User talk:Matthew hk/Archive 33

New Page Reviewer newsletter June 2020
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 * A proposed new speedy deletion criteria for certain kinds of redirects ended with no consensus.
 * Also ending with no change was a proposal to change how we handle certain kinds of vector images.

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Primary topic for Radisson Hotels?
Hi Matthew, I noticed that you've edited Radisson Hotels, and wanted to ask your opinion as to the primacy of the name. I improved content on the early history of the hotel in Minneapolis, and was struck by the degree to which newspaper hits for "Radisson" are almost entirely about the hotel, with close to a million hits, easily 99% being for the hotel. I am thinking of proposing either to move "Radisson Hotels" to "Radisson" (the chain is occasionally referred to without using the word "Hotels"), or to move the Radisson disambiguation page to a disambiguated title, and redirect the title to "Radisson Hotels". What do you think is the best option? BD2412 T 21:33, 23 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I think you need to start a discussion for this. Personally i would say Radisson Hotels the hotel chain should be the primary topic. Radisson Hotel Group the parent company has many former official name and common name (and own brand that not named after Radisson). While Radisson Blu, Radisson Red, Radisson Collection should not have an article at all as they are subbrand of Radisson hotel chain. Matthew hk (talk) 08:05, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Deportivo Maldonado (football) logo.png
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Category:People from Kiev Oblast has been nominated for renaming
Category:People from Kiev Oblast has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Starzoner (talk) 00:48, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Today's Wikipedian 10 years ago
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Actually more than 10. May be that 10th anniversary is the unified login date. Matthew hk (talk) 11:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fosun Pharma logo.png
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Nomination of Michel Alves Baroni for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Michel Alves Baroni, to which you have significantly contributed, is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or if it should be deleted.

The discussion will take place at Articles for deletion/Michel Alves Baroni until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

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Nomination of Biton (footballer) for deletion
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The discussion will take place at Articles for deletion/Biton (footballer) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

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Proposed deletion of Begat Bushati


The article Begat Bushati has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Footballer who fails GNG and NFOOTY"

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. BlameRuiner (talk) 15:37, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Williams da Silva Soares


The article Williams da Silva Soares has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Article about semi-pro footballer which fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG."

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Jogurney (talk) 04:58, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

New Page Patrol December Newsletter
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It has been a productive year for New Page Patrol as we've roughly cut the size of the New Page Patrol queue in half this year. We have been fortunate to have a lot of great work done by who was the reviewer of the most pages and redirects this past year. Thanks and credit go to and  who join Rosguill in repeating in the top 10 from last year. Thanks to, , and who all got the NPR permission this year and joined the top 10. Also new to the top ten is DannyS712 bot III, programmed by which has helped to dramatically reduce the number of redirects that have needed human patrolling by patrolling certain types of redirects (e.g. for differences in accents) and by also patrolling editors who are on on the redirect whitelist.
 * Year in review

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 * Reviewer of the Year

As a special recognition and thank you has been awarded the first NPP Technical Achievement Award. His work programming the bot has helped us patrol redirects tremendously - more than 60,000 redirects this past year. This has been a large contribution to New Page Patrol and definitely is worthy of recognition.
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Correct and incorrect ways to address undisclosed paid editing
Matthew hk, Thank you for your efforts to improve the shipping company articles. I'm concerned that you are repeatedly accusing of being an undisclosed paid edtor at the Talk:COSCO discussion though. I assume your concerns are well founded and based on clear evidence and you were not familiar with the next steps in the process. Please review WP:PAID and follow the reporting process as described there. (Since good faith reporting can be close to WP:OUTING, the e-mail address is a good option.)

Now that the path forward is clarified, please refrain from any further insinuations about other editors are being paid either below, on that talk page, or elsewhere. Even if it wasn't your intent, your current approach could be perceived as WP:HOUNDING. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:20, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, once i collect enough info i will submit either COIN or SPI. It is very very fishy that the user was renamed, for so long not interested in shipping, suddenly create a shipping article in 2016, but inactive in this editing field again and no more improvement for his one and only shipping article created (2016- November 2020), and then sudden decided to knock off the article COSCO in 2020 by merge discussion and China Shipping Group by bold merge. All these moves seem want to channel google hit and pageview of the latter to the COSCO Shipping as typical sign of upe. Typical non paid editor only leave their pov and that all, not repeat the same merge agenda again and again and persuade other. Matthew hk (talk) 17:24, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


 * And forget to mention to nuke the cat also for his hidden agenda, instead of adding Category:China Shipping Group to CSCL Globe. Matthew hk (talk) 19:56, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Make sure you have your facts straight. I have created several shipping articles on Wikipedia. Your accusations are false and unsubstantiated. CartleR255 (talk) 20:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Nay Thwe Shwe Aung
The response by IP in Burmese are extremely rude (subhuman!, cow! son of a b*****! motherf****! I earned 80 lakhs a month f**** fu**er! Not a be**er like you!). It warrants an immediate block. (Note, I am another IP that voted delete. I am away and editing from another IP address). 32.140.117.130 (talk) 19:57, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Apologies for any misunderstanding
Thank you editing the COSCO articles. I realize you are frustrated with my edits on the COSCO articles. Please accept my apology for any misunderstandings. Hopefully you understand that I am not a paid editor. Also, I am not affiliated with any company. In the future, I will not make bold edits/merges without first discussing in talk pages.

That said, I would like to propose that we turn the page on this conflict and collaborate to improve the COSCO articles. I agree to your rationale to separate the COSCO and China Shipping Group articles from COSCO Shipping. I also agree to rename the article to China COSCO Shipping. Let us share our rationales on the talk pages with the other editors and collaborate to improve the COSCO articles. Thanks. Cartle  R255  15:52, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
I wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! Starzoner (talk) 17:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Assuming Good Faith - Templated Level 2 User Warning
Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Specifically, I had concerns about interactions with CartleR255 with these edits 1, 2, 3 & 4 and another editor with this edit A. It can be very frustrating to deal with perceived undisclosed paid editing but it's important to follow the WP:PAID reporting process. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 18:16, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


 * . go send a level 2 to admin Justlettersandnumbers (read User talk:CartleR255 quote: "Nevertheless, it seems extremely likely that you have some connection to the company" ) Matthew hk (talk) 21:48, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Both Matthew hk and I share a deep frustration with undisclosed unpaid editors and neither of us thinks that the other is a paid editor.
 * Past that agreement we're having a little trouble: I'm concerned with MHK's approach in discussions (see the links I flagged above) and MHK may have concerns about my approach on this talk page (see two entries above). If you have time, I'd welcome any feedback on how to constructively proceed with editors with potential COI issues. - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:51, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Based on the post below, looks like opinions are converging. I neutrally cross-linked all the different open proposals to encourage more input. Happy holidays! - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:03, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

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I wish you a prosperous 2021! Starzoner (talk) 15:18, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

"百慕大" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect 百慕大. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 3 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. 122.60.65.44 (talk) 01:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Lighthouses in Macau and Hong Kong
— 14.0.180.151 (talk) 11:42, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Talk:List of lighthouses in Hong Kong
 * Talk:List of lighthouses in Macau

Dante4786 was investigated for sockpuppetry, had been blocked by admins constantly, and returns to vandalise the pages of FCSB
I also strongly believe the page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FCSB&action=history is full of his clones. His only interest is not in CSA Steaua, but in erasing FCSB from Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F09:3A17:BD00:64B1:DD03:B5B4:6A0E (talk) 13:46, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I will give a copy-paste to my response on another admin's talk page (since you obviously don't like to go by the book and report an user the correct way):
 * 1. That's not how you report an user. Read the rules. You have to notify me so I can defend myself.
 * 2. This is not the place to talk about Steaua and Fcsb. Use the talk section on the right articles. And no, there is no "FC Steaua Bucharest". There is "FC FCSB" and "CSA Steaua". These are the official (short) names.
 * 3. You explained your last edit by writing "You are contesting my UEFA source". The thing is, it wasn't YOUR source. I believe that was posted by a different ip. You appear to be a new user. So congrats, you just admited to be the real sockpuppet and thus breaking the rules. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A02:2F09:3A17:BD00:5CB6:1A93:9C64:A379 -> the user posting the "source" vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A02:2F09:3A17:BD00:64B1:DD03:B5B4:6A0E -> you.
 * 4. And just for the record, I edit in good-faith. To prove my point, somebody vandalised the FCSB page on January 16. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FCSB&oldid=1000749984. Guess who undid the vandalism? Me. Dante4786 (talk) 22:32, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 5. I explained my edit, the one which this user is complaining about, like this: "Until there is a final decision, we should avoid direct links to CSA Steaua and FC Fcsb. Leave it at just "Steaua Bucuresti", so everyone is happy. Also, I eliminated one broken link" I tried to be neutral. I went for the middle ground. How is this vandalism?
 * 6. I was banned once (just once!), for something which was more like a misunderstanding. It wasn't ever related to football. I was recently unbanned from those articles. Shame on you for giving missinformation. Dante4786 (talk) 22:32, 17 January 2021 (UTC)