User talk:Matthiasval

Welcome!
Hello, Matthiasval, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as Marc vael, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines, and may not be retained.

There's a page about creating articles you may want to read called Your first article. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the New contributors' help page, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type helpme on this page, followed by your question, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Here are a few other good links for newcomers: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Questions or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome!  Ignatz mice•talk 20:18, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Starting an article
 * Your first article
 * Biographies of living persons
 * How to write a great article
 * The five pillars of Wikipedia
 * Help pages
 * Tutorial

Speedy deletion nomination of Marc vael


A tag has been placed on Marc vael, requesting that it be deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which articles can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may be soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:
 * It seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. (See section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Business for more information.
 * It appears to be about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), individual animal, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. (See section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here.  Ignatz mice•talk 20:18, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Moved to your userspace
Hi! I notice that you created a page for Marc Vael, which was nominated for a speedy. I moved it into your userspace so you can work on some of the issues that were brought up, such as it not really showing notability for him as well as it reading as promotional. You can find the article at User:Matthiasval/Marc vael, but I also wanted to give a few tips.

The first issue is with reliable sources (WP:RS). Reliable sources are sources that are published independently of the subject. For example, a paper that Vael wrote would not be usable as a reliable source even if it was published in a scholarly peer-reviewed journal. However, if someone wrote a review about his paper in say, a peer reviewed journal then that would be usable, as would if he were to receive news coverage from a paper such as the Bay Area Reporter. Blog entries, forum posts, press releases, and trivial mentions can't give notability and should generally be avoided as far as linking in the article goes. You also have to prove that he's considered to be notable in the IT world by way of reliable sources. The problem with this is that people can be respected within their field, but that doesn't always equate to Wikipedia notability. Most people, even the most respected and known people in their field, do not pass notability guidelines. This is because they don't receive coverage in reliable sources.

Now as far as specific sources in the article go, sources like this one should be avoided like the plague. You don't need to source the actual position and generally speaking, just getting a certificate, passing a class, or getting a degree in something will not give someone notability. I'm not saying that it isn't hard to accomplish this, but these are considered to be such general accomplishments that it doesn't really distinguish someone as far as Wikipedia goes. There are a lot of people who gain multiple certificates and degrees as well as working in big positions, so this sort of thing doesn't really stand out. It might make him a potential reliable source for something else, but it won't give him notability.

The other issue was that this was promotional in tone. This is mostly because it is written to look like a resume, which is always seen as promotional and a rather inappropriate layout for articles. This is also because resumes are written to sell someone to a potential employer. I'd also avoid terms such as "recognized expert". Even if he is, terms like that are considered to be a matter of opinion. We wouldn't use those terms in articles about well-known people such as Bill Gates or about things such as iPods, because these phrases are considered to be non-neutral in tone. The only time stuff like that can be used is if it's someone else quoting it and even then you have to phrase it carefully and ensure that the person who said it is someone that could be used as a reliable source.

I've edited the article to remove some of the more promotional stuff and to make it seem less like a resume. Remember, you don't have to add *every* position he's ever held. This doesn't mean that you can't add stuff back in, but be very VERY careful to avoid promotional tones. If you need help, I recommend going to WikiProject Computing. This is a group that specifically works on editing computer related articles and can be an invaluable help when it comes to knowing what to list and what to exclude, as well as where to go for reliable sources. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   07:33, 30 June 2013 (UTC) ~ THANKS for the tips Tokyogir179. It provides me with more info than just plain delete. Sorry about the confusion. It was not my intention to write a resume or promo about Marc Vael. I was one of his students and saw him teaching in other events and thus I found it weird that he was not yet on Wikipedia despite his background. Matthiasval (talk) 15:18, 30 June 2013 (UTC) Matthiasval from Belgium