User talk:MatthewFrostWorld

July 2022
Hello, I'm Kpddg. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions&#32;to John_Hemmingham have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. Kpddg  (talk)  16:29, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


 * What contribution was that ? MatthewFrostWorld (talk) 16:31, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This edit. Kpddg  (talk)  10:33, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 'Did not appear constructive'? As taken from the 'about' on Wikipedia's main page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About ) "Wikipedia's purpose is to benefit readers by acting as a widely accessible and free encyclopedia that contains information on all branches of knowledge"
 * The Wikipedia page for John Hemmingham currently reads as if 'He' produced the song. If, as the website purports it 'contains information on all branches of knowledge' then I am struggling to see why the contribution I added isn't constructive? It gives the read further 'knowledge' on the history of the record/track and highlights who actually produced/wrote the record, Dan Bewick, Myself & Ricardo Da Force. John Hemmingham and the England Supporters Brass Band never came to the studio, we have never met them, yet we seem not allowed to tell the 'truth' about the record and the people really behind it?
 * With my 'edit' in there, anyone reading the page will now know the full information, and if wanted, they can then search up 'Dirty Rotten Scoundrels' to find out more 'information' about us and our music
 * I find that baffling, and await your response to this
 * Regards,
 * Matt Frost (Dirty Rotten Scoundrels) MatthewFrostWorld (talk) 08:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It was reverted because you did not provide a reliable source to back and verify your statements. And what do you mean by 'us'? Are you representing, a part of, or related to this organisation? If so, read WP:Conflict of Interest and follow the instructions accordingly. Kpddg  (talk)  11:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So from what you are saying, and the link you send ( Managing a conflict of interest ) someone 'involved' in the subject of the Wikipedia page, is not allowed to edit it, due to a 'conflict of interest'?
 * Here is your reliable source for the info regarding the England Supporters Band EURO 2000 track ( https://www.discogs.com/release/2112161-The-England-Supporters-Band-The-Great-Escape-2000 )
 * You will see on the 'credits' it states 'Producer Dan Bewick / Mat Frost' the latter person being myself. Also it states the vocalist (Rap) is Ricardo Lyte (Ricardo Da Force)
 * Here is the video for the track, on one of my YouTube channels, again to prove it was I, as it is the original video from the shoot, Ricardo Da Force is the guy in the video rapping/singing and it has the timecode etc at the beginning of the video proving it's originality
 * ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVDgtMGGuJA )
 * I hope all the above is sufficient for the changes to be allowed.
 * There are other wikipedia pages where I am missing from the info. I only know this, as I was the person involved, so only I would know I should be there and so to 'edit' the information so the larger public reading the pages will find this information out. If I can't edit it, due to a conflict of interest, then it will never be a real/true account on the page. MatthewFrostWorld (talk) 12:08, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You can propose these changes on the article talk page, provide required reliable sources, and implement it only when there is consensus. But kindly do not edit the article otherwise. Also note that Wikipedia considers discogs to be unreliable, and YouTube as well. Kpddg   (talk)  13:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello MatthewFrostWorld. Wikipedia demands that all facts/statements are verifiable by citing reliable sources, preferably those that are independent of the topic itself (meaning that the source has no personal, political or financial interest in the topic). Basically, if something cannot be verified by a reliable source, it cannot exist on Wikipedia.

A reliable source is defined as a source with an established reputation for fact-checking and editorial oversight. The person who writes a story is not the same person that authorizes its publication; this is done by an editor whose job it is to check their work before it is published. This heavily favours mainstream news organizations, academic press, and reputable publishers of newspapers, books and magazines. Note that sources can be in printed form (if properly cited) as well as online, and can also be languages other than English (although English-language sources are preferred).

This means that this disqualifies self-published sources that consist of user-generated content. Examples of this include social media (including YouTube), blogs, message forums and other wikis (including Wikipedia itself). Discogs is considered unreliable for this reason, so it can't be used. This page has a list of commonly-discussed sources for music topics, and evaluations of their reliability.

If there is no reliable source for the producer credits, then the information should be omitted until such time a reliable source is found. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:28, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Here is a link to the original CD cover and the inlay where 'ALL' CD's had the list of people who were responsible for the record/song/track.
 * You won't get a more 'reliable' source for the information you seem to require, than the inner card of the physically released CD.
 * Oh and I haven't used photoshop to put our names in there, it really was me/us/Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
 * https://www.45worlds.com/cdsingle/cd/vvr5014293#google_vignette MatthewFrostWorld (talk) 15:34, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * As per this discussion, even 45worlds is mostly unreliable... Kpddg  (talk)  13:15, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, MatthewFrostWorld. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the request edit template);
 * disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Conflict of interest);
 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Spam);
 * do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Kpddg  (talk)  11:20, 13 July 2022 (UTC)