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 * ) admin  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  00:28, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep. Some frustration with petty vandalism that I could deal with more effectively with the tools. I won't be a hugely active admin - I figure I am not obliged to actually use the tools, as long as I don't misuse them. I don't think I will be closing masses of AfDs (or CfDs!) any time soon ... Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 02:18, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Bonegilla Migrant Reception and Training Centre
The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Hillston police station
Do you have any images of the Hillston police station? The station was badly damaged in a fire yesterday (which started in the living quarters of the building). Future of the building is unknown at this stage. Bidgee (talk) 08:43, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No, sorry. It was starting to rain when I was there and getting very dark. I walked past the building but didn't stop as I was getting wet. Wish I had have stopped now ... -- Mattinbgn\talk 08:56, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Bugger! Don't worry, have had it happen to me a few times (been lucky twice with the old Vinnies shop [I still wished I got a better photo] and the old RTA building but sadly both were suspicious fires). Bidgee (talk) 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I did get the old Catholic church at Barooga and the old National Bank at Berrigan, but I knew they was getting knocked down sooner or later. I saw that someone (not me) got a photo of the Isle of Wight Hotel at Cowes before it burnt down (suspicious too ...) -- Mattinbgn\talk 11:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess it's good to know that a buildings history is numbered as you know how much time you have to photograph it but when something happens out of the blue (fire, earthquake, unexpected faults (which results in an emergency demolition [though very rare] ect). Thought it is good to see that we have a photo of Isle of Wight Hotel! Bidgee (talk) 12:32, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Football (soccer)
Please stop editing the football (soccer) articles to association football. It was agreed that the term in football (soccer) for AUSTRALIAN articles. If you want to discuss it again, please open up a new one. Thanks 60.224.3.243 (talk) 08:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Link to the "consensus" for the use of football (soccer)? Bidgee (talk) 08:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Australian National Heritage List
All looks a bit Flash since I last seriously edited this. Well done! All should deserve an article, I will look after Budj Bim and the Tas. estates and turn them into proper articles but cant afford time for others; seems OK to combine those two, the latter are adjacent and the former are now under same ownership and the same rationale for listing (the cheque has just arrived for our bit of Budj Bim, so a bit of COI, can provide a pic but will wait until Spring when the yellow flowers arrive). Kept out of your recent crusade, as I would have to disagree, but bus stations, streets etc would seem fair game (Ferry wharves may have been done by stealth recently). Also, just reverted your revert of my cat. of Bulla, Victoria; just for once the Council advises us- Rural areas and townships of Bulla, Mickleham and Kalkallo (Bulla would doubtless be suburban xcept for the flight path) Cheers (Crusoe8181 (talk) 12:13, 7 June 2010 (UTC)).
 * Sorry for the delay in replying, I have been away from the PC for a bit. The list is starting to come together, just needs some more cosmetic touches now (and blueing up the redlinks). Long term goal should be WP:Featured Lists. Still disagree about the suburbs/towns. Any criteria that classes Melton and Sunbury as suburbs of Melbourne and excludes Rockbank and Bulla is fatally flawed. I would class all localities in the Melbourne SD as suburbs. With the compulsory disambiguation, I can advantages for editors but I cannot see how it helps the casual reader at all. Good luck on Budj Bim and the Tas estates. I will have a bit of a go on Echuca Wharf. Cheers, 07:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

The Gore Effect AfD
You previously commented on Articles for deletion/Gore effect. A new version of the article has been created at The Gore Effect and has been nominated for deletion. If you have any views on this, please feel free to comment at Articles for deletion/The Gore Effect. -- ChrisO (talk) 08:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Renmark Rovers FC
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Ask an admin...
...to do the crappy little things! Bunch of moves which have failed are at User:Crusoe8181 so need destination articles/redirects deleted to proceed. Uncontroversial, I would think. Thanks (Crusoe8181 (talk) 09:54, 19 June 2010 (UTC)).
 * Away from home at the moment but will get to them all as soon as I get back, likely Thursday. All are prime candidates for a move and interestingly some of them are good arguments for removing compulsory disambiguation for towns. The false premise drawn from the compulsory disambigation of towns leads editors who don't understand the subtle distinction used in Wikipedia's naming protocols misleads them into thinking that all Australian places need to have the state appended to them - thus creating work for you and I renaming them! Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 03:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Next step?
Hey, Mattinbgn! What is the next step in the proposal you made for Aust placenames? Have you contacted an outside party to review? Night w (talk) 05:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Gillard protection
Hi Mattinbgn, thanks for protection of Julia Gillard's article so fast, makes work easier for the rest of us, hopefully not me for long ;) GJGardner (talk) 13:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Matt. I get substantially mob-edited when I flick in " When being sworn in by the Governor-General of Australia, Ms Quentin Bryce, Ms Gillard chose not to make references to any "god".ABC News, 24. June 2010: "Gillard sworn in as PM" (video)" are there users with substantially more rights then others, or what is the case? If there are objections they should be discussed on article talk. Thank you for your attention and best regards, Oalexander-En (talk) 06:23, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No, there are not users with more "rights" when it comes to content as I am sure you know. The problem is that most editors don't see how it is relevant to the article, and I agree with them. Gillard did not refer to many things in her swearing-in ceremony and why a god or gods need to be singled out, I am not sure. Secondly, it veers on original research to use a video clip as a reference for something Gillard did not say. I would be more supportive if a reliable source thought the non-reference to a god worthy of note.


 * Thirdly, your insistence on including this specific non-occurrence (as opposed to the infinite list of other things Gillard did not do today) in the article quite frankly makes you come across as a POV-pusher. This may be unfair but if it quacks like a duck ... If you want to make a reference to Gillard's alleged atheism, find a reliable source supporting this - preferably a self-description as such. Bob Hawke was a self-described agnostic as PM, I don't think it is a big deal. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 06:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)
 * Oalexander mis-states what I said to him on his talk page (whether intentionally or not, my lack of omniscience lays out there for all to see). I merely noted that he should not be quick to label as a vandal an experience editor.  Someone with 40,000 edits deserves the courtesy of a discussion, rather than be called a vandal because he (Oalexander) doens't like this other editor's edits. I never stated that more experienced editors have more rights than others, (substantial or otherwise).  As to bringing mattes of disagreement to the article talk page, Oalexander might take a drop of his own medicine there. HuskyHuskie (talk) 06:50, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Your edit summary
Regarding your edit summary here, it seems a little overly-harsh given that Talbot is described as a 'mining tycoon' in many of the major world media outlets, including The Guardian, Forbes, The Sydney Morning Herald, and La Repubblica. The editor added it in good faith, so it seems like your edit summary was needlessly mocking his choice of words when the use of 'tycoon' was being used as a descriptive in most reliable sources. --Jezebel's Ponyo shhh 14:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I was going to add "class enemy of the proletariat" as well :) Seriously, this is supposed to be an encyclopedia and as such we use neutral terms like "businessman" rather than "tycoon". While there are sources using the term, newspaper terminology is now always suitable for an encyclopedia or else every sportsman or actor would be described as "star"! Knowing the political leanings of the SMH and the Guardian, their use of the term "tycoon" is likely politically loaded too. I guess my tone was a little mocking and it probably should not have been but sometimes I find the overt political bias of editors a little annoying and my frustration peeks out a little. -- Mattinbgn\talk 14:40, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I know you were going for humour in the summary, and honestly I understand were you are coming from - I just felt bad for the editor who took the time to add the infobox to the article using the terminology that was being used in virtually all of the media at the time, only to have it reverted in such a fashion. I would hate for them to be discouraged from trying to add improvements in the future. Ultimately it's a very very minor thing, I just think that sometimes we forget that edit summaries become a permanent, uneditable record in an article's history. --Jezebel's Ponyo shhh 14:49, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Tim Mathieson
While I (weakly) support keeping this article, it may be worth revisiting the deletion in a few months. In my experience articles about things or people which are in the news are almost impossible to delete as their prominence at the time can lead to different evaluations of overall notability than would be the case at other times. Nick-D (talk) 01:39, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point, noted. -- Mattinbgn\talk 06:02, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Current person template
As long as the event occured in the past week, the template is still valid. I'm going to rollback it but I figured I would let you know since rollbacking doesn't allow for this explanation. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If that is the case (a link would be handy), then the rule is a nonsense. The "event" is over and the tag is therefore misleading. I don't want to get into a edit war over it but surely some common sense should apply rather than a strict application of the "rules" (as if the "rules" are something that absolutely must be enforced anyway). -- Mattinbgn\talk 21:30, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, you are right. I just moved the template to her page. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Words
Do not seek to put words in my mouth or ascribe motivations to me as you did here. I didn't call it either way, just pointed out WP:DUCK. It's you who choose to see that as a 'smear', not I; and in doing so you are guilty of that which you ascribe to me. Had the nominator not brought it up, I wouldn't have felt it necessary to comment. Dreadstar ☥  04:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Rather thin-skinned of you to use weasel words to accuse others of canvassing (what else could pointing to WP:DUCK mean?) and cry NPA when challenged on it don't you think? Your (ab)use of WP:CANVASS is one of the reasons I would prefer to see it abolished. It is used as a tool to stifle discussion rather than promote it and discourages open on-wiki communication and encourages secretive off-wiki communication. It is mostly cited by people who have not actually read it but who merely wish to silence opposing viewpoints. As it turns out, I agree with you that the Macpherson DRV should be closed as endorse, and for the same reasons that you have cited, but I was able to state my opinion without making a "by-the-way" and unnecessary slur about good-faith editors who have been superb contributors to this project. If only you could have shown such restraint. -- Mattinbgn\talk 04:37, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You misunderstand completely. Obviously the nominator felt the appearance of canvassing was significant enough to not only wait two weeks before posting the DRV, but to then mention it in the actual DRV nomination itself. .  That’s looking more and more like inappropriate smeary duckmanship to me, and I felt that it needed to be pushed back on – no matter what the intent.  I was responding to what I perceived as an unnecessary slur by the nominator. Dreadstar  ☥  04:47, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, perhaps better to put this aside now. Thanks for the response. -- Mattinbgn\talk 02:41, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Gillard & affirmation
"Given that Gillard has made a clear statement about her beliefs, we no longer need the section re:affirmation to demonstrate her views. It is WP:UNDUE to have both)"

Good call. --Cablehorn (talk) 03:23, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Gillard and atheism
Hi Mattinbgn. My concern about the atheist tag was not that she had to say the exact word, but rather that she had called herself "agnostic", or so it is claimed at Talk:Julia Gillard. If the category had been "Category:Australian agnostics" then that is probably supported by refs. BTW, I still can't believe how much effort is being expended on this "ungodly PM" issue! Regards, WWGB (talk) 06:04, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

The Mining Tax in 2010 in Australia
I'm not sure it's really the biggest event of the past two months, but that's not the point. Your addition is about changing something that's not even mentioned in the article. It makes no sense in isolation. The wise thing to do would be to add as an event Rudd's original announcement of the tax. Then Gillard's changing of it will make some sense to non-local and non-current readers. Did you even read my Edit summary? HiLo48 (talk) 12:12, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Another political mine field, on Wiki! Bidgee (talk) 13:00, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've only just realised - that may have been meant as a very droll joke! Well done to Bidgee if it was. Anyway, I've now added an entry to 2010 in Australia about the tax first being announced, so that the new entry about it being changed makes some sense. You can thank me later Mattinbgn. HiLo48 (talk) 08:14, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I could help myself. :P Need to liven up the place a bit IMO or Wiki could be mistaken for the Australian Parliament. ;) Bidgee (talk) 08:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Ellie Corrigan
why did you delete the page Ellie Corrigan?

Warnings
Sure, however the other user should be warned too, because he continues this edit war without any discussion he is just reverting everything. --Thomaskh (talk) 08:07, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ROFL! I've only reverted three times not four, I'm not the one using a article talk page as a forum, I'm not the once calling editors names, I'm not the one adding false warnings. Bidgee (talk) 08:14, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Pat O'Shane
Good one. Thanks. Anthony (talk) 00:38, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

User:Thomaskh
Just reported User:Thomaskh for breaching the 3RR on the ABC News 24 talk page. Bidgee (talk) 03:17, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi, thanks for reverting the attack on my talk page. I guess I must have upset the dude! Regards, WWGB (talk) 04:36, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. Happy to help. -- Mattinbgn\talk 05:11, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi, thanks for the helpful welcome to Wikipedia. I'll reach out to WikiProject Australia and will address the Financial COI issues. Cheers. --Mattcooperrider (talk) 07:32, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

CfdAustralianCityCategories
Noticed you picked on these; there are more (about 50 in total) which I was going to add and then do the right thing and mention them all on the noticeboard, but the reception was a bit other than I expected so I've just let them ride for the time being- My argument on these was that the compulsory disambig. shouln't carry through to cats etc but I may not argued that too well or there may be disagreement, anyway. Regards (Crusoe8181 (talk) 05:57, 3 August 2010 (UTC)).
 * Once they are listed, them AWNB should be notified as that is where a good cross-section of informed views on Australian topics will come from. With categories, there an argument (and it is somewhat convincing) that categories need more disambiguation than articles, rather than less. I must admit, I am having a little trouble working out why you work so hard to fix unnecessary disambiguation throughout the encyclopedia but then turn around and support the same unnecessary disambiguation for Australian populated place articles. Oh well, everyone is entitled to an opinion... Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 08:54, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Jim Kennan's death
My point in adding former was that at any time there is only one Deputy Premier of Victoria, and he didn't die yesterday. Didn't even think about footballers, but there are lots of them. However, your change is a nice solution. HiLo48 (talk) 21:34, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The claims made in the deaths section of 2010 in Australia (and in Deaths in 2010) are not statements of what that person was at the time of death, but rather what that person was notable for during their life. See the listing for Jeff Shaw up the list from Kennan. Sorry about the tone in the edit summary, a lot of late nights at present ... -- Mattinbgn (talk) 03:40, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

armstrong and ponny
I put the dates on them so I could put them on the "On this day" segment of the main page for you  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  05:39, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :) The Big Ship and Claggy are two of the projects I always plan to get back to, and never quite do. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 07:40, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * cheesed off with Wikicorruption?  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  06:53, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The FAC process for Ian Johnson soured me a bit on getting cricket articles to FA status. Not that the process was any better or worse than the others but it just seemed more painful than the others. It may just have been because I was less excited about the subject than I was with Trott and Trumble, for example, but it left me sapped of enthusiasm to take another article there. Having said that, Armstrong just needs a bit more depth and Hughes needs some more work in style etc. and a very thorough copy-edit. Perhaps I will try for Hughes to GA and see how I go from there.


 * Of course, I have a few other things on at the moment. My anti-mandatory disambiguation campaign is simultaneously taking up much of my wiki-time and sucking away some of my wiki-enthusiasm. I should just let it slide but I just can't see any good reason why Wagga Wagga can't be at Wagga Wagga, dammit. :) I have also got a few lists on the go: Australian National Heritage List and List of crossings of the Murray River (say, you don't have any photos of the SA cable ferries do you ...) . Not to mention, my life away from Wikipedia has become a little more active this past 12 months. Once the Ashes come around I am sure I will feel more in the mood to attack cricket articles again. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 07:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Painful or more demanding quality-wise? I thought Ponny would have been more difficult as the stds kept rising. Oh, I've set up the NSW part of the photo poll, Hughes, Henriques, Copeland, O'Keefe et al :)  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  09:09, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ponny had better sources, which made it much easier. It was hard with IJ to meet some of the requests because the sources were a little lacking, and as you say, standards are rising. I will attack the Hughes article again shortly for a run at GA at least. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 06:35, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Is all the content in Hughes ready? I wasn't around in his time but from my experience of his commentary he probably wasn't teh shrewdest player.  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  05:01, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

(unindent)Still needs some work on the style section. Hughes was a beautiful batsman to watch - elegant and dynamic - and the article does not show that yet. The lede needs rewriting in its entirety. As for lack of shrewdness, he was not a tactical genius but I don't think it was because he was not bright. His two major character flaws were a reckless impetuosity (this showed in his batting, my main mental image of Hughes is seeing him halfway down the pitch while the keeper scoops off the bails) and an intense desire to be liked. Neither are ideal attributes for a captain. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 08:05, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Tarrawingee, Victoria
Hi Mattinbgn, I saw you reverted my edit at Tarrawingee, Victoria. But that caused the coordinates to point to the northern hemisphere (negative + S = N). So I've undone your edit, perhaps the removal of the minus sign isn't so obvious in the diff. XLerate (talk) 13:12, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see I accidently removed the map, thinking one set of coords would be sufficient. XLerate (talk) 13:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Missed the minus sign, my mistake. I shouldn't have used rollback anyway ... -- Mattinbgn (talk) 07:13, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Northeast Victoria
We noticed you've added a page that has been on our 'Requested Articles' tab on our project page. We thought you might like to join. If so, you can add your name at WikiProject_NorthEast under the 'Participants' tab.
 * While I admire your enthusiasm, I suspect that WikiProject North East will not get off the ground, and quite likely will be deleted sooner rather than later. You will not be able to get sufficient support to keep this project alive. It would be best to look at some model other than a formal WikiProject to coordinate the development of articles on the north east. Keeping a list on in your own userspace would most likely be sufficient. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 02:49, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Bunnies
Yes I believe there is a mandate per Talk:Sydney Roosters and per the fact that the refs for the individuals don't agree with the leading statement that all of them were notable acitivists  YellowMonkey  ( new photo poll )  05:42, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Was that you venting on the Cricinfo page about Hazlewood and NSW :P ???
 * Can't recall mentioning Hazlewood directly - although his selection is a disgrace - but certainly I vented about the selection of a "SpeedBlitz Blues" invititation XI in place of a national team for the tour of India. Back to back winners of the "best domestic competition in the world" and still the Vics can't get a look in. The only Victorian to be given a long term position in the Australian team since Dean Jones had to be the best Australian cricketer since Bradman and even then the NSW mafia (aka Waugh, S) dropped him in favour of a NSWelshman once! Its a conspiracy I tells ya! -- Mattinbgn (talk) 01:40, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No you didn't, but the rest were all established players except Hughes, which seemed non-controversial...well I guess you meant Smith as well....They should bring back Hodge, but when I went down to Vic training, he was moaning about something every 2 minutes, literally, so no wonder they don't pick him. Still SA has had its fair few picks on talent rather than performance, eg Cosg, Cullen, Ferg and Bailey's contract, although Ferguson somehow managed to defy his lack of prior performance.  YellowMonkey  ( new photo poll )  09:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Game On (exhibition) and British spellings
I am aware of the Manual Style rules. I was just unaware that British English actually spelled the word that way (and also jumped the gun seeing that red underline in Firefox spellcheck.) It is actually the first time I can remember seeing the word "organise" on WP before. Thanks for pointing the detail out to me, though! — CobraWiki ( jabber 04:24, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes/Straw poll on interim usage
Hi. As you recently commented in the straw poll regarding the ongoing usage and trial of Pending changes, this is to notify you that there is an interim straw poll with regard to keeping the tool switched on or switching it off while improvements are worked on and due for release on November 9, 2010. This new poll is only in regard to this issue and sets no precedent for any future usage. Your input on this issue is greatly appreciated. Off2riorob (talk) 23:40, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

137.163.18.131
Thanks for the save :). I long for a day when I can attract a more imaginative class of vandal to my userpage!  Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:25, 7 October 2010 (UTC).

Grammar problem in 2010 sport
I've just put added a new section to the Discussion page of 2010 in Australia. It's really a response to your question of "What grammar problem?"

Murray-Darling Basin Plan
Hi,

you placed a dubious-discuss link but you haven't started a discussion why you think it is dubious - are you waiting for others to kick this discussion off or if no discussion is started can that tag be removed after a while. CheersCanberraBulldog (talk) 09:20, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Riverina flooding
I'm currently creating an article in my user space about the Riverina floods which are notable, Looks like the hardest hit town were Adelong, The Rock, Tarcutta, Lockhart and parts of Wagga Wagga. I've gotten a few photos of flooding including the evacuation of the cabins from the caravan park but missed out on getting photos of Phil Costa. Not sure if you have any photos of any flooding? Bidgee (talk) 11:03, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No photos, I have been away from the area and most of the floods in this part of the world are in the Billabong Creek catchment. Holbrook, Culcairn, Walbundrie, Rand and Urana have been/will all be pretty hard hit as well as floodwaters make their way down to Moulamein. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 09:07, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Categorizing Commons files
Hi there Mattinbgn, just a note, if a file is being hosted at Commons, it should be categorized there, not here on Wikipedia. Categorizing images here makes the page eligible for speedy deletion under F2. Thank you. — ξ xplicit  01:48, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I am aware of Commons categorisation rules. I merely thought it useful to have the images show in an appropriate category here, but it seems that it is not. It may be better to link the enwiki category to the commons category through an interwiki link. Mattinbgn (talk) 03:15, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * links to the Commons category with Commons category, if that's what you meant. — ξ xplicit  03:34, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That was exactly what I meant. Seems I had already done it. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 03:41, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Sunbaker
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 12:02, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Article move needs to be undone.
Can you undo an unrequested move done by User:Crusoe8181 who has now fucked the "move article" (I've tried to fix it but since they changed the redirect page is will not let me). They moved Alfred Town to the dreaded Alfred Town, New South Wales (which has stuffed up every Wiki link which was linked to Alfred Town since it pointed to the NY article rather then the NSW) and then redirected to Alfred (town), New York which is only known as Alfred or the Town of Alfred and not Alfred Town. Bidgee (talk) 11:08, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't do it, Bidgee. There are enough editors making bad faith allegations about my conduct as an editor regarding trying to get rid of pointless disambiguation of place name articles without adding fuel to their fire. The funny thing is, of course, if I did what Crusoe8181 did and just unilaterally moved articles to my preferred version, all hell will break loose, but somehow actually having the discussions is disruptive. Go figure ...


 * The whole discussion over pointless disambiguation is a dialogue with the deaf. I am now convinced that even the defenders of pointless disambiguation no longer have any solid belief in its utility - they merely want to keep it because "that's how we have always done things in Australia, goddamit". It's nothing but reflexive reaction. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 22:04, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I understand, I was just pissed off and frustrated. I find it strange that they are supporting an disambiguation which really was put in-place by the Yanks which really doesn't suit Australian articles (unless disambiguation is necessary [IE: articles such as Griffith, Leeton]) but I've never understood why Darwin redirects to disambiguation since Charles Darwin is known as such (Darwin is just a nick) and Darwin should be known as such with a link to the disambiguation page place on the top of the article, only reason I've not request a rename for it is due to the fact it would never get the support it should get (yanks will put a stop to it no matter what [followed by the current editors trying to put a stop the current moves]). Bidgee (talk) 01:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Boot Clarke out
Hodge, Ferguson and S Marsh all better in ODI/T20  YellowMonkey  ( new photo poll )  01:59, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I have no idea what Clarke's role is supposed to be. He is not good enough as a 20/20 batsman to be there and White is a better 20/20 captain. It is clear evidence that we still don't take that form of the game seriously. Hilditch needs to go - his panel has botched the transition from Warne et al. and instead we will now be making panicked selections in the midst of the Ashes. If there is an upside to all of this, an Ashes loss may see a complete cleanout of Hilditch, Nielsen and most likely Ponting (at least as captain). Katich, Hussey and Haddin may not make it through the series if we lose early and their form is poor and North should not make even the Gabba Test. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 22:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Coles
Can you protect the Coles Supermarkets article? User:Darren.notley who has a COI with Coles keeps readding images of a store they manage and now using IP's to do so. Bidgee (talk) 12:27, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Tom O'Toole
Mattinbgn, Thank you for the advice on Tom O'Toole bio. I have read your input and will follow your suggestions and begin again with a re-write of the article. May I assume that I have a day or so to write the new sections? I was afraid I was adding to much information throughout the whole of the article. I do understand your direction now and will adhere to it during the new entry. May I ask you to review the new article when it is done? Thank you again for your help. ESMcL (talk) 01:39, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

jamestigger
I would like to discuss with you the information I am trying to upload to this page. The information I am trying to put on is part of the brochure information that is local tourism stuff not soapboxing. How should I present this? This is the information that is created as part of the town visitor information.

Cervantes, Western Australia
One of the drawbacks of having been on wikipedia a long time is that you learn a rule that then over time it changesbut you don't go re-learn it! ("you" in this case meaning "me"). I think that hatnote rule you point too is stupid, in that accidentally winding up at Cervantes, Western Australia, when you menat to go to the author is just the kind of situation where a little help is needed. But so be it! - DavidWBrooks (talk) 23:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Kapunda murders
Good call on the Kapunda murders - I was going to send it to AfD, but the prod is a better idea. Hopefully it sticks. - Bilby (talk) 08:33, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Tumbulgum
The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Kim Hughes
Hello! I've reviewed Hughes here and left some slightly nitpicky points. I just realised it's quite a long list but nothing huge. Nice work. --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, I won't be failing it after a week! Let me know how long you need. --Sarastro1 (talk) 19:54, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

University Oval, Adelaide and Park 12
Hi! Discussion has moved to Talk:University Oval (Park 12), Adelaide Your opinion is solicited. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 09:13, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

YM's talk page
Hello Mattinbgn. Please be aware of the discussion at ANI. There is a set of four proposals on which opinions are being sought. You may wish to participate there. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 17:24, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Locusts
One locust was sighted yesterday in Rosanna, Victoria; probably bigger than all of yours in Berrigan, but I didnt have a camera! Cheers (Crusoe8181 (talk) 11:25, 6 December 2010 (UTC)).
 * Yep, they are on the move south. I spent a good half hour removing them from the front of the car and they will be all back there by this time tomorrow. While this rain is no good for anyone any more (except the Australian cricketers!) a cool change might kill some of the locusts off. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 11:45, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

CFD again
Hi Matt. See this. Jack | talk page 04:57, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep - same old, same old... It seems that the messy reality of the world is to be ignored in favour of the working model version created by the denizens of CfD. As for the talk of "fait accompli" - that's nonsense. There is no reason the subject can't go back to CfD for further discussion if you desire. However, if the categories can remain in Category:Cricket grounds by country then most of the harm is averted. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 06:24, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Michael Beer
Hello! Your submission of Michael Beer at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Nick-D (talk) 10:37, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

(Nudge, nudge)
Any joy on Kim Hughes? I'm expecting someone from GAN to start breathing down my neck any day now! No huge rush, but if you want longer, let me know and I'll stick a note on the review. I appreciate that the state of the Australian team may be hindering your progress, but... :) --Sarastro1 (talk) 23:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Michael Beer
Materialscientist (talk) 06:05, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

ITN for Christmas Island boat disaster
--BorgQueen (talk) 13:18, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Yup
I had offline tried to alert a number on those two - so damned obvious SatuSuro 00:48, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I would have blocked them myself but after the lynch mob dragged down YM, I am more than a little nervous of being BOLD with the admin tools. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 00:59, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * humbug - check my edits SatuSuro 01:06, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * heheh - gday - have a good christmas - good to see you round - btw - could you give it a once over - i suspect i did the format wrong - and some might say it is a redundant exercise SatuSuro 09:37, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, you have added the live socks to a archived case! Clearly socks using WP:DUCK and given recent history I think I am on pretty safe ground to block as a permabanned editor. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 11:53, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * oops - classic silly season edit then - I just thought it would be good for confirmation and checking for others? SatuSuro 12:01, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

DavidYork IP blocks
Hey. Just so you know, I've changed the blocks you set for 124.171.10.48 and 124.169.152.222‎ from indefinite to a month per WP:IPBLOCK. If he uses those IPs again after the block expires then we can make them longer again, but indef on IPs is a bit much. Thanks. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 16:49, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Noted. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 20:09, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Kim Hughes GA
I'd almost forgotten about this, but I really can't keep it open much longer! It's been on hold over a month now and not much is happening. I plan to close this by the end of the week before anyone comes complaining. If any work is done, I can keep it on hold for longer. However, if I do have to fail it, when you have a chance to return to it, let me know and I'll review it immediately so it's not sat in the queue for weeks. --Sarastro1 (talk) 08:01, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That's fine and totally understandable. Thanks for your patience. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 09:09, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, failed it for the moment. Just let me know when you have had time to have a look and if you re-nom, I'll review it again immediately. --Sarastro1 (talk) 23:05, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Interview request
"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject Cricket for an article for The Signpost. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Thanks and I take this opportunity to wish you a very Happy New Year! – SMasters (talk) 07:15, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

please stop vandalising the Benalla wiki page
I lived in Benalla from 1987 until 2006. I happen to know for a fact that Ivan Durrant and Laurence Meikle are real people. I went to Benalla West Primary school and participated in one of Ivans art projects (The Toast Office, sticking toast to the walls of the school) I also was friends with Laurence Meikle throughout primary school.



Why do you insist on deleting information that is true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.30.41.154 (talk • contribs) 10:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)


 * See WP:V and WP:RS. --Born2cycle (talk) 23:08, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Orbost, Victoria
Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made&#32;to Orbost, Victoria: you may already know about them, but you might find Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. --Flyguy33 (talk) 07:09, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry!
I'm so sorry, I think I destroyed some of your intermediate edits. I combined the two, and you were in first so I left you as the nominator.  Night w   03:45, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem at all. Thanks for your help. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 03:49, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Just popping in to say that this is a fantastic idea. I've watchlisted the page, if you don't mind, so I can keep up-to-date with current discussions... Keep up the great work!  Night w   03:01, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It is nice to have someone say something positive about my edits once in a while ... -- Mattinbgn (talk) 07:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Correct and helpful
I have spent a little time in reflection, especially after talking to our newbie. The newbie felt a little slapped, did not feel welcomed, nor felt especially encouraged to continue their contributions, and said to me that they were entitled to use the information. Being correct is part of the sysop role, however, being helpful is another. In isolation looking at that applied template, it is quite abrupt. :-/ billinghurst  sDrewth  09:33, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Black Saturday bushfires talk page and Anon IP
Could you protect the talk page if it hasn't been done already? The Anon IP IP ( and ) keeps adding his POV which also is uncivil and personal attacking (as well as using it as a forum). I'm about to get an hours sleep (if that) as I have a few things to do in the real world. Bidgee (talk) 17:59, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like it needs protecting. Bidgee (talk) 08:18, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Make be blocking the IP may do? Just that they're soap boxing and again. I've found more flood photos, Brissy category is now 150+ photos and the QLD is 60+ with more to be uploaded. Bidgee (talk) 17:01, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Dueling RM's!
Too funny! I can't believe we decided to submit RM proposals for the same article at the same time (a few minutes apart - I apparently took longer to word/reword mine than you!). Note sure what to do now... I'll fix it... --Born2cycle (talk) 03:35, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I saw your linking of the term at WT:NCGN and thought it a little ironic that you were linking to an article that was unnecessarily disambiguated - so I thought I better fix it! -- Mattinbgn (talk) 03:43, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

3RR warning.
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on 2010–2011 Queensland floods. Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular, the three-revert rule states that: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording, and content that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.
 * 1) Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
 * 2) Editors violating the rule will usually be blocked for 24 hours for a first incident.
 * 3) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
 * You have to be joking! The most ridiculous 3RR warning I have seen. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 10:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you think it is helpful to template an new editor on his first few edits? A bit WP:BITEy perhaps? A bit of a look at the actual edits would have seen that they were not constant reversions and re-reversions but changes to different sections of the article that happened to cross. The whole thing was over before you chose to interfere, for no benefit and some possible harm that I can see. Incredible. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 10:57, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I can see how you could come to the conclusion that I was edit warring, but what possessed you to think that the new editor was edit warring? I doubt he even saw any of my reversions. You have quite possibly templated away a new contributor. What a great day's work. You should be proud. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 11:36, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, my first 3RR warning in 4 years of editing. That's going straight to the pool room! -- Mattinbgn (talk) 11:14, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Victoria (state)
Hi, I came to your talk page because you recently voted on Washington (U.S. state)->Washington (state). Now I see you are also a member of WikiProject Australia, so this might be even more interesting for you: Talk:Victoria (Australia). Would like to see your feedback. TopoChecker (talk) 14:29, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Replied and made a proposal: Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names) TopoChecker (talk) 17:51, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Condobolin
Hey mate! I don't like editing userspace without permission, so I thought I'd notify you of my RM of Condobolin, New South Wales here, so you can list it on your subpage yourself. Cheers,  Night w   13:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

NSW floods
I've started to try an create an article on the NSW floods in December and January but one thing I'm hating is the use of LGA's as most of the time the media/Government don't list on the localities/villages/towns/regional cities affected by flooding. I need as much help I can get, as I do think the flooding in NSW is notable and sadly there was on death yesterday in the central west of NSW. I'll be a little busy next week as I'm hoping to get to Canberra to do some photograph which I meant to do last year. Bidgee (talk) 22:39, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Will try and help expand when I get a chance. Have fun photographing. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 01:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Excellent question
Excellent question. Not expecting an answer... --Born2cycle (talk) 01:29, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Nor am I. I did point out earlier what you could expect if you persisted with attempting to overturn WP:NCGN#United States. Still, the RfC process has shown pretty clearly that the argument for mandatory disambiguation is devoid of any serious substance and it now relies merely on brute force of numbers to survive. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 01:09, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors
I saw the quality of your contributions at DYK and clicked on over to your user page and was pretty impressed. Would you be interested in helping with the WP:Online_Ambassadors program? It's really a great opportunity to help university students become Wikipedia contributers. I hope you apply to become an ambassador, Sadads (talk) 00:26, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words but I don't think I would make a good ambassador. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 01:02, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Roberts & the future
Yeah, he said something similar in one of the TV interviews. Personally, I can't see the Army letting him back in the field - he would now be a prime target. Can you imagine the Information Operations impact of his assassination? Did Donaldson ever go back into the field? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:47, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Twice apparently. "But Trooper Donaldson, since promoted to corporal, made it clear to army commanders that he was not happy with a ceremonial or flag-flying role and he wanted to be deployed again. He has since served on at least two lengthy deployments in Afghanistan". All hush-hush until now. His article could probably do with updating. I read somewhere that Roberts-Smith was looking at heading off to Duntroon! -- Mattinbgn (talk) 10:54, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Re Roberts-Smith: Not entirely unexpected - after all, his Dad is a 2 star. And it would reduce the IO/Psyops risk.
 * Re Donaldson: Interesting! a) Thanks. b) Good on him! c) "His article could probably do with updating" - I'd agree with that! d) Hmmm. Very interesting! Obviously, they're doing a good job of managing the risk.
 * Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:29, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Soccer
Simple question - are you from Melbourne, the city where Heart is based, or from any of the other places where Aussie Rules is the dominant winter sport? HiLo48 (talk) 20:25, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * No, you're wrong about usage in Melbourne. I work with and socialise with dozens of people who play and watch soccer. They NEVER call it football. To do so in this city would be daft. Football means only one thing in Melbourne. And I'm not trying to change usage anywhere else. Only in those areas where Aussie Rules is the dominant code, and nothing else ever gets called football. HiLo48 (talk) 20:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Around ten years ago the soccer/football administrators in Sydney decided to rebrand the game in Austrlia. With a lot of hype and glamour they declared that from now on it would be called football all over Australia. Trouble is, no matter what you say, it hasn't worked. Sure, the state associations may have renamed themselves officially. They kind of had to, didn't they? That doesn't change what the masses do. Language doesn't change because of an edict from sports administrators. I will state the reality, plainly and simply, again. In those parts of Australia on the Aussie Rules side of the Barassi Line the round ball game is called soccer, almost always by almost everyone. I heard the coach of Melbourne Victory on radio yesterday calling it soccer. I don't want to change the world, nor the whole of Australia, like our soccer administrators tried to do. Even though it's part of my case I'm not even trying to change articles about other states this side of the Barassi Line. I just want articles to do with Melbourne and Victoria, the places I know really well, to reflect reality. BTW - I'm a sports nut. I like soccer. I don't like people elsewhere telling how to use my language. And what they call Michael Voss, or his game, 20,000 km from where he plays it is irrelevant. This is about what people here call a game played here. HiLo48 (talk) 22:01, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

FA/GA candidacy lists
Thanks. Maybe they are useful.--Grahame (talk) 05:48, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * PS. The photographers on Flickr are the ones to thank, if it wasn't for them we wouldn't have the images! Bidgee (talk) 14:40, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you protect Edge 96.1? As there is a editor using it to advert/soapbox. Bidgee (talk) 07:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)