hi, I think the IP was talking about Chris Mortimer, Peter Mortimer and Steve Mortimer (Mortimer brothers). Bidgee (talk) 23:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. List of sporting people from the Riverina could become long (Hate to think what a list for Wagga would be like :| ) Bidgee (talk) 00:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Tirari Desert is new ACOTF
Hi. You voted for Tirari Desert as an Australian collaboration. It has been selected, so I created a tiny stub article. Please help to improve it in any way you can. Thanks. --Scott Davis Talk 12:11, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

IBRA - doh! I was trying last night to find that- and you got it! excellent - theres almost a whole project picking up from hesp and interlinking that to arts, as well as the marine 3 dimensional stuff :(  SatuSuro 21:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

My copy of version 6 is still a pdf - might print it off later today if i have the paper :) SatuSuro 03:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Reliable Sources
Here is the relevant wikipedia policy concerning "opinion pages" from newspapers in WP:RS

"Material from mainstream news organizations is welcomed, particularly the high-quality end of the market, such as the The Washington Post, The Times of London, and The Associated Press. However, great care must be taken to distinguish news reporting from opinion pieces. Opinion pieces are only reliable for statements as to the opinion of their authors, not for statements of fact. When citing opinion pieces from newspapers or other mainstream news sources, in-text attribution should be given. When adding contentious biographical material about living persons that relies upon news organizations, only material from high-quality news organizations should be used."

The immigration statistics you are looking for need to be sourced from elsewhere. c.Marsh b.Lillee (talk) 22:00, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I cannot help it - out for a WP:DUCK ! :0 SatuSuro 00:56, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Article for Deletion
The WebTrain article was updated with additional major 3rd party references since you voted for the keep (CBC, BNet, stc.org, etc). Am considering eliminating the impact section, it's difficult to find reliable 3rd party references of such. Just a FYI and thanks for your comments. GaryECampbell (talk) 07:17, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The AfD passed, thank you. I created a categorized list of a few hundred references on my talk page that should be helpful when editing the article. GaryECampbell (talk) 07:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Your help is appreciated - its not that I dont have a sense of general sense of equanimity and general condolences to fellower sufferers (37 months on this damned train - where's the next station) - but for some reason it is .... well I cannot rationally explain the irritation. So thanks SatuSuro 00:59, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Now
That is my style of message - I think the average non involved would not know where we are - rejkyavik (Icelanders do have cricket) - and yet we know where we are (Mundrabilla anyone?) - and yes what a relief that has been resolved :| SatuSuro 01:14, 26 June 2008 (UTC) As for the edit summary for the birthday mob - spot on - not denial - thats a river in egypt SatuSuro 01:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

WebTrain
Hi, while I am unsure about all the particulars, I just wanted to let you know that a certain user within the deletion discussion likes to toss around "rules" about reliable sources on anything without any knowledge of the subject matter at hand. So you may wish to take those remarks with a grain of salt, or just ignore them. shadzar-talk 06:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd like to comment on how i've noticed that there seems to be a little "overzealous quest" of some editors to pervent WebTrain from having an article. I do understand how the first article on WebTrain was very advertisement like. I did not have anything to do with the old article. Now that the new article has been produced, re-written, and reworded, its clearly worthy. There are quiet a few indipendet citations made to claim the importance of the company. One of the unwritten rules of Wikipedia is you dont make an article about yourself, or your company. I'm note worthy, i've could rustle up a few articles about my photography and video work, but i'm not going to make an article about myself. If someone else reads about me and desides to do so, I'm not going to argue, and I may even contribute. -- not that i'm saying I want an article about me, just useing an example. When you make an article for you, your company, or someting like that, you're automatically opening yourself up to arguements. Thats why I reposted that article, instead of the founder [?] [I believe hes the founder of the company]. I also reworded it a bit. You really [not you as in Matilda, you as in editors] have to watch it when you're attacking what should have an article or not. This is an encyclopedia, its suppost to include just about everything. Cindy Flynn (talk) 07:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. The article passed AfD. I've posted an categorized list of references (extensive) on my talk page, it should make editing the article easier.  GaryECampbell (talk) 08:08, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:ATI
You said that a redlink went blue [that sounds like the matrix..] on you're edit summery page. Dare I ask, why was ATI on you're edit summery page? Or do you mean the admin edit summery page? Where you planning to use WP:ATI for something? Cindy Flynn (talk) 07:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Overzealousness is tough - But what about under the Radar ?
Hi Matila. Yes, a pound of flesh was taken to get my article published, your assistance provided the time I needed to prove the WebTrain article was worthy of appearing on Wikipedia. During the process, it also helped me understand the importance of policies related to creating a new article. Thank you again for your involvement, besides, the blood loss was minimal and I needed to lose a few pounds - haha. Anyway, opposite of my experience is that others are taking great liberties to the point of abuse. A recent article related to my space is (in my opinion) misleading, biast, COI to the point of lying. The article was published in the context of being a comparison matrix, in reality, it is spam advertising. If you have a few minutes, please read my post at User_talk:EdJohnston - "Comparison Matrix Jibberish". Please note I am not objecting to the concept of what the article "pretends" to be. I cannot (nor would) not object to a matrix which provides factual, researched content. I am also disappointed that my references and expert contributions to the web conferencing article were deleted by these turkeys (unintentional?) - truly - GaryECampbell (talk) 00:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

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Photo
Kim Carr owns the photo, he was not the photographer but all rights were relinquished to Kim Carr as the owner. The photographer does not need to be attributed. Please restore the photo and caption.Feadering (talk) 00:03, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

G'day I have just read the copyright disclaimer at the bottom of the referenced image. Turns out that there was no need for a creative commons license after all as the copyright disclaimer releases it for public reproduction. see below. The material contained on this website constitutes Commonwealth copyright and is intended for your general use and information. You may download, display, print and reproduce this material in unaltered form only (retaining this notice, and any headers and footers) for your personal, non-commercial use or use within your organisation. You may distribute any copies of downloaded material in unaltered, complete form only (retaining this notice, and any headers and footers). Apart from permitted uses under the Copyright Act 1968, all other rights are reserved.

As the website is referenced i see no problem with copyright. Please restore.Feadering (talk) 00:56, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

No, the image isn't fine, it was used because it was free. This image is far better but the problem was permissions, which have now been rectified. I'm still not sure exactly on what grounds you are disputing it. Who says the author's name needs to be given on a cc-by-2.5 license? Are you arbitrarily making such changes and demands? Timeshift (talk) 01:00, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

The constitution can be found at http://www.comlaw.gov.au/comlaw/comlaw.nsf/sh/homepage if you are interestedFeadering (talk) 02:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

In legal speak the minister is the commonwealth of australia and he is able to release the photo.Feadering (talk) 01:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Good point! Matilda, I expect your revert very soon. Timeshift (talk) 01:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

1421 Thanks
for merging the 1421 hypothesis article into the book article and saving me the trouble and approbrium! Chris55 (talk) 20:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Laurenraz
She's an editor in good standing in that she's free to edit without any specific restrictions (i.e. she just has to follow the same policies and guidelines as everybody else). As such, I think it's inappropriate to have her tagged indefinitely as a suspected sock. If you disagree, though, I suggest that we fire this off to the administrator's noticeboard to get some other views. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 21:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right that checkusers mean different things by "possible" and "inconclusive", and I should have used clearer language. By "inconclusive" I just meant "not conclusive", which is a description that applies to a "possible" result.  Anyway, I've brought it to WP:AN, so hopefully it will be resolved swiftly there. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 21:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

removal of "random fact templates"
Hi, sorry about the tag removal (now restored). I couldn't see the basis for application until your explanation. Best wishes, WWGB (talk) 02:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Christianity WikiProject Newsletter - July 2008
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Lyall
Dear Matilda. Why are you proposing to delete Lyall Howard? It was previously proposed to be deleted and debated. The article hasn't been touched in yonks. What has changed? Prester John had made a derogatory remark which I removed a few seconds before your proposed deletion. I think it was fair enough to remove such comments. -- Lester  00:25, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Matilda. Not a personal dispute with you, but I'm going to remove the deletion tag, as I disagree with it. The AfD method would be the only appropriate way for it to be debated. Thanks, -- Lester  01:32, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sending me the message to let me know about it being listed again. -- Lester  04:57, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Matilda, the Lyall Howard article has been difficult. I believe an AfD gives around 5 days to improve the article, which is not much time. It's been doubly difficult due to the extraordinary events of Prester John's vandalism wasting everyone's time, time everyone could have spent on more useful activities. I don't understand the Copra reaction. I've got no idea why there are such strong feelings about removing Copra information. Personally, I don't think it reflects badly on John Howard's reputation. It's just an interesting part of the story, so the strong feelings are a complete mystery to me. I would have thought there were far greater issues that affect peoples' impressions of John Howard than the Copra one. If Lyall gets deleted, it strengthens the case for the copra info to be moved to the John Howard article, just as most other world leaders have articles with information about the financial position of the parents and family. I want to expand the Lyall article. Especially the war section, as there is a lot of information about that which is available from archives, but not on the net, because it was published before the internet era. I know there are old newspaper articles which feature a photograph of Lyall, though all are pre-internet, so it will take more effort to source them. Whilst trawling through articles, I did find that another Howard relative, John Chapman (minister of the church and Lyall's great grandfather) gets a bit of coverage in old articles, though I wouldn't dare start an article on him or it would likely suffer the same fate as Lyall. There's already another article about a modern day person by the same name -John Chapman (evangelist)- which serves as an example of a real example of a non-notable article. Cheers, -- Lester  00:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * As you saw, that other John Chapman article does not compare to Lyall Howard as far as notability goes. Wikipedia is overflowing with articles like John Chapman. Minor third rate journalists. Minor third rate sports people. These are the non-notables we really should be targeting, not Lyall Howard. Anyway, I must find time today to drop by a local library for more Lyall information. I am also aware of the existence of articles in the National Library in Canberra, and the State Library of NSW, but I start with the easiest sources first. -- Lester  00:34, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Kvacha‎
Thanks for that! With the blanking I'm now thinking that User:Kvacha‎ could be a possible sock puppet of User:Monica Rosu, User:Alexandra Georgiana Eremia which backs up this past edit from Kvacha‎. Do you know the page where I can request other checks such as IP's ect? Bidgee (talk) 04:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Scrublett
→  In re : user 

You were several steps ahead of me in reverting the removal of another user's posts from various talk pages. In this edit he added one, signing as User:Prester John. Before the 3 hour block has expired, note that this may be another for Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Prester John. — Athaenara ✉  01:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Prester John is back
Help. Prester John is back as. All Madingogo's reverts are articles that I've edited in the past. Urgent action required.-- Lester  04:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

User talk:207.47.96.26 seems to have made edits very similar to these sock puppets. Nunquam Dormio (talk) 19:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Another sock has appeared as . -- Lester  04:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * He's still at it, at the article, using an IP address.-- Lester  04:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, Putz removal going thru my contribs. Ie, indonesia, U2, and Oz politics related arts. It’s not as annoying as I’m sure he’d like to think, but talk about childish. I mean, really. How pointless can one get?


 * Thanks for your help! Regards (from the “putz”) --Merbabu (talk) 04:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I've reverted some of the edits. Also use which does this . Just makes it a little easyer to look at their edits. I've also informed . Bidgee (talk) 05:00, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Can we put a tag on and  so they appear in the category: Wikipedia sockpuppets of Prester John? -- Lester  20:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Matilda, for the information on how to tag sockpuppets. Those links on how to get help will be very useful. It's good to revert any vandalism as quickly as possible, as when other editors make unrelated contributions after the vandalism was made, it gets really messy to sort through it all to remove the vandalism. -- Lester  21:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi there. Given PJ seems to be obsessed with a certain set of pages, is there any way they could be protected from editing by newly created accounts but longer established editors could still edit them? I seem to remember coming across something like that before. Nunquam Dormio (talk) 08:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps i'm not WP:AGF but I think everyone is PJ lately. Timeshift (talk) 00:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Re Colbran, please use a colon rather than an asterisk when replying to a comment, asterisks should only be used to vote. Timeshift (talk) 06:52, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Timeshift (talk) 07:19, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, Prester John is moving amongst us. He's got lots of user names. He's logged on to view his watchlist. I think he's editing. Give it a bit of time and he'll be caught.-- Lester  07:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

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Islam in Australia
Noice work. Good to see editors spending time adding to articles, rather than fighting POV or vandalism. I too find it very rewarding when I make the effort to develop from sources, rather than reviewing other editors. ---Merbabu (talk) 05:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Lebanese Australian
Not a problem. Happy to help out. Cheers, WWGB (talk) 05:30, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Nonja peters
Did the big book on dutch presence in oz 400 years - teaches at curtin - she did stuff on the northam migrant camp (ie post 2ww) - if the acotf gets up - let me know ie remind me between thread 57896 and 59444 :) - and ill dig around for her stuff - also the hydro in tas and the snowy project would never have got anywhere without em - cheers SatuSuro 06:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm - give me the weeknd and the crazy weather to think about it - there is heaps on the snowy and hydro - and places like the northam camp - but hey - to do it properly is beyond my current edit style - i seem to be permanent project maintenance mode - havent done a good art in ages SatuSuro 06:39, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Gardening at 8 degrees c - nah unlikely SatuSuro 10:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks v good
Wow - I do have supporting refs - might take a few days to unlock them from captitivity tho - format is impressive SatuSuro 01:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Dutch born in Australia
How do we solve this? The COB data was gathered by using thisABS tool to generate Excel charts for different cities in Australia. By putting them together into one single chart I was able to identify which cities had the largest number of persons born in a certain country. As the ABS data has been referenced previously I do not see a reason to include a citation - otherwise we could refer to the URL of the ABS Census table generator. Kransky (talk) 09:56, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Howard Government is new ACOTF
Hi. You voted for Howard Government for Australian Collaboration of the fortnight. It was selected on Sunday, so please help to improve it if you can. Thanks for your support. --Scott Davis Talk 13:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops - I just realised you've already done the user talk page spam notices - thankyou :-) --Scott Davis Talk 14:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

press template
well done, i should have thought of that! Timeshift (talk) 23:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the Kim Carr image revert, I was getting sick of having to do it all the time. Timeshift (talk) 23:39, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

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Deletion
Can you restore this version by deleting the later reversions.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 01:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi I could deal with your request but it is a bit of a pain and I don't see why it needs to be done. You have reverted now to the previous version - why is that not sufficient? Unfortunately I have probably run out of time now and you will need to ask someone else to do it if you want it done today.  Hmmm I see OIC has done it for you. --Matilda talk 01:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I beg your pardon - why are you wasting people's time? Rather than remove old discussion  - perhaps you had better explain yourself - else think much more carefully next time before asking again.  You proposed to waste my time - you have consumed time and effort of OiC. --Matilda talk 01:48, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I requested its deletion because I wanted so and I wanted to clean up it. You could have easily deleted it, however if is you matter. The previous deletion request was a mistake.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 01:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Selective deletion is somewhat time consuming - especially when the request is phrased rather poorly. You have now requested deletion of the whole page (and I have actioned it).  That is quick and easy - your original request was not.--Matilda talk 01:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you please keep the discussion in one page, it prevents the discussion being fragmented. Mistakes happen sometimes. Sorry. I have learned from your suggestion.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 02:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)