User talk:Matthew.hartington

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 * And again. tgies 12:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * aaaaand yet again. tgies 12:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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Clouds
I know that this band exists and I will help you fight to keep their page. Debaser23 20:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I've cleared the page up a little bit. I will do some more later today when I get the time. Debaser23 09:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

reply to talk page comment
I don't edit or haven't edited the articles in question to any great extent. I simply follow-up that edits are neither vandalism nor shading of Wikipedia policies(which many of your edits did...some did not) Go to WP:POL and read all of WIkipedia's policies with regards to editing and content(pay particular attention to WP:NPOV, WP:CITE, WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:AWW and WP:EL) Your Clouds article survived AfD of which I am glad. It's an interesting little musical tidbit.(article needs renaming though...lose the CAPS) The band are worth name dropping into certain articles...such as the Crysalis article. But, for an example, adding them into the Ten Years After article as one of the other artists signed by Crysalis is "content taboo" or suprefluity. The Ten Years After article is about that band and that band only.(same rule goes for any "third party peacocking" in any articles for that matter) And the clouds external link belongs on the Clouds article only. Be careful wiki-linking...1-2-3 links to a Lotus spreadsheet. If you have any questions regarding Wikipedia Policies don't hesitate to ask. And if you notice any articles that you are working on are frequently vandalised...feel free to prompt me to add them to my wathchlist and I will try to protect them. The bulk of my 18000+ edits on Wikipedia are vandalism reverts. Cheers and take care! Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 11:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The article re-name will just create a bunch of "re-direct" links in the articles it appears in. They will still find their way cack to the main article. While in the Clouds article you can use the "What links here" link in your left menu to see all the articles that the Clouds link is used in and, over time, go in and correct them. You can use the AWB bot to change them all at once but that is for more experienced editors.(Good time to look it up though....familiarise yourself with it) Cheers, take care and Seasons Greetings! Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 12:21, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

WP vacations
Hi Matthew,

I read your kind comments in talk Turin Shroud.

I’m overwhelmed in real-life work and may leave Wikipedia for a little while. I’ll come back but I just wanted to let you know.

--Cesar Tort 20:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

CLOUDS
Unfortuanately "Clouds", understandably, already has an article. We usually chose an alternate name like Clouds (band) or something similar... what would you like it to be named? ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 23:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, moved. Mind fixing the links to old page? You can see the list here. Thanks! ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 06:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem! Let me know if you need anything else. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 06:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

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I tried to summarize way too much in one little post:) WP:FOOT has a more complete instruction. ---J.S  (T/C/WRE) 19:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Matthew, you may have noticed the dialogue going on about 1-2-3. It's now urgent that some of 1-2-3's music be heard by doubting Thomas, and that other apostle, Mark (certified). Can you do anything about getting that live Marquee track? And perhaps the 'virtual' CD it comes from? Thanks DaveEx 11:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Message received and understood Dave. I have a copy of the live Marquee track, and one or two of the others. Will pass them on to Mark via his email address. And thanks for your efforts once again! Matthew.hartington 12:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Uploading non-free images
The copyright situation is a nightmare and an utter minefield. What you cannot do is upload an image as your own work unless you were the original photographer or graphic artist. If you are in contact with the original photographer or graphic artist they can give permission for publication via an email. The same is true with regards to photographing something off the TV ... you still cannot claim it as your own work.

I have recently been toying with the idea of emailing Billy to see if he or Agnes have any previously unpublished photos of the band taken at the time that they could release with an email of permission. 21st CENTURY  GREENSTUFF 12:46, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I have had some success in compiling 'Non free rationales' to get images to stick on wiki in the past. Where did that latest image you uploaded come from? What is the source and history of the picture? It may be possible to come up with a form of words that will work. 21st CENTURY  GREENSTUFF 12:54, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Here is a recent example of a non-free image I have uploaded recently and the sort of words you need to use File:Wem logo.gif. Give me all the information you have on the Clouds piccy and I will try and do something similar. 21st CENTURY  GREENSTUFF 13:02, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, can you reply here so we can keep the conversation in one place instead of bouncing back and fore between talk pages - it is easier to follow. Lets not knee-jerk into abandoning the current image, until we are able to find anything better I feel we should try and hang on to this one. All I really need to know is if the photo appears anywhere on the web (and its URL address) ... I think I can come up with the words that will rescue it from deletion pretty quickly.

I had noticed your myriad of tiny edits that were difficult to follow. What I usually do when faced with a major page rewrite is to go to 'edit thus page', copy and paste everything to an MS Word doc on my laptop and edit away to my heart's content ... only copying and pasting it back when I am happy with it ... ergo it is all done in a single wiki edit.

Yes I did know the band well back in 1968/69 and my band supported Clouds several times, the lads lodged at my mother's B&B whenever they were in Wales - and we slept on the floor at Billy and Agnes's London flat when we were gigging in the capital. I only re-established contact with Billy a couple of years back while working on my autobiography. It is strange striking up a relationship with an old friend and drinking buddy after a 40 year hiatus. They were a magnificent musical band and great pals back then - their lack of long term success in the industry is probably the greatest travesty I can recall from those magical days.

Let's get this image rescued rapido. 21st CENTURY  GREENSTUFF 15:23, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Fascinating stuff; I'm jealous of the fact that a) you know Billy Ritchie and the band and b) you actually played on the same stage! What was the name of your band? You must have been quite successful yourselves. It's true what you say about the unfairness, though I think in recent times the band has got a lot of credit for the influence they had. You probably know a lot of inside information that isn't generally known. Your contact with Billy is valuable too. I take it that "Agnes" is his partner?

Yes, sorry about the string of edits, it was amateurish of me; good advice about cut and paste, my only excuse is I was so paranoid about messing up the citations that I kept making omissions in the edits and didn't think to do it all away from the wiki pages.

I've sent James a message asking for more details about the image and will get that info to you asap. Thank you so much Matthew.hartington (talk) 17:08, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * My band was only ever moderately 'successful' but we shared bills with most of the 1960s/70s greats ... the hint to our level of success is that we slept on Billy's floor when overnighting in London. Agnes was Billy's wife at the time (dab hand at mounds of bacon butties for breakfast) but they divorced years ago (although remain on good terms). What inside information I have will have to remain that from a wiki point of view as there would not be any citations or references for it. <b style="font-family:arial; color:green;">21st CENTURY</b> <b style="font-family:arial; color:green;"> GREENSTUFF</b> 17:17, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Your band must still have been a good standard to appear on those bills. Of course I respect your private relationship with Billy and Agnes, but it must be fascinating stuff. And you must be someone he trusts, for what I gather about him is that he doesnt trust many, especially in the music business. I have met Ian Ellis once briefly.

I obviously got very lucky when it was you who spotted my dodgy editing! Matthew.hartington (talk) 17:49, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I have replaced the image with a new version that should comply and stick. Go ahead and delete your original from commons <b style="font-family:arial; color:green;">21st CENTURY</b> <b style="font-family:arial; color:green;"> GREENSTUFF</b> 15:06, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for doing all that, that's great. Matthew.hartington (talk) 15:25, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Billy Ritchie
Just a thought, but given his long term influence on other keyboardists don't you think that Billy deserves an article of his own as well? <b style="font-family:arial; color:green;">21st CENTURY</b> <b style="font-family:arial; color:green;"> GREENSTUFF</b> 15:14, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

I never really thought about it, but you're right - Aren't you the best person to do it? For a start, you know Billy Ritchie and you lived the history alongside him, and for another, you know what you're doing (unlike someone I could mention!)Matthew.hartington (talk) 15:25, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

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 * Sorry, you're right of course. I've been missing one tildes when I've 'signed'. Apologies for sloppy editing.Matthew.hartington (talk) 20:16, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Bowie Re Hendrix
Hi, just to let you know I replied on my talk page. Dickdock (talk) 21:22, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Ditto. Dickdock (talk) 00:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, just to let you know I'm a bit busy at the moment and will reply properly tomorrow (probably), cheers! Dickdock (talk) 12:28, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Responded! Dickdock (talk) 13:45, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

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