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Trottski
I'm still beavering away when I get a chance; there seems to be some discrepancies in the sources about some minor stuff, particularly as to how long he spent in Bendigo. Pleae keep checking the format of the refs, that's not my strong point. I hope to finish the c-e soon so you can go to straight to FA.

Phanto282 (talk) 07:53, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah! You rumbled my game ... that is OR to link the omission of Albert to a falling out with Harry, but I have never seen it mentioned anywhere, so I have carefully complied with OR requirements by the juxtaposition of several facts, allowing the reader to draw their own conclusion. I have done all the reading I was going to do, so I will finish in the next couple of days if time permits.

Phanto282 (talk) 06:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well done ... apologies, but I'm not around much anymore, so I didn't see your msg. I liked the story about the hat and the bath. Between Trott and Darling, there seemed to be a lot of nuding it up in the Aus dressing room in the 1890s, lol.

Phanto282 (talk) 04:16, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Daylesford
Many a drunken night spent in that pub in my younger days. I'm on the wagon nowadays. I see you have uploaded a few images to the Daylesford, Victoria collection on Commons. When were you in my old home town? I was wondering if you might have been from down that way?--Sting  Buzz Me...   12:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool :-) The pic brought back memories. I live in Brisbane now. I know Bacchus Marsh. Hottest place in Australia, because it's near meltin ;-) --Sting  Buzz Me...   12:54, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Victorian railway images
A update on the situation is at User_talk:Rebecca - I have got an email response from the author and need to know what to do. Wongm (talk) 11:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Hurley article
Hi Matt, thank you for your note, I have left my opinion at the article however I have not read the policy you refer to so I am only going by your and Rebecca's interpretation of the policy. If need be I'll look at the policy and give a more well researched opinion however this would not be for a few days. I can definitely see your point though and wouldn't be surprised if you end up being correct and my being incorrect. Cheers, Wiki Townsvillian 16:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

palm Island
Ok sorry i just put it back because this is how WikiTownsvillian had it, guess i will leave it up to him to fix.Thuringowacityrep (talk) 09:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Please chime in
At this thread. I'm trying to ascertain consensus before closing the PR and moving to FAC. Thanks! --Dweller (talk) 13:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Clem Hill
Hi there. There was an OTRS complaint that Daniel got about this. A student from PAC, Hill's school, complained that "the local Methodist school" was derogatory and wanted to add us to whack in a bit about PAC being one of Adelaide's most prestigious. I commented on my talk page.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 07:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Murrumbidgee River is new ACOTF
Murrumbidgee River has been selected as the new Australian collaboration. You nominated this article, so please help to improve it in any way you can, and perhaps include a Todo list on the talk page to help guide other editors. Thanks! --Scott Davis Talk 07:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Falzon
Hi, I notice you removed someone's edit re her current date. I believe it was said on tonight's (Monday 9 June) Australian Story. I'm not going to put it back as I couldn't swear by it - all I remember is that she's moving to Perth to be with her footballer boyfriend whose name I think was Brett (you can see how much I know about football)...and I'm not sure anyhow whether a person's current "date" is important encyclopedia fodder!Sterry2607 (talk) 13:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Bot for WPAus locations
What is wrong with having a bot create a stub for places? That locatilities To-do list is probably less than 5% of the total. Lots of these places are small towns far away. Would you rather have someone toil to collect the basics like population, postcode, electoral division, climate data, templates and categories, when these basic facts and editing tasks can be automated? If these hundreds (if not thousands) of remaining Australian towns and settlements were created then other editors would be more likely to check backlinks, add notable facts, photos, citations, etc. I thought that this bot proposal was compatible with WPAustralia's goals. Don't assume it isn't going to be accurate, its just upgrading a set of places whose articles are non-existant to stub class. - Shiftchange (talk) 03:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Firstly I am philosophically opposed to force-growing the encyclopedia in this manner. Bots are great for performing midless repetitive edits, not so much for things such as creating articles. The job of finding details on postcodes, population, electorates, etc. isn't not a straightforward as one may think and I see the potential for huge amounts of unchecked error.  This will take time to firstly find and fix and in priniciple, I feel that a non-existent article is better than one that is chock-full of errors.  Secondly, I abhor sub-stubs; articles that consist of one or two sentences, an infobox and a navbox.  A blue link is a promise to a reader that the information on the linked page will be relevant and useful.  These bot-generated articles fail on both counts.   At least a red link is honest and says that we have nothing relevent on the topic at present.


 * I have written plenty of stubs on small Australian places and will continue to in the future. I am in the process of adding infoboxes to Queensland towns, having already done Vic. and Tas. .  So I understand some of the drudgery involved.  Even so, I am opposed to the project as a whole and especially so here in Australia&mdash;where we have plenty of editors to create the articles in a competent, diligent manner and where the problem of systemic bias surely doesn't exist. -- Mattinbgn\talk 09:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Port Fairy External Links
I added a external link to a site which was removed to site ptfairy.com.au & assume you removed it. I read the guidelines & felt the site qualified. The web site is a unique Port Fairy Portal, has an image gallery of over 700 original images, local news regularly updated & events calendar amongst many other features. Should I have made the link a complete URL? --23:21, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Ptfairy (talk)

Thank you
for the unexpected and delightful award and for starting off the renovation rescue. I am not sure if I would have tackled it if a start hadn't been made! --Matilda talk 00:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Newest Cabal
Having investigated this situation more fully it seems that the three of you Mattinbgn, Longhair and Matilda belong to your own cabal now - all apparently having been informed by your grandmother (or similar) to mind your own business in this way. Unfortunately, as I have never been told to mind my own business by anyone (let alone my grandparents) I am unable to join up (*said with fingers crossed behind my back*). However I wish you all well. :) -- VS talk 01:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Never enough australian idiomatic experessions on wikipedia - long may they arise from the depths of our collective wisdom - grandmothers included SatuSuro 07:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Pt Fairy
Sorry if here's not the correct place to reply but it was the only section I could find ... re your reply to my previous post .. I added the site because I noticed 2 other links to sites on the pt fairy page, My PortFairy - Accommodation, Dining, Events and Activities + Port Fairy Community Pages which are both (as far as I am aware) sites that charge for advertising & have many sub-domains & external links to paying clients. No sites on our portal pay advertising (they are all local to Pt Fairy), we have news, images, community input & local information which is topical & original. I did read the sections you mentioned & felt that we would certainly be included considering the other external links on the page.--Ptfairy (talk) 16:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Delete A7 - albums
Thanks! I missed that part of the policy. I also note you did a bit of cleanup following my attempted cleanup. Sorry to create more work for you. Won't happen again. &mdash;  X   S   G   06:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Underpus
No thanks, if I have to do all of that stuff I'll just not make the article. Pretty stupid in my opinion, as what can Underpus be advertising? Free ice cream at my house during 6a.m. to 12p.m.? I think not, but thanks though! Underpus (talk) 06:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Harry Trott source
I saw the questioning of the source at the FAC for Harry Trott]. I wouldn't strike it as a source just yet. My quick look around there shows sources for every biography on the site. You might take it to Reliable sources/Noticeboard and see what the consensus is before removing it. — Bellhalla (talk) 15:36, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Mathematical relationship
Between offering some a big readable intro welcome, vs the capacity wreak chaos - exists - sigh - havent forgotten one of my tasks today - cheers SatuSuro 00:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

ZOMG!
Buc's objections have turned me into a newbie! --Dweller (talk) 09:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thought you must have been rattled to do that! :-) -- Mattinbgn\talk 12:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Updates
Hi, I have been trying to update swimming athletes pages today by providing links to their profiles on Speedo.com (the official sponsor) but they keep getting removed. Can you tell me why?

Harry Trott
Thanks for the fixes. I will be coming back to the FAC for another round of comments, but first I want to make a clean-up pass myself. It's easier for me to fix any obvious mistakes myself than to clog up the FAC with typos and such. Only problem is that I am tired since I just worked on the massive Donald Bradman article, not to mention tracking the other sport-related candidates. I'll run through it tomorrow, and expect comments either then or the next day. Giants2008 (talk) 23:56, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

James Martin (Australian soldier)
That was an edit conflict due to using Huggle. Thanks for catching it. ... disco spinster   talk  00:38, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought it must have been something like that. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 02:42, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Nice work
Nice work for an afternoon on Lucindale, South Australia Well done. --Scott Davis Talk 12:13, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Considering I had never heard of it until this afternoon! -- Mattinbgn\talk 12:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd looked at it as a red link when I was looking for field day links, and thought "I should come back and start that one", and later in the day, you HAD. --Scott Davis Talk 09:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Adelaide Red Blue Eagles
is a notable amateur football team playing in a legitimate competition. I dispute the claim that it is non-notable, pointing to an article in The Murray Valley Standard as proof of the clubs notoriety, which has a circulation of almost 4,000 (ABC audited). In regards to the SAASL being a purely social competition, the SAASL is the level of football (soccer) below the three professional leagues of South Australia which are run by the FFSA. Many players in the league are payed money to play, making it a business exchange. Social soccer is playing in the park with mates. Babny002 (talk) 10:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Mattinbgn/RfA review
Considering your RfA, I found "All candidates should be self-nominations" slightly ironic. :-) I did like reading your thoughts though. giggy (O) 08:35, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No reflection on you, of course. I guess my thoughts were similar to yours.  I loathe seeing admin-noms as a trophy and I don't feel they add any more than a simple support would do.  If we must have "trophies", they should be for article development and not the meta-processes around them. The only problem would be encouraging candidates to nominate. I doubt I would have thrust my name forward if I wasn't pushed. :-) -- Mattinbgn\talk 08:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sure I could have convinced you! One answer I especially liked was yours to Q4, it's a damn shame more people don't share your attitude. giggy (O) 09:31, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have tossed up taking WP:CANVASS to MfD but figure it would be tilting at windmills. It is unenforceable, promotes ignorance as a virtue, assumes admins and bureaucrats are morons with no judgement skills at all and worst of all, it is used as a blunt stick to stifle debate.  In the last case, it is used mainly by editors, who&mdash;having never actually read the guideline&mdash; are attempting to have arguments defeated on the grounds of process rather than merit.  Nine times out of ten, the supposed "canvassing" they are complaining about is allowed under the guideline anyway. -- Mattinbgn\talk 09:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You're totally correct. Here's the latest example (zomg I just canvassed for it!). giggy (O) 10:17, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Apologies
Asked offline, then s-ene else did and forgot to let you know what had happened = bad form = sorry SatuSuro 21:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It was no trouble at all. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 21:52, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Ian Johnson
Were you aware of any chucking innuendo against him. The Whimpress book that I used for Jack Marsh some slo-mo footage of IJ and said that he was more dubious than Murali. Is there much chatter in the literature about his action?  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:41, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I should have read teh article more carefully. Perhaps a ref/comment from someone other than an opponent (Bailey) would make the reader take it more seriously.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 08:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Braddles
As this is a key article in 2 FT drives, I'm surprised you've not been grilling me! --Dweller (talk) 12:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. All very interesting and I understand where you're coming from on all the issues, even if I don't agree on all of them! No need to support the nom, but feel free to chip in more on 'live' issues if you like. --Dweller (talk) 13:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Epping City FC
Hi Mattinbgn

I made this page and I'm not sure why you have deleted it. You have said it is a non notable football club. Obviously you don't live in Epping as it is our team and we all know it. It may be 'non-notable' from your point of view but you cannot speak for the world. Also, what do you mean by No reliable independent sources provided.?

I don't see anything wrong with the article and I would appreciate it staying.

Thankyou


 * Ok. How do I put references on and what would be an example of a reference.

Torquay
i understand what you mean, but rest assured i have no interest in promoting the resort in question, I live in the town and am speaking from what i have seen in the town. I do not believe my revision had a conflict of interest although i understand if you think it is not encyclopedic, just as long as you are deleting it for that purpose and not because you have a personal opinion on the resort in question

Trott the centurion
Hi there Mattinbgn. I think that Trott was the 100th Australian FA, because I unearthed a whole pile of WW2 Pacific battles that Australia were listed as being involved - either by cat or in the Australian military history task force. So for the most recent Aus FA, well done! Of course, there might be some other old things out there that haven't been found....  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 08:06, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. Time to take guard again and set ourselves for 200! Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 08:59, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Noble gas
Wow. What can I say? Thanks for the great copyedit – you found a lot of things that we missed (d'oh!). Also, thanks for the Support – I will address your concerns immediately. Thanks! Gary King ( talk ) 01:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Johnson and Miller
With a full book on Miller at my disposal, I have once again overcooked things and have another 45k on Miller's Test career ready, although I forgot my USB today. Anyway, that should give extra info about Miller and Johnson if it might be of use in Johnson's article. Hmm, I'll have to start forking, because with the Military career and early years and VFL as well we could end up with 150+k. Not to mention the media career. And all those times he got confined to barracks for insulting his COs!!!  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:10, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Writing match reports are much easier!!!!  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 09:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I might need forking help soon, given my inability to choose between... imho...all this interesting info.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm feeling a bit burnt out as well. Anyway, I think I'll be able to manage. Down from 102k to 84k so far....Teh longest FA was 85k prose I think..... Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 08:11, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Bradman passed
Man, thank you so much for helping it over the finish line. Very much appreciated. --Dweller (talk) 10:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Nolan
Those articles had bothered me ever since they were created. It was about time they got blasted. -- Longhair\talk 23:16, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * See [] -- Longhair\talk 23:25, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You obviously have extremely strong views on the subject, given your somewhat hysterical initial comment at the Afd, with 5 bolded deletes - something of a record. However I suggest you stop heckling those taking an opposing view with thin and irrelevant comments, there and on talk-pages. That sort of behaviour is generally counter-productive. Johnbod (talk) 13:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Walsh
Seems to be slippery all around that art :) SatuSuro 01:17, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Diglibs2 images
Hi Mattinbgn

Thanks for your feedback regarding the placement of images in various articles.

The 'diglibs2' account was set up as a learning exercise for library students. I am sure the students have learned a great deal from this exercise and will be more careful about the placement of images in articles in the future.

Thanks Diglibs2 (talk) 06:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Archie
How unfortunate. I think there's close to zero chance of both appearing. Now, I might be biased, but I think Bradman is the more "important" of the two characters. The new system at Today's FA requests penalises where another similar article has appeared recently and penalises very heavily for such close proximity. Even if it overcame that hurdle, I have a strong hunch Raul would decline it anyway. Do you agree with my assertion about which is more important, in terms of kids being likely to be asked to do a project on the subject? --Dweller (talk) 10:04, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The irony is palpable! You could drop Sandy Georgia a line and ask her advice. There may be something that could be done. 100th anniversaries are rare and notable. There are also lots of slots in the month that have no real claims on them. Maybe pushing him to the end of his birth month would fit the bill, to keep max distance between the two cricket bios? Dunno. Ask SG for advice. --Dweller (talk) 11:31, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Brisbane
Look mate, i don't mean to offend you or anything like that. However I do feel that the brisbane page needs the adjustment i've talked about. I've already receieved one comment of support. Would it be ok if I change it now?Brisbane Man (talk) 02:57, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Peter Larkin (doctor)
Hi. I noticed you moved this stub that I created. Are you sure that the wikipedia naming guideline applies? Peter Larkin is always referred to as 'Dr Peter Larkin' in the media. I ought to say that I'm a doctor myself and I've met the guy - he obviously doesn't call himself 'doctor' when he's speaking to other doctors - but in the media he's always 'Dr Peter Larkin'. I'll let you decide. - Richard Cavell (talk) 06:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're right about all that. I must be wiki-exhausted not to have noticed that he already had an article (which I myself have edited!) - Richard Cavell (talk) 09:25, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Invercargill march
thanks Mattinbgn for helping me get this info on the site. I want to put the page on Alex Lithgow back if you can support that for me please. The International Military Music Society is working with Invercargill City Council to do a centenary commemoration to Alex & his tune next year & theres already a lot of interest & international web searching. You're not from Launceston by any chance??

(Gdrm (talk) 12:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)) Mattinbgn most of the info ADB had in fact came from our sources. However i have included all those we are involved with to cover Wikipedia. I also have some pics which are freely available if the can be used. As i haven'r got a clue how to put pics on here can i email it all to you if you have email addy. cheers.

(````) Thanks. I have now written an Alex Lithgow page, can you check it please. I will have to add pics & sound file later. cheers

Tocumwal
Yep, I finally got around to uploading my train photos just now. The tour notes have details of the line history, Tocumwal station and the Murray River bridge as well - I will get to those at some point as well. Wongm (talk) 11:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
For your follow up at the WPNZ and the links at the WA noticeboard - your help is always appreciated SatuSuro 05:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your C-Class tagging
Thanks for helping to readjust WP:AUS quality assessments in relation to the new C-Class parameter. I suspect the true number of C-Class articles lies somewhere in between the current amount of B and Start class articles. If that's any indication, we've got a long road ahead of us to travel. Cheers. -- Longhair\talk 04:33, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

LGBT tagging of Priest scandal articles
The banned user is back at it again but I'm not sure which one it is or else I'd report it to ANI. --Ave Caesar (talk) 01:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, figured out it was DavidYork71. --Ave Caesar (talk) 01:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * oh, and also editing as apparently. --Ave Caesar (talk) 12:54, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Johnson
Hmm, looking again, that pic doesn't have the exact date and it seems that I guessed the date from his looks :(..... Perhaps I should un-recuse myself from voting on Invincibles articles because it looks as though we'll be stuck here forever.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 07:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Glueing in that family photo again, cropped, looks like the way to go. There's also a big pic of him in Mytery Spinner by Haigh.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:38, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Since you have it at the moment, the copy in my library can't be taken out of the library for scanning, can you scan some of the other pics there of Johnston and Iverson? Thanks,  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:48, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer,  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 07:48, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Well done,  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks and thanks for your support and assistance. Let's see if we can get Miller across the line. :-) -- Mattinbgn\talk 06:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Question about deletion
Hi, not sure how I contact you except to write on this page, please can you comment on my questions on "mytalk" page. Policy and practice don't seem to line up. Thanks, Steve Stevecarsonr (talk) 12:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Not a sports cat
Ta SatuSuro 00:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

But - Category:Indian Ocean basins - huh? thats like getting the chapter and verse some time back from sone one who seemed to know better how Tasmania is in the Indian Ocean :( SatuSuro 00:08, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

My apologies - I never expect other australian eds to ever work on cats - it was so odd seeing yours and longhairs cats in the new arts page i tagged them immediatly - and nah i realise that you hadnt put the murray there - just showing how magnificently challenged many eds around us are - but yes there are flat earth troglodytes who have festered border relationships between mexico and and canada (sic) and who have put the pacific half way through the middle of indonesia and so on - they were fun at the time to try to reason with - thank god most of them have evaporated or whatever SatuSuro 00:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Issues - nah nothing much but distracting SatuSuro 00:25, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia:Manual of Style (flags) - huh? wanna see some brilliant examples of this gone beserk visit the Indonesian soccer page articles - its as though the flag comes before all else - sources, notability and verifiability :( SatuSuro 04:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Arrghh corey - my 17 year old went and brought corey sunglasses in january with food money when we were in cooma it thnk it was :( SatuSuro 06:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Turnerzworld
A notable venture capital will manage over 100 million dollars in capital. The company's net worth is not reflected by its capital, the capital usually represents 10 times the companies value (on a 10% equity scheme).

Didn't mean to offend. 60.238.75.219 (talk) 13:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I know and agree, hence why I tagged it for deletion. -- Mattinbgn\talk 20:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Activity
Don't tell me you're going to do a Phanto.... Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 07:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Heaps good. The prospect of keeping all the Aussie swimmer articles under control isn't too appetising either.... Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 06:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar
Hope this works as I intend. Cgoodwin (talk) 01:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, you are too kind. I will be back soon! :-) -- Mattinbgn\talk 11:02, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Visiting places
I see you have been visiting our great region again Matt. Nice new image additions as always. Regard ... -- VS talk 23:18, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If you ever get down into Victoria towards the "real food bowl" (cites avavilable upon request :)) of Australia, you're more than welcome to call in for a drink and stay-over... Your travels amaze me. Your pics impress me further... -- Longhair\talk 12:00, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If there are drinks on offer I will drive you Matt. :-D -- VS talk 13:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Beer, yes. In the fridge... This is Wine country I hope you both realise... Thank god you've got a beer drinker on the other end here :) -- Longhair\talk 13:23, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have not been west of Swan Hill in 25 years although I would love to get back to Mildura. Indeed, I have never been to Robinvale/Euston in my life despite my (undeclared) interest in a fair maiden originally from that area! I am definitely keen to get back out that way. An ancestor of mine came to Australia on the (shipwrecked) ship that gave its name to Netherby, Victoria and after being rescued from King Island and taken to the Royal Exhibition Building, settled in the Numurkah district. -- Mattinbgn\talk 13:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Once you find a reason to land yourself into our fine city, you've got yourself some good company apparently :) I'll see you there... -- Longhair\talk 13:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Unlike Matt - I have been through your neck of the woods many times over the past couple of decades - it always has been well worth the trip. I'd be happy to drink your wine and be in your company (both of you) anytime.  Cheers -- VS  talk 14:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Welcome anytime. I'm kidding goats lately; time is short online. Any extra hands are a bonus, although the fridge is a fair distance for the naystayers :) -- Longhair\talk 14:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Medal tally
There's only one table you need to worry about ... Moondyne 09:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * An absolute classic, and as the son of a Kiwi - although a proud Australian I can only concur with Moondyne! :-) -- Mattinbgn\talk 13:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * QLD up to 7 gold now (all 6 swimming golds were QLD all the relay golds were 4 QLD + Snowsill), and all the women's swimming relay teams were straight QLDers........ Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 02:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Getting clouted by England now :(, especially the cycling team - UK have won about 6/7 of the track events so far and Australia is now getting beaten by NZ in the teams pursuit :(. Maybe it might be good to lose so that they'll pump more funding because somehow I think the pollies have fallen asleep, or they think that just because the rest of the world is hopeless and is going backwards at cricket that Olympic medals are easy to come by, which they are not, judging by the amount to teams that are now going strong in swimming relays and the fact that everyone is now going full pelt in the heats and risking false starts on all the changeovers.... Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 02:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Even adjusted as at today NZ still has a little catching up to do! :-> -- VS  talk 02:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Bill Brown (cricketer) impending FAC
Hi there Mattinbgn. I was wondering if you could have a quick look over this to see if I have left out any context and wikilinks.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 08:50, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He's up. I left you a reply about Ponnie.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 09:00, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

tuross head
Matt, thanks for the help - i have neutered my text as best able and hope that it next passes muster... :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuross_Head,_New_South_Wales Leiparker (talk) 09:10, 25 August 2008 (UTC) lei

RfA
Thanks for the nice comment. I must say, having people I've never spoken to come out and say nice things about me and my editing is a pretty good feeling. Certainly balances out the butterflies in my tummy just before I transcluded! Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:24, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

South Sydney Rabbitohs
Hi Matt - if you have the time and the inclination, would you be able to stop by South Sydney Rabbitohs? There appears to be some ongoing pov and spam pushing as well as possible bio violations there over the last few days but unfortunately the regular editors haven't placed any user-page templates. I dropped a couple of templates off this morning here and here. Cheers, &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 02:13, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Now on my watchlist, although I will away from the computer most of the weekend. -- Mattinbgn\talk 04:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Cheers, &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 04:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Michael Witt
Hi Matt - I would like some advice on handling the Michael Witt article. It's basically a fan-site and my attempts last year to improve the article were met with total resistance by the anon ip "owners" of the article. I haven't attempted to do any more since then but I've just deleted some unreferenced peacocky/fannish chunks which were recently added and I've added an template to the page. I'm not expecting my edits to be welcomed any more than they were last time. Can I treat the ip as a vandal at all if it is all reverted? Cheers, &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 05:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If, after some notice, the editor continues to revert without discussion I would certainly feel free to treat this as a vandalism case, up to and including reporting to WP:AN/I. Sorry I didn't respond more quickly, I haven't been around here much lately. The article is now on my watch list. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 09:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the advice, and for looking at the article. Cheers, &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 11:03, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

VIC tags
Hi, I have restored the Victorian country tags. I apologise for causing any trouble on this front.

Re usefulness: the VIC category itself wasn't so bad, but the Melbourne one is beyond useless. (Until this morning, every tram service was listed as needing a photo!) When I was in Melbourne myself with 8 days and a camera, I accessed it but in the haze of listed suburbs there, couldn't figure out what was priority and what was not (or even what was nearby) from the 360 or so entries and whether any of them had in fact been "requested" at all, and gave up - this will be the problem of *anyone* who tries to use that category with the same aim in mind. As a former database developer, too, I'm well aware of the concept of redundancy and the fact that this list will quickly become desynchronised with the number of articles actually needing photos - the more incoherent and complex, the less likely it is to be updated as the less likely anyone will use it. Is there any way the use of this category can be improved, or should it be replaced with a WikiProject to-do list which can be categorised? Orderinchaos 05:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

South Melbourne cricketers
I love the new name. Your new category is pretty easy to fill with quality cricketers. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 01:23, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes it is, and the name is more convenient. A lot of people have trouble spelling the old one for some reason.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 08:07, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What's next on the menu?  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 08:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Feel free to trim the military and early years. With the Millerisms it's a bit hard to know which are more important incidents. Those have daughter articles already.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 08:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Action needed
The need for a RFC is becoming more and more obvious - please go ahead and do it - Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 September 14#Coastal_and_port_cities_and_towns - there is actually reason to believe that there are associated/related moves that require attention, and some semblance of protocol and order to what looks like a potential situation would be much appreciated. A sense of correct procedure I believe is crying out from this issue as it appears to be developing at the moment. SatuSuro 05:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I would thoroughly endorse such a move. It appears some editors have gotten entirely carried away and need to be brought into line and reminded that they are meant to serve the community, not the other way around. Orderinchaos 05:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Your level headed and project wide and relevant comment regardin the current issue at Orderinchaoses talk page is appreciated and it only reinforces my confidence in your level headedness and vision - thank you! SatuSuro 09:03, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Why, thank you! :-) Hopefully we can get some changes in process out of the whole debacle. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 09:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

By what has happened so far I am unfortunately quite pessimistic - but hey your points and the way you have expressed them - if they bring a revised method of tackling the dump and run style at global cfd's - and developed into a more specific task oriented piece by piece method - then i think there is hope that - it will be a better place to work, but i hope we dont have too many body parts to pick up off the floor after it is all resolved, however long that might take :( SatuSuro 09:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * A comment has been added by me at OIC's page (to retain centralisation of that part of your thread). My support for further action will be forthcoming.-- VS talk 09:31, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Advice
Thanks for the message, but I am well aware of the advice, which I chose not to heed. If regular users don't want template warnings, then they should engage in behaviour appropriate to their experience and not engage in edit wars or violate the 3RR. Cheers. :) Cripipper (talk) 09:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Armstrong
Pfft, you didn't offend anyone. Cheers. Peter1968 (talk) 11:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Editcountitis
Cmon man, that's puny! Come, join the slash and burn fest. --Dweller (talk) 15:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Photos
Great work finding the photos. The ones of Herb and the Big Ship in particular are great! -- Mattinbgn\talk 08:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * They weren't that difficult to find. You'll note that a camera is much more accessible than I scanner so I took photos of the book which makes the geometry a bit warped.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Mulga Bill

 * What is there should be transwikied - just copy and paste in my view. The poem is I suspect worth an article.  http://www.pushon.com.au/news/news_Detail.asp?newsID=322 has some good information about the poem.  I can't do anything now but it would be a good article to write. --Matilda talk 00:40, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Reply - not sure :)
Unfortunately all I have is secondary data from the ABS and the former Department of Local Government in the 1980s, and library lookups in SLV and searches on the Net. There seems to be a genuine split! Even Google can't decide - one (&) is only weakly preferenced above the other (and). I had used the ABS data from yearbooks as my primary reference. Whichever one it is, the other should definitely redirect to it. Orderinchaos 01:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That wouldn't be OR at all - I often do that sort of stuff to pin down minor details. Orderinchaos 01:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Government Gazette No S2 (Thurs 19 January 1995) s.3(2)(n) says "On the appointed day the following councils cease to exist [...] Shire of Newham and Woodend". Section A on the first page repeats this particular spelling of it. If we go with that spelling, we now have an RS for it. Confirmed that the ABS census district was "&" from two sources. Orderinchaos 01:47, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Was lucky to find that one. :) I scanned in all the related VGG's relating to the amalgamations about 3 months ago, intending later to use them to improve some of the articles, but have as yet to get around to it. I had for some inexplicable reason dumped them in my camera directory instead of my usual PDFs directory. Orderinchaos 02:23, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Regions
I think there must be some sort of legitimate institutionalised region names in states other than qld and wa - it seems odd that there is such disquiet in the vic and nsw area - surely there are specific fed and state legal distainctions for regions? SatuSuro 03:21, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I work in the LG field in NSW and I have never heard or seen of them (not to say that it doesn't exist, however). Various departments (Health, Education, Tourism, State Dev) have various versions, none of which are consistent with others and none of which have any legislative backing (other than perhaps health). The ABS definitions of regions may be as good as we are going to get, but that would rule out Riverina, surely a well recognised region but with no ABS recognition.  It is not surprising that the two largest states have some sort of formal regionalisation that the smaller states possibly do not. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 03:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm- In WA we have twice the number than are actually at the article - no one has untangled the issue much and many of them are not enumerated - I would class what Telstra used to have for phone areas, (ocde areas). surely the Local Government association would have some way to differentiate councils, surely SES and emergency authorities would have was of desginating areas, there would be the areas as designated by the weather bureau, and the ag dept - I am sure there is hope for the states other than Qld and WA to have good regional chaos articles - it just needs very careful writing. And in the regions of a state regions article I presonally wouldnever allow - for one type of regional label to rule out another type, its against the general import of the reason for the article in the first place - which is to show the range of different ways the state(S) are divided up by various sources of info - SatuSuro 10:52, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As one of the team that got Riverina to FA status I am not against regional articles and categories, but even agreeing on a definition of Riverina caused some major heartache (and attracted a troll) before some good will saw us get over the line. I guess I am a little nervous of the work involved in getting some consensus about what makes up the [Wimmera as opposed to the Western District; what area the Goulburn Valley takes in (does it include Yarrawonga for example). Articles for deletion/North Central Victoria gives some idea of my concerns when writing articles about regions. The idea of North Central Victoria still means nothing to me and I daresay it means little to most Victorians but here we are with an article about it. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 11:23, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * How I understand it is that it's not really a fixed region,(Use the "Riverina" which I could go on about) SES HQ in Wagga Wagga uses the "Murrumbidgee" as it's region rather then the Riverina then you have REROC (Riverina Eastern Regional Organisation of Councils) then RIVROC (Riverina Regional Organisation of Councils). Also before the councils lost control of the electricity control Murrumbidgee County Council (Griffith, Leeton ect) and Southern Riverina County Council (Wagga Wagga), so it seems that the regions are not really legally binding. Bidgee (talk) 11:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note REROC, RIVROC and MUROC are now RAMROC (Riverina and Murray Regional Organisation of Councils)
 * My main aim in working on the WA article was to show that different authorities and non authoritiies over time have divied the state up to the point we have to accept that there are differences- and not to get bothered in any way by the fact there might be up to 6 or 7 ways of understanding what is south west western australia - but simply to get it into an article. Then if someone has an issue with any of them it is always a case of using cites to point out that the variants exist :) SatuSuro 11:46, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Miller
I think I need a decent name for the 1952-1956 period of Miller so I can fork a bit more about the general leadserhip/senior player phase...  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 07:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * He was the NSW captain but overlooked for the Aust captaincy. This seeming snub ties together his late career but is sort of used for the period immediately prior to . A heading name ... let me think about it. Perhaps a daughter article such as Late career of Keith Miller? -- Mattinbgn\talk 07:45, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

You've got mail.
Just a note that I've sent an email. :) Bidgee (talk) 08:29, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Fish Information and Services (2nd nomination)
Pity others see the AfD as disruptive. Any way time to take my mind off Wikipedia fore a bit (Off to work). Bidgee (talk) 20:27, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Eaglehawk, Victoria
The article states that it was a former gold-mining town. But what is the current situation of the economy of this town?  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 23:03, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It is now a suburb of Bendigo, Victoria --Matilda talk 23:10, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on talk page. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 23:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Your pic on your user page

 * Terrific stuff - but I like the ocean too ;-) --Matilda talk 00:31, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have had some good times at the beach - at Lorne and Aireys Inlet for example - but the sand and salt water don't really excite me all that much! -- Mattinbgn\talk 00:46, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Bah the spray at Ocean Beach, Tasmania would sort anyone out one way or other.

Re my indiscriminate comments at Afd's - I think there are issues that work both ways as to the global nature of the process - I remain particularly jaded by regional ignorance bias in the process (specially against Indonesian articles) - but can also see the very important validity of it being global in a way of forcing rs or delete process. Thems the breaks SatuSuro 01:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Hay and beyond
Gawd you are sucker for the flatlands :( SatuSuro 03:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Yeah I will have done the nullabor 4 x in 12 months by late december - gimme the country between balladonia and ceduna anytime, over the traffic jams of inner sydney or melbourne :) SatuSuro 06:29, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Penny sackett - all the anu material loops on itself - she does not have anything about herself on her home page or the first page at anu search results - me thinks there is some clever privacy issues causing a wall - it will be very patient googling (wash my mouth out- clustying ) and anu searching to uncover anything i suspect :( SatuSuro 08:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC) clusty find one http://www.aas.org/cswa/archive/STScI_database/women/cswa_list.html#Sackett but... http://www.abc.net.au/rn/scienceshow/stories/2006/1757387.htm maybe something in there SatuSuro 08:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Wonderful find, thank you very much. -- Mattinbgn\talk 08:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hardly - really little info, but if youre interested - try clusty sometime :) SatuSuro 09:57, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well done the art looks good SatuSuro 12:08, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks and I used Clusty to find some of the sources. Thanks for the tip. -- Mattinbgn\talk 12:09, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be very interesting to do a test run of the clusty versus oggle on some similar subject when it comes up in the near future - it seems easier to track the types of links that might help if I undertand it right SatuSuro 12:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Parramatta
The edits I have made have mainly been wikifying in nature, i.e. I have made the article consistent with other articles of its type e.g. Sydney, Melbourne, etc. On closer examination it shall be seen that very little has in fact been changed, but it has only been rearranged in good faith such that all information is put in its proper place. I do not believe this to be a problem or disruptive. The article was a mess in the first place. VerseDoorPlace (talk) 13:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Kew Asylum
A huge THANK YOU for picking me up on my quotation style (or lack of it!) on Kew Asylum and pointing me towards WP:MOSQUOTE. After years and years of Uni, I still just can't get the hang of quotation styles. Also, thank you for the correction on Wills cricketing career. RE references (and lack thereof) - I will go over it again and see what points could be further referenced. I might change one or two of the quotes into block quotes (now that I know how) which may make the origins of some of the information clearer. Shelbypark (talk) 15:07, 30 September 2008 (UTC)